What ever happened to taking people's word for things? Does she have to air her dirty laundry for everyone to see just for you to believe her? Come on!! That's not right! Scribe, THX, I respect you both... I hope ya know that.. but geeze!
heard stories of the vulcs lecherous ways - maybe some are true and some are not! I think these guys need to have their day in court before we tear em up! I truly hope it isnt true -
Reguardless of what happened or what didn't, I believe in the innocent until proven guilty thing... if he did do it, he should pay, if the girls are making up the stories, which it is a possibility, then they should get theirs.
What ever happened to taking people's word for things? Does she have to air her dirty laundry for everyone to see just for you to believe her? Come on!! That's not right! Scribe, THX, I respect you both... I hope ya know that.. but geeze!
I don't know why you all are taking this personal.
I just don't like convicting all Vulcans past, present and future on something that is very questionable in my mind.
I hear "The Vulcs have a reputation", well so does Alarys.
Oh gosh. I guess I misunderstood when you asked me "what is your first hand experience" and "so tell me about it" and "I was asking you to enlighten me", in reference to my experience. I thought you were looking for details.
exactly - look at the outfits come on!! got to exploit yourself to earn a tip>>?? former topless bar as well ??? rich history of sinfulness or laciviousness?? sounds like the places i used to hang out in!
BUT... just because they're dressed that way doesn't mean they condoned any of what happened.. it doesn't mean they asked for it.. .it's just like saying every woman who dresses skanky is a slut... ya know? It's the same principal. To say just because they were dressed that way that they asked for it? That's unfair.
I've never been in a topless bar, a strip joint...
I did go to a video store once, but only cuz my buddys roomate worked there.
:i just because they're dressed that way doesn't mean they condoned any of what happened
What exactly happened? Currently it's all hersay and conjecture, yet the Vulcs are being convicted because they have a "reputation".
Don't get me wrong, and I'll say again, if this happened, they should hang, and they've done a grave disservice to the Vulcans at large. But right now it's just he said she said...
it's just like saying every woman who dresses skanky is a slut
It doesn't mean they're a slut. It just means they're skanky.
Yeah, that's weird THX. Why would Alary's take the site down unless they think they might either be accused of something or think they are guilty for some reason. Hmm....inquiring minds want to know.
No, no one said that, MM. They said people who dress in a particular manner sometimes are conveying something. I have purple hair. I am conveying that I like bright colors. And to some, it's conveying that I like punk music.
If someone gets a job wearing next to nothing, someone would think that they are conveying that they liked to be looked at and that they think their body looks good. Some people may also think that they are conveying that they are easy.
And that's when it got personal. Questioning if I had any valid proof or just rumors. And also when THX insinuated that my daughter's friend was one stop up from a stripper. This girl was Valdictorian of her class and is in pre-med. The hours were right for her schedule and she made good money. However, when she disagreed with the owner about how they were to dress, she left.
well... isn't that the same principal as.. just because a girl dresses slutty doesn't mean she's a slut? I dunno.. it just seemed like it was implied that just because the girls were dressed the way they were it was like they asked for it or something. My bad if that's NOT the way it was interpreted.
I was attempting to debate the fact that this happens more than you know. And usually goes unreported because, hey! it's carnival. And these are the Vulcan's. Relax and enjoy girls, it's all in fun. But someone finally stood up to them.Â
I didn't say that they asked for it. I'm saying that it could be assumed by people with indecent intentions that they are asking for it based on what their job uniform is.
That being said, they chose to wear that uniform and therefore chose to take on that "reputation" whether it was their own or not. Guys are stupid. They think if a girl dresses like that it means she easy. Girls are smarter than that and should realize that that's what happens in guys heads when they dress in a particular manner. The woman OT knows obviously knew that and was smart enough to quit.
I'm not condoning them touching the girls, but again, they put themselves in the situation by working there. They could've quit.
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this forum is invitational post away!
This forum is open to all.
:-)
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:24pm.]
I jus think it's wrong to classify every woman as being powerless, nieve, and stupid,
It's that what's kinda going on here? Aren't some people here saying they were powerless?
We can just call it a misunderstanding then.
I was under the presupposition that you were coming into this debate prepared in defending your position factually.
I didn't expect that it would have personal connontations.
Some are and some aren't. Some seem to think it's just so easy to stand up for themselves...
What ever happened to taking people's word for things? Does she have to air her dirty laundry for everyone to see just for you to believe her? Come on!! That's not right! Scribe, THX, I respect you both... I hope ya know that.. but geeze!
Well, I'm not bringing it here, but I'd be prepared to present it in front of a judge. Picture and all.
fun thread where we can giggle and shit or this another serious one?
 by the way - you like
<-----my pew picture i had taken for my passport?
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:32pm.]
What ever happened to taking people's word for things?
Hmmm, maybe OT is right. Niave.
Get it right. I did not ask OT to air any dirty laundry. Only to explain herself.
Stop trying to turn this into something it was not.
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:33pm.]
lol Randy!!
If there was snow on the ground I'd prolly throw a snowball atchu!
well I dunno.. I guess I just took explaining yourself as meaning the same thing. She shouldn't have to explain herself... not to anyone.
heard stories of the vulcs lecherous ways - maybe some are true and some are not! I think these guys need to have their day in court before we tear em up! I truly hope it isnt true -
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:35pm.]
RR, you been drinkin'?
Reguardless of what happened or what didn't, I believe in the innocent until proven guilty thing... if he did do it, he should pay, if the girls are making up the stories, which it is a possibility, then they should get theirs.
dont have sheeot to do on a friday night - 2 kids in bed -wife snorings - lets rock
you see my post the other day about being found with YOU passed out on your basement floor?
lol U just wanna get spanked ;)
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*gets out the big ole paddle*
:D
M. Explaining yourself is not only an imperaitive in healthy debate but it is also the cornerstone in effective communication.
I am simply not any good at reading minds. Simpleton as I am, I expect people to be able to converse in a clear manner.
[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:39pm.]
What ever happened to taking people's word for things? Does she have to air her dirty laundry for everyone to see just for you to believe her? Come on!! That's not right! Scribe, THX, I respect you both... I hope ya know that.. but geeze!
I don't know why you all are taking this personal.
I just don't like convicting all Vulcans past, present and future on something that is very questionable in my mind.
I hear "The Vulcs have a reputation", well so does Alarys.
Oh gosh. I guess I misunderstood when you asked me "what is your first hand experience" and "so tell me about it" and "I was asking you to enlighten me", in reference to my experience. I thought you were looking for details.
THX I see what you're saying.. I really do... same goes for Scribe.
exactly - look at the outfits come on!! got to exploit yourself to earn a tip>>?? former topless bar as well ??? rich history of sinfulness or laciviousness?? sounds like the places i used to hang out in!
I can converse with the best of them. Don't be pulling out that card.
BUT... just because they're dressed that way doesn't mean they condoned any of what happened.. it doesn't mean they asked for it.. .it's just like saying every woman who dresses skanky is a slut... ya know? It's the same principal. To say just because they were dressed that way that they asked for it? That's unfair.
That Alarys took down their web site.
When I started it, I never thought it would get 100+ posts in a matter of hours.
Of course I was asking for details. You inquired that I didn't know something. I gave you the chance to simply educate me on the matter.
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[Edited by on Feb 11, 2005 at 08:47pm.]
you see my post the other day about being found with YOU passed out on your basement floor?
Yeah, what was up with that??
OT, the word "people" in that post was used as a generality.
 It was not referring to you.
I was responding to what M said.
Agreed Randy.
sounds like the places i used to hang out in!
LOL
I've never been in a topless bar, a strip joint...
I did go to a video store once, but only cuz my buddys roomate worked there.
:i just because they're dressed that way doesn't mean they condoned any of what happened
What exactly happened? Currently it's all hersay and conjecture, yet the Vulcs are being convicted because they have a "reputation".
Don't get me wrong, and I'll say again, if this happened, they should hang, and they've done a grave disservice to the Vulcans at large. But right now it's just he said she said...
it's just like saying every woman who dresses skanky is a slut
It doesn't mean they're a slut. It just means they're skanky.
Yeah, what was up with that??
Hey Frosti, if we went camping and you woke up.....
but is it fair to say that just because they were dressed the way they were dressed that they asked for what ever happened?
Yeah, that's weird THX. Why would Alary's take the site down unless they think they might either be accused of something or think they are guilty for some reason. Hmm....inquiring minds want to know.
You asked me to explain myself? How do I explain myself without giving details that I'm not going to give in here?Â
LOL THX that's bad!!
OT, I only went off what you brought up.
How could I have possibly known that it was an issue for you?
Once again. Not good at reading minds.
No, no one said that, MM. They said people who dress in a particular manner sometimes are conveying something. I have purple hair. I am conveying that I like bright colors. And to some, it's conveying that I like punk music.
If someone gets a job wearing next to nothing, someone would think that they are conveying that they liked to be looked at and that they think their body looks good. Some people may also think that they are conveying that they are easy.
It's all a matter of opinion.
but is it fair to say that just because they were dressed the way they were dressed that they asked for what ever happened?
Absolutely not!
But is it fair to convict the Vulcs just because they have a "reputation"?
If OT doesn't want to explain herself, then she doesn't have to explain herself.
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To be fair, then, the debate really ends there or should take a different path.
And that's when it got personal. Questioning if I had any valid proof or just rumors. And also when THX insinuated that my daughter's friend was one stop up from a stripper. This girl was Valdictorian of her class and is in pre-med. The hours were right for her schedule and she made good money. However, when she disagreed with the owner about how they were to dress, she left.
I think we should all take a mind reading class. It'd make posting on these boards at times A LOT easier.
:::flips through yellow pages for psychic training classes:::
well... isn't that the same principal as.. just because a girl dresses slutty doesn't mean she's a slut? I dunno.. it just seemed like it was implied that just because the girls were dressed the way they were it was like they asked for it or something. My bad if that's NOT the way it was interpreted.
THX no.. it's not fair. I agree with you, 100 %.
Good for her! So what are we debating then?
The girls that didn't quit?
Questioning if I had any valid proof or just rumors.
Thats getting personal? Goodness gracious you have very short boundaries.(Admittedly THAT was personal:)
If OT doesn't want to explain herself, then she doesn't have to explain herself.
Well then I don't have to explain myself, and neither does anyone else.
And also when THX insinuated that my daughter's friend was one stop up from a stripper.
That didn't come out right. However, it's obvious what the "uniform" will be if you're going to be working there.
However, when she disagreed with the owner about how they were to dress, she left.
Well good for her, and it's too bad that she even had to go through that, but that's a whole nother discussion.
THX, you sweet talker you.
I was attempting to debate the fact that this happens more than you know. And usually goes unreported because, hey! it's carnival. And these are the Vulcan's. Relax and enjoy girls, it's all in fun. But someone finally stood up to them.Â
I didn't say that they asked for it. I'm saying that it could be assumed by people with indecent intentions that they are asking for it based on what their job uniform is.
That being said, they chose to wear that uniform and therefore chose to take on that "reputation" whether it was their own or not. Guys are stupid. They think if a girl dresses like that it means she easy. Girls are smarter than that and should realize that that's what happens in guys heads when they dress in a particular manner. The woman OT knows obviously knew that and was smart enough to quit.
I'm not condoning them touching the girls, but again, they put themselves in the situation by working there. They could've quit.
Yes, that was getting personal. And grow up!