Think about it. The game was in Milwaukee. The Brewers are how good? It's been like 20 years since they were in a World Series. They get that much talent there, they want their moneys worth. I think they were just hoping the game would go on so the rest of the season would be put on hold, and they wouldn't have to return to the reality that is called the Milwaukee Brewers.
There's more than just rowdy's from Chicago that are pissed about Selig calling the game but I would agree with you. No one really cares about who wins the Allstar game anyway. They just wanted to party and see all those great players together at once.
2001 flashbacks for Twins fans? Not likely. The team is a year older, they've gone through the pennant chase and have that experience. They should be getting back two of their top starters back for the stretch run. The team has fought through the adversity of almost being contracted, of dealing with a number of injuries to key people. Yet other players have stepped up to perform and they are in first place. Heck, we just had a west coast trip against Oakland and Seattle, two of the better teams in the league, and I think we split with them. I'd say that's pretty good going into the all-star break.
why, because the only got to see a full 11 innings of baseball? because they saw more players take the field than any other all-star game in 73 years? because both managers were asking to see bud as early as the 10th inning about calling the game? Â Â
So the next time I go to a game should I be happy about a tie because the rest of the game was good ?
anybody that was sober and knows the game, knew it that the right thing to do. what would've been the backlash if bud had let the game go, but one of those players came up gimping, especially from a front-running team? bud did the right thing. maybe instead of having the house announcer do it, he should've had sexson or some other player explain to the fans that it was time to draw a line in the sand, that they were out of pitchers.
What if they got hurt in the first inning ? A pitcher would have eventually gotten tired and served one up. Hurt ? Here's where some people have a problem with that, these guys make millions and don't want to put an extra inning or two in because they are worried about getting hurt or having to return to their teams having to pitch with little rest, fine don't play in the stupid all star game to begin with. Good grief we aren't talking about rugby here, what a bunch of Mary's. I realize that it's just a showcase p.r thing and as I said I don't like them anyways but if you're gonna play, play, other all star games have gone longer as well and they didn't pull the plug on that one. Besides, you'd think with all the steroids these guys would be a little tougher.
If they are that worried about getting players hurt then they should wait until after the season is over to have the all star game.
The calling of the all star game was just another example of the nature of the beast. A bunch of prima donna's out of touch with the general population.
I didn't watch the game last night. I hardly ever watch the All-Star game anymore, because it's nothing but a popularity contest. The best players in a given year often don't make it.
I think people in the know ought to pick the team. Turn it over to sports writers. There may be fewer prima donnas and more guys like the Twins delegation, who appreciate being there.
I can't get to worked up about calling it after 11 innings. What's interminable for me is the three days without regular season play. I'm anxious for the second half of the season to start.
So the next time I go to a game should I be happy about a tie because the rest of the game was good ?
the next time you go to a game, be happy that your key players are playing in a game that counts, not sitting on the bench with an injury from the all-star game.
these guys make millions and don't want to put an extra inning or two in because they are worried about getting hurt
not worried about, but rather beginning to get hurt: the last NL pitcher on the mound (padilla) went to the NL manager (brenly) and told him he was getting tight. brenly in turn told selig that he did not want padilla to throw any more pitches.
would you really have been so quick to say the same thing if guardado were on the mound and getting tight? and what would've been the reaction to selig if padilla did get sent home used up after extra innings and/or gimped?
selig was just the messenger.
if you're gonna play, play
other all star games have gone longer as well and they didn't pull the plug
you've unwittingly hit on the problem: fans want to see their team's players actually playing in the all-star game, so the managers feel obligated to give everybody at least some playing time. additionally, most of the guys in at the end of the game were not voted on by fans, but were selected by that year's manager to go. so in part, the quick rotation of players is part ego trip by the respective managers and the players themselves.
this scenario of running out of players has never happened before, because the "get everyone out there" mentality has only come into vogue in the last 10 years.
If they are that worried about getting players hurt
selig just needs to lay down some new ground rules to deal with the change in managing the all-star game, that's all.
end of the season? i'm a much bigger football fan than baseball, and even i don't watch the probowl. there's just no interest once the championship is done.
the other drawback is players are really beat up by season's end.
Machias, I agree with you partially but there job is to play ball even if it's a meaningless all-star game which frankly I think are bad ideas for some of the exact reasons you sight but the game was scheduled and the players picked and the game went on. There has never been a tie in an all star game. So should teams quit and call a tie if they are 23 games out of first with only 5 games left to play ? Those games are pretty meaningless too and there's a chance of injury. I just find it sad that guys getting paid millions to supposedly do something they love call it quits because they are worried about getting hurt, as I said we aren't talking rugby here. I'd have felt no different if it were Guardado etc. I mean what if Tori Hunter ripped his hamstring going up to rob Bonds? It can happen just as well then. The fans paid to see a baseball game and they got most but not all their monies worth. Selig had other options such as allowing another pitcher to come back in or letting an outfielder pitch which would have put the game away quickly. Granted neither would be a perfect ending but they should have played it out. Instead of quitting. Personally i think they should forgo the all-star/pro-bowl etc. games. But they make money for the leauge I suppose and to me was more proof positive that baseball puts the fans last.
The all-star game has ended in a tie once before. They were talking about it during the game. It was back in the 60s or 70s I think. The game was called at the end of 9 innings I believe, but that was after there had been a rain delay earlier in the game. The all-star game has changed over time. A while ago, Pete Rose ran over catcher Roy Fosse to score a run. After that collision, Fosse was never a good player again. Also, players are changing teams more often, they are getting to know the players from the other teams and make friendships. They don't want to do something that could injure the other players in an exhibition. Yeah, if it's the playoffs and you have to take out your best friend at shortstop to break up a double play, you wil. Not in a game like this though. I read somewhere that when the all-star game was last in Baltimore, Mike Mussina was a member of the american league team. He didn't get in, and the hometown fans there were really angry with that. I would think something like that would move the managers to try and get all of the players into the game. There is talk of having players go longer. I can see that with the position players. But it's harder with the pitchers. I think it was back in '99 that the all-star game was in Boston. Pedro and Schilling started the game pitching. Both went on the disabled list in the second half of the season. Sometimes it can't be helped, sometimes it could. This year, they felt it was a chance where it could be helped. Yeah, the all-star game is for the fans. I don't think baseball or fans want to be saying things like "what would have happened if we didn't lose Freddie Garcia to injury from pitching so long in the all-star game?" It could have even happened to a position player who came in to pitch. If you had a position player pitch, that meant that the pitcher who was in would have to go field and continue batting. The position player could blow out his arm (like Jose Canseco did, and that affected his career), or the pitcher could injure himself in the field, batting, or running the bases. Actually, I hope and think this could be a blessing in disguise. There's been all this talk about the possible strike from the labor dispute. Fans are unhappy, and with good reason. Maybe this will be more incentive for both sides to get together and get something worked out.
When we moved back to Minnesota, I really looked forward to the seeing the Twins. My wife keeps telling me that I don't have to worry and they're not going away, but every disappointment like this brings on the same doubts. I cant help but think that one morning I'm going to wake up and this won't be a Major League city anymore.
I am disappointed too that it looks like the stadium took another step back. I think you are way off base that most people would be happy to see them go or that they do so out of spite. On the contrary and I think the latest example was perfect of the real problem. Mayor Kelly wisely told them to forget it. St.Paul had the audacity to say, hey we will invest as well, we'll spend the money create infastruvcture and see if our taxpayers will approve the hospitalitly increase, all we want from you is an exclusivity agreement. They couldn't even do that because as Jerry Bell said, our first priority is selling the team. Gee I thought it should be the pennant race but obviously the truth slipped out.
What I would like to know from you and others who support a new stadium at seemingly any cost is this.
At what point is it baseball's fault and not the fans or community ?
I mean the blame from your end is seemingly one sided. I hear you constantly rail against the fans and states lack of support. Why is it never baseball's fault ? The only thing I've ever really heard you say is that in a nutshell, yea, it's screwed up but it's just the way it is. C'mon, it;s the Twins. I've heard many say things along those lines as well without ever really taking baseball to task.
So I ask, at what point is it there (baseball's) fault ?
So here we have it, we have a game with overpriced talent who've outstripped revenue by a huge margin. We have a commisioner who has a conflict of intrerest. We have cities being pitted against eachother and being blackmailed. We can't finish an all star game because we wouldn't want to get hurt. We have those same overpayed players now threatining to go on strike if they don't get more which will hurt baseball even worse and make their problems larger. We put much of that aside and said hey, we'll look past some of that even though I know you have problems, here's what we'll do, we want an exclusivity agreement if we do all these things for you. They said,,,,,,,,,NO. Well It must be lack of fan support right ? JT was correct baseball has changed. Way too much I fear from the grand grey lady she was to a senile mean old woman who cannot be reasoned with.
Baseball has also become much like an addict in that it will not change it's ways until forced to do so. When there are fewer and fewer teams and it's essentially some teams in California and New York and a couple here and there the interest as a national sport goes down and baseball as we know it will wither and die on the vine.
Given a couple days, I'm glad the deal fell through in St. Paul. I think they would have voted it out like they did in the past, and the disappointment would be harder to take.
"we have a game with overpriced talent who've outstripped revenue by a huge margin. We have a commisioner who has a conflict of intrerest. We have cities being pitted against eachother and being blackmailed. We can't finish an all star game because we wouldn't want to get hurt. We have those same overpayed players now threatening to go on strike if they don't get more which will hurt baseball even worse and make their problems larger."
Which of those problems could the Twin Cities solve? If you want to call it blackmail fine. But its not like that state gets NOTHING out of the transaction. There's still a team and a brand new stadium
What do you get out of the alternative? I think it's better to hang with baseball, and hope things work out. But the onus is on them to solve the problems. And, believe me, baseball was no Grand Grey Lady. It's always been contentous, raucous and a little seedy. The old saying goes: if you want to know America, you know baseball. That means a lot of things, said and unsaid.
In the end you do what's right for the Twin Cities. I guess St. Paul gave us it's answer about what's right couple years ago and it probably would do it again. Fine.
But I wouldn't abandon my loyalty to the Twins because I have to pay 10 cents more for cheeseburger in St. Paul, I know that.
Loyalty, there's an interesting word, how much "loyalty" has MLB shown to us? NONE, they would pack up overnight an a heartbeart and screw fans for a nickel.
I don't think paying 10 cents more for a burger is the issue, at least it's not for me. Obviously I am/was oppposed to just plain writing out a check. I actually liked the last proposal that the legislature passed and found it an acceptable compromise. Of course within hours Jerry dumBell was crying the blues about a roof before the ink was dry. (A bad p.r move) That aside it was a good compromise. It seems the Twins aren't willing to compromise and that's where my problem is at this point.
But let's get to the root of why people feel the way they do. It has nothing to do with being disloyal. It has everything to do with thier attitude. It seems unless we just say o.k here's a paid for stadium with no strings they won't be happy. And why do they want/need a stadium? Money, plain and simple because they've mismanaged their business in a horrible manner. It's also because we are smart enough to know that it will do ZIP to alleviate the problems. The only thing I see as the fans fault is that once we did this for a team 20 years ago the precedence was set because we kept fooling ourselves that baseball would fix itself. It hasn't and you know that but perhaps you could explain why or how you think the fans have any blame.
So what's the deal are we going to have a strike ? Yes/No ?
I hope not, what a shame it would be if we threw this season away. We are going to lose alot of these players next year because Pohlad the tight wad if he still owns the team will not pay these guys enough to stay and we will be back to a mid nineties type squad that resembles a triple A' farm club. If they're even still here.
If they do strike I am done with MLB. I don't say that lightly, I have been a Twins fan my whole life but it's just a game, one that I enjoy but one I can no longer put my heart into if they allow it to happen. This whole season would be thrown away. Hopefully they can iron it out, I know I'm not the only one who feels this way that if they don't I will be done giving them any support and spend my time doing other things. Baseball is at a crossroads right now and this will be huge.
This whole season would be thrown away. Hopefully they can iron it out, I know I'm not the only one who feels this way that if they don't I will be done giving them any support and spend my time doing other things.
Maybe like reading a biography of Jefferson Davis or a history of the southern perspective of the civil war??!!!!!!!!!
"Yeah, Jethro finished up reading Mein Kampf the last baseball strike."
Now, my first reaction is to laugh at that, but I don't know if it's the right thing to do. Humor gets so caustic and biting here, I've lost track of the threshold for when it goes over the top.
It's hard to tell sometimes when a person is just having fun and being sarcastic because printed words don't give you voice inflection or facial expressions that let you know someone is just having fun with you. So it's hard to tell sometimes the spirit in which it was meant. Now if we are talking about a Bill-Jethro exchange there's no doubt of the intention of the poster.
But for the record, I did try to read "Mein Kampf" at one time. It was written God awfully. If you are interested you can read it here: http://www.stormfront.org/books/mein_kampf/
"I know you are not as ignorant as to really believe there is any comparison between Hitler and Jeff Davis, jt"
Everyone gets called either a Nazi or Hitler. I don't know why Jeff Davis should get left out.
Hitler had more loyalty to his country than the doublecrossing traitor Jeff Davis had to his, though.
I don't know how the Confederacy could find a man they could trust enough to be president. It you're willing to betray your own country, how hard would it be for you to betray another?
I did try to read "Mein Kampf" at one time. It was written God awfully.
the guy was wacked and in prison; what do you expect? for a point of reference regarding atheistic authors in prison, see the marquis de sade's "120 days of sodomy" (machias got raised eyebrows when his inter-library request for that one crossed the counter.) for scary nazis, read "inside the third reich" by reichsminister albert speer. speer was the organizational genius that allowed hitler to have all of those little nazis on his shoe-zis even though the allies were bombing the crap out of deutschland. then read "albert speer: his battle with truth," for speer's post-war morality check.
Think about it. The game was in Milwaukee. The Brewers are how good? It's been like 20 years since they were in a World Series. They get that much talent there, they want their moneys worth. I think they were just hoping the game would go on so the rest of the season would be put on hold, and they wouldn't have to return to the reality that is called the Milwaukee Brewers.
There's more than just rowdy's from Chicago that are pissed about Selig calling the game but I would agree with you. No one really cares about who wins the Allstar game anyway. They just wanted to party and see all those great players together at once.
It's been like 20 years since they were in a World Series.
They get that much talent there, they want their moneys worth.
so the rest of the season would be put on hold
the reality that is called the Milwaukee Brewers
They just wanted to party and see all those great players together at once.
2001 flashbacks for Twins fans? Not likely. The team is a year older, they've gone through the pennant chase and have that experience. They should be getting back two of their top starters back for the stretch run. The team has fought through the adversity of almost being contracted, of dealing with a number of injuries to key people. Yet other players have stepped up to perform and they are in first place. Heck, we just had a west coast trip against Oakland and Seattle, two of the better teams in the league, and I think we split with them. I'd say that's pretty good going into the all-star break.
I'd almost agree with ya Machias but, the fans paid for their tickets, they should have gotten a full game.
I agree they should set a limit on the number of innings for future Allstar games. Then there's no question, end of story.
Machias,
So the next time I go to a game should I be happy about a tie because the rest of the game was good ?
What if they got hurt in the first inning ?
A pitcher would have eventually gotten tired and served one up. Hurt ? Here's where some people have a problem with that, these guys make millions and don't want to put an extra inning or two in because they are worried about getting hurt or having to return to their teams having to pitch with little rest, fine don't play in the stupid all star game to begin with. Good grief we aren't talking about rugby here, what a bunch of Mary's. I realize that it's just a showcase p.r thing and as I said I don't like them anyways but if you're gonna play, play, other all star games have gone longer as well and they didn't pull the plug on that one. Besides, you'd think with all the steroids these guys would be a little tougher.
If they are that worried about getting players hurt then they should wait until after the season is over to have the all star game.
Besides, you'd think with all the steroids these guys would be a little tougher.
LOL!
Yeah, but with the steroids they're using, they don't have the balls to tough it out.
The calling of the all star game was just another example of the nature of the beast. A bunch of prima donna's out of touch with the general population.
I didn't watch the game last night. I hardly ever watch the All-Star game anymore, because it's nothing but a popularity contest. The best players in a given year often don't make it.
I think people in the know ought to pick the team. Turn it over to sports writers. There may be fewer prima donnas and more guys like the Twins delegation, who appreciate being there.
I can't get to worked up about calling it after 11 innings. What's interminable for me is the three days without regular season play. I'm anxious for the second half of the season to start.
So the next time I go to a game should I be happy about a tie because the rest of the game was good ?
these guys make millions and don't want to put an extra inning or two in because they are worried about getting hurt
if you're gonna play, play
other all star games have gone longer as well and they didn't pull the plug
If they are that worried about getting players hurt
Machias, I agree with you partially but there job is to play ball even if it's a meaningless all-star game which frankly I think are bad ideas for some of the exact reasons you sight but the game was scheduled and the players picked and the game went on. There has never been a tie in an all star game. So should teams quit and call a tie if they are 23 games out of first with only 5 games left to play ? Those games are pretty meaningless too and there's a chance of injury. I just find it sad that guys getting paid millions to supposedly do something they love call it quits because they are worried about getting hurt, as I said we aren't talking rugby here. I'd have felt no different if it were Guardado etc. I mean what if Tori Hunter ripped his hamstring going up to rob Bonds? It can happen just as well then. The fans paid to see a baseball game and they got most but not all their monies worth. Selig had other options such as allowing another pitcher to come back in or letting an outfielder pitch which would have put the game away quickly. Granted neither would be a perfect ending but they should have played it out. Instead of quitting. Personally i think they should forgo the all-star/pro-bowl etc. games. But they make money for the leauge I suppose and to me was more proof positive that baseball puts the fans last.
The all-star game has ended in a tie once before. They were talking about it during the game. It was back in the 60s or 70s I think. The game was called at the end of 9 innings I believe, but that was after there had been a rain delay earlier in the game. The all-star game has changed over time. A while ago, Pete Rose ran over catcher Roy Fosse to score a run. After that collision, Fosse was never a good player again. Also, players are changing teams more often, they are getting to know the players from the other teams and make friendships. They don't want to do something that could injure the other players in an exhibition. Yeah, if it's the playoffs and you have to take out your best friend at shortstop to break up a double play, you wil. Not in a game like this though. I read somewhere that when the all-star game was last in Baltimore, Mike Mussina was a member of the american league team. He didn't get in, and the hometown fans there were really angry with that. I would think something like that would move the managers to try and get all of the players into the game. There is talk of having players go longer. I can see that with the position players. But it's harder with the pitchers. I think it was back in '99 that the all-star game was in Boston. Pedro and Schilling started the game pitching. Both went on the disabled list in the second half of the season. Sometimes it can't be helped, sometimes it could. This year, they felt it was a chance where it could be helped. Yeah, the all-star game is for the fans. I don't think baseball or fans want to be saying things like "what would have happened if we didn't lose Freddie Garcia to injury from pitching so long in the all-star game?" It could have even happened to a position player who came in to pitch. If you had a position player pitch, that meant that the pitcher who was in would have to go field and continue batting. The position player could blow out his arm (like Jose Canseco did, and that affected his career), or the pitcher could injure himself in the field, batting, or running the bases. Actually, I hope and think this could be a blessing in disguise. There's been all this talk about the possible strike from the labor dispute. Fans are unhappy, and with good reason. Maybe this will be more incentive for both sides to get together and get something worked out.
Harmon Killebrew was injured horribly in an All-Star game. After that, I've heard people say he wasn't near the player he was.
Ron Coomer went to the all-star game. After that, I heard he wasn't nearly the player he was....
But Coomer has job security for now. He's with the Yankees. Not much chance of them dissolving or going anywhere.
Great fans in New York and the city supports its teams
You won't hear wrangling over a new Yankee Stadium. It will be built.
St. Paul's out. Sports haters are rejoicing.
When we moved back to Minnesota, I really looked forward to the seeing the Twins. My wife keeps telling me that I don't have to worry and they're not going away, but every disappointment like this brings on the same doubts. I cant help but think that one morning I'm going to wake up and this won't be a Major League city anymore.
And that there will be people happy about it.
This state's changed.
Baseball's changed.
I cant help but think that one morning I'm going to wake up and this won't be a Major League city anymore.
And your world will go on much like it is now.
In every way but one, I suppose.
Rick,
I am disappointed too that it looks like the stadium took another step back. I think you are way off base that most people would be happy to see them go or that they do so out of spite. On the contrary and I think the latest example was perfect of the real problem. Mayor Kelly wisely told them to forget it. St.Paul had the audacity to say, hey we will invest as well, we'll spend the money create infastruvcture and see if our taxpayers will approve the hospitalitly increase, all we want from you is an exclusivity agreement. They couldn't even do that because as Jerry Bell said, our first priority is selling the team. Gee I thought it should be the pennant race but obviously the truth slipped out.
What I would like to know from you and others who support a new stadium at seemingly any cost is this.
At what point is it baseball's fault and not the fans or community ?
I mean the blame from your end is seemingly one sided. I hear you constantly rail against the fans and states lack of support. Why is it never baseball's fault ? The only thing I've ever really heard you say is that in a nutshell, yea, it's screwed up but it's just the way it is. C'mon, it;s the Twins. I've heard many say things along those lines as well without ever really taking baseball to task.
So I ask, at what point is it there (baseball's) fault ?
So here we have it, we have a game with overpriced talent who've outstripped revenue by a huge margin. We have a commisioner who has a conflict of intrerest. We have cities being pitted against eachother and being blackmailed. We can't finish an all star game because we wouldn't want to get hurt. We have those same overpayed players now threatining to go on strike if they don't get more which will hurt baseball even worse and make their problems larger. We put much of that aside and said hey, we'll look past some of that even though I know you have problems, here's what we'll do, we want an exclusivity agreement if we do all these things for you. They said,,,,,,,,,NO. Well It must be lack of fan support right ? JT was correct baseball has changed. Way too much I fear from the grand grey lady she was to a senile mean old woman who cannot be reasoned with.
Baseball has also become much like an addict in that it will not change it's ways until forced to do so. When there are fewer and fewer teams and it's essentially some teams in California and New York and a couple here and there the interest as a national sport goes down and baseball as we know it will wither and die on the vine.
Given a couple days, I'm glad the deal fell through in St. Paul. I think they would have voted it out like they did in the past, and the disappointment would be harder to take.
"we have a game with overpriced talent who've outstripped revenue by a huge margin. We have a commisioner who has a conflict of intrerest. We have cities being pitted against eachother and being blackmailed. We can't finish an all star game because we wouldn't want to get hurt. We have those same overpayed players now threatening to go on strike if they don't get more which will hurt baseball even worse and make their problems larger."
Which of those problems could the Twin Cities solve? If you want to call it blackmail fine. But its not like that state gets NOTHING out of the transaction. There's still a team and a brand new stadium
What do you get out of the alternative? I think it's better to hang with baseball, and hope things work out. But the onus is on them to solve the problems. And, believe me, baseball was no Grand Grey Lady. It's always been contentous, raucous and a little seedy. The old saying goes: if you want to know America, you know baseball. That means a lot of things, said and unsaid.
In the end you do what's right for the Twin Cities. I guess St. Paul gave us it's answer about what's right couple years ago and it probably would do it again. Fine.
I'll ask again.
At what point is it baseball's fault and not the fans or community ?
They're both the blame.
But I wouldn't abandon my loyalty to the Twins because I have to pay 10 cents more for cheeseburger in St. Paul, I know that.
If you've reached that breaking point, fine.
Rick,
How so? could you elaborate.
Loyalty, there's an interesting word, how much "loyalty" has MLB shown to us? NONE, they would pack up overnight an a heartbeart and screw fans for a nickel.
I don't think paying 10 cents more for a burger is the issue, at least it's not for me. Obviously I am/was oppposed to just plain writing out a check. I actually liked the last proposal that the legislature passed and found it an acceptable compromise. Of course within hours Jerry dumBell was crying the blues about a roof before the ink was dry. (A bad p.r move) That aside it was a good compromise. It seems the Twins aren't willing to compromise and that's where my problem is at this point.
But let's get to the root of why people feel the way they do. It has nothing to do with being
disloyal. It has everything to do with thier attitude. It seems unless we just say o.k here's a paid for stadium with no strings they won't be happy. And why do they want/need a stadium? Money, plain and simple because they've mismanaged their business in a horrible manner. It's also because we are smart enough to know that it will do ZIP to alleviate the problems. The only thing I see as the fans fault is that once we did this for a team 20 years ago the precedence was set because we kept fooling ourselves that baseball would fix itself. It hasn't and you know that but perhaps you could explain why or how you think the fans have any blame.
They loyal fans that support some type of stadium deal aren't to blame. There's been some hard work done in that area. I probably wasn't clear, there.
Beyond that, I can't add anything new to this debate, Rob.
You know where I stand.
So what's the deal are we going to have a strike ? Yes/No ?
I hope not, what a shame it would be if we threw this season away. We are going to lose alot of these players next year because Pohlad the tight wad if he still owns the team will not pay these guys enough to stay and we will be back to a mid nineties type squad that resembles a triple A' farm club. If they're even still here.
If they do strike I am done with MLB. I don't say that lightly, I have been a Twins fan my whole life but it's just a game, one that I enjoy but one I can no longer put my heart into if they allow it to happen.
This whole season would be thrown away. Hopefully they can iron it out, I know I'm not the only one who feels this way that if they don't I will be done giving them any support and spend my time doing other things. Baseball is at a crossroads right now and this will be huge.
If they do strike I am done with MLB.
I couldn't agree more.
This whole season would be thrown away. Hopefully they can iron it out, I know I'm not the only one who feels this way that if they don't I will be done giving them any support and spend my time doing other things.
Maybe like reading a biography of Jefferson Davis or a history of the southern perspective of the civil war??!!!!!!!!!
Maybe like reading a biography of Jefferson Davis or a history of the southern perspective of the civil war??!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Jethro finished up reading Mein Kampf the last baseball strike.
"Yeah, Jethro finished up reading Mein Kampf the last baseball strike."
Now, my first reaction is to laugh at that, but I don't know if it's the right thing to do. Humor gets so caustic and biting here, I've lost track of the threshold for when it goes over the top.
I guess that's "My Struggle" and no one else's.
Jethro asked for that one, with all his Jefferson Davis hero worship and all.
:-)
It's hard to tell sometimes when a person is just having fun and being sarcastic because printed words don't give you voice inflection or facial expressions that let you know someone is just having fun with you. So it's hard to tell sometimes the spirit in which it was meant. Now if we are talking about a Bill-Jethro exchange there's no doubt of the intention of the poster.
I know you are not as ignorant as to really believe there is any comparison between Hitler and Jeff Davis, jt.
But for the record, I did try to read "Mein Kampf" at one time. It was written God awfully. If you are interested you can read it here: http://www.stormfront.org/books/mein_kampf/
"I know you are not as ignorant as to really believe there is any comparison between Hitler and Jeff Davis, jt"
Everyone gets called either a Nazi or Hitler. I don't know why Jeff Davis should get left out.
Hitler had more loyalty to his country than the doublecrossing traitor Jeff Davis had to his, though.
I don't know how the Confederacy could find a man they could trust enough to be president. It you're willing to betray your own country, how hard would it be for you to betray another?
Jeff didn't betray anything. He had a disagreement as to the meanining of the Constitution with several million people agreeing with him
Everyone gets called either a Nazi or Hitler. I don't know why Jeff Davis should get left out.
Well maybe he shouldn't be called a Nazi simply because he died the same year that the father of Nazism was born.
It was a joke, Jethro. I wasn't really comparing Davis to Hitler.
It is really hard to tell when references to Hitler are jokes and when they are not due Hitler being the very funny man that he was you know.
It is really hard to tell when references to Hitler are jokes and when they are not due Hitler being the very funny man that he was you know.
I did try to read "Mein Kampf" at one time. It was written God awfully.
Or you can just anticipate the day when you'll see the Twins here.
Seems nicer than contemplating Nazi organizational skills.
R.T. Rybak sat in the broadcast booth for an inning during Friday night's game.
He said he'll be working with the state and county on a stadium. Said he'd like it in the Warehouse District.
I've been looking for a reason to like him. Maybe we have a baseball fan in the Mayor's office.
I've got to admit, that would be a great place for it.
Plus it's a cool looking ballpark.
On a Light Rail Line, yet!
Outdoor baseball and Social Engineering!
On Rob and JT's dime?
Could we be so lucky?!?!?!?
I'll help pay for your ballpark if you help pay for my children's education.
:-)
Where do you want to spend the people's money, JT?
You're well aware of the answer to that question.
That was below the belt Rick :)
Joe Retractable-Roof Stadium