jethro, just give up and let everyone know you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know what I am talking about. I think you even know what you are talking about and know that to get to the conclusion that you get to you deny facts, you deny morality and you deny your own humanity. Now spock is a sociopath., but from what I can tell, you can still be helped.
One definition of human is a member of the genus Homo and especially of the species homo sapiens. Another is simply of, or belonging to, or typical of mankind.
:: pictures a blob of embryonic human cells. says hello to it. wonders whether in and of itself that blob constitutes a human life. decides that it doesn't. ::
It matters to most people. I can't help it that you don't understand. Even our quasi lunatic crabs understands that. At least that would be the logical conclusion to his rantings about rights.
all I understand is that you didn't answer the question.
Explain why life matters
nowhere in your response is anything that remotely resembles an explanation.
One definition of human is a member of the genus Homo and especially of the species homo sapiens. Another is simply of, or belonging to, or typical of mankind.
:: pictures a blob of embryonic human cells. says hello to it. wonders whether in and of itself that blob constitutes a human life. decides that it doesn't. ::
Everyone goes through that stage so it is typical. I see you are a member of the moron club, too, ares.
It matters to most people. I can't help it that you don't understand. Even our quasi lunatic crabs understands that. At least that would be the logical conclusion to his rantings about rights.
all I understand is that you didn't answer the question. You can't explain why human life is important to sociopaths.Â
Standby. You're on the air. Buenos noches Senores y Senoras. Bienvenidos. La primera pregunta es: Que es mas macho, pineapple o knife? Well, let's see. My guess is that a pineapple is more macho than a knife. Si! Correcto! Pineapple es mas macho que knife.
La segunda pregunta es: Que es mas macho, lightbulb o schoolbus? Uh, lightbulb? No! Lo siento, Schoolbus es mas macho que lightbulb. Gracias. And we'll be back in un momento.
Well I had a dream and in it I went to a little town And all the girls in town were named Betty. And they were singing: Doo doo doo doo doo. Doo doo doo doo doo. Ah desire! It's cold as ice And then it's hot as fire. Ah desire! First it's red And then it's blue. And everytime I see an iceberg It reminds me of you.
Doo doo doo doo doo. Doo doo doo doo doo. Que es mas macho iceberg or volcano?
Get the blanket from the bedroom We can go walking once again. Down in the bayou Where our sweet love first began. I'm thinking back to when I was a child - Way back to when I was a tot. When I was an embryo - A tiny speck. Just a dot. When I was a Hershey bar - In my father's back pocket.
Hey look! Over there! It's Frank Sinatra Sitting in a chair. And he's blowing Perfect smoke rings Up into the air. And he's singing: Smoke makes a staircase for you To descend. So rare. Ah desire! Ah desire! Ah desire! So random So rare And everytime I see those smoke rings I think you're there. Que es mas macho staircase o smoke rings?
Get the blanket from the bedroom We can go walking once again. Down in the boondocks Where our sweet love first began. Ooo I'm gonna follow you. Out in the swamps and into town. Down under the boardwalk Track you down.
Look I don't have time to go over all the literature regarding why human life is important. You know it is out there and you know what it is. It should be a given in every debate. If we can even start with the premise that human life is important let's just drop the big one today.
The columnist who sent me that link also asked “what do you think about Planned Parenthood selling t-shirts that celebrate abortion?” Well, here’s what I think:
I think that the notion that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” was never really the position of Al Gore, the Democrats, or Planned Parenthood.
the part where you can't even explain why the premise is. I can but it takes time. You know what it is so why should I waste my time?
how about we just assume the premise that a human life isn't a human life until it's been born? Morally challenged people like you do. Why don't you just admit that you want to fuck around without having to worry about responsibility?
okay with you? You have just offered proof that we should drop the big one.
then you celebrate abortion all the time...you do more to make it widely known than most people I know of. I try to make it widely known that it is immoral and legalized murder.
THX celebrates it with this thread. No he doesn't but your postings do.
somehow I don't think that was your meaning, however.
At least we all know that you know you are dishonest.
you can't. I know you can't...you are making excuses. You are one dishonest SOB. It has been done by so many people better than I can.
I've never been responsible for an abortion happening. No. We know it is always the woman's fault. Way to step up to the plate and be a man.
better implies that you can at all...and so far you haven't even attempted to explain it. And I am not going to becuase it would be a waste of my time. You already know the answer and you don't care.  But I will tell you this if human life has no value then just shoot the pregnant woman becuase who the hell cares!
what's the woman's fault?The abortion. You said it was the woman's fault not yours.
Lions deliberatelykill the cubs of other males to bring lionesses to heat once more. And isn't that just wonderful! Did you know humans aren't lions?
Is is the choiceof the womanwhether to sustain or abort a foetus.
Ted Bundy and Jeff Dahmer made a choice, too. I suppose you approve of those choices. They simply made a decision that certain people shouldn't live. Hey, and after all, in your world, human life doesn't matter, so what's the big deal. Some logic there, jackass. Certainly human life doesn't matter if nothingmatters.
And the consequence of such choices are what is technically called plannedparenthood. Semantics. I call it butchering. I think my word is much more accurate. Your words hid the truth.
The question was fairly simple,- WHY does it matter ? If it doesn't matter, someone might as well blow your brains out. Would that matter to you? Human life doesn't matter if nothing matters. But then your "logic" wouldn't matter either.
Hiding behind the fuzzy cliche of "it matters to most people" only serves to expose your puny intellect. Trying to overcome your inferiority complex, I see. Why bother? Why try to make yourself feel better? Why don't you just end it all? After all it doesn't matter. Hell human life is meaningless so just end yours. Maybe the next configuration of cells will be more pleasing.
I don't need to live.
Neither does a "foetus". You don't need to live either. You are one sick dude, mentally ill, no doubt. So why don't you do the world a favor and off yourself? Â
That's a deliberate choiceyou make, despite there being - in your own honest admission -NOnecessity for you to live.
There is no necessity for you to live. And in your case the world would be better of if you weren't
How does that compare with the choiceto sustain or abort , there logically being no need for the foetus to live? :) Do you think that is logical? Just because there is no necessity to live doesn't make it right to butcher an innocent helpless child. Damn you are one sick SOB. There is right and there is wrong. You apparently can't grasp that. Sociopaths can't. People can't live together without recognizing there is right and wrong.  And of course, killing for one's own selfish desires is wrong. But of course, in your world, life isn't important but selfishness and butchery are.
Only an idiot or an eight year old would think so. It is easy to justify anything by ignoring certain facts. Children do that. When you grow up, you might understand. But in your case, I doubt it.
But think about some of the slogans kids encounter: "Just do it." Why wait?" "Obey your thirst." "No boundaries." "Got the urge?" In other words, be selfish, instantly gratify yourself, regardless of the consequences. And remember, "He who dies with the most toys wins."
Apparently spock learned well. Nothing matters but what he wants and f*** everybody else. Apparently his parents didn't give a damn about him or her or they would have taught him or her better. But they were probably too drunk or busy shooting something up their arms to give a damn about what he was doing. Maybe one of them was sexually abusing him. Wouldn't be surprising. A lot of sociopaths start out that way. But what the hell it is only human life, it doesn't matter. If they want to all those things, so what? I mean he was their kid they should be able to do what they want when they want.
Lions sure haven't learned to use the Coriolis Force to flush their poop with 1.6 gallons of water.
Neither have they learned to rearrange a few existing molecules in Nature to make "machines".
However, lions eat, sleep, mate, reproduce and breastfeed just like humans.
And they are born, grow, become old, get sick/injured and die, just like humans.
What makes them different from humans ? The "Bible" ?
Certainly human life doesn't matter if nothingmatters.
Your frustration at being unableto counter logic is understandable.
Make a logicaland scientific case for your Biblical nonsense, if you can.
I call itbutchering. I thinkmy word is much more accurate.
We certainly are aware of your personalviews.
What matters is if those are objectively rational.
So far, allyou have demonstrated in your posts is a penchant for profanities instead of reason.
Understandable.
If it doesn't matter, someone might as well blow your brains out.
Certainly.
Which is why they blew the brains out of a lot of complex Hydrocarbon molecules - both among living and extinct species -Â and yet the Universe is unaffected.
Just because there is no necessityto live doesn't make it right to butcher an innocent helpless child.
Think logically.
By your own admission, there is nological need to live.
Occam's Razor Test in Logic and Science shows that redundantoptions are dispensable.
And "life" of an unwantedfoetus is redundant, and hence dispensable through Abortion.
Appeals to Crocodile tears of "compassion" and "morality" doesn't cut ice in a logical discourse.
Certainly human life doesn't matter if nothingmatters.
Your frustration at being unableto counter logic is understandable.
Not as much frustration as having your father put it up your ass, spock. It is okay we all think that was wrong here. You have nothing to be ashamed of. But I can't expect someone that has lived such a horrible life as yourself to believe that anything matters. But it isÂ
quite logical to say if nothing matters then life doesn't matter. But first you have to buy into the premise that nothing matters. Mentally healthy people don't.
Make a logicaland scientific case for your Biblical nonsense, if you can.
Since I haven't cited anything Biblical you statement is senseless. But why does it matter? If life doesn't matter, logic and science can't matter either. I mean, how is it that we can even consider logic or matter without life? You can't. Without life you one can't think. Again you loose.
So far, allyou have demonstrated in your posts is a penchant for profanities instead of reason. You obviously can't comprehend reason if you actually believe that what I have written is not based on reason.
If it doesn't matter, someone might as well blow your brains out.
Certainly.
Then be my guest.
Which is why they blew the brains out of a lot of complex Hydrocarbon molecules - both among living and extinct species -Â and yet the Universe is unaffected. Then do it. Go ahead, do it. But you won't because you know how much of a liar you are.
Just because there is no necessityto live doesn't make it right to butcher an innocent helpless child.
Think logically.
By your own admission, there is nological need to live.
But people do want to live so there is something out there besides what you call logic. Let me tell you it is much more powerful than your warped mind. You need to think logically and read. I said it wasn't right.
And "life" of an unwantedfoetus is redundant, and hence dispensable through Abortion. Now that isn't logical. Just because something is redundant doesn't mean it should be discarded. I mean these boards have crabs so that makes you redundant, should we abort you?
The child may be unwanted by its mother but the child is still innocent and does not deserve to be butchered?
Appeals to Crocodile tears of "compassion" and "morality" doesn't cut ice in a logical discourse.
You are incapable of logical discourse. You world view is nothing matters. So logic doesn't matter and neither does discourse. Post traumatic stress may be the cause of that. And unassuagble shame.
jethro, just give up and let everyone know you have no idea what you are talking about.
I know what I am talking about. I think you even know what you are talking about and know that to get to the conclusion that you get to you deny facts, you deny morality and you deny your own humanity. Now spock is a sociopath., but from what I can tell, you can still be helped.
Spock has logically brow beaten you.
I feel bad watching you endure such a merciless ass beating
One definition of human is a member of the genus Homo and especially of the species homo sapiens. Another is simply of, or belonging to, or typical of mankind.
:: pictures a blob of embryonic human cells. says hello to it. wonders whether in and of itself that blob constitutes a human life. decides that it doesn't. ::
all I understand is that you didn't answer the question.
nowhere in your response is anything that remotely resembles an explanation.
Spock has logically brow beaten you. only someone living in a fantasy world can believe that.
I feel bad watching you endure such a merciless ass beating. I feel sorry for you for being such a moron.
One definition of human is a member of the genus Homo and especially of the species homo sapiens. Another is simply of, or belonging to, or typical of mankind.
:: pictures a blob of embryonic human cells. says hello to it. wonders whether in and of itself that blob constitutes a human life. decides that it doesn't. ::
Everyone goes through that stage so it is typical. I see you are a member of the moron club, too, ares.
all I understand is that you didn't answer the question. You can't explain why human life is important to sociopaths.Â
Standby. You're on the air.
Buenos noches Senores y Senoras. Bienvenidos.
La primera pregunta es: Que es mas macho,
pineapple o knife?
Well, let's see.
My guess is that a pineapple is more
macho than a knife.
Si! Correcto!
Pineapple es mas macho que knife.
La segunda pregunta es: Que es mas macho,
lightbulb o schoolbus?
Uh, lightbulb?
No! Lo siento, Schoolbus es mas macho que lightbulb.
Gracias. And we'll be back in un momento.
Well I had a dream and in it
I went to a little town
And all the girls in town were named
Betty.
And they were singing:
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Ah desire! It's cold as ice
And then it's hot as fire.
Ah desire! First it's red
And then it's blue.
And everytime I see an iceberg
It reminds me of you.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Que es mas macho iceberg or volcano?
Get the blanket from the bedroom
We can go walking once again.
Down in the bayou
Where our sweet love first began.
I'm thinking back to when I was a child -
Way back to when I was a tot.
When I was an embryo -
A tiny speck. Just a dot.
When I was a Hershey bar -
In my father's back pocket.
Hey look! Over there! It's Frank Sinatra
Sitting in a chair. And he's blowing
Perfect smoke rings
Up into the air. And he's singing:
Smoke makes a staircase for you
To descend. So rare.
Ah desire!
Ah desire!
Ah desire! So random So rare
And everytime I see those smoke rings
I think you're there.
Que es mas macho staircase o smoke rings?
Get the blanket from the bedroom
We can go walking once again.
Down in the boondocks
Where our sweet love first began.
Ooo I'm gonna follow you.
Out in the swamps and into town.
Down under the boardwalk
Track you down.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
Doo doo doo doo doo.
it isn't important to sociopaths.
explain why it's important.
Be sure to get yours today and wear it proudly!
is that all life or just some life?
and where does the food chain fit into all of this?
how many women are posting here?
explain why it's important.Â
Look I don't have time to go over all the literature regarding why human life is important. You know it is out there and you know what it is. It should be a given in every debate. If we can even start with the premise that human life is important let's just drop the big one today.
I couldn't find any that said 'I was an abortion'. There are many on my Christmas list that I could give those to.
The columnist who sent me that link also asked “what do you think about Planned Parenthood selling t-shirts that celebrate abortion?” Well, here’s what I think:
I think that the notion that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” was never really the position of Al Gore, the Democrats, or Planned Parenthood.
 http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20040727.shtml
no one is asking for you to explain why someone else says it's important. Can't you just explain it for yourself? In your own words?
crabs and spock should wear a t-shirt that says: Abortion? Kill it I don't care!
Can't you just explain it for yourself? In your own words?
What part of "If we can even start with the premise that human life is important let's just drop the big one today," didn't you understand?
where do you get "celebrate"?
it's a pretty neutral statement of fact.
there is no "celebration" or judgement one way or the other in the statement "I had an abortion"
the part where you can't even explain why the premise is true in the first place.
how about we just assume the premise that a human life isn't a human life until it's been born?
no explanation...it's the starting premise for any discussion.
okay with you?
If you advertise it then you celebrate it. Definition of celebrate: "To make widely known; display"
the part where you can't even explain why the premise is. I can but it takes time. You know what it is so why should I waste my time?
how about we just assume the premise that a human life isn't a human life until it's been born? Morally challenged people like you do. Why don't you just admit that you want to fuck around without having to worry about responsibility?
okay with you? You have just offered proof that we should drop the big one.
then you celebrate abortion all the time...you do more to make it widely known than most people I know of.
THX celebrates it with this thread.
somehow I don't think that was your meaning, however.
you can't. I know you can't...you are making excuses.
because that isn't true.
I've never been responsible for an abortion happening.
then you celebrate abortion all the time...you do more to make it widely known than most people I know of. I try to make it widely known that it is immoral and legalized murder.
THX celebrates it with this thread. No he doesn't but your postings do.
somehow I don't think that was your meaning, however.
At least we all know that you know you are dishonest.
you can't. I know you can't...you are making excuses. You are one dishonest SOB. It has been done by so many people better than I can.
I've never been responsible for an abortion happening. No. We know it is always the woman's fault. Way to step up to the plate and be a man.
better implies that you can at all...and so far you haven't even attempted to explain it.
what's the woman's fault?
I've never caused any woman to have to choose if they should abort a pregnancy or not.
How many women have YOU impregnated?
better implies that you can at all...and so far you haven't even attempted to explain it. And I am not going to becuase it would be a waste of my time. You already know the answer and you don't care.  But I will tell you this if human life has no value then just shoot the pregnant woman becuase who the hell cares!
what's the woman's fault?The abortion. You said it was the woman's fault not yours.
what abortion?
what woman?
what fault?
I never said it was any woman's fault because there was nothing for there to be a fault with. I have never caused any woman to choose an abortion.
I never said it was any woman's fault
Yes you did. You said: "I've never been responsible for an abortion happening."
Nice
and this translates to the woman's fault?
what woman would that be, bodine?
I didn't fault anyone.
What's your stance on stem cell research, Jethro?
Good that you understand the fundamental point.
In other words, their actions are a part of "natural" phenomena too.
Deliberationisa Natural phenomenon, in case that too slips your mind.
Lions deliberatelykill the cubs of other males to bring lionesses to heat once more.
Is thatnatural, or not ?
Correct.
Is is the choiceof the womanwhether to sustain or abort a foetus.
And the consequence of such choices are what is technically called plannedparenthood.
Lest you forget, Logic is nota tyranny of the majority.
The question was fairly simple,- WHY does it matter ?
If you don'tknow the answer, say so.
Hiding behind the fuzzy cliche of "it matters to most people" only serves to expose your puny intellect.
Attaboy!
Neither does a "foetus".
Thanks for playing.
That's a deliberate
choiceyou make, despite there being - in your own honest admission -NOnecessity for you to live.
How does that compare with the choiceto sustain or abort , there logically being no need for the foetus to live? :)
Thanks for playing!
Lions deliberatelykill the cubs of other males to bring lionesses to heat once more. And isn't that just wonderful! Did you know humans aren't lions?
Is is the choiceof the womanwhether to sustain or abort a foetus.
Ted Bundy and Jeff Dahmer made a choice, too. I suppose you approve of those choices. They simply made a decision that certain people shouldn't live. Hey, and after all, in your world, human life doesn't matter, so what's the big deal. Some logic there, jackass. Certainly human life doesn't matter if nothingmatters.
And the consequence of such choices are what is technically called plannedparenthood. Semantics. I call it butchering. I think my word is much more accurate. Your words hid the truth.
The question was fairly simple,- WHY does it matter ? If it doesn't matter, someone might as well blow your brains out. Would that matter to you? Human life doesn't matter if nothing matters. But then your "logic" wouldn't matter either.
Hiding behind the fuzzy cliche of "it matters to most people" only serves to expose your puny intellect. Trying to overcome your inferiority complex, I see. Why bother? Why try to make yourself feel better? Why don't you just end it all? After all it doesn't matter. Hell human life is meaningless so just end yours. Maybe the next configuration of cells will be more pleasing.
Neither does a "foetus". You don't need to live either. You are one sick dude, mentally ill, no doubt. So why don't you do the world a favor and off yourself? Â
That's a deliberate
choiceyou make, despite there being - in your own honest admission -NOnecessity for you to live.
There is no necessity for you to live. And in your case the world would be better of if you weren't
How does that compare with the choiceto sustain or abort , there logically being no need for the foetus to live? :) Do you think that is logical? Just because there is no necessity to live doesn't make it right to butcher an innocent helpless child. Damn you are one sick SOB. There is right and there is wrong. You apparently can't grasp that. Sociopaths can't. People can't live together without recognizing there is right and wrong.  And of course, killing for one's own selfish desires is wrong. But of course, in your world, life isn't important but selfishness and butchery are.
you are so owned
you are so owned
Only an idiot or an eight year old would think so. It is easy to justify anything by ignoring certain facts. Children do that. When you grow up, you might understand. But in your case, I doubt it.
But think about some of the slogans kids encounter: "Just do it." Why wait?" "Obey your thirst." "No boundaries." "Got the urge?" In other words, be selfish, instantly gratify yourself, regardless of the consequences. And remember, "He who dies with the most toys wins."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/rh20040728.shtml
Apparently spock learned well. Nothing matters but what he wants and f*** everybody else. Apparently his parents didn't give a damn about him or her or they would have taught him or her better. But they were probably too drunk or busy shooting something up their arms to give a damn about what he was doing. Maybe one of them was sexually abusing him. Wouldn't be surprising. A lot of sociopaths start out that way. But what the hell it is only human life, it doesn't matter. If they want to all those things, so what? I mean he was their kid they should be able to do what they want when they want.
Lions sure haven't learned to use the Coriolis Force to flush their poop with 1.6 gallons of water.
Neither have they learned to rearrange a few existing molecules in Nature to make "machines".
However, lions eat, sleep, mate, reproduce and breastfeed just like humans.
And they are born, grow, become old, get sick/injured and die, just like humans.
What makes them different from humans ? The "Bible" ?
Your frustration at being unableto counter logic is understandable.
Make a logicaland scientific case for your Biblical nonsense, if you can.
We certainly are aware of your personalviews.
What matters is if those are objectively rational.
So far, allyou have demonstrated in your posts is a penchant for profanities instead of reason.
Understandable.
Certainly.
Which is why they blew the brains out of a lot of complex Hydrocarbon molecules - both among living and extinct species -Â and yet the Universe is unaffected.
Think logically.
By your own admission, there is nological need to live.
Occam's Razor Test in Logic and Science shows that redundantoptions are dispensable.
And "life" of an unwantedfoetus is redundant, and hence dispensable through Abortion.
Appeals to Crocodile tears of "compassion" and "morality" doesn't cut ice in a logical discourse.
Thanks for playing.
spock, the best addition to this board since myself.
you rule spock!
You guys are fucking nuts.
nice logic there!
nice logic there!
You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in your ass, Demon.
Demon, did your parents ignore or abuse you, too?
Â
The insane don't know they're insane.
What makes them different from humans ? The "Bible" ? The answer is genetics. You lose. Now get you ass off the stage.
I know way more about the science of logic tha you know about biblical rhetoric, god boy
Your frustration at being unableto counter logic is understandable.
Not as much frustration as having your father put it up your ass, spock. It is okay we all think that was wrong here. You have nothing to be ashamed of. But I can't expect someone that has lived such a horrible life as yourself to believe that anything matters. But it isÂ
quite logical to say if nothing matters then life doesn't matter. But first you have to buy into the premise that nothing matters. Mentally healthy people don't.
Make a logicaland scientific case for your Biblical nonsense, if you can.
Since I haven't cited anything Biblical you statement is senseless. But why does it matter? If life doesn't matter, logic and science can't matter either. I mean, how is it that we can even consider logic or matter without life? You can't. Without life you one can't think. Again you loose.
So far, allyou have demonstrated in your posts is a penchant for profanities instead of reason. You obviously can't comprehend reason if you actually believe that what I have written is not based on reason.
Certainly.
Then be my guest.
Which is why they blew the brains out of a lot of complex Hydrocarbon molecules - both among living and extinct species -Â and yet the Universe is unaffected. Then do it. Go ahead, do it. But you won't because you know how much of a liar you are.
Think logically.
By your own admission, there is nological need to live.
But people do want to live so there is something out there besides what you call logic. Let me tell you it is much more powerful than your warped mind. You need to think logically and read. I said it wasn't right.
And "life" of an unwantedfoetus is redundant, and hence dispensable through Abortion. Now that isn't logical. Just because something is redundant doesn't mean it should be discarded. I mean these boards have crabs so that makes you redundant, should we abort you?
The child may be unwanted by its mother but the child is still innocent and does not deserve to be butchered?
Appeals to Crocodile tears of "compassion" and "morality" doesn't cut ice in a logical discourse.
You are incapable of logical discourse. You world view is nothing matters. So logic doesn't matter and neither does discourse. Post traumatic stress may be the cause of that. And unassuagble shame.
The insane don't know they're insane.
That is true. Spock does not know he is insane. The question is, is demon insane, too?