In truth, American companies have provided drugs for the world that scored victories over heart disease, diabetes, cancer, polio and other maladies, but now may be deprived of research funds. Would George W. Bush cast his first veto to save the geese that laid the golden eggs?
Would George W. Bush cast his first veto to save the geese that laid the golden eggs?
the Feds have (against the will of the people) prohibited medical marijuana, so why would he care about protecting medicine that the people want and that helps them?
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane[fragrant cane is Keneh bosem in Hebrew the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant], 500 shekels of cassia-all according to the sanctuary shekel-and a hin of olive oil. Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil. - Exodus 30:22-25
"Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." - Genesis 1:29
Luv2 felt that there wasn't any proof that Jesus was a drug user, so I put this information here for Luv2's consideration
Your willing to stretch anything to justify your obsession with drugs
even if it wasn't being used as a drug (and there is plenty to suggest it was), that we have outlawed a plant that was used to make the oil for the annointing that Jesus did strikes me as more than a little absurd.
The fact is, many people have always used drugs throughout history for many purposes, including religion.
I think I'll head over to the nearest church to catch a buzz from anointing oil.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
you may not find any properly prepared oil there (if Jesus was to come back and try to prepare oil to annoint others with, he would be breaking the law), but you might want to try some of that sacramental wine...you know, the kind Jesus made from water. Wine is a drug and is a central part of the Catholic liturgy.
"the withdrawal of wine on permit from bonded warehouses for sacramental purposes amounted in round figures to 2,139,000 gallons in the fiscal year 1922; 2,503,500 gallons in 1923; and 2,944,700 gallons in 1924. There is no way of knowing what the legitimate consumption of fermented sacramental wine is, but it is clear that the legitimate demand does not increase 800,000 gallons in two years."
or we discuss the religions of Native Americans, for whom peyote is a sacriment.
forget those stuffy Catholics, go to a Native religious leader...he may well get you tripped out on drugs in order to become enlightened to their god.
Your willing to stretch anything to justify your obsession with drugs
I'm not stretching anything...Jesus was only one name on a long list intended to show that drug users are not automatically "bad" people...you can remove him from the list (good luck finding anything he said that supports the drug laws though) and the point would still be just as valid...to focus on Jesus is to avoid what was being said.
Anointing Oil is applied on the skin crabs. It is not a drug.
does that mean it's not against the law unless you use it as a drug?
funny...but I don't think that's the way these bad laws are set up.
besides, the cannibus seed can also be used as food...which is of course why god said he gave it to use in the first place....only thing is, the Feds have shut down that otherwise legitimate industry as well.
Cannibus can also be used as food?...Oh yeah!...brownies!
In parts of Europe traditional soups such as Silesian Hemp soup are still enjoyed.
In parts of China toasted Hempseeds are still sold like popcorn in movie theatres and by street vendors.
In the Ukraine ancient Hempseed recipes are still shared. The Japanese use ground Hemp seed as a condiment.
Polish cooks continue to bake the seeds into holiday sweets. Hemp butter will soon be available as an alternative to Peanut butter. It will taste similar while containing a healthier nutritional content. It is currently very popular in Russia.
Hempseed may also be used in dairy alternatives such as ice cream. Hemp seeds may be crushed in a grinder to produce a flour that is capable of being mixed with any other flour to make bread, cakes, pastas and cookies.
This seed is capable of being used as a substitute for meat in much the same way as the soy bean is used.
Hempseeds can be used as a protein and flavour enhancement in any recipe.
No other single plant source can compare with the nutritional value of hempseeds. It is said that Buddha ate one hemp seed a day for three years in his ascetic period.
The seeds used by The Hemp Food Industries are not sterilised or treated in any way. They are EU certified Organic and are used in all of our products.
Yeah... but theres bans on all kinds of other stuff around here too, that people dont pay attention to, whats to stop them from makin a pizza, or bakin some brownies?
Incredibly, there are those who choose to ignore the human devastation and the economic cost of the drug plague. Many of them are pseudo-sophisticated baby boomers who consider themselves superior and hip in their wry, reckless disregard of the facts. They may also smoke marijuana, advocate its legalization, and rationalize cocaine by calling it a recreational drug.
Incredibly, there are those who choose to ignore the simple fact that some certain people will experience the devastation of drug-addiction and drug-abuse, no matter WHAT the law of the land is, and the economic cost of this war on ourselves will go on, and waste more precious Dollar$.
Incredibly, there are people that write crap like the above. I don't know of anyone that believes that there won't be drug addicts no matter what the law says. Incredibly there are idiots that don't see the economic costs of drug addiction which will only increase if certain drugs are made legal.
To view it otherwise? That is the cost of believing everything you read, from one simple-minded source. I don't believe anything you write, fold. And that is one of the few simple- minded sources that I do read.
Incredibly there are idiots that don't see the economic costs of drug addiction which will only increase if certain drugs are made legal.
overall, costs will decrease, dramatically.
the "war" is very costly.
drug addicition and treatment is a tiny fraction of it. There is nothing to suggest that legalization will increase their costs...as a matter of fact, taxation of drugs alone would more than pay for it.
the economic costs of drug addiction which will only increase if certain drugs are made legal.
You haven't proved anything, crabs. You are so full of your shit it is amazing. You believe in your crap like the fundamentalist Muslims believe in Osama Bin Laden. It is all extremist nonsense.
I am going to attack you, crabs. You and you kind are not only damn stupid, you are so damn stupid that you don't realize that your views are dangerous. The overall cost of legalized cocaine, heroin methamphetamine and countless other drugs will be much higher than the cost of the war on drugs.
The overall cost of legalized cocaine, heroin methamphetamine and countless other drugs will be much higher than the cost of the war on drugs.
still waiting for anything that resembles proof of this.
you are so damn stupid that you don't realize that your views are dangerous
and I have proof that the "war on drugs" creates dangerous situations...it creates violent crime, gangs, organized crime and a host of other dangerous situations...not the drugs, but the laws against them.
still waiting for anything that resembles proof of this.
I am waiting for proof from you that things will just be hunky- damn-dory when anyone that wants crack, cocaine, heroin, meth etc. can go to Super America for a hit. It defies common sense. So, of course, you don't understand.
I am waiting for proof from you that things will just be hunky- damn-dory when anyone that wants crack, cocaine, heroin, meth etc. can go to Super America for a hit. It defies common sense. So, of course, you don't understand.
It seems to me that situation is already here. Anyone who wants alcohol can go get it anytime they want, drink as much as they want in public, drive while intoxicated, kill pedestrians and other innocent motorists, beat their children, hospitalize their spouses, lose their jobs, go on welfare, and keep drinking the entire time.
There are already laws on the books against certain behaviors regardless of what influences the perpetrator. There should be no laws regarding what someone arbitrarily thinks someone else MIGHT do under certain circumstances.
There should be no laws regarding what someone arbitrarily thinks someone else MIGHT do under certain circumstances.
I don't know any laws that fit this criteria. such an idea is fricking crap. Do you have any idea how much more driving while intoxicated will occur if it were legal?
how much more driving while intoxicated will occur if it were legal?
So lets break this down then.
According to you, it is ok to be intoxicated on alcohol but it is not ok to drive while intoxicated on alcohol. But it is not ok to become intoxicated on any drug other than alcohol because someone might drive while intoxicated on this other drug.
If alcohol were illegal, no one would drive while intoxicated on alcohol, right?
According to you, it is ok to be intoxicated on alcohol but it is not ok to drive while intoxicated on alcohol. Did I say that? Hell no, I didn't. Why do you have to make such an assumption?But it is not ok to become intoxicated on any drug other than alcohol because someone might drive while intoxicated on this other drug. Look it is apparent that you are one twisted person. You make things up and then accuse others of saying something they didn't. You are one big waste of time.
If alcohol were illegal, no one would drive while intoxicated on alcohol, right? Fine by me. Make alcohol illegal. Thanks for your support.
So what are your thoughts on drugs?
I see purple polka dotted martians singing kumbaya.
I see purple polka dotted martians singing kumbaya.
probably because of the (legal) drugs you're taking.
I see purple polka dotted martians singing kumbaya.
Really?
WOW!
Hey, what did you take to see those!
And do you share?
;)
just what truth are you insinuating here?
obviously fold took torp off his ignore list.
I was never on it.
Hi Nymph --
I think it's pretty stupid to take most illegal drugs, but legislating against stupidity is tyranny.
I think it's pretty stupid to take most illegal drugs, but legislating against stupidity is tyranny.
BRAVO!
I think it's pretty stupid to take most illegal drugs, but legislating against stupidity is tyranny.
Including seat belt laws?
Including seat belts.
absolutely seat belt laws
a drug war to be concerned about
In truth, American companies have provided drugs for the world that scored victories over heart disease, diabetes, cancer, polio and other maladies, but now may be deprived of research funds. Would George W. Bush cast his first veto to save the geese that laid the golden eggs?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030717.shtml
the Feds have (against the will of the people) prohibited medical marijuana, so why would he care about protecting medicine that the people want and that helps them?
the hypocricy is telling
I am against ALL corporate welfare, and ALL corporate taxes.
either Jesus used marijuana or he was not the Christ
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane[fragrant cane is Keneh bosem in Hebrew the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant], 500 shekels of cassia-all according to the sanctuary shekel-and a hin of olive oil. Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil. - Exodus 30:22-25
Cannabis in the Bible
"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.
Luv2 felt that there wasn't any proof that Jesus was a drug user, so I put this information here for Luv2's consideration
Damn... some smart ninjas up in here.
HiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiYA!!!!!!
Go ahead crabs. By all means, GET all bent. It's rather entertaining.
So anointing/holy oil is doing drugs crabs? You need to talk to a Priest.
yes...yes it is....what exactly did you think all that oily annointing was about?
it was a Priest who first explained it to me.
but of course I posted more than just that. did you bother to read any of the links?
"they will be yours for food" - God
drugs play a role in virtually all religions.
I can just see a Priest having an "anointing oil-coke" after a hard day of saving crabs.
"Barkeep!..Gimme an anointing/coke...and make it a double".
Anointing Oil is applied on the skin crabs. It is not a drug.
Of course you would have known that, if you would have even known how to spell it.
Where's your response to fold? He says your links don't measure up either.
you don't think that a drug can be absorbed through the skin?
when he explains why he thinks this I will be able to respond
Your willing to stretch anything to justify your obsession with drugs, aren't you.
I think I'll head over to the nearest church to catch a buzz from anointing oil. Anyone care to join me?
fold explained why. You're just afraid to buck your doper buddy.
even if it wasn't being used as a drug (and there is plenty to suggest it was), that we have outlawed a plant that was used to make the oil for the annointing that Jesus did strikes me as more than a little absurd.
The fact is, many people have always used drugs throughout history for many purposes, including religion.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
you may not find any properly prepared oil there (if Jesus was to come back and try to prepare oil to annoint others with, he would be breaking the law), but you might want to try some of that sacramental wine...you know, the kind Jesus made from water. Wine is a drug and is a central part of the Catholic liturgy.
or we discuss the religions of Native Americans, for whom peyote is a sacriment.
forget those stuffy Catholics, go to a Native religious leader...he may well get you tripped out on drugs in order to become enlightened to their god.
I'm not stretching anything...Jesus was only one name on a long list intended to show that drug users are not automatically "bad" people...you can remove him from the list (good luck finding anything he said that supports the drug laws though) and the point would still be just as valid...to focus on Jesus is to avoid what was being said.
does that mean it's not against the law unless you use it as a drug?
funny...but I don't think that's the way these bad laws are set up.
besides, the cannibus seed can also be used as food...which is of course why god said he gave it to use in the first place....only thing is, the Feds have shut down that otherwise legitimate industry as well.
wine...legal
peyote...legal for Native Americans only in certain religious ceremonies.
I have no problem with a drug that serves a specific purpose, medical or religious.
Cannibus can also be used as food?...Oh yeah!...brownies!
Much more than just brownies, ninja.... Ive gotta cookbook someplace that has a thousand and 1 recipies, that you can use marajuana in.
Yeah... but theres bans on all kinds of other stuff around here too, that people dont pay attention to, whats to stop them from makin a pizza, or bakin some brownies?
how about we refer back to the Bible itself?
now...if annointing people with oil healed them, then it was used as a drug.
http://www.slatts.freeserve.co.uk/famous/anointing-oil.htm
http://www.startthehealing.com/intro_oils.html
yes...annointing oils are indeed "doing drugs"...they were being used this way for thousands of years before Christ.
War on drugs is still a war worth fighting
Incredibly, there are those who choose to ignore the human devastation and the economic cost of the drug plague. Many of them are pseudo-sophisticated baby boomers who consider themselves superior and hip in their wry, reckless disregard of the facts. They may also smoke marijuana, advocate its legalization, and rationalize cocaine by calling it a recreational drug.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Dobbs20030813.shtml
Drug addiction/abuse ARE the ways of the simple minded. Thanks for pointing that out fold.
Incredibly, there are those who choose to ignore the simple fact that some certain people will experience the devastation of drug-addiction and drug-abuse, no matter WHAT the law of the land is, and the economic cost of this war on ourselves will go on, and waste more precious Dollar$.
Incredibly, there are people that write crap like the above. I don't know of anyone that believes that there won't be drug addicts no matter what the law says. Incredibly there are idiots that don't see the economic costs of drug addiction which will only increase if certain drugs are made legal.
To view it otherwise? That is the cost of believing everything you read, from one simple-minded source. I don't believe anything you write, fold. And that is one of the few simple- minded sources that I do read.
overall, costs will decrease, dramatically.
the "war" is very costly.
drug addicition and treatment is a tiny fraction of it. There is nothing to suggest that legalization will increase their costs...as a matter of fact, taxation of drugs alone would more than pay for it.
which "certain" ones are you referring to?
Incredibly there are idiots that don't see the economic costs of drug addiction which will only increase if certain drugs are made legal.
crabs responded: overall, costs will decrease, dramatically.
Crap. Crap. Crap.
prove it.
I have.
You haven't proved anything, crabs. You are so full of your shit it is amazing. You believe in your crap like the fundamentalist Muslims believe in Osama Bin Laden. It is all extremist nonsense.
that isn't proof...it's rhetoric.
sorry.
let's have some proof.
I can show you proof of all the money that gets saved (and have done so in this thread again and again...
don't attack me, attack the issue.
prove it.
otherwise you are just a know-nothing blowhard.
I am going to attack you, crabs. You and you kind are not only damn stupid, you are so damn stupid that you don't realize that your views are dangerous. The overall cost of legalized cocaine, heroin methamphetamine and countless other drugs will be much higher than the cost of the war on drugs.
still waiting for anything that resembles proof of this.
and I have proof that the "war on drugs" creates dangerous situations...it creates violent crime, gangs, organized crime and a host of other dangerous situations...not the drugs, but the laws against them.
still waiting for anything that resembles proof of this.
I am waiting for proof from you that things will just be hunky- damn-dory when anyone that wants crack, cocaine, heroin, meth etc. can go to Super America for a hit. It defies common sense. So, of course, you don't understand.
I am waiting for proof from you that things will just be hunky- damn-dory when anyone that wants crack, cocaine, heroin, meth etc. can go to Super America for a hit. It defies common sense. So, of course, you don't understand.
It seems to me that situation is already here.
Anyone who wants alcohol can go get it anytime they want, drink as much as they want in public, drive while intoxicated, kill pedestrians and other innocent motorists, beat their children, hospitalize their spouses, lose their jobs, go on welfare, and keep drinking the entire time.
This defies common sense.
But everything is just hunky dory, ain't it.
Fur shur...
There are already laws on the books against certain behaviors regardless of what influences the perpetrator. There should be no laws regarding what someone arbitrarily thinks someone else MIGHT do under certain circumstances.
Correct.
There should be no laws regarding what someone arbitrarily thinks someone else MIGHT do under certain circumstances.
I don't know any laws that fit this criteria. such an idea is fricking crap. Do you have any idea how much more driving while intoxicated will occur if it were legal?
how much more driving while intoxicated will occur if it were legal?
So lets break this down then.
According to you, it is ok to be intoxicated on alcohol but it is not ok to drive while intoxicated on alcohol.
But it is not ok to become intoxicated on any drug other than alcohol because someone might drive while intoxicated on this other drug.
If alcohol were illegal, no one would drive while intoxicated on alcohol, right?
According to you, it is ok to be intoxicated on alcohol but it is not ok to drive while intoxicated on alcohol. Did I say that? Hell no, I didn't. Why do you have to make such an assumption?But it is not ok to become intoxicated on any drug other than alcohol because someone might drive while intoxicated on this other drug. Look it is apparent that you are one twisted person. You make things up and then accuse others of saying something they didn't. You are one big waste of time.
If alcohol were illegal, no one would drive while intoxicated on alcohol, right? Fine by me. Make alcohol illegal. Thanks for your support.