and thats just the thing, isnt it? with bodine and the Bible, all one has to do to be thought of as wrong is to question something. The simple act of asking what if is some sort of horrible sin to people like bodine. Because the answers are there if you will just open the book and your eyes.
and bodine, I don't care how "low" you think it is...I'm going to question things regardless...it's how one learns. Stop asking question, you stop learning. The answers are to be had if you would look. But I think you know what the answers are but do not want to accept them.
I'd actually have more respect for Christ if it was just a really good magic trick to get people to love one another and not some sort of supernatural guilt trip.
Maybe you shoudl read the book, crabs. You say you want to learn but it appears all you want to do is offend and cast stones.
Maybe you shoudl read the book, crabs. You say you want to learn but it appears all you want to do is offend and cast stones.
if you are offended, perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think it is.
The answers are to be had if you would look.
I've gotten answers. That doesn't mean that I stop questioning though. And sorry, one old book is not the repository of all the answers. I know you want it to be, but it's not. The real answers are everywhere.
But I think you know what the answers are but do not want to accept them.
if you are offended, perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think it is. I have no idea what this means.
You are disrespectful, crabs no moreso than you are. Oh I don't mean to me. Be as disrespectful to me as much as you want. You are disrespectful to God.
I reject your God...you don't even know enough about mine to reject it.
It is apparent that your God is man. Good luck with that.
your God is a fairytale for yesterday's children. And you are a little man. you have nothing to recommend listening to you at this time. You can change. I'll pray for you.
I believe in the number infinity and all that it implies.
I believe that matter and/or energy cannot be created or destroyed. I believe there is an infinite amount of finite matter and/or energy. (you cannot add or subtract from infinity). I believe that matter and/or energy must remain in a state of flux. This is simple junior high physics.
I believe that I am a finite amount of matter and energy that cannot be created or destroyed and that is in a constant state of flux. Time is the engine that drives the constant state of flux. Time is infinite and works in concert with the infinite matter and/or energy. There was no beginning and there is no end.
since there is an infinite amount of matter and/or energy and since it is changing infinitely, all things exist.
all things.
it's pretty simple actually.
since I can't comprehend infinite (myself being only a finite within the infinite), I have to believe it just as others believe in their Gods.
It's really not so different from the heart of more traditional religions. I just don't feel a need for stories to explain it to me and I don't care for those stories when they use the need that living, thinking finite beings have to understand this as an excuse to control them.
If we are "finite matter and/or energy in the infinite system", then what does it matter if we commit what THX suggests?
Genocide? Just getting rid of some matter that we do not like.
War? Just getting rid of some matter that is in our way.
Rape? Just having a little fun with some matter.
Stealing? Got to support our fun while we are here somehow.
Really, what does it matter if I do anything to you, your family or your belongings if all we are is no more than some minerals and energy that accidentally got mixed together one day? I walk on dirt, grass, sidewalks, etc., so why can I not walk on people as well? They are all no more than minerals to you. None of them have a soul in your eyes, so what is the difference?
I do not condone any of this, but I am asking you what is different that should keep us from such acts?
somewhere in the infinite, the finite matter and/or energy that you think is you has or will be everything else. since it's an infinite system and there is an infinite amount of time and space for our finite matter and/or energy to exist in, our finite matter and/or energy in some time and place has or will be everything and do everything. It's only the engine of time that determines where and when you are now. You have free will now, but you don't have free will to end the changing or to end the space and time or to end the matter and/or energy....you can't add or subtract from everyting.
what you, as a finite amount of matter and/or energy do about this situation at any one time is entirely up to you...there are an infinite number of possible responses, all of which exist.
it's a scary idea...which is why the desire to have a God that tells you it's not infinite, that there was a beginning and an end and an order to it all, is very strong.
once you understand that we are just finite components of an infinite system, you realize that we are all just a part of a single thing. You and I and even bodice are part of the same system....everything is.
If we're all just matter & energy, what is the purpose of life?
so THX, I've tried my best to explain my beliefs...can you explain the purpose of life as you see it? In your own words, with your own thoughts please.
I asked for your opinion, not for mine. Why do you not do those things? Why are they wrong in your views?
As for mine, they are wrong because we were created by God with a soul and we are a part of God. We are a temple for God. Therefore to kill someone, for example, is to sin against God.
they are wrong because we were created by God with a soul and we are a part of God. We are a temple for God, therefore, to kill someone for example is to sin against God.
if God is infinite and you are a part of it, how did you get created from something that is infinite? Or is your God a finite thing?
Why do you not do those things? Why are they wrong in your views?
I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
I don't know about those whens and where, only this place and time. I am bound by time to be here now. It's the only way I can exist as a finite amount of matter and/or energy.
they are wrong because we were created by God with a soul and we are a part of God. We are a temple for God, therefore, to kill someone for example is to sin against God.
this is based on what others have said. what do YOU think? I understand that you agree with what others have said they think, but what about you? Why does your mind agree with what others have written?
You said that it was up to me. That would be my opinion, not yours.
how did you get created from something that is infinite?
I was created by God, not from God. Big difference.
I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
Yeah...right.
If you do not like someone, what keeps you from killing them? Why would that be wrong in your views? Why should we keep someone who can not stand you from killing you?
Again, I do not condone these actions, just trying to understand your views.
Why does your mind agree with what others have written?
A difficult question to answer. Sort of like asking why do you love your parents (assuming that you do)? Can't prove that you do, you just do.
I think that it makes more sense than there was 2 particles that just bumped into each other and that was what started it all. Accidents and evolving animals that quit evolving unexplainably never seemed to make much sense to me.
Much of the bible has been proven as far as what towns were where and some of the more worldly events that took place at the time. Old scrolls also agree with what is in our modern day bible.
A lot of it has to do with faith though. You just believe what you believe and it is hard to explain.
I think that it makes more sense than there was 2 particles that just bumped into each other and that was what started it all.
you aren't paying attention, because I have very specifically stated that not only isn't there a "start", there in no way could have been a start. It's the nature of infinity.
They do not accept him, therefore, they do not have him.
One last thing, if someone wishes to harm you, why should they not.
you are missing the entire point...they have....EVERYTHING EXISTS.
when you say "harm", that is only one perception of the CHANGE that is a constant.
When you say "kill" that too is just another perception (on we don't understand as well as others) of a CHANGE in FORM of MATTER and/OR ENERGY that is CONSTANTLY changing. The MATTER and/or ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DETROYED. The FORM that this MATTER and/or ENERGY takes CANNOT NOT CHANGE. It MUST remain in a state of flux. It has to keep changing...infinitely (since the matter and/or energy cannot be destroyed)...all this "what if" is already there.
You are not the same as you were an instant ago...nothing is.
when you say "harm", that is only one perception of the CHANGE that is a constant.
Come on Crabs, you know what I am getting at and you are trying to avoid an answer. Why should we avoid pollution? Why does it matter if an animal goes extinct? Etc. If all we do is change form, why does any of it matter?
can you explain the purpose of life as you see it?
Simply put, to get to heaven.
If I lived life according to your idea that everything is the purspose of life, why wouldn't I just rape, steal, murder... to get what I want in this life? Why should I care about anyone else?
because murder, rape....the entire laundry list...is therefor of God.
He allows such things, because he gave us free will.
Joe Haysuse!
are you an expert? have you studied it extensively or something?
Enough to know that if you get nailed to a cross and eventually someone sticks you in the side that you probably won't live through it.
I'd actually have more respect for Christ if it was just a really good magic trick
Typical liberal. Actually being what you claim is no good, but to pull an elaborate lie off...
Bingo!
that's actually superbeing what you claim, actually
and thats just the thing, isnt it? with bodine and the Bible, all one has to do to be thought of as wrong is to question something. The simple act of asking what if is some sort of horrible sin to people like bodine. Because the answers are there if you will just open the book and your eyes.
and bodine, I don't care how "low" you think it is...I'm going to question things regardless...it's how one learns. Stop asking question, you stop learning. The answers are to be had if you would look. But I think you know what the answers are but do not want to accept them.
I'd actually have more respect for Christ if it was just a really good magic trick to get people to love one another and not some sort of supernatural guilt trip.
Maybe you shoudl read the book, crabs. You say you want to learn but it appears all you want to do is offend and cast stones.
in case you haven't noticed, it's bodine who has been doing all the despising around here. I can provide all the examples you like.
You are disrespectful, crabs. You attempt to demean Christianity but you can't succeed. People with much more talent that you have tried.
Typical liberal. Actually being what you claim is no good, but to pull an elaborate lie off...
crabs and hubris are synonyms.
if you are offended, perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think it is.
I've gotten answers. That doesn't mean that I stop questioning though. And sorry, one old book is not the repository of all the answers. I know you want it to be, but it's not. The real answers are everywhere.
just they aren't the ones you say they should be.
no moreso than you are.
if you are offended, perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think it is. I have no idea what this means.
You are disrespectful, crabs no moreso than you are. Oh I don't mean to me. Be as disrespectful to me as much as you want. You are disrespectful to God.
I'm sure you don't.
no...my god says to keeps asking questions
you don't even know what my god is, do you?
my god has no need for the idea of "disrespect"
it's way bigger than something so trivial as "respect"
my god requires no respect
what sort of god is it if it needs "respect" anyway?
what a small God you have.
you are a liar too.
my god says to keeps asking questions
crabs, you have rejected God. That's your choice. You have answered a previous question I had about just how low you will go.
I reject yourGod...you don't even know enough about mine to reject it.
you reject god on a regular basis.
that thing you call God has a god and you reject it.
your God is a little story told to control tiny organism on a tiny planet in a little corner of the infinite.
your God is a fairytale for yesterday's children.
I reject your God...you don't even know enough about mine to reject it.
It is apparent that your God is man. Good luck with that.
your God is a fairytale for yesterday's children. And you are a little man. you have nothing to recommend listening to you at this time. You can change. I'll pray for you.
you don't even know what my god is, do you?
Liberalism?
not even close.
Crabgrass...
what is your god?
I have a hard time you believe in a form of religion. Is your your form of religion -the Sciences?
I believe in the number infinity and all that it implies.
I believe that matter and/or energy cannot be created or destroyed. I believe there is an infinite amount of finite matter and/or energy. (you cannot add or subtract from infinity). I believe that matter and/or energy must remain in a state of flux.
This is simple junior high physics.
I believe that I am a finite amount of matter and energy that cannot be created or destroyed and that is in a constant state of flux. Time is the engine that drives the constant state of flux. Time is infinite and works in concert with the infinite matter and/or energy. There was no beginning and there is no end.
since there is an infinite amount of matter and/or energy and since it is changing infinitely, all things exist.
all things.
it's pretty simple actually.
since I can't comprehend infinite (myself being only a finite within the infinite), I have to believe it just as others believe in their Gods.
It's really not so different from the heart of more traditional religions. I just don't feel a need for stories to explain it to me and I don't care for those stories when they use the need that living, thinking finite beings have to understand this as an excuse to control them.
If we're all just matter & energy, what is the purpose of life?
everything
Everything?
everything
you can't comprehend everything when it's infinite, can you?
what you are asking is if we have free will as finite matter and/or energy in the infinite system.
I don't know, do you?
all these things exist, don't they?
what are their purpose?
you tell me.
If we are "finite matter and/or energy in the infinite system", then what does it matter if we commit what THX suggests?
Genocide? Just getting rid of some matter that we do not like.
War? Just getting rid of some matter that is in our way.
Rape? Just having a little fun with some matter.
Stealing? Got to support our fun while we are here somehow.
Really, what does it matter if I do anything to you, your family or your belongings if all we are is no more than some minerals and energy that accidentally got mixed together one day? I walk on dirt, grass, sidewalks, etc., so why can I not walk on people as well? They are all no more than minerals to you. None of them have a soul in your eyes, so what is the difference?
I do not condone any of this, but I am asking you what is different that should keep us from such acts?
what does it matter?
that's for you to decide.
it's there though....everything is.
you aren't paying attention...you can't "get rid of" anything...only change it...and you can't not change it.
the rest is up to you.
accident?
everything exists...it can't be an accident...it HAS TO exist.
somewhere in the infinite, the finite matter and/or energy that you think is you has or will be everything else. since it's an infinite system and there is an infinite amount of time and space for our finite matter and/or energy to exist in, our finite matter and/or energy in some time and place has or will be everything and do everything. It's only the engine of time that determines where and when you are now. You have free will now, but you don't have free will to end the changing or to end the space and time or to end the matter and/or energy....you can't add or subtract from everyting.
what you, as a finite amount of matter and/or energy do about this situation at any one time is entirely up to you...there are an infinite number of possible responses, all of which exist.
it's a scary idea...which is why the desire to have a God that tells you it's not infinite, that there was a beginning and an end and an order to it all, is very strong.
once you understand that we are just finite components of an infinite system, you realize that we are all just a part of a single thing. You and I and even bodice are part of the same system....everything is.
Time makes it appear that we are separate.
so THX, I've tried my best to explain my beliefs...can you explain the purpose of life as you see it? In your own words, with your own thoughts please.
what does it matter?
that's for you to decide.
I asked for your opinion, not for mine. Why do you not do those things? Why are they wrong in your views?
As for mine, they are wrong because we were created by God with a soul and we are a part of God. We are a temple for God. Therefore to kill someone, for example, is to sin against God.
I gave you it.
if God is infinite and you are a part of it, how did you get created from something that is infinite? Or is your God a finite thing?
I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
I don't know about those whens and where, only this place and time. I am bound by time to be here now. It's the only way I can exist as a finite amount of matter and/or energy.
this is based on what others have said. what do YOU think? I understand that you agree with what others have said they think, but what about you? Why does your mind agree with what others have written?
I gave you it.
You said that it was up to me. That would be my opinion, not yours.
how did you get created from something that is infinite?
I was created by God, not from God. Big difference.
I have, you have, we all have. It's only a question of when and where...everthing exists.
Yeah...right.
If you do not like someone, what keeps you from killing them? Why would that be wrong in your views? Why should we keep someone who can not stand you from killing you?
Again, I do not condone these actions, just trying to understand your views.
uh...it also says that for me, it's up to me.
you also said you were a part of God. If you are a part of something infinite, you can't create more infinite. You can't add to infinity.
yeah...right indeed. EVERYTHING EXISTS...that's what infinity means.
look...let's take your God and you as a temple of it.
Is your God infinite? All things?
because murder, rape....the entire laundry list...is therefor of God.
because they exist, right? Does your God have a temple of murderers?
Why does your mind agree with what others have written?
A difficult question to answer. Sort of like asking why do you love your parents (assuming that you do)? Can't prove that you do, you just do.
I think that it makes more sense than there was 2 particles that just bumped into each other and that was what started it all. Accidents and evolving animals that quit evolving unexplainably never seemed to make much sense to me.
Much of the bible has been proven as far as what towns were where and some of the more worldly events that took place at the time. Old scrolls also agree with what is in our modern day bible.
A lot of it has to do with faith though. You just believe what you believe and it is hard to explain.
the entire laundry list...is therefor of God.
They would be from the freewill of others. We are allowed to chose which way we want to go. Wouldn't make for much if we were forced to go his way.
Does your God have a temple of murderers?
They do not accept him, therefore, they do not have him. If they changed there ways and asked for him, then they would.
I have to go to a family gathering now. Have a great weekend.
One last thing, if someone wishes to harm you, why should they not. Remember that you are nothing but matter, energy and time.
you aren't paying attention, because I have very specifically stated that not only isn't there a "start", there in no way could have been a start. It's the nature of infinity.
of course they do, they are a part of Him.
Isn't your God ALL THINGS?
you are missing the entire point...they have....EVERYTHING EXISTS.
when you say "harm", that is only one perception of the CHANGE that is a constant.
When you say "kill" that too is just another perception (on we don't understand as well as others) of a CHANGE in FORM of MATTER and/OR ENERGY that is CONSTANTLY changing. The MATTER and/or ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DETROYED. The FORM that this MATTER and/or ENERGY takes CANNOT NOT CHANGE. It MUST remain in a state of flux. It has to keep changing...infinitely (since the matter and/or energy cannot be destroyed)...all this "what if" is already there.
You are not the same as you were an instant ago...nothing is.
Crabs, do you believe in relativism?
I just explained at length what I believe.
when you say "harm", that is only one perception of the CHANGE that is a constant.
Come on Crabs, you know what I am getting at and you are trying to avoid an answer. Why should we avoid pollution? Why does it matter if an animal goes extinct? Etc. If all we do is change form, why does any of it matter?
I know that you explained what you believe. Since it's based on pseudo science and mysticism, I'm trying to see how you apply it.
can you explain the purpose of life as you see it?
Simply put, to get to heaven.
If I lived life according to your idea that everything is the purspose of life, why wouldn't I just rape, steal, murder... to get what I want in this life? Why should I care about anyone else?
because murder, rape....the entire laundry list...is therefor of God.
He allows such things, because he gave us free will.
Just because we are finite, doesn't mean God is.