Feel the love. I have to admit though I like this thread. It's like a regular trip to the Twilight Zone where everyone has changed personalities. Except for jethro and Bill hating each other. That seems to be a universal constant.
"Twenty or thirty thousand Americans who love liberty would move to one state, possibly New Hampshire, peaceably take over the legislature, negotiate with Congress to obey their oath of office to uphold the Constitution and, if necessary, secede from the Union. "
"Liberty-loving" people are going to "take over" New Hampshire? Yeah, they love liberty. And the people of the state just supposed to go along with it?
Thanks, jethro, that is one of the funniest things I've read in awhile.
From the Free State Party's Frequently asked questions:
"I love the idea of the FSP, but I only want to live someplace warm -- I'd never make it in those cold states. Can't you make a warmer state an option?"
"If wishes were weather patterns, we'd have a Free State in someplace with weather like Santa Barbara. However, while 2 warmer states -- Nevada and New Mexico -- are technically under consideration, the many factors conducive to success for our project (see Question 9) mean we will likely end up in a northern state. This is one of the sacrifices our warm-weather loving members will have to make. If weather is a deal-breaker for you, however, we still can use your help with raising awareness, recruiting, donations, etc.!"
George Washington and his men crossed that river in the winter. Come on, toughen up!
"Liberty-loving" people are going to "take over" New Hampshire? Yeah, they love liberty. And the people of the state just supposed to go along with it?
it is a free country. You can move anywhere you want.
jethro, while i agree that secession was an inherent right of the individual state, no jury anywhere would have made that determination.
Chief Justice Salmon Chase had decided along with the attorney general that Davis's case had to be held in Virginia. They determined that that is where he committed treason, if indeed treason has occurred. The fear was that the prosecution could not find 12 jurors that would convict him in Virginia. Despite what Rick might think, Davis was wildly popular in the south even after the war.
"The fear was that the prosecution could not find 12 jurors that would convict him in Virginia."
Just as I thought. It had nothing to do with constitutionality of Secession. It would be impossible for him get a fair trial in Virginia. No wonder this country needs a federal court. It's to reign in yahoo states like 1860s Virginia which would give aid and comfort to traitors.
"Despite what Rick might think, Davis was wildly popular in the south even after the war."
Just as I thought. It had nothing to do with constitutionality of Secession. It would be impossible for him get a fair trial in Virginia. No wonder this country needs a federal court. It's to reign in yahoo states like 1860s Virginia which would give aid and comfort to traitors.
If you could put your brain in the operate mode you might come across the thought that they couldn't find 12 jurors that believed states did not have the right to secede.
Yeah but you sure know how to Yeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaawwww
I spent some time in that gem known as the south.
I can YeeeeeHaaaaaw with the best of em'.
I always wondered what they were going to do when they said the south's gonna do it again? Do what, lose a war ?
Do what, lose a war?
I said that of a Missouri redneck once and about got my ass kicked.
Well, it might happen again!!! So pipe down!!!!
What might happen? The ass kickin'? Or they're gonna lose another war?
gettin' your ass kicked!!!!!
But I didn't get my ass kicked. I said I ALMOST got my ass kicked.
The guy was a Southerner. He ran away screaming like a little girl.
Actually, all I did was speak without a drawl AND it utterly confused him. He'd never heard the word "WASH" used without an "R" before.
LOL !
I can YeeeeeHaaaaaw with the best of em'.
y'all have never met dal, have ya, rob? :)
If my sisters ever read this thread I'm dead meat.
Note to self: Quit making fun of Southerners. Some of your favorite people are Southerners and your sisters can still kick your ass.
Some of your favorite people are Southerners
that's your first problem.
:: ducks ::
Notice I said SOME!
No I aint met er'. :)
ya spelt "naw" wrong, rob.
Thanks for the correction :) Or should I say curectshun
http://www.civilwarhome.com/clembio.htm
Screw you, fold.
Feel the love. I have to admit though I like this thread. It's like a regular trip to the Twilight Zone where everyone has changed personalities. Except for jethro and Bill hating each other. That seems to be a universal constant.
And folds dishonesty should be apparent to everyone.
The legal conflict that pitted northern personal liberty statutes against federal fugitive slave measures reflected the concepts of double sovereignty that citizens of the federated Union then entertained. Southerners insisted on the sovereignty of the states, but in this controversy northerners "nullified" unwelcome federal laws. Although the constitutionality of the fugitive slave laws was unquestioned, only the force of arms could finally define the nature of the Union, its source of authority, and the boundaries of liberty.
I fear that, for most Americans, July 4 is a celebration of a day off of work, an excuse for fireworks and feasting on barbecue but not a day to celebrate and enshrine the liberties the Founders sought for us. Some of this is the result of dumbed-down schooling, but a large part, I fear, is simple contempt for our founding principles.
One nation, indivisible, joe.
Ok, Mr. Hanks
:-)
"Twenty or thirty thousand Americans who love liberty would move to one state, possibly New Hampshire, peaceably take over the legislature, negotiate with Congress to obey their oath of office to uphold the Constitution and, if necessary, secede from the Union. "
"Liberty-loving" people are going to "take over" New Hampshire? Yeah, they love liberty. And the people of the state just supposed to go along with it?
Thanks, jethro, that is one of the funniest things I've read in awhile.
Walter Williams is going right around the bend.
From the Free State Party's Frequently asked questions:
"I love the idea of the FSP, but I only want to live someplace warm -- I'd never make it in those cold states. Can't you make a warmer state an option?"
"If wishes were weather patterns, we'd have a Free State in someplace with weather like Santa Barbara. However, while 2 warmer states -- Nevada and New Mexico -- are technically under consideration, the many factors conducive to success for our project (see Question 9) mean we will likely end up in a northern state. This is one of the sacrifices our warm-weather loving members will have to make. If weather is a deal-breaker for you, however, we still can use your help with raising awareness, recruiting, donations, etc.!"
George Washington and his men crossed that river in the winter. Come on, toughen up!
"Liberty-loving" people are going to "take over" New Hampshire? Yeah, they love liberty. And the people of the state just supposed to go along with it?
it is a free country. You can move anywhere you want.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.......
Well, jethro, I think Amy Day, a New Hampshire residenthas assembled some fine intelligence on her home state.
Nice coastline, pretty mountains. A handful of piddling state issues have lawmakers distracted and a nearby Naval Shipyard ripe for takeover.
The Granite State is a sitting duck.
You may have found your cause, jethro.
you forgot the gongs right before each cuckoo, jt.
Amy and her family may be part of the conspiracy!!!!!!
She may be undercover FBI. Luring in the 'freedom-loving" Free State Party.
F....B....I
Part of the plans for the observance of the one year anniversary of September 11 in New York will be a reading of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
No word yet on any contributions from the archive of works by Jefferson Davis.
Will keep watching, though.
The winners do write the history, Rick.
I'm sure among Jefferson Davis' written record are several tracts of high-minded rationalizations for treasonous activities.
No. It wasn't treason. That is why he the case against him was dismissed.
Case was dismissed they didn't want protracted trial, to make a martyr out of him.
He's a treasonous dog.
They were afraid they would lose. How would that have looked if a jury had determined a state had the right to secede?
"They were afraid they would lose."
Has someone said that besides you?
And cite me someone objective.
jethro, while i agree that secession was an inherent right of the individual state, no jury anywhere would have made that determination.
unless the bribe money was enormous.
jethro, while i agree that secession was an inherent right of the individual state, no jury anywhere would have made that determination.
Chief Justice Salmon Chase had decided along with the attorney general that Davis's case had to be held in Virginia. They determined that that is where he committed treason, if indeed treason has occurred. The fear was that the prosecution could not find 12 jurors that would convict him in Virginia. Despite what Rick might think, Davis was wildly popular in the south even after the war.
just out of curiosity, where was the more generally preferred location for that trial?
Johnson began to fear that if Davis were tried and acquitted (a very real possibility with a Virginia jury), he (Johnson) would be impeached again and removed from office. For a variety of reasons, no further significant action was taken until after the 1868 election.
We say grace and we say mam' if you aint in the south we don't give a damn ! Hank Williams Jr.
LOL!
Bocephus!
Ever see the Chris Farley skit where he's playing Bocephus recording the "Are you ready for some football" promo? Pretty funny stuff.
"The fear was that the prosecution could not find 12 jurors that would convict him in Virginia."
Just as I thought. It had nothing to do with constitutionality of Secession. It would be impossible for him get a fair trial in Virginia. No wonder this country needs a federal court. It's to reign in yahoo states like 1860s Virginia which would give aid and comfort to traitors.
"Despite what Rick might think, Davis was wildly popular in the south even after the war."
Didn't think that for a minute.
Just as I thought. It had nothing to do with constitutionality of Secession. It would be impossible for him get a fair trial in Virginia. No wonder this country needs a federal court. It's to reign in yahoo states like 1860s Virginia which would give aid and comfort to traitors.
If you could put your brain in the operate mode you might come across the thought that they couldn't find 12 jurors that believed states did not have the right to secede.
...they couldn't find 12 jurors that believed states did not have the right to secede.
I'm sure they could have found thousands.
I could probably get 12 people to say I'm the Queen of England.
You are and may I be knighted please ?
BTW How is Charles doing these days ?
I dub thee, Sir LUV2FLY.
Charles is a problem child.
Thanks for the knighthood queenie. Has your family ever considered group family counseling ? :)
And may I aslo have a real creepy old vine covered castle, with a moat preferebly. But the moat isn't a neccescity but would be nice.