Republicans stole the governor's office, fair and square.
Stole? See this shows the core problem with democrats. They can't handle reality. Davis screwed things up. He deserved being ousted and he was ousted by the rules. The governorship was not stolen it was handed over through the political methods approved by the people of California.
It is often said, "All is fair in love and politics".
Since I now live and work in California, I can say with certainty that Ahnold was what the people there wanted
. ANYONE butGray Davis. They did NOT like the guy, far back to before the election cycle/recall started. In fact, the only reason he was elected the last time was because the people saw him as lesser of the two evils on the ballot. That isn't "Nutty", it's common in many states, and soon in a National Election
.
Ahnold's "Moderate" stand on most issues has resonated well with the people in California, and he will most likely be re-elected. He's the Governator now. More Moderates would certainbly be of benefit to ALL America.
But the truth is that as Governor, Gray Davis had little to do with the economic downturn that was racing-along full steam in California, and across the country. As anyone who can readshould know... The power industry stole so much from the people of California (and all of us), but California took the biggest shot of all, and it almost collapsed the entire economy there. WHO lead the power companies that brokered that economy into almost total bankruptcy? Gee, I wonder.
Gasoline there is still THE most expensive of anywhere in the U.S., but the economy there is improving slightly, as it is nationwide Slightly, and NOT because of anything Ahnold has done. All you have to do is read the papersout there to understand why he has done little to nothing that has impacted on their economic woes... But he is certainly an upbeat and progressive
politician, open to all ideas right now, and Progressives usually do have success in such times...as history quite correctly shows, if anyone reads up on it, that is.
Torp, I don't know what you're smoking. The post as far as I know was never removed. I don't think anyone can remove it then put it back. Not sure why you're so concerned with whose bed I'm in, but I sleep alone.
Thousands of U.S. troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan
with physical injuries and mental health problems are encountering an overburdenedbenefits system, and officials and veterans groups worry that the challenge could grow as the nation remains at war.
The disability benefits and health care systems that provide services for about 5 million American veterans have been overloaded for decades, with a current backlog of more than 300,000 claims. And as of Aug. 1, nearly 150,000 National Guard and reservist veterans became eligible for health care and benefits because they were mobilized to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. That number is rising.
President Bush's budget for 2005 calls for cuttingthe Department of Veterans Affairs staff that handles benefits claims, and some veterans report long waitsfor benefits and confusing claims decisions .
250,000Veterans are on our streets, 1/4 of a Million, each and every night, Homeless.
When will WE stop " Breaking The Faith" with those Veterans? They all took an oath to Defend this country, and now they make home a cold and dreary doorway, or a steam-vent in New York city. PISSESme Off.
LOS ANGELES - A lineup of celebrities including Jack Klugman, Donna Mills, Connie Stevens and JoAnne Worley turned out for Veterans Appreciation Day -- an event intended to lift the spirits of hundreds of clients at a facility for homeless U.S. military veterans.
The stars served lunch to the veterans who are temporarily living at the Weingart Center in downtown Los Angeles, in the heart of the city's Skid Row district. A study conducted by the Weingart Institute concluded that veterans are twice as likely as non-veterans to become homeless and represent about 20 percent of the homeless population in Los Angeles.
Weingart Veterans Program manager Richard Caines told United Press International most of the clients at the center served in Vietnam, while the second-largest group is made up of Gulf War veterans. Klugman, who served in the U.S. Army during World War II, said he was surprised that so many of the veterans he met at the event knew who he was. "Most of them did," he said. "They knew about 'The Odd Couple' and 'Quincy.' I started to forget about it already."
Too many Veterans forget about the 1/4 Million Vietnam Era Veterans who are now Homeless, each day, and living on the streets of the nation they pledged to fight for and support. They did so, many in Combatin Vietnam, and yet they do not even have a place to call "home". The faith that they believed they were signing on for and that had been gfiven to so many for so long before that time, has been
denied them . It is HIGH TIME we had a War On Homelessness
for these, our most cheerished Veterans and Heroes .
The President’s FY 2005 Budget, submitted to Congress in February 2004, included $19 million for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program, the same levelas appropriated to it in FY 2004. In late July, the Appropriations Committee in the House of Representatives approved a FY 2005 Labor-H appropriations measure with $19 million for HVRP. The Senate Labor-H subcommittee may mark up its version of a FY 2005 Labor-H appropriations bill in early September. It STILL has Not Been Spent .
Why this Matters:
Homeless veterans have many additional barriers to employment than non-homeless veterans, due to their lack of housing. HVRP guarantees remove those barriers through specialized support, unavailable through other employment service programs.
HVRP guarantees are able to place HVRP participants into employment for $2,100 per placement, a tiny investment for moving a veteran out of homelessness, and off
of dependency on public programs.
HVRP is the primary employment services program accessible by homeless veterans and the only targeted employment program for any homeless sub-population.
DOL estimates that only 16,800 Homeless Veterans will be served through HVRP at the FY 2004 appropriation level of $19 million. This figure represents just three percent of the overall homeless veteran population
, which the Department of Veterans Affairs estimates numbers more than 500,000 over the course of a year. (That is the THIRD figure I have seen in the last year OVER250,000.)
An appropriation at the authorized level of $50 million would enable HVRP grantees to reach approximately 44,000 Homeless veterans . (Still a sham, but at least an INCREASE.)
The U.S. Department of Labor has indicated that if funding is not increased for the program this year, it is unlikely there would be a competition for HVRP new start grants in FY 2005.
HVRP is being used as the account to fund a joint Department of Labor and Department of Veterans Affairs initiative authorized by Congress to assist veterans incarcerated in their reentry to the community. This decision essentially adds a new purpose to the HVRP program, for which additional funds are needed.
Background
The Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program (HVRP), within the Department of Labor’s Veterans Employment and Training Service (VETS), provides competitive grants to community-based, faith-based, and public organizations to offer outreach, job placement and supportive services to homeless veterans.Â
HVRP grants are intended to address two objectives: (a) to provide services to assist in reintegrating homeless veterans into meaningful employment within the labor force, and (b) to stimulate the development of effective service delivery systems that will address the complex problems facing homeless veterans.Â
HVRP grants are funded on a three-year cycle. In 2003, DOL funded HVRP 68 grantees in 32 states and the District of Columbia.
HVRP was first authorized in 1987 under the Stewart B. McKinney Homeless Assistance Act (now called the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act). Congress most recently reauthorized HVRP through FY 2006 at the $50 million level annually through the Homeless Veterans Comprehensive Assistance Act. (But they insult Veterans by funding only 1/3 of the money they promised
.)
The FY 2004 appropriation for HVRP is $19 million.
OK... Less Than HALF....still, a PaltrySum. Of course, unless these Veterans are found and trained and guided into some useful existence by either the cummujnity OR a Bill such as this...then they will NEVER qualify themselves to BUY HOIMES, nor even rent an apartment. They will stay-put, on the Streets. Our ReturningG.I.s's, should be given every BIT of assistance we can offer them. They deserveit.
I wonder... Does this thing automatically post "Torpedo-8 Not On Your Discussion...bla, bla, bla...", as a Tag-Line after someone posts, or does he just have no life, outside of chasing Bill Fold around...???
Gotta make you wonder...
Maybe he wants to join the service...? Nah. No stones
Today, while we honor those who have served this great Nation in uniform, perhaps a fight Worth fighting, is this:
-----------------------------------------
Vets Return With No Healthcare
Christian Science Monitor
November 10, 2004
After serving 410 days in Iraq with the 1st Armored Division, Spc. Stuart Wilf came home to Colorado on Oct. 2. He changed his clothes, borrowed his mother's car, and went out with friends to celebrate.
On the way home, he fell asleep at the wheel and had a head-on collision with a tree. He survived, but since he was newly discharged, he had no health insurance. "That was a mind-boggling thing to find out the first day he's out of the service," says his mother, Becky Wilf. "His bill was $54,000 just for the hospital. That doesn't include the surgeon."
Specialist Wilf is just one of thousands of Veteransreturning home from Iraq and Afghanistan who advocates contend are falling through the cracks of a federal system unprepared to deal with so many soldiers. After spending months in a war zone, many of the 170,000 soldiers who've returned home are struggling with their transition back to civilian life - from coping with a maze of red tape and contradictory messages on healthcareto finding affordable housingand jobswith adequate incomes to accessing disability payments.
One of the biggest problems, according to advocates and a report by the Government Accountability Office, is a lack of resources to deal with battle fatigue, or posttraumatic stress disorder,(PTSD) as it's now called. Another is providing support for Reserve and National Guard troops, who make up 45 percent
of the troops in Iraq.
They are worth fighting for. WE must fight for them, and FUND the system as it
should be funded
and accept NO political expediency or excuses, in their
Profane speech, which is barred from broadcast radio and television between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., is defined by the FCC as language that is "so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance," or epithets that tend "to provoke violent resentment."
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I'm sorry but its governed by the FCC....gotta play by the rules on this one....
If your going to slip one spot....whats to stop other shows??? oh geez leaving it up to the advertisers???
To the real heros who never came home. To the 19 year old PFC. that never got to live his dreams, get married or have children. To the 33 year old SSgt. that left behind his wife and children. To that same wife and kids that had to live their life with a hole in their heart and an empty spot at their dinner table. To the men who are disabled and have had their dreams and lives forever changed I say a simple thank you because words are not enough. You're the real heros. May God Bless you and keep you and may your country never forget what you did for those you never knew or met. May you rest easy.
we cannot dedicate--we cannot consecrate--we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here but it can never forget what they did here.
You're falling hook line and sinker for the Liberal propaganda regarding the election.
Where were you guys in October? You weren't screaming about the Conservative moral values that's for sure. It's the Liberal excuse for losing the election, and it's bull.
It's the new Liberal mantra (Those damn Christians lost us the election).
Instead of self reflection, they sit there and continue to point their finger.
In the middle of his term.
Republicans stole the governor's office, fair and square.
A recall, which is inherent in our legal and political system, is stealing the office?
Yeah ok.
a recall is not inherent. the purpose of a term is to prevent such silliness
Republicans stole the governor's office, fair and square.
Whatever gets you through the night, Rick.
Truth is, even the Democrats "stole the governors office".
Democratic turncoats were in on the heist. Some people are just fickle.
It had nothing to do with a horseshit Governor?
They got what they deserved with this recall
What happened to saying "please."
Don't know anything about the guy.
Republicans stole the governor's office, fair and square.
Stole? See this shows the core problem with democrats. They can't handle reality. Davis screwed things up. He deserved being ousted and he was ousted by the rules. The governorship was not stolen it was handed over through the political methods approved by the people of California.
That's just nutty.
Well, it's a nutty state.
California got what they deserved but you don't know anything about the guy?
Well Rick, then how would you know if they actually got what they deserved?
From what i've read, Californians are generally happy with Arnold.
It is often said, "All is fair in love and politics".
Since I now live and work in California, I can say with certainty that Ahnold was what the people there
wanted
. ANYONE butGray Davis. They did NOT like the guy, far back to before the election cycle/recall started. In fact, the only reason he was elected the last time was because the people saw him as lesser of the two evils on the ballot. That isn't "Nutty", it's common in many states, and soon in a
National Election
.
Ahnold's "Moderate" stand on most issues has resonated well with the people in California, and he will most likely be re-elected. He's the Governator now. More Moderates would certainbly be of benefit to ALL America.
But the truth is that as Governor, Gray Davis had little to do with the economic downturn that was racing-along full steam in California, and across the country. As anyone who can readshould know... The power industry stole so much from the people of California (and all of us), but California took the biggest shot of all, and it almost collapsed the entire economy there. WHO lead the power companies that brokered that economy into almost total bankruptcy? Gee, I wonder.
Gasoline there is still THE most expensive of anywhere in the U.S., but the economy there is improving slightly, as it is nationwide Slightly, and NOT because of anything Ahnold has done. All you have to do is read the papersout there to understand why he has done little to nothing that has impacted on their economic woes... But he is certainly an upbeat and
progressive
politician, open to all ideas right now, and Progressives usually do have success in such times...as history quite correctly shows, if anyone reads up on it, that is.
and Progressives usually do have success in such times...as history quite correctly shows, if anyone reads up on it, that is.
Hmmm... Reagan wasn't a progressive. at least not in the sense you mean.
Hey Torpedo, Bill Fold didn't strong arm me into deleting my post. As far as I can see, it's still there.
It is nutty to say that the Governorship was stolen.
It's absolute BS.
Well ain't that just goddamn magic. The post is back. Good to know Fold and TMK are in bed together.
Torp, I don't know what you're smoking. The post as far as I know was never removed. I don't think anyone can remove it then put it back. Not sure why you're so concerned with whose bed I'm in, but I sleep alone.
poor Torp
poor torp? what about TMK? He is the one that says he sleeps alone!
Torp, TMK wouldn't do that, nor could he. Only I can remove posts like that, and you have my word that I did not.
I believe you JT but i marked it and it disappeared.
I had moved a post by Bill Fold that was deleted. Maybe that screwed things up by putting things out of order?
Here's another one...
War Veterans Overloading VA
HeraldNet
October 4, 2004
Thousands of U.S. troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan
with physical injuries and mental health problems are encountering an overburdenedbenefits system, and officials and veterans groups worry that the challenge could grow as the nation remains at war.
The disability benefits and health care systems that provide services for about 5 million American veterans have been overloaded for decades, with a current backlog of more than 300,000 claims. And as of Aug. 1, nearly 150,000 National Guard and reservist veterans became eligible for health care and benefits because they were mobilized to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. That number is rising.
President Bush's budget for 2005 calls for cuttingthe Department of Veterans Affairs staff that handles benefits claims, and some veterans report long waitsfor benefits and
confusing claims decisions
.
Gee, and someone told me my facts were faulty.
THESE are the FACTS.
Â
[Edited by on Oct 4, 2004 at 05:15am.]
Yeah, just like Bush "cut" the 2004 budget because you thought the massive increase was not enough.
250,000Veterans are on our streets, 1/4 of a Million, each and every night, Homeless.
When will WE stop "
Breaking The Faith"
with those Veterans?
They all took an oath to Defend this country, and now they make home a cold and dreary doorway, or a steam-vent in New York city. PISSESme Off.
FULLY-FUND the VA
and still a 22 billion dollar increase is not enough for some.
Answer the question, Rick.
and still a 22 billion dollar increase is not enough for some.
Shit, to some people, that's a decrease.
yes, that's true.
United Press International
October 29, 2004
LOS ANGELES - A lineup of celebrities including Jack Klugman, Donna Mills, Connie Stevens and JoAnne Worley turned out for Veterans Appreciation Day -- an event intended to lift the spirits of hundreds of clients at a facility for homeless U.S. military veterans.
The stars served lunch to the veterans who are temporarily living at the Weingart Center in downtown Los Angeles, in the heart of the city's Skid Row district. A study conducted by the Weingart Institute concluded that veterans are twice as likely as non-veterans to become homeless and represent about 20 percent of the homeless population in Los Angeles.
Weingart Veterans Program manager Richard Caines told United Press International most of the clients at the center served in Vietnam, while the second-largest group is made up of Gulf War veterans. Klugman, who served in the U.S. Army during World War II, said he was surprised that so many of the veterans he met at the event knew who he was. "Most of them did," he said. "They knew about 'The Odd Couple' and 'Quincy.' I started to forget about it already."
Too many Veterans forget about the 1/4
Million
Vietnam Era Veterans who are now Homeless, each day, and living on the streets of the nation they pledged to fight for and support. They did so, many
in Combatin Vietnam, and yet they do not even have a place to call "home". The faith that they believed they were signing on for and that had been gfiven to so many for so long before that time, has been
denied them
. It is HIGH TIME we had a
War On Homelessness
for these, our most cheerished
Veterans and Heroes
.
My Opinion...
[Edited by on Oct 29, 2004 at 05:12am.]
Like I said. Stolen fair and square.
Denied homes? I highly doubt it.
More -Â On Homeless Veterans:
From The Nat. Coalition On Homeless Veterans
http://www.nchv.org
The President’s FY 2005 Budget, submitted to Congress in February 2004, included $19 million for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program, the same levelas appropriated to it in FY 2004. In late July, the Appropriations Committee in the House of Representatives approved a FY 2005 Labor-H appropriations measure with $19 million for HVRP. The Senate Labor-H subcommittee may mark up its version of a FY 2005 Labor-H appropriations bill in early September.
It STILL has Not Been Spent
.
Why this Matters:
off
of dependency on public programs.
only targeted employment program
for any homeless sub-population.
only
16,800 Homeless Veterans will be served through HVRP at the FY 2004 appropriation level of $19 million. This figure represents just
three percent of the overall homeless veteran population
, which the Department of Veterans Affairs estimates numbers more than 500,000 over the course of a year. (That is the THIRD figure I have seen in the last year OVER250,000.)
44,000 Homeless veterans
. (Still a sham, but at least an INCREASE.)
Background
The Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program (HVRP), within the Department of Labor’s Veterans Employment and Training Service (VETS), provides competitive grants to community-based, faith-based, and public organizations to offer outreach, job placement and supportive services to homeless veterans.Â
HVRP grants are intended to address two objectives: (a) to provide services to assist in reintegrating homeless veterans into meaningful employment within the labor force, and (b) to stimulate the development of effective service delivery systems that will address the complex problems facing homeless veterans.Â
HVRP grants are funded on a three-year cycle. In 2003, DOL funded HVRP 68 grantees in 32 states and the District of Columbia.
HVRP was first authorized in 1987 under the Stewart B. McKinney Homeless Assistance Act (now called the
McKinney-Vento
Homeless Assistance Act). Congress most recently reauthorized HVRP through FY 2006 at the $50 million level annually through the Homeless Veterans Comprehensive Assistance Act. (But they insult Veterans by funding only 1/3 of the money they
promised
.)
The FY 2004 appropriation for HVRP is $19 million.
OK... Less Than HALF....still, a PaltrySum. Of course, unless these Veterans are found and trained and guided into some useful existence by either the cummujnity OR a Bill such as this...then they will NEVER qualify themselves to BUY HOIMES, nor even rent an apartment. They will stay-put, on the Streets. Our ReturningG.I.s's, should be given every BIT of assistance we can offer them. They deserveit.
[Edited by on Oct 30, 2004 at 04:09am.]
Oh! An increase is a sham, now?
At least 19 million a year for 19 years including 2005 = 361 million.
Averaging 1987 to 2005 dollars to build a modest house, let's say 100K. That's over 3600 homes...... And that's a sham to Fold.
Â
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I wonder... Does this thing automatically post "Torpedo-8 Not On Your Discussion...bla, bla, bla...", as a Tag-Line after someone posts, or does he just have no life, outside of chasing Bill Fold around...???
Gotta make you wonder...
Maybe he wants to join the service...? Nah.
No stones
.
Â
Hey Fold, strongarm anyone else into deleting their posts lately?
Today, while we honor those who have served this great Nation in uniform, perhaps a fight
Worth
fighting, is this:
-----------------------------------------
Vets Return With No Healthcare
Christian Science Monitor
November 10, 2004
After serving 410 days in Iraq with the 1st Armored Division, Spc. Stuart Wilf came home to Colorado on Oct. 2. He changed his clothes, borrowed his mother's car, and went out with friends to celebrate.
On the way home, he fell asleep at the wheel and had a head-on collision with a tree. He survived, but since he was newly discharged, he had no health insurance. "That was a mind-boggling thing to find out the first day he's out of the service," says his mother, Becky Wilf. "His bill was $54,000 just for the hospital. That doesn't include the surgeon."
Specialist Wilf is just one of thousands of Veteransreturning home from Iraq and Afghanistan who advocates contend are falling through the cracks of a federal system unprepared to deal with so many soldiers. After spending months in a war zone, many of the 170,000 soldiers who've returned home are struggling with their transition back to civilian life - from coping with a maze of red tape and contradictory messages on healthcareto finding affordable housingand jobswith adequate incomes to accessing disability payments.
One of the biggest problems, according to advocates and a report by the Government Accountability Office, is a lack of resources to deal with battle fatigue, or posttraumatic stress disorder,(PTSD) as it's now called. Another is providing support for Reserve and National Guard troops, who make up
45 percent
of the troops in Iraq.
They are worth fighting for.
WE
must fight for them, and FUND the system as it
should be funded
and accept NO political expediency or excuses, in
their
honor.
Â
Â
Â
went out with friends to celebrate...................he fell asleep at the wheel..............
I bet there's a fighting chance a cocktail was involved.
probably, but you miss the point, as usual
TV stations canceling 'Ryan' telecast
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/11/movie.canceled.ap/index.html
This is stupid. If they give enough warnings, there shouldn't be an issue.
Why shouldn't it be an issue? I thought it's what all the FCC hearings and fines were about. Language and violence.
Why shouldn't it be an issue?
Because if you warn viewers, they can just turn the channel. No harm done.
Maybe you're right. Maybe that doesn't belong on broadcast TV where kids can see it.
Profane speech, which is barred from broadcast radio and television between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., is defined by the FCC as language that is "so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance," or epithets that tend "to provoke violent resentment."
Â
Â
I'm sorry but its governed by the FCC....gotta play by the rules on this one....
If your going to slip one spot....whats to stop other shows??? oh geez leaving it up to the advertisers???
To the real heros who never came home. To the 19 year old PFC. that never got to live his dreams, get married or have children. To the 33 year old SSgt. that left behind his wife and children. To that same wife and kids that had to live their life with a hole in their heart and an empty spot at their dinner table. To the men who are disabled and have had their dreams and lives forever changed I say a simple thank you because words are not enough. You're the real heros. May God Bless you and keep you and may your country never forget what you did for those you never knew or met. May you rest easy.
[Edited by on Nov 11, 2004 at 10:37am.]
Stephen Paul Thuet, Capt/Marine Corp. Killed in action Vietnam 2/20/68
Keith Allen Christophersen, LTJG/US Navy. Shot down over North Korea 1/21/73
Rest in Peace, Steve and Keith
we cannot dedicate--we cannot consecrate--we cannot
hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here,
have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The
world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here but it can
never forget what they did here.
A.L. -Gettyburg address -1863
You're falling hook line and sinker for the Liberal propaganda regarding the election.
Where were you guys in October? You weren't screaming about the Conservative moral values that's for sure. It's the Liberal excuse for losing the election, and it's bull.
It's the new Liberal mantra (Those damn Christians lost us the election).
Instead of self reflection, they sit there and continue to point their finger.
You've met the enemy, and it's you.
[Edited by on Nov 12, 2004 at 05:34am.]
"Instead of self reflection, they sit there and continue to point their finger."
So what aspect of the losing Kerry campaign should we be thoughtfully pondering?
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