This is quite new... So I don't know... Because suppose the parents don't sue... But the child could sue when he comes to his majority (18 I would say)...
Anyway, I like the principle that people have a right not to be born... This will give pause to doctors that would conceal a fetus' abnomalies from the parents...
Another interesting link that shows how counterproductive the fundies are.
Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland, where young people have access to contraception, and to good sex education, have abortion rates below 10 per 1,000 women of reproductive age.
mmmh...thinking about our clients, at my horses stable. they wouldnt sue themselves Id think(a friend works with disabled, with my horse and her own horses). but thats another question then entirely, then. nothing to do with the law as such.
Of course it's crazy! And it is due to Paula-like mentalities: if we teach kids about sex, they'll do it... So let's keep them ignorant...
Now frankly: when did the ignorance of sex and reproduction prevent kids from having sex? Never in human history... So we have people who believe things like "if I douche with Coca-Cola after, it will be O.K." or "it's impossible to get pregnant the first time" who have sex... And bingo! They get pregnant and get an abortion!
but with AIDS and such, sexual education became a major topics in school. and how to prevent infection(and thus pregnancy).
of course if assuming noone has sex at all if not being told about how to do it safely...well....
reminds me of the "good old days" in catholic areas....lots of unwanted and "illegitimate" babies.....and those who were against teaching(priests and those "really good" people)the first to judge.
my Grandma was in that situation...having a baby without a father in a catholic 150 people village. now THATS fun!
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Well, it will be a damn shame if Pitiricus misses the message about not be able to get pregnant while abstaining. Poor thing will be worrying herself sick about getting pregnant every time her husband gives her the brush off!!! hahaha!
Nothing new here... The hahaha is the trade mark of the individual masquerading as "Lance Bong"... He is a nut who harassed pro-choicxe posters, called them at work etc... One poster has menaced to sue both CNN and the NYT over him... He has phoned a victim of sexual aggression to menace her etc. etc...
Well Pit, with you come in with inflammatory polemic pouring out hate and division, y'kinda have to expect you'll get at least a few who won't respond to you in an especially-uplifting way.
For this nut any support of abortion is what sets him off... As to inflamatory, you know I really laugh when people who complain about muslims trying to foist their creed on the world as in the WOT, come in the abortion debate and try the same thing...
Sorry: xianity isn't a state religion anymore... You don't like it? I really couldn't care less!
Okay that may be, Pit, but.. let's maybe stay a bit on-topic here with the replyin', shall we please :)
As to inflamatory, you know I really laugh when people who complain about muslims trying to foist their creed on the world as in the WOT, come in the abortion debate and try the same thing...
What, you don'tthink that many of your posts are laced and brimming over, with hatred?? :oO
Sorry: xianity isn't a state religion anymore
Oh ya don'thave to be (what, you think Iam, for instance??;) But y'gotta admit, Pit, this is not necessarily--especially on a personal level-- the focus of all evil either (and so let's say, worthy of frothy outpourings of hatred from certain quarters ;o)
You don't like it? I really couldn't care less!
Hey no problemo here, just as long as youdon't launch into a gratuitous moping-session, due any particular mini-crusade. Because, y'know, that'd be pretty counterproductive.
Hatred? I see the mistakenly-called "pro-life" to be full of hatred, of hatred for women to decide for themselves what is good for them, or as Paula does, to consider them as breeder cows for vulture xian couples wanting to adopt!!!
This is hatred... To say that some pagan semi-god didn't live and wasn't the moschiach is a discussion of beliefs... not hatred...
And from now on, I'll answer you only on abortion here.
Why yeah, matter o' fact! (seeing as how you seem to be rather familiar with the concept ; o)
I see the mistakenly-called "pro-life" to be full of hatred, of hatred for women to decide for themselves whta is good for them, or as Paula does, to consider them as breeder cows for vulture xian couples wanting to adopt!!!
Okay see right here, you're already trippin' up again. (What's the point of venting just morebile, I mean how's the axe-grinding verbiage reallygonna help ya, long-term oreven short, huh? :)
This is hatred... To say that some pagan semi-god didn't live and wasn't the moschiach is a discussion of beliefs... not hatrede...
Hey, can ya provethose Ten Commandments reallywere handed down on stone tablets. And that Red Sea reallyparted its ways to allow speedy deliverance from the Pharaoh's clutches and pursuing army. And the bush reallyburning.. And Abraham's hand reallystayed, before the knife was due to do its sacrificial work? Can ya? Well, y'get the picture, Pit.
And from now on, I'll answer you only on abortion here.
Hey, you're lead-contender of gratuitous-externality-dishing- out around here sometimes yourself, y'know ; 0)
Who says that the ten commandments (taken from the Egyptian book of the dead) were given thus? What I say is that the xian creed is trying to impose itself on others... I don't want to impose anything on others... They can have children until they drop dead for all I care!
Again you don't like it? Too bad... and I really couldn't care less... OTH, OI see you have no point to make on abortion...
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 12:01pm Who says that the ten commandments (taken from the Egyptian book of the dead) were given thus?
Oh Pit, Exodus 24:12, for one. Now, how 'bout that Red Sea partin', hmm? ;o)
What I say is that the xian creed is trying to impose itself on others...
Oh Pit, howmuch of this is actively-espoused, let alone even mildly-bothersome, hmm? (y'maybe have just had too many obnoxious zealots show up at your door, or somepin' :)
OI see you have no point to make on abortion...
Notso fast, there (seems to me abortion oughtnot really be a big issue, especially if a woman decides it ought not to be, for her..)
Well I am not sure. You have a whole swath of the Bible belt which seems to have problems dealing with sex in a mature way. And phenomena like Falwell and the so-called "operation rescue" come from there...
OTH, you also have the pope and his doddering theology about abortion!
speaking of the pope, just wondered how Toronto made it to the European section on CNN now. LOL.
well, thats the catholic church, what do you expect? btw with many cute little fatherless babies from her priests.....(ya know, those with the celibate;))
I don't expect too much of the RCC in sexual matters... I always found hilarious that people that shouldn't play the game think they can establish the rules of the game :-)
You’ll have to excuse Pirtircus (Alma on CNN). You see, she has a long history of harassing people on the internet. Ask displaced elf about her...hahahaha...CNN had her on a permanent ban and she had two restraining orders against her for making threats against innocent posters. She even lost her job because of it.
You would think that she’d learn to leave people alone and respect their privacy, but she just can’t help herself....for example...she has already e-gramed several people on this forum revealing my true identity. That’s just plain freaky that she’d do that...all I can say is..watch out and don’t piss her off....hahahaha
Here's a poster on another sever chastising a person for inviting Pitiricus to their forum...you see..she really is hated across the entire internet...hahaha
I responded: What you mean is that you are pro-dismembering unborn children limb from limb.
kath responded: no, thats what YOU mean Im for.
I said what I am, you are putting meanings into it that never were there. LOL. enjoy
You either do not know what you promote or you are dishonest with yourself. I think most proabortionists are dishonest with themselves. They can't handle reality. I am guessing you can't, either.
I said that I couldnt imagine having an abortion myself. still I would not want people who would have an abortion because they dont want the child to have it. thats all.
guess youre so tied up in your little world over there, that you need to put everyone in slots....wont fit into your "pro abortion slot", pal.
Well I am not sure. You have a whole swath of the Bible belt which seems to have problems dealing with sex in a mature way. And phenomena like Falwell and the so-called "operation rescue" come from there...
If true, which it is not, it is better than having no problem killing uunborn children by dismembering them limb from limb.
Semantics. You are proabortion. So you don't like those words, that is understandable. However, they apply to you.
I said that I couldnt imagine having an abortion myself. still I would not want people who would have an abortion because they dont want the child to have it. thats all.
Doesn't matter whether you would have one yourself. Anyone that can say that dismembering a human being limb from limb is just a choice is morally bankrupt.
guess you're so tied up in your little world over there, that you need to put everyone in slots....wont fit into your "pro abortion slot", pal.
what do you mean? conservatives forcing the issues on others? or whom?
Yes, wanting to outlaw abortion or even the "You'll burn in hell" sort of stuff.
I just don't see it becoming illegal although I wish it would. Not because I want to force my view on anyone. It's not about power. I simply want to protect the unborn child.
The "You'll burn in hell" stuff disgusts me as much as Piti's contempt for Christians.
I wonder what the way that all is done in the US is.
as I said: here, someone who is pregnant and wants to have an abortion has to go to a place where they offer counseling. that counseling is always "pro-child". given that the woman going there is already in a very stressful situation, that counseling puts more pressure on her to have the child.
only if she was REALLY determined not to have it in any way, will she be going to have an abortion then.
the abortion rates seem to be quite low, here(dont have figures though, guess all you experts here do) from an article I read.
Dont know. Im not sure a person who wants to have an abortion should have a child at all at that time of her life. Doesnt seem to be in the mental state to have one/not ready to have one.
Moral standards are already in the law. You apparently have no respect for life. You apparently have no concept of the life process. You are just one of the millions of Americans that don't give a damn about anything but yourself and what you want. It is called being selfish and that, my dear, is you.
kath f. 7/27/02 3:24pm
This is quite new... So I don't know... Because suppose the parents don't sue... But the child could sue when he comes to his majority (18 I would say)...
Anyway, I like the principle that people have a right not to be born... This will give pause to doctors that would conceal a fetus' abnomalies from the parents...
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_0599.html
Another interesting link that shows how counterproductive the fundies are.
Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland, where young people have access to contraception, and to good sex education, have abortion rates below 10 per 1,000 women of reproductive age.
In the US, it is twice as much...
Pitiricus. 7/27/02 3:27pm
mmmh...thinking about our clients, at my horses stable. they wouldnt sue themselves Id think(a friend works with disabled, with my horse and her own horses). but thats another question then entirely, then. nothing to do with the law as such.
Pitiricus. 7/27/02 3:30pm
WOW, US-rates are THAT high? thats crazy...
kath f. 7/27/02 3:40pm
Of course it's crazy! And it is due to Paula-like mentalities: if we teach kids about sex, they'll do it... So let's keep them ignorant...
Now frankly: when did the ignorance of sex and reproduction prevent kids from having sex? Never in human history... So we have people who believe things like "if I douche with Coca-Cola after, it will be O.K." or "it's impossible to get pregnant the first time" who have sex... And bingo! They get pregnant and get an abortion!
BTW Kath...
Planned parenthood teaches kids about contraception, one of the things it is reviled for by the likes of Paula!
Pitiricus. 7/27/02 3:44pm
but with AIDS and such, sexual education became a major topics in school. and how to prevent infection(and thus pregnancy).
of course if assuming noone has sex at all if not being told about how to do it safely...well....
reminds me of the "good old days" in catholic areas....lots of unwanted and "illegitimate" babies.....and those who were against teaching(priests and those "really good" people)the first to judge.
my Grandma was in that situation...having a baby without a father in a catholic 150 people village. now THATS fun!
kath f. 7/27/02 3:52pm
They preach abstinence... as if it works!
And of coures this is what they really want
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/17/international/africa/17ABOR.html
Treat women as criminal and let them die from botched abortions!
Well, this won't ever happen again!
Pitiricus. 7/27/02 4:18pm
hahaha Abstinence doesn't work? You can get pregnant while abstaining? hahaha
I knew you were nuts, Pitiricus, but now you're too much! hahaha
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Pitiricus. 7/27/02 8:38pm
Well, then, I hope you don't miss out on the following message, because it is sure to give you a few jollies:
This message not displayed because Lance Bong is on your Discussion Area Ignore List.
hahaha! Hope you love it!
Scream John... I don't hear you...
And I fixed the e-gram too :-)
Pitiricus. 7/27/02 8:38pm
Well, it will be a damn shame if Pitiricus misses the message about not be able to get pregnant while abstaining. Poor thing will be worrying herself sick about getting pregnant every time her husband gives her the brush off!!! hahaha!
'Bill - Fold' 7/28/02 3:28am
Nothing new here... The hahaha is the trade mark of the individual masquerading as "Lance Bong"... He is a nut who harassed pro-choicxe posters, called them at work etc... One poster has menaced to sue both CNN and the NYT over him... He has phoned a victim of sexual aggression to menace her etc. etc...
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 6:40am
Well Pit, with you come in with inflammatory polemic pouring out hate and division, y'kinda have to expect you'll get at least a few who won't respond to you in an especially-uplifting way.
Mark Danowski 7/28/02 8:34am
For this nut any support of abortion is what sets him off... As to inflamatory, you know I really laugh when people who complain about muslims trying to foist their creed on the world as in the WOT, come in the abortion debate and try the same thing...
Sorry: xianity isn't a state religion anymore... You don't like it? I really couldn't care less!
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 11:03am
For this nut any support of abortion is what sets him off...
Okay that may be, Pit, but.. let's maybe stay a bit on-topic here with the replyin', shall we please :)
As to inflamatory, you know I really laugh when people who complain about muslims trying to foist their creed on the world as in the WOT, come in the abortion debate and try the same thing...
What, you don'tthink that many of your posts are laced and brimming over, with hatred?? :oO
Sorry: xianity isn't a state religion anymore
Oh ya don'thave to be (what, you think Iam, for instance??;) But y'gotta admit, Pit, this is not necessarily--especially on a personal level-- the focus of all evil either (and so let's say, worthy of frothy outpourings of hatred from certain quarters ;o)
You don't like it? I really couldn't care less!
Hey no problemo here, just as long as youdon't launch into a gratuitous moping-session, due any particular mini-crusade. Because, y'know, that'd be pretty counterproductive.
Mark Danowski 7/28/02 11:33am
Hatred? I see the mistakenly-called "pro-life" to be full of hatred, of hatred for women to decide for themselves what is good for them, or as Paula does, to consider them as breeder cows for vulture xian couples wanting to adopt!!!
This is hatred... To say that some pagan semi-god didn't live and wasn't the moschiach is a discussion of beliefs... not hatred...
And from now on, I'll answer you only on abortion here.
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 11:35am
Hatred?
Why yeah, matter o' fact! (seeing as how you seem to be rather familiar with the concept ; o)
I see the mistakenly-called "pro-life" to be full of hatred, of hatred for women to decide for themselves whta is good for them, or as Paula does, to consider them as breeder cows for vulture xian couples wanting to adopt!!!
Okay see right here, you're already trippin' up again. (What's the point of venting just morebile, I mean how's the axe-grinding verbiage reallygonna help ya, long-term oreven short, huh? :)
This is hatred... To say that some pagan semi-god didn't live and wasn't the moschiach is a discussion of beliefs... not hatrede...
Hey, can ya provethose Ten Commandments reallywere handed down on stone tablets. And that Red Sea reallyparted its ways to allow speedy deliverance from the Pharaoh's clutches and pursuing army. And the bush reallyburning.. And Abraham's hand reallystayed, before the knife was due to do its sacrificial work? Can ya? Well, y'get the picture, Pit.
And from now on, I'll answer you only on abortion here.
Hey, you're lead-contender of gratuitous-externality-dishing- out around here sometimes yourself, y'know ; 0)
Mark Danowski 7/28/02 11:48am
Who says that the ten commandments (taken from the Egyptian book of the dead) were given thus? What I say is that the xian creed is trying to impose itself on others... I don't want to impose anything on others... They can have children until they drop dead for all I care!
Again you don't like it? Too bad... and I really couldn't care less... OTH, OI see you have no point to make on abortion...
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 12:01pm
Who says that the ten commandments (taken from the Egyptian book of the dead) were given thus?
Oh Pit, Exodus 24:12, for one. Now, how 'bout that Red Sea partin', hmm? ;o)
What I say is that the xian creed is trying to impose itself on others...
Oh Pit, howmuch of this is actively-espoused, let alone even mildly-bothersome, hmm? (y'maybe have just had too many obnoxious zealots show up at your door, or somepin' :)
OI see you have no point to make on abortion...
Notso fast, there (seems to me abortion oughtnot really be a big issue, especially if a woman decides it ought not to be, for her..)
I don't want to impose anything on others...
Can I quote ya? ; o)
LOVE IS IN THE AIR, EV'RYWHERE I LOOK AROUND
LOVE IS IN THE AIR, EV'RY SIGHT AND EV'RY SOUND
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING FOOLISH, DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING WISE
BUT IS SOMETHING THAT I MUST BELIEVE IN
kath f. wrote: I am pro choice.
What you mean is that you are pro-dismembering unborn children limb from limb.
fold wrote: Get thee behind me, number 2.
I am sure you like it that way, fold.
jethro bodine - (PFID:13d2d6) - 02:15pm Jul 28, 2002 PST (# 1506 of 1512)
kath f. wrote: I am pro choice.
no, thats what YOU mean Im for.
I said what I am, you are putting meanings into it that never were there. LOL. enjoy.
kath f. 7/28/02 2:58pm
I see you are meeting the specimens that you find under the so-called "pro-life" moniker on this continent :-)
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 3:30pm
:)
probably. very strange, this debate, somehow...well....
the best still is how they are against sex:)
or contraception, now:). that kind is dying, though, Id suppose.
kath f. 7/28/02 3:36pm
Well I am not sure. You have a whole swath of the Bible belt which seems to have problems dealing with sex in a mature way. And phenomena like Falwell and the so-called "operation rescue" come from there...
OTH, you also have the pope and his doddering theology about abortion!
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 3:42pm
speaking of the pope, just wondered how Toronto made it to the European section on CNN now. LOL.
well, thats the catholic church, what do you expect? btw with many cute little fatherless babies from her priests.....(ya know, those with the celibate;))
kath f. 7/28/02 3:49pm
I don't expect too much of the RCC in sexual matters... I always found hilarious that people that shouldn't play the game think they can establish the rules of the game :-)
Pitiricus. 7/28/02 4:00pm
ROFL....
Mark Danowski 7/28/02 12:30pm
You’ll have to excuse Pirtircus (Alma on CNN). You see, she has a long history of harassing people on the internet. Ask displaced elf about her...hahahaha...CNN had her on a permanent ban and she had two restraining orders against her for making threats against innocent posters. She even lost her job because of it.
You would think that she’d learn to leave people alone and respect their privacy, but she just can’t help herself....for example...she has already e-gramed several people on this forum revealing my true identity. That’s just plain freaky that she’d do that...all I can say is..watch out and don’t piss her off....hahahaha
Mark Danowski 7/28/02 12:30pm
Here's a poster on another sever chastising a person for inviting Pitiricus to their forum...you see..she really is hated across the entire internet...hahaha
http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee9ff07/47270
kath f. 7/28/02 3:36pm
Who's against sex and contraceptives?
well, didnt say he was for contraceptives and sex but promoted abstinence, if youre asking me.
hi THX
Good morning, Kath.
I would agree that in general "Conservatives" do promote abstinence. It doesn't mean we're totally against sex or contraceptives.
Bottom line, we're against abortions.
I would agree many want to force the issue of abortion on others.
That simply will never work.
Maybe there is a middle ground such as Rick suggests.
kath f. 7/29/02 6:24am
I was merely laughing at Pitiricus for implying one could get pregnant while abstaining. hahaha! I wasn't promoting anything in that post.
Because all entertainment aside, I don't enjoy talking to you very much, at all.
Same here, fold. You are a waste of good time and energy. The only thing you are good for is needling.
kath f. wrote: I am pro choice.
I responded: What you mean is that you are pro-dismembering unborn children limb from limb.
kath responded: no, thats what YOU mean Im for.
I said what I am, you are putting meanings into it that never were there. LOL. enjoy
You either do not know what you promote or you are dishonest with yourself. I think most proabortionists are dishonest with themselves. They can't handle reality. I am guessing you can't, either.
THX 1138 7/29/02 6:37am
well, I can understand being against abortions.
what do you mean? conservatives forcing the issues on others? or whom?
jethro bodine 7/29/02 7:25am
rofl.
I am pro CHOICE! not pro Abortion.
really cant read, can ya?
I said that I couldnt imagine having an abortion myself. still I would not want people who would have an abortion because they dont want the child to have it. thats all.
guess youre so tied up in your little world over there, that you need to put everyone in slots....wont fit into your "pro abortion slot", pal.
Well I am not sure. You have a whole swath of the Bible belt which seems to have problems dealing with sex in a mature way. And phenomena like Falwell and the so-called "operation rescue" come from there...
If true, which it is not, it is better than having no problem killing uunborn children by dismembering them limb from limb.
I am pro CHOICE! not pro Abortion.
Semantics. You are proabortion. So you don't like those words, that is understandable. However, they apply to you.
I said that I couldnt imagine having an abortion myself. still I would not want people who would have an abortion because they dont want the child to have it. thats all.
Doesn't matter whether you would have one yourself. Anyone that can say that dismembering a human being limb from limb is just a choice is morally bankrupt.
guess you're so tied up in your little world over there, that you need to put everyone in slots....wont fit into your "pro abortion slot", pal.
No you are just dishonest with yourself.
bla...LOL
What is a joke, albeit a sad one, is people like you that think you are thinking and doing the right think.
huh?
getting better and better, jethro.
tell me, are you male or female? you are defending unborns, and dont think the least about those alive already, and their right to lead their lives.
you want to impose your moral standards on other people. someone told you you are qualified to say whats right or wrong, well, dream on.
kath f. 7/29/02 7:28am
what do you mean? conservatives forcing the issues on others? or whom?
Yes, wanting to outlaw abortion or even the "You'll burn in hell" sort of stuff.
I just don't see it becoming illegal although I wish it would. Not because I want to force my view on anyone. It's not about power. I simply want to protect the unborn child.
The "You'll burn in hell" stuff disgusts me as much as Piti's contempt for Christians.
THX 1138 7/29/02 8:14am
I wonder what the way that all is done in the US is.
as I said: here, someone who is pregnant and wants to have an abortion has to go to a place where they offer counseling. that counseling is always "pro-child". given that the woman going there is already in a very stressful situation, that counseling puts more pressure on her to have the child.
only if she was REALLY determined not to have it in any way, will she be going to have an abortion then.
the abortion rates seem to be quite low, here(dont have figures though, guess all you experts here do) from an article I read.
Dont know. Im not sure a person who wants to have an abortion should have a child at all at that time of her life. Doesnt seem to be in the mental state to have one/not ready to have one.
Moral standards are already in the law. You apparently have no respect for life. You apparently have no concept of the life process. You are just one of the millions of Americans that don't give a damn about anything but yourself and what you want. It is called being selfish and that, my dear, is you.
jethro bodine 7/29/02 9:23am
And how old might yoube, Jethy? (you apparent Ayatollah, you ; o)