Nothing wrong with a strategic retreat to live and fight another day.
Perhaps this is a mind set that you simply don't conprehend.
I comprehend it. Just think it is a stupid mindset to have.....
BTW, you set him up. He had no idea you’d been raped, yet you asked the question knowing full well you had first-hand experience....he didn’t know that. That is a set up.
We're talking about a tacticial retreat in the event of overwhelming opposition and firepower - whether it being some idiot who wants to put a .357 magnum in your mush for your wallet if you are unarmed, or whether you are leading a platoon, and have to look after your mens' welfare instead of being macho or stubborn and costing them their lives - I'd rather live to see the guy in court/fight another day. I mean, if you went down fighting for no other reason than dogged machoism/for the hell of it, as opposed to helping other soldiers make a safe retreat, I sure as shit wouldn't admire you. I'd think you stupid. However, if you went down fighting in order to help others, that is very admirable.
I predicted that Powell would resign, before the next election. Who wants to bet he won't be ASKED to resign, within a month?
Thank You, General Powell.
I always said HE should be the President.
Powell shouldn't be president and he won't resign or be asked to leave. We all can see that you get all giddy over this stuff but it is all baseless hopes.
LUV... Bush has only HAD about 5 since becomming PREZ. Why would he suddenly call for one?
You missed my point. The admin isn't whooping it up or making a huge deal about it nor should they. But it is an indicator of what's floating around there. The Sarin shells were supposed to have been destroyed. He claimed he had none.
And besides, finding one or two, or even 25 bombs FULL of mustard-gas or Sarin, is NOT finding WMD, since these are very tactical and will NOT do "Mass Destruction",
Really ? 25 bombs full of mustard gas or sarin are no biggie, they won't do mass destruction? Ask the Kurds about that.
Pacifist are naive. I don't see Jesus in that light. I also don't think Jesus was a pacifist because it does not appear that he condemned the Jewish militants.
I'm sure we'd welcome a pacifist Mohammed.
If he were a pacifist he probably wouldn't have been Mohammed, I suppose.
If you're talking about the ones we see today, yeah, they probably are. But I think it takes as much courage to be a pacifist as it does to be a warrior.
But I think it takes as much courage to be a pacifist as it does to be a warrior.
I'll disagree. It takes a lot more to put ones self in harms way especially if there is nothing to personally gain in the action. When you say that don't you think that maybe there is a little disrespect for our soldiers?
Still telling people how to think and what to say eh Jethro? Half those boys and girls in Iraq don't even want to be there. They know the war is wrong.
On Jesus being a pacifist or not. You wouldn't have a clue. Unless you're 2,000 years old....Ghandi was a pacifist and he got the Brits kicked out of India. King was a pacifist of sorts and look at the civil rights movement
Still telling people who to think and what to say eh Jethro. As if you don't.Half those boys and girls in Iraq don't even want to be there. They know the war is wrong. Maybe a few think it was wrong. I have no doubt that 99% think it was the right thing to do. But being the ecxtreme left winger that you are you wouldn't admit that.
On Jesus being a pacifist or not. You wouldn't have a clue. Well you should know since your whole existence is one clueless day after another.
Now, less than three years after America began to face down the greatest threat yet to our national survival, not only has half the country given up the fight, but they have closed their eyes to the danger. Having mistakenly called our decision to go to war in Iraq "elective" (i.e., not necessary for our national security), they now mistakenly believe that we can "elect" to lose it without serious consequences. By definition, any politicians proposing to turn Iraq over to the United Nations or other weakling entities are prepared to accept strategic defeat.
Buried 3,300 words inside a roughly 4,500-word article is the following exoneration: “Rumsfeld may not be personally culpable.” And further down near the end was another: “The former intelligence official made it clear that he was not alleging that Rumsfeld or General Myers knew that atrocities were committed.”
"You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. - Matthew 5:38-39
which of course is a lesson for us to behave in a pacifist way.
Rick 5/17/04 5:25pm
I'd rather die defending myself. It's easy to be a victim. It takes guts to refuse to be a willing one and just roll over.
Perhaps this is a mind set that you simply don't conprehend.
Have you ever been raped Rick?
"Have you ever been raped Rick? "
No, Crabgrass II.
Them's fight'in words.
Rick 5/17/04 6:22pm
Then you have no idea as what it feels like to be a rape victim.
Rich T 5/17/04 6:36pm
I was 7 years old when I was raped, Rick.
I'm sorry.and I don't mean to minimize your suffering.
But setting me up like that isn't fair, either. Is walking around with a chip on your shoulder helpful to you?
Rick 5/17/04 6:53pm
How do you feel that I set you up?
Rich T 5/17/04 6:58pm
Come now Rick...
How did I set you up?
All I did was convey something that took me 30 years to come to terms with.
Just how exactly did I set you up?
"All I did was convey something that took me 30 years to come to terms with."
I didn't know that at the time, and there was no way I could have. That's how you set me up.
Rick 5/17/04 7:09pm
You didn't answer my question.
How did I set you per your post Rick 5/17/04 6:53pm
Check edits
Rick 5/17/04 7:13pm
I saw your post to me Rick 5/17/04 6:22pm. Crabrass II eh?
Now explain in detail how I set you up.
No, I won't.
Rick 5/17/04 7:09pm
Come on Rick. All I did was ask you a question. How is that setting you up?
Rick 5/17/04 7:18pm
Perhaps you can't?
Rick 5/17/04 5:25pm
Perhaps it is because of the Spartans that Athens thrived.
Rich T 5/17/04 6:13pm
Nothing wrong with a strategic retreat to live and fight another day.
I comprehend it. Just think it is a stupid mindset to have.....
BTW, you set him up. He had no idea you’d been raped, yet you asked the question knowing full well you had first-hand experience....he didn’t know that. That is a set up.
mikey w 5/17/04 7:43pm
Just think it is a stupid mindset to have.....
Trying to not be a victim? How is that stupid?
I've never been raped...I owe it to my pacifism.
it take a lot of guts to get attacked and not hit back or give in.
John Bloodgood 5/17/04 7:47pm
We're talking about a tacticial retreat in the event of overwhelming opposition and firepower - whether it being some idiot who wants to put a .357 magnum in your mush for your wallet if you are unarmed, or whether you are leading a platoon, and have to look after your mens' welfare instead of being macho or stubborn and costing them their lives - I'd rather live to see the guy in court/fight another day. I mean, if you went down fighting for no other reason than dogged machoism/for the hell of it, as opposed to helping other soldiers make a safe retreat, I sure as shit wouldn't admire you. I'd think you stupid. However, if you went down fighting in order to help others, that is very admirable.
I didn't know that at the time, and there was no way I could have. That's how you set me up.
No it just shows your insensitivity.
I've never been raped...I owe it to my pacifism.
damn, you are an idiot.
I predicted that Powell would resign, before the next election. Who wants to bet he won't be ASKED to resign, within a month?
Thank You, General Powell.
I always said HE should be the President.
Powell shouldn't be president and he won't resign or be asked to leave. We all can see that you get all giddy over this stuff but it is all baseless hopes.
Rumsfeld, should be FIRED.
Rumsfeld woul make a better president than Powell, that's for sure.
You missed my point. The admin isn't whooping it up or making a huge deal about it nor should they. But it is an indicator of what's floating around there. The Sarin shells were supposed to have been destroyed. He claimed he had none.
Really ? 25 bombs full of mustard gas or sarin are no biggie, they won't do mass destruction? Ask the Kurds about that.
'Bill - Fold' 5/18/04 3:38am
You must be reading impaired. I didn't blame Rick for anything.
It doesn't take guts to be a pacifist. It takes a coward to be a pacifist.
Doesn't matter Rob. 25 tons of the stuff could be found and it wouldn't be enough for the fold's of the world.
Torpedo-8 5/18/04 3:08pm
Hell. An operational nuke wouldn't be enough for some people.
Jesus is not a pacifist.
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth.
"But I say unto you, resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also" The Sermon on the Mount.
JT is correct, Jesus was not a pacifist.
I couldn't say one way or another, jethro.
But what would be so bad about a pacifist Jesus?
I'm sure we'd welcome a pacifist Mohammed.
But what would be so bad about a pacifist Jesus?
Pacifist are naive. I don't see Jesus in that light. I also don't think Jesus was a pacifist because it does not appear that he condemned the Jewish militants.
I'm sure we'd welcome a pacifist Mohammed.
If he were a pacifist he probably wouldn't have been Mohammed, I suppose.
"Pacifist are naive."
If you're talking about the ones we see today, yeah, they probably are. But I think it takes as much courage to be a pacifist as it does to be a warrior.
But I think it takes as much courage to be a pacifist as it does to be a warrior.
I'll disagree. It takes a lot more to put ones self in harms way especially if there is nothing to personally gain in the action. When you say that don't you think that maybe there is a little disrespect for our soldiers?
I'm not disrespecting anyone. I'm just saying what I think.
saying what one thinks may show disrespect.
jethro bodine 5/19/04 10:18am
Still telling people how to think and what to say eh Jethro? Half those boys and girls in Iraq don't even want to be there. They know the war is wrong.
On Jesus being a pacifist or not. You wouldn't have a clue. Unless you're 2,000 years old....Ghandi was a pacifist and he got the Brits kicked out of India. King was a pacifist of sorts and look at the civil rights movement
Still telling people who to think and what to say eh Jethro. As if you don't.Half those boys and girls in Iraq don't even want to be there. They know the war is wrong. Maybe a few think it was wrong. I have no doubt that 99% think it was the right thing to do. But being the ecxtreme left winger that you are you wouldn't admit that.
On Jesus being a pacifist or not. You wouldn't have a clue. Well you should know since your whole existence is one clueless day after another.
Now, less than three years after America began to face down the greatest threat yet to our national survival, not only has half the country given up the fight, but they have closed their eyes to the danger. Having mistakenly called our decision to go to war in Iraq "elective" (i.e., not necessary for our national security), they now mistakenly believe that we can "elect" to lose it without serious consequences. By definition, any politicians proposing to turn Iraq over to the United Nations or other weakling entities are prepared to accept strategic defeat.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/tonyblankley/tb20040519.shtml
Buried 3,300 words inside a roughly 4,500-word article is the following exoneration: “Rumsfeld may not be personally culpable.” And further down near the end was another: “The former intelligence official made it clear that he was not alleging that Rumsfeld or General Myers knew that atrocities were committed.”
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20040518.shtml
well, when people are nailing you to a cross and you can fight back if you want and you don't, I'd say that's an act of pacifism.
An act of pacifism does not make one a pacifist.
It was a pretty serious act of pacifism.
and of course he said....
which of course is a lesson for us to behave in a pacifist way.
Hardly
But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also
crabgrass 5/19/04 8:57pm
Not gonna happen.
And you have to take that saying in context in order to see it's true meaning.
he taught that you should love your enemy.
even if they kill you.
love, not retribution