Without prejudicial foreclosure of an opening that may be the last chance to avert what could ultimately result in WWIII, the international community needs to quickly accept Iraq's offer to allow UN weapons inspectors within its borders.
Send them in.
Find weapons of mass destruction, or not.
Before doing anything rash or unduly provocative that could wind up pushing everyone over the precipice, the world needs to learn who the real liar concerning Iraq's "threat" really is.
Among world leaders, I feel this AP-quoted response reflects a correct attitude:
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who has been outspoken in his opposition to military action against Iraq, said Baghdad's offer was "very welcome."
"This was always our aim, to get the weapons inspectors back in, we always considered any other aim to be wrong," Schroeder told ZDF television.
Are the newspapers in your community filled with anti-war letters to the editor?
Not a day goes by here without at least a couple excellent missives from thoughtful citizens.
Two examples:
LET BUSH LEAD CHARGE INTO IRAQ
George W. Bush seems awfully anxious to make war with Iraq. And "anxious" is the word. There is something eerily Freudian about this president's desire to kill Saddam Hussein. If he eliminates Iraq's ruler, Bush the Younger will rescue Bush the Elder from the accusations of those right-wing critics who claim that Bush Sr. failed to finish the Gulf War.
But here's the psychological bonus: Not only would Junior rescue his father, he would also surpass him as a warrior and so make his own name -- or at least his middle initial.
W., however, plans to push rather than lead us into war. Our sons and daughters and innocent Iraqis will do the actual bleeding and dying while the president courageously mans the phone and watches TV. But W. knows how to fly, having obtained a commission in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. So why shouldn't the president lead the attack against Iraq in person? As I recall, his record from those years reveals that he still owes the U.S. several flights because he frequently failed to report for duty. Perhaps the rest of us could stay home and watch TV while Bush and Saddam conduct their own aerial dogfight. This dispute feels like a feud between families anyway. Let them keep it really personal, and we can award the winner a lifetime supply of crude oil.
--BARTON SUTTER, DULUTH
NEGOTIATE BEFORE ATTACKING IRAQ
Each day I hear and read about the threat that Iraq poses for the United States. If we begin a unilateral war with Iraq, we are the ones who pose the threat. We have weapons of mass murder, and this administration has indicated that their use is in line with our so-called war on terrorism.
If we think that the fact that Iraq might someday have nuclear weapons is justification for a pre-emptive strike, why wouldn't other countries think they could or should attack their neighbors (Pakistan-India) because they already have nuclear weapons? Wouldn't a response by Saddam Hussein to an American attack be a greater threat to Israel and our forces?
We should not ignore the development of all weapons by Saddam, but war is not the answer. We should seek negotiations through the United Nations. We also need our allies, and this kind of strike threatens our relations with them. This is an election year and we need to let our Congress members know that a war with Iraq is not a smart move and to object is not unpatriotic.
I've told a couple right-wingers that there are other countries where the tax burden is far less, and, with their income of Yankee dollars they could live in a fine home with servants.
They could also arm themselves to the teeth.
The infrastructure may not be everything they want; but what difference should that make to someone who wants to be free to be a rugged individual?
I see what you are getting at as well and I have said the same things to others. The only time I believe I have said it is to people who live here and in the year that I have been posting haven't posted ONE positive thing about where they live. Sure everyone has complaints and this place isn't perfect. But when it's almost to a level of hatred I say then why live here if it's so bad ? There is a point when it's just piling on and repetitive attacks on a nation you have the choice and privelege to live in. And from reading their posts lead me to believe that they think this is the worst damn place on earth. I get tired of it frankly.
I gotta think that's mostly just to get a rise out of people.
I don't go in for all that flag-waving, hoo-rah, stuff either. Mainly because ostentatious displays of national pride or religious faith aren't my style.
But I don't know how you can't love your home. Even a nuthouse like this.
Agreed, everyone shows their pride differently. I have put my flag up everyday and was doing it years before 9-11. Some choose not to, that's fine. Doesn't matter to me. It's a personal thing to me much like music.
But I don't know how you can't love your home. Even a nuthouse like this.
I don't know either. And those are the exact people I that I tell that they are free to move. I lived down off 7th and Arcade for a while, I didn't like it, it was a bad area. I moved instead of bitching for years what a horrible place it was and doing nothing about it. It's a free country and I'm sure their would be many that would gladly trade places with those that hate it so much.
I never like Springfield much either. I can't say that I was much impressed with St. Louis or Kansas City. It may be because I like rural areas much better.
Ever been to Arkansas? I moved from Flippin (home of Ranger bass boats). Spent time in Harrison and Bull Shoals as well. Still have some relatives on Bull Shoals Lake near Mtn. Home. Very pretty area to visit, but hard to make a living.
Sorry off topic. Reminds me though of this little bar that used to be near Motley MN. It was called the "Frikken bar" I could just imagine some guys wife complaining to her friends how he was always down at the frikken bar.
That is where all those towns are. Harrison is straight south of Branson just a little ways into Arkansas.The rest are a little ways east of Harrison. South of Flippin is Cotter, AR, where the infamous Whitewater is located.
Are you going to allow YOUR family members to kill and possibly be killed in a needless, illegal, aggressive war on the basis of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's CLAIMS?
Do you really TRUST those guys more than you love your kin?
Do I trust Bush & Cheney? No more than I trust any politician.
That being said, it's common knowledge what sort of person & leader Saddam is. Remember, this is the same guy that gives $25,000 cash to suicide bombers families. This is the same guy that used chemical weapons on his own people. This is the same guy that has his own family members killed.......
I sure love to see those who defend this still COMMON practice---Bill
Honor killing is not common in Pakistan, But these incidents do occur in remote tribal areas of Pakistan. in honor killing a man kill his relative women if she had illegal sex (sex without merriage) with someone else and most of the time accused man is also killed. sex without merriage is a crime according to islamic laws and there are defined punishment for this crime BUT laws does not allow individual to take the law on his hand and take decision to punish someone by himself. its the duty of state and judiciary not individual! if someone does this its called murder and punished by the courts according to laws.
The incident you are mentioning did happen BUT all culprits of that case were cought and punished by the court including all those area Council of Elders.
if a man says that he killed his wife after having a dream that she betrayed him it means he is mentally sick and retarded. there are relexation on punishment for mentally sick people.
Amnesty Int. and other human right organizations does not give the right pic. they show the things more horrible not for the interest of people but for their own interests :-)
I wonder how many people emmigrate to Pakistan each year?--Bill
Pakistan is not a country formmed by the immigrants from throughout the world like US we have our own culture, values and history having roots in thousands of years and we are proud of it. Pakistan doesn't allow immigrants offcourse there are lots of illegal immigrants from Central asian republic, south asia, China and middle east.
A MAN would honor her, by being an honorable and loving husband.--bill
you are right and thats why most of the man in our society are honorable and loving husbands of their wives. they spent the whole life with their wives. they give protection , respect, social and financial support to them and most of the time man alone bear the whole financial burden b'coz he think its his duty to feed his wife and children and fullfill their daily requirments. in our society a women is not respectable b'coz how much she earns BUT b'coz God gave her responsibility to give birth and bring up human and its a great and honorable responsibility for a woman thats why in our society men are required to fullfill the financial and social needs of his womam so that she can concentrate on bringing up her children and create valuable members of society.
In your society women are treated as toilet tissue paper. man use them and then throw them away. they marry with a women spent 4 to 5 years, breed some children and leave women with chidren. they don't provide financial and social support to them instead they force women to go out leaving her children and earn money. Now she has double burden one is to bring up her children and second is to earn money too. I read a story in news papers that a woman in US killed her 4 little children from age 7 years to 6 months b'coz her new boyfriend refused to accept them and she had left no choice but to kill them herself. I also read a story about a 5 years old girl who was rapped and then killed by some men in your society they threw her naked deadbody on a road and all these incidents did not happen in remote corners of US BUT in the big, hightech and prosperious cities of your country. these are just two incidents which could be exposed by the media and there must be a lot of incidents like this!
We may have more divorce, maybe that's due to the fact that women can actually leave their husbands in this country. They don't have to stay in shitty marriages.
Sure, we've got our problems but "honor" rapes, mutilation & burnings aren't among them.
We may have more divorce, maybe that's due to the fact that women can actually leave their husbands in this country. They don't have to stay in shitty marriages.
Maybe it is due to women and men that have no concept of commitment and will chase anything they get the hots for.
According to George W. Bush, the United Nations must decide to authorize a war with Iraq or risk becoming irrelevant by not living up to its purpose. Bush argues that the U.S. will then have to act alone in going to war with Iraq. According to Article 1 of the U.N. Charter, however, the purpose of the UN is "to maintain international peace."
It seems the Bush administration is saying that only one decision will be accepted from the U.N., that of war, and that the contrary decision, to fulfill its purpose of maintaining the peace, is not really a decision after all but, rather, inaction.
Bush seems to think that the only way the U.N. can "maintain international peace" is by going to war! Another George, George Orwell, wrote in his novel "1984" that a tenet of his fictional totalitarian party was "war is peace." Let's hope that such a tenet remains fiction.
HE IS A bloody dictator and a hard-core racist. He clings to power with undisguised brutality, rigging elections and arranging for opposition candidates to be kidnapped, beaten - even killed. He has made criticism of himself a crime and deploys squads of armed goons to terrorize his political foes. He is engaged in a campaign of naked ''ethnic cleansing,'' scapegoating racial minorities as ''enemies of the state'' and driving them from their land. His policies have shattered the economy, leaving more than half the work force unemployed. He uses food as a weapon so ruthlessly that in a country that was once a breadbasket to its neighbors, the specter of mass starvation looms. Â Â
"...Peace, presumably, with Arafat and Hussein. But how much                     peace will Arafat and Hussein get, or have in their gift? Can                     anyone suppose that all, or almost all, of the PLO would go                     along with that deal, or any deal? The deal would likely be                     denounced, with the usual vehemence, both by the left-wing                     factions of the PLO and by the Syrian-controlled factions, and                     all those factions might well gain new adherents, through further                     defections from Arafat's Fatah. Syria, orchestrating its PLO                     factions with its usual ruthless skill, would be likely to make life                     very hot (by the methods it has successfully used in Lebanon)                     on the West Bank......."
I've been following what's been going on in Zimbabwe because I was there three years ago. It's an incredible place and what's happening is just a tragedy.
If famine goes on in the face of such agricultural prosperity it has to be laid right at Mugabe's feet. He was supposed to be a liberator. Now, it looks like he plans on starving people as he solidifies his faltering power base. The currency is practically worthless and the country is in chaos.
Sure, the Brit expats are arrogant. But that doesn't justifty outright theft. And that's what's taking place on their farms. Their families have a century invested in that land. Ask them, and they'll tell you, they're Africans, too.
You want to talk about State Terrorism, Dennis? -- Zimbabwe. There's your state terrorism.
There could have been a way to work this out short of what's taking place now.
"GAZA STRIP/WEST BANK (PC) - Palestinian resistance fighters blew up two Israeli army tanks in the southern Gaza Strip, and a third in Jabalia. Meanwhile, the Israeli army has reportedly fenced a building in which the Palestinian President is held hostage, destroying the rest of the Ramallah headquarters. "
We have an unnamed corrspondent with a lot of big talk.
Being held "hostage" seems to mean there are some demands for ransom. I don't think there are. The Isrealis are probably making the demands.
Like "stop blowing up innocent Israelis and we won't send tanks into Southern Gaza."
Did I put my foot on the tail of a doggy! Or have I shown mirror to a beast :-))
In MY society, I have been married for 25 years, and all of the men in my family(brothers) have been married once. --bill
in your society, a man rarely marry for 25 years and mostly during that period enjoys 50 other 'Girl Friends' means 2 girlfriends per year :-) more then half of them become pragnent most of the men don't know how many illiegal children they have throughout the country :-) and those 'girlfriends' must be bearing the whole burden of those children bred by their non-married boyfriends and who left them after using those women. I read an article revealing that the no. of single parent children are increasing in US and most of the single parents are women, is this a kind of protection, support and honor you give your women!!!??? Another article revealed that 15% of American girls less then 15 years become pragnent having no identification of the father of the baby she is carrying. A girl who is less then 15 yrs have no idea about sex or being pragnent that mean she must have been forced or misleaded by a man who wanted to give 'honor' to that innocent girl :-)
In your society women are just disposable sex machine you use them and then throw them away.
A Woman only take divorce when her husband don't give her respect, honor, protection and support and large number of divorce in your society only shows that women are deprived of all these things it does not mean they have right to pursue their OWN interests.
I don't think Saddam will be around by the next election Bill :) Well at least I hope not.
Without prejudicial foreclosure of an opening that may be the last chance to avert what could ultimately result in WWIII, the international community needs to quickly accept Iraq's offer to allow UN weapons inspectors within its borders.
Send them in.
Find weapons of mass destruction, or not.
Before doing anything rash or unduly provocative that could wind up pushing everyone over the precipice, the world needs to learn who the real liar concerning Iraq's "threat" really is.
Saddam or Dubya.
Among world leaders, I feel this AP-quoted response reflects a correct attitude:
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who has been outspoken in his opposition to military action against Iraq, said Baghdad's offer was "very welcome."
"This was always our aim, to get the weapons inspectors back in, we always considered any other aim to be wrong," Schroeder told ZDF television.
Why should we go down the same road that we have been down before and has been proven not to work?
Are the newspapers in your community filled with anti-war letters to the editor?
Not a day goes by here without at least a couple excellent missives from thoughtful citizens.
Two examples:
LET BUSH LEAD CHARGE INTO IRAQ
George W. Bush seems awfully anxious to make war with Iraq. And "anxious" is the word. There is something eerily Freudian about this president's desire to kill Saddam Hussein. If he eliminates Iraq's ruler, Bush the Younger will rescue Bush the Elder from the accusations of those right-wing critics who claim that Bush Sr. failed to finish the Gulf War.
But here's the psychological bonus: Not only would Junior rescue his father, he would also surpass him as a warrior and so make his own name -- or at least his middle initial.
W., however, plans to push rather than lead us into war. Our sons and daughters and innocent Iraqis will do the actual bleeding and dying while the president courageously mans the phone and watches TV. But W. knows how to fly, having obtained a commission in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. So why shouldn't the president lead the attack against Iraq in person? As I recall, his record from those years reveals that he still owes the U.S. several flights because he frequently failed to report for duty. Perhaps the rest of us could stay home and watch TV while Bush and Saddam conduct their own aerial dogfight. This dispute feels like a feud between families anyway. Let them keep it really personal, and we can award the winner a lifetime supply of crude oil.
--BARTON SUTTER, DULUTH
NEGOTIATE BEFORE ATTACKING IRAQ
Each day I hear and read about the threat that Iraq poses for the United States. If we begin a unilateral war with Iraq, we are the ones who pose the threat. We have weapons of mass murder, and this administration has indicated that their use is in line with our so-called war on terrorism.
If we think that the fact that Iraq might someday have nuclear weapons is justification for a pre-emptive strike, why wouldn't other countries think they could or should attack their neighbors (Pakistan-India) because they already have nuclear weapons? Wouldn't a response by Saddam Hussein to an American attack be a greater threat to Israel and our forces?
We should not ignore the development of all weapons by Saddam, but war is not the answer. We should seek negotiations through the United Nations. We also need our allies, and this kind of strike threatens our relations with them. This is an election year and we need to let our Congress members know that a war with Iraq is not a smart move and to object is not unpatriotic.
--GAY TRACHSEL, DULUTH
We need to lead and stop being cowardly. Our "allies" will fall in line when they know we are serious.
"Are the newspapers in your community filled with anti-war letters to the editor?"
Oftentimes letters to the editor are part of organized efforts. Letter to the editor campaigns from various groups.
Among the nastiest I've read lately are the ones to the Star Tribune about their September 11 editorial.
They have a smiilar theme that's quite consistent. Leads me to believe there's some group at work:
You hate Bush.
You hate America.
Letters to the Editor have become a game,. and many times the people are hardly speaking as individuals.
http://athena.tbwt.com/content/article.asp?articleid=1547
No "Morals" -- With Iraq, U.S. Has Never Held High Ground...
Anyone care to join me in financing Dennis's move to Iraq?
Love it or leave it.
You're so original, JT,.
How do you come up with things like that?
How do you come up with things like that?
I read your posts.
It was a joke!!!
Actually, I see Dennis tromping off to Guatemala someday. Joining the fight for workers and land rights.
I'm a little guilty of that, too.
I've told a couple right-wingers that there are other countries where the tax burden is far less, and, with their income of Yankee dollars they could live in a fine home with servants.
They could also arm themselves to the teeth.
The infrastructure may not be everything they want; but what difference should that make to someone who wants to be free to be a rugged individual?
Point taken.
I didn't say that one of the "countries" was actually Idaho, though.
Great fishing in Idaho.
Rick,
I see what you are getting at as well and I have said the same things to others. The only time I believe I have said it is to people who live here and in the year that I have been posting haven't posted ONE positive thing about where they live. Sure everyone has complaints and this place isn't perfect. But when it's almost to a level of hatred I say then why live here if it's so bad ? There is a point when it's just piling on and repetitive attacks on a nation you have the choice and privelege to live in. And from reading their posts lead me to believe that they think this is the worst damn place on earth. I get tired of it frankly.
fold: you just may save MORE lives by attacking Iraq now than waiting until later.
Rob:
I gotta think that's mostly just to get a rise out of people.
I don't go in for all that flag-waving, hoo-rah, stuff either. Mainly because ostentatious displays of national pride or religious faith aren't my style.
But I don't know how you can't love your home. Even a nuthouse like this.
Rick,
Agreed, everyone shows their pride differently. I have put my flag up everyday and was doing it years before 9-11. Some choose not to, that's fine. Doesn't matter to me. It's a personal thing to me much like music.
I don't know either. And those are the exact people I that I tell that they are free to move. I lived down off 7th and Arcade for a while, I didn't like it, it was a bad area. I moved instead of bitching for years what a horrible place it was and doing nothing about it. It's a free country and I'm sure their would be many that would gladly trade places with those that hate it so much.
I moved instead of bitching for years what a horrible place it was and doing nothing about it.
Ditto.
I hated Missouri and left that place as soon as I could.
Minnesota's not perfect but I like it.
Well just for the record Missouri is a wonderful place.
To each their own, Jethro.
Maybe it was just where I lived (Springfield).
Could have been my age too. I'm not the same as I was when I was 18.
I have spent some time in KC and St Louis. I didn't care for those places either.
I never like Springfield much either. I can't say that I was much impressed with St. Louis or Kansas City. It may be because I like rural areas much better.
When I lived in the South part of Springfield it wasn't bad but, when we moved to the "City" I didn't like it it much.
I enjoyed Lebanon. My ex inlaws own a motel there and it was always fun visiting.
Branson was cool when I first moved there in the early 80's but it's turned into a big tacky country jamboree now.
I've spent time in the lake areas and they seem cool but don't know if I'd live there.
Ever been to Arkansas? I moved from Flippin (home of Ranger bass boats). Spent time in Harrison and Bull Shoals as well. Still have some relatives on Bull Shoals Lake near Mtn. Home. Very pretty area to visit, but hard to make a living.
I like the sound of Flippin, Arkansas.
Sorry off topic. Reminds me though of this little bar that used to be near Motley MN. It was called the "Frikken bar" I could just imagine some guys wife complaining to her friends how he was always down at the frikken bar.
Even more off topic:
I forget what country it is but it might be Korea, they have tons of bars opening up called "The Office".
So, when peoples bosses call them on their cell phones they can say they're "At The Office" without lying.
As Bill Fold always says: True story.
Ever been to Arkansas?
Just the Northern part. Pretty country.
Just the Northern part.
That is where all those towns are. Harrison is straight south of Branson just a little ways into Arkansas.The rest are a little ways east of Harrison. South of Flippin is Cotter, AR, where the infamous Whitewater is located.
Very beautiful area.
Are you going to allow YOUR family members to kill and possibly be killed in a needless, illegal, aggressive war on the basis of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's CLAIMS?
Do you really TRUST those guys more than you love your kin?
Invading Iraq would be unnecessary and wrong.
You know that in your heart of hearts.
Speak out...before our sons are stretched out, in returned aluminum caskets, stacked on airport tarmac.
Sorry Dennis, I just don't agree with you.
Do I trust Bush & Cheney? No more than I trust any politician.
That being said, it's common knowledge what sort of person & leader Saddam is. Remember, this is the same guy that gives $25,000 cash to suicide bombers families. This is the same guy that used chemical weapons on his own people. This is the same guy that has his own family members killed.......
I sure love to see those who defend this still COMMON practice---Bill
Honor killing is not common in Pakistan, But these incidents do occur in remote tribal areas of Pakistan. in honor killing a man kill his relative women if she had illegal sex (sex without merriage) with someone else and most of the time accused man is also killed. sex without merriage is a crime according to islamic laws and there are defined punishment for this crime BUT laws does not allow individual to take the law on his hand and take decision to punish someone by himself. its the duty of state and judiciary not individual! if someone does this its called murder and punished by the courts according to laws.
The incident you are mentioning did happen BUT all culprits of that case were cought and punished by the court including all those area Council of Elders.
if a man says that he killed his wife after having a dream that she betrayed him it means he is mentally sick and retarded. there are relexation on punishment for mentally sick people.
Amnesty Int. and other human right organizations does not give the right pic. they show the things more horrible not for the interest of people but for their own interests :-)
I wonder how many people emmigrate to Pakistan each year?--Bill
Pakistan is not a country formmed by the immigrants from throughout the world like US we have our own culture, values and history having roots in thousands of years and we are proud of it. Pakistan doesn't allow immigrants offcourse there are lots of illegal immigrants
from Central asian republic, south asia, China and middle east.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20020918/ts_usatoday/4457920
WORLD SUPORT FOR WAR RECEDES...
"but it DOES happen, and it happens A LOT. "
You don't know that, Bill. It may be rare in Pakistan.
And Naeem isn't justifying it. But he admits that it happens. He doesn't say it's right.
Should we be accountable for everything that sometimes takes place in remote corners of the United States?
Some stuff has gone down in the past. There's probaby been a couple "honor killings" here, too. They just weren't called that.
Do you really TRUST those guys more than you love your kin?
I certainly trust Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld much more than the people you would like to see in those poitions of pwer, Rahkonen.
A MAN would honor her, by being an honorable and loving husband.--bill
you are right and thats why most of the man in our society are honorable and loving husbands of their wives. they spent the whole life with their wives. they give protection , respect, social and financial support to them and most of the time man alone bear the whole financial burden b'coz he think its his duty to feed his wife and children and fullfill their daily requirments. in our society a women is not respectable b'coz how much she earns BUT b'coz God gave her responsibility to give birth and bring up human and its a great and honorable responsibility for a woman thats why in our society men are required to fullfill the financial and social needs of his womam so that she can concentrate on bringing up her children and create valuable members of society.
In your society women are treated as toilet tissue paper. man use them and then throw them away. they marry with a women spent 4 to 5 years, breed some children and leave women with chidren. they don't provide financial and social support to them instead they force women to go out leaving her children and earn money. Now she has double burden one is to bring up her children and second is to earn money too. I read a story in news papers that a woman in US killed her 4 little children from age 7 years to 6 months b'coz her new boyfriend refused to accept them and she had left no choice but to kill them herself. I also read a story about a 5 years old girl who was rapped and then killed by some men in your society they threw her naked deadbody on a road and all these incidents did not happen in remote corners of US BUT in the big, hightech and prosperious cities of your country. these are just two incidents which could be exposed by the media and there must be a lot of incidents like this!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20020920/ts_nm/mideast_dc
Israeli tanks roar into Gaza, Arafat compound under attack in Ramallah...
Right on, Bill Fold.
We may have more divorce, maybe that's due to the fact that women can actually leave their husbands in this country. They don't have to stay in shitty marriages.
Sure, we've got our problems but "honor" rapes, mutilation & burnings aren't among them.
Good!
From Dennis' link:
The siege, after two Palestinian suicide bombings
ended a six-week lull in such attacks,....
We may have more divorce, maybe that's due to the fact that women can actually leave their husbands in this country. They don't have to stay in shitty marriages.
Maybe it is due to women and men that have no concept of commitment and will chase anything they get the hots for.
BUSH DEMAND OF UN CONTRADICTS ITS MISSION
According to George W. Bush, the United Nations must decide to authorize a war with Iraq or risk becoming irrelevant by not living up to its purpose. Bush argues that the U.S. will then have to act alone in going to war with Iraq. According to Article 1 of the U.N. Charter, however, the purpose of the UN is "to maintain international peace."
It seems the Bush administration is saying that only one decision will be accepted from the U.N., that of war, and that the contrary decision, to fulfill its purpose of maintaining the peace, is not really a decision after all but, rather, inaction.
Bush seems to think that the only way the U.N. can "maintain international peace" is by going to war! Another George, George Orwell, wrote in his novel "1984" that a tenet of his fictional totalitarian party was "war is peace." Let's hope that such a tenet remains fiction.
--BRET THIELE (Duluth News Tribune letter)
All who condemn Bush---how is this for a leader:
No, not Saddam......Read the rest here--->
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/262/oped/Starving_time_in_Zimbabwe+.shtml
Interesting site regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/
"...Peace, presumably, with Arafat and Hussein. But how much
                    peace will Arafat and Hussein get, or have in their gift? Can
                    anyone suppose that all, or almost all, of the PLO would go
                    along with that deal, or any deal? The deal would likely be
                    denounced, with the usual vehemence, both by the left-wing
                    factions of the PLO and by the Syrian-controlled factions, and
                    all those factions might well gain new adherents, through further
                    defections from Arafat's Fatah. Syria, orchestrating its PLO
                    factions with its usual ruthless skill, would be likely to make life
                    very hot (by the methods it has successfully used in Lebanon)
                    on the West Bank......."
The previous from 1985! http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/mideast/obrien.htm
How many Presidents have there been since 1985? This must be a different Arafat? Perhaps his cousin?
<sarcasm>.
I've been following what's been going on in Zimbabwe because I was there three years ago. It's an incredible place and what's happening is just a tragedy.
If famine goes on in the face of such agricultural prosperity it has to be laid right at Mugabe's feet. He was supposed to be a liberator. Now, it looks like he plans on starving people as he solidifies his faltering power base. The currency is practically worthless and the country is in chaos.
Sure, the Brit expats are arrogant. But that doesn't justifty outright theft. And that's what's taking place on their farms. Their families have a century invested in that land. Ask them, and they'll tell you, they're Africans, too.
You want to talk about State Terrorism, Dennis? -- Zimbabwe. There's your state terrorism.
There could have been a way to work this out short of what's taking place now.
http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20020920151939178
THREE ISRAELI TANKS DESTROYED...
Kind of shoots your constant claims of how these brave warriors only have sticks and stones. Funny I've never seen a rock take out an M-1 Abrahms.
If it's even true:
"Palestine Chronicle Correspondent
"GAZA STRIP/WEST BANK (PC) - Palestinian resistance fighters blew up two Israeli army tanks in the southern Gaza Strip, and a third in Jabalia. Meanwhile, the Israeli army has reportedly fenced a building in which the Palestinian President is held hostage, destroying the rest of the Ramallah headquarters. "
We have an unnamed corrspondent with a lot of big talk.
Being held "hostage" seems to mean there are some demands for ransom. I don't think there are. The Isrealis are probably making the demands.
Like "stop blowing up innocent Israelis and we won't send tanks into Southern Gaza."
Another chip in Palestine's soul falls away....
Oh and, YOU, are full of shit.---Bill
Did I put my foot on the tail of a doggy! Or have I shown mirror to a beast :-))
In MY society, I have been married for 25 years, and all of the men in my family(brothers) have been married once. --bill
in your society, a man rarely marry for 25 years and mostly during that period enjoys 50 other 'Girl Friends' means 2 girlfriends per year :-) more then half of them become pragnent most of the men don't know how many illiegal children they have throughout the country :-) and those 'girlfriends' must be bearing the whole burden of those children bred by their non-married boyfriends and who left them after using those women. I read an article revealing that the no. of single parent children are increasing in US and most of the single parents are women, is this a kind of protection, support and honor you give your women!!!???
Another article revealed that 15% of American girls less then 15 years become pragnent having no identification of the father of the baby she is carrying. A girl who is less then 15 yrs have no idea about sex or being pragnent that mean she must have been forced or misleaded by a man who wanted to give 'honor' to that innocent girl :-)
In your society women are just disposable sex machine you use them and then throw them away.
A Woman only take divorce when her husband don't give her respect, honor, protection and support and large number of divorce in your
society only shows that women are deprived of all these things it does not mean they have right to pursue their OWN interests.
Palestinian resistance fighters blew up two Israeli army tanks in the southern Gaza Strip, and a third in Jabalia---Rick
I don't believe on this!!! If its true then its very Good!