The Kurds in Iraq – and we know how they were treated - will occupy the oil city of Kirkuk and thus acquire a strong economic base for an independent state of Kurdistan.
Turkey, which has no oil of its own, will use the overthrow of Saddam to move into Iraqi Kurdistan and occupy the oil region of Kirkuk and Mosul. The Turks hate the Kurds as much as so dumb did.
The Saudi Royal dictatorship will make sure that the "contagion of western style democracy" implanted into Iraq does not spread to its kingdom and will undermine the post-Saddam regime.
The Mullahs in Iran - a Shia majority country - will assist the long-suppressed Shia majority in Iraq to get even with their erstwhile Sunni rulers who have governed Iraq since 1638. That means a long-running Sunni-Shia civil war.
Syria, which is ruled by Bashar Assad, who belongs to a Shia subsect of Alawis, will be sympathetic to the Shia aspirations.
So what? The threat to the US will be taken care of. If some nations want to fight over the carcass, I say let them.
if little boy proves that so dumb has WMD's then he is eliminated. The instability of the area, the impact on oil supplies still remains. The last civil war in Lebanon lasted from 1975 to 1990. Let's bear that in mind. We are still in Afghanistan a year later and the job there is not done. The chaos in a Iraq destabilized will make Afghanistan look like heaven. And the AQ will find a fecund outlet for its diabolical designs on the US.
Jethro's a fool if he thinks the United States has no stake in a stable Iraq and no obligation to work toward that end once the war is over.
There has been instablity in the mideast for decades. My guess is one power or the other will take control of Iraq soon after. There will only a short interruption in the delivery Iraqui oil and that is the only interest anyone has in Iraq. Only a FOOL would think otherwise.
We will have to view the deal with Yemen just like the need to back Musharraf of Pukistan I guess. Like Musharraf, the current Yemeni leadership is autocratic and despised by its people. But it is in our interests to work with these charlatans and try to swing them in the right direction politically - while utilizing them to rout AQ. Even in the US we have learnt to live with a moron President and his penchant for despotism and who was not elected by a majority of voters.
Still waiting for evidence of Iraq's WMDs and links to AQ.
We will have to view the deal with Yemen just like the need to back Musharraf of Pukistan I guess. --- Naradar
Musharraf is not despised by Pakistanis, the parties who support the musharraf policies won most seats in Oct. Elections, I think the situation is much batter then the Hindu fundamentalist State India where Hindu fanatics are ruling the country agaist the wishes of people where Hindu terrorists are committing organize genocide of minorities like Muslims, Chiristians and Sikhs. Main culprit of Gujrate and Mumbai massacre is now deputy Prime minister of India!
I can't believe that Bush is more of a moron than you Naradar. --- jethro bodine
you don't have to! b'coz Naradar belong to a country where his fellow countrymen are burning alive innocent and unarmed men, women, children and infants as their religious duty just b'coz those people are not Hindus and they belong to other religions Like Islam, Chiristianity, Sikhism and Budhism!
I'm sure he has none Naradar, I mean he said he didn't. He even wrote it down in 12,000 easy to read pages --- Luv2Fly
everyone is sure about it! :-) Iraq don' have any WMD, its all Iraqi oil that is real problem for oil hunger US!
India also have WMD, India is being ruled by religious fantics, India have bad relation with all of its neighbours it has fought 3 wars with Pakistan and one with china and defeated on most of those wars by Pakistan and China, India invaded into srilanka, Indian nukes are in hand of Hindu terrorists! why US not looking at this scoundrel state India which is becoming a threat for whole region????
Look at pakistan's record of minorties eliminated systamatically under the watchfull eyes of western nations --- keshto bajrangi
Minorities consist 5% of Pakistan whole population, they have share in Parliment, establishment, Malitry and business and economy. Their religious places are safe and protected by state unlike india where Mosques, churches are destroyed by state officials in the name of Hindutva, minorities are not burned alive and raped on the streets as it keeps happening in india with full suport of state!
Besides, your abdul kadar khan stole the tech from holland, UNLIKE INDIA --- keshto bajrangi
you are big time bajrangi lier! India stole the nukes from russia!
MMA is a official mullah party of pakistan unlike BJP. --- keshto bajrangi
MMA is not ruling the country but BJP is ruling the country
UNLIKE INDIA WITH PRIMINISTER N DEMOCRACY.
Indian democracy is a mockery on democracy and a shame for this modren civilization, India a democracy where crimnals are deputy PM and CM
you can call India a monster of democracy
the feat which was unparallel even looking at WWII records, and pakistan got desmembered, --- keshto bajrangi
India also made a world record in which more then 100,000 Indian dumbo armies were sent to hell by Pakistan during 1948 and 1965 war and some how similar no by China in 1962 war WWWWOWWWW ! you moron bajrangi :- ))) LoL
Yes sabarmati express is a live example -- keshto bajrangi
Sabarmati is another example if Hindu brutality, it show that hindu Birahamin can kill their own fellow hindus just b'coz they are lower cast Dillites and Shoders! these lower cast hindus are just little insects for upper cast Birahmins.
Don't you think, fold, (of course you don't!) that the our military stationed in other countries are more at risk from attack with small pox than say people in Minnesota?
So you don't think fold, that when we are on the verge of going to war with Iraq who may have smallpox to be used as a weapon that the military is not at risk? Buck up man! Get over your fears and live!
We could learn a lesson from the Europeans in this regard. They live their lives under the threat of terrorism and they don't scurry about looking for the magic innoculation here or the perfect assurance of safety there.
If we continue on that path, the terrorists will have taken more from us than we know.
We could learn a lesson from the Europeans in this regard. They live their lives under the threat of terrorism and they don't scurry about looking for the magic innoculation here or the perfect assurance of safety there.
yeah we could bend over and offer it to terrorists instead of confronting them.
Don't you think, fold, (of course you don't!) that the our military stationed in other countries are more at risk from attack with small pox than say people in Minnesota? --- jethro
Yeah! i have seen the hatefull protests against US malitry in south korea and japan! these american rape and kill the innocent girls of their hosts, how filthy these american are!!!
The "Enemy", has killed more U.S. Citizens within the United States, than outside of the United States --- Bill
Shame on your security agencies and dumb spies on which your country is spending billions, I think its more pity and painfull to feel unsafe myself with in my home then outside my home among enemies :-) and u are still proud of being american! thats why I thank to God that i am not an American ;)
and by the way, been tried by the countries and/or the Military and are either in prison or out of the service or both. --- Bill - Fold
why not death panelty!!!?? rapist have death panelty in Pakistan
Now then, how many "Burnings" have the men of YOUR country inflicted upon the women of your ass-backwards 3rd-world country ---Bill - Fold
burning alive and rapes of innocent women espacialy minorities and lower cast dillits are favourite habbit of our neighbour India not ours. where hindu fundamentalists are ruling the country!
their are human right violations of women in pakistan too but its all happens in remote tribal areas, lets hope newly elected gov. in Pakistan take some strong actions against all those illitrate feudal lords who commit those crimes against women. The ruling party prommised to pass a law to give death panelty for those people who commit honor killing of women.
as I have said earlier there are human right violation against women in Pakistan but its all done by indivisuals or group of few peoples but these crimes are not being committed by so-called political parties and sponsered by state to gain the support of majority as it keep happening in India where Hindu fanatics organize the genocide of minorities like muslims and chiristian to get support and vote of Hindu majority and ruling party BJP support all those carnages and barbarism
Look what indian women tell about Gujrate massacre commited by Hindu terrorists in India!
HOW HAS THE GUJARAT MASSACRE AFFECTED MINORITY WOMEN ?
The main culprite is now contesting the elections despite he should be punished for all his crimes and he would also be the CM of Indian province Gujrate b'coz gujrate is a hindu majority province. the same person and same party also committed the same kind of crimes against chiristian in the same state Gujrate.
When crimes against humanity is considered honor and tool to gain political support it mean the whole society is moraly currupt and this is the difference b/w us and India we consider crimes against humanity as crimes, we go after them and try to punish them we don't make them Cheif minister and Deputy Prime minister of country
To me it appears that your contention is that Hindus are more extreme and violent and sadistic and hence the excesses of Islam must be considered benign.
The people of the subcontinent have revealed a penchant for extreme violence against each other and towards the weaker sections of their own society. Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nepalese - look back at their history over even the last 50 years and you will find it pock marked with brutal squabbling.
Disassociate the subcontinent and in the rest of the globe there has been a constant escalation of Islamic inspired violence and terrorism. After 911, it has become the focus all over the world.
No one outside of its borders gives a rats arse damn about subcontinental squabbling - as long as it is confined there.
Islamic extremism is what has also led to this policy against Iraq.
Trying to point fingers at the Hindus does not exculpate the Islamic barbarians of today.
To me it appears that your contention is that Hindus are more extreme and violent and sadistic ---- Naradar
Hey Naradar Old scrap! its human who can be extremist or moderate BUT WHAT Hindu terrorist did with innocent muslims and chiristian civilian in indian state gujrate can never be expected by any human its all evilness and your counry is being ruled by those evil powers
Naradar! can all these be expected by any human !!! ???
“But what they did to my sister-in-law’s sister Kausar Bano was horrific and heinous. She was 9 months pregnant. They cut open her belly, took out her foetus with a sword and threw it into a blazing fire. Then they burnt her as well.”
Source: Saira Banu, Naroda Patia (recorded at the Shah-e-Alam Camp on March 27th, 2002).
Naradar your evil country left no reason to exist any more!!!
No one outside of its borders gives a rats arse damn about subcontinental squabbling - as long as it is confined there. --- Naradar
each and every sane society, organizations and country has condemned the brutal terrorist act in gujrate by Hindu terrorists except those morons sitting in white house, lots of American human right organizations also condemned India.
There is no difference b/w 3000 innocent muslims/chiristians who were murdered by Hindu terrorists in Indian state gujrate and those who died in NY and washington b'coz every human has equal respect and dignity whether they Live in NY or in Gujrate
Islamic extremism is what has also led to this policy against Iraq. --- Naradar
Its all OIL not Islamic extremism for oil hunger US which is leading to the policy against Iraq, every body knows this except you Bajrangi trained hindu moron :-)
Its all OIL not Islamic extremism for oil hunger US which is leading to the policy against Iraq, every body knows this except you Bajrangi trained hindu moron :-)
So you are saying that it has nothing to do with this...
If all we wanted was oil, why don't we just say that Saddam can have whatever he wants as long as we get the oil? It would be a lot easier, way cheaper and cost less lives.
Giants of the American and Russian oil industries will come together in Houston this week for the first U.S.-Russia Commercial Energy Summit. The event will bring together Cabinet members, top corporate executives, legislators and financiers and could lead to a breakthrough. It will be an opportunity for the United States and Russia to lay the foundation for a genuine global energy partnership
A U.S.-led ouster of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein could open a bonanza for American oil companies long banished from Iraq, scuttling oil deals between Baghdad and Russia, France and other countries, and reshuffling world petroleum markets, according to industry officials and leaders of the Iraqi opposition.
Scramble to carve up Iraqi oil reserves lies behind US diplomacy
Manoeuvres shaped by horsetrading between America, Russia and France over control of untapped oilfields
Oil is emerging as the key factor in US attempts to secure the support of Russia and France for military action against Iraq, according to an Observer investigation.
Dear Zachary! are these enough to satisfy your empty brain or should I give more to you :-))
I don't think that the hostility displayed by guys like Naeem is indicative of what's found in Pakistan.
The exchange between the two of them has been illuminating some ways. Were it not for 9/11 and all its fallout, we probably wouldn't know the intensity that the bitterness between India and Pakistan has reached.
Not on a human level, between people who live there or have ties there.
I remember on the street interviews from that time and it was like "We'll kick thier ass", "No, we'll kick their ass", "No, we'll kick their ass"......
SEOUL, Dec 14: Tens of thousands of people carrying candles descended on the US embassy here Saturday to protest what they considered was an inadequate US response to the deaths of two schoolgirls crushed by a US military vehicle in June.
Regular protests have rocked Seoul for a month as the anti-US sentiment sparked by a US court martial's decision to acquit two soldiers on charges of negligent homicide in the incident has reached a near boiling point.
Can our American friend THX and Bill explain why US is insisting its malitry presence in Korea/Japan while majority population of these countries don't like US malitry presence in their home land or American are waiting for some korean or japanease desperate young guys to hijack some US planes and hit the white house/Panatagon!!
I think American can't understand the things unless u knock their heads :-) LoL
Can our American friend THX and Bill explain why US is insisting its malitry presence in Korea/Japan...
I'd be more than happy for the U.S. to bail out of every country that doesn't want us there. I'm tired of us playing protector. Let em kill each other, then they'll come running back to us for help and we can say "No thanks, we tried that, you didn't like it, we're not putting ourselves in that situation again".
That's a pattycake answer to a pretty complex set of circumstances, JT.
So the US should abandon involvement when it's in the national interest simply because colleges have enough of an organization to get a fairly large crowd of students out in the streets?
An unstable Korea is not a threat to most of the Pacific?
"I'm tired of the U.S. being blamed for all the ills of the world..."
Consider who is doing the blaming.
When the government in Seoul -- not street protestors -- says that it feels safe and confident without a US presence on the peninsula, then it will ask for a withdrawl of troops, and the US will comply.
Stability there is in the US national interest, too.
Stability there is in the US national interest, too. ---- Rick
So its all US national interest for which US install its malitry bases in the region, in spite of this fact that local people don't like their malitry presence !!!??? whats the difference left b/w colonial britians and The US???
An unstable Korea is not a threat to most of the Pacific? --- Rick
NO! b'coz majority population of the Pacific region (Korea, Japan, china and phillipean) don't think like that! we have seen large protests against US malitry presence in all these three countries, its all US frustration about north korea, its all US own agenda which is keeping the two brothers north and south korea divided when they will unit they will no more be threat for the Pacific region offcourse they may become threat for US But they will certainly not be a threat for the region!
US does not want north and south korea to be united b'coz after that US will have no reason to stay their and this is what US doesn't want.
"So its all US national interest for which US install its malitry bases in the region, in spite of this fact that local people don't like their malitry presence !!!???"
That's right, Naeem!!!!
This might be news to you, but Pakistan acts in its national interest, too. Every country does, first and foremost. And if they're smart, they don't base their decisions on the crowds the people who don't care about their national interests can bring out into the street.
"whats the difference left b/w colonial britians and The US???"
There's probably some similarities, but on the larger points I think there's a lot of difference.
Since you appear to be mostly guided by your resentments, there's very little anyone could say. You're a very frightened person, Naeem.
Sid the Kid should be rightfully frightened. He should be micturating in his pants. His religion - Islam - has been overrun by extremists and zealots and is on the pathway to imploding. Most Islamic nations have volatile populations with discontent simmering. Many - like Iraq and Pakistan - have festering youth ready to explode.
And his country - Pukistan - is not descending into total chaos and disaster because of American munificence.
Islam is a noble religion that has been victimized by the excesses of its followers. Monsters like so dumb insane, the Iranian mullahs and the Pukistani religious bigots have destroyed Islam.
jethro bodine 12/11/02 7:48am – like all other warmongering idiots , you are hiding your head in the sand.
Well it is better than being a coward with your head in the sand!
The neighbors
The Kurds in Iraq – and we know how they were treated - will occupy the oil city of Kirkuk and thus acquire a strong economic base for an independent state of Kurdistan.
Turkey, which has no oil of its own, will use the overthrow of Saddam to move into Iraqi Kurdistan and occupy the oil region of Kirkuk and Mosul. The Turks hate the Kurds as much as so dumb did.
The Saudi Royal dictatorship will make sure that the "contagion of western style democracy" implanted into Iraq does not spread to its kingdom and will undermine the post-Saddam regime.
The Mullahs in Iran - a Shia majority country - will assist the long-suppressed Shia majority in Iraq to get even with their erstwhile Sunni rulers who have governed Iraq since 1638. That means a long-running Sunni-Shia civil war.
Syria, which is ruled by Bashar Assad, who belongs to a Shia subsect of Alawis, will be sympathetic to the Shia aspirations.
So what? The threat to the US will be taken care of. If some nations want to fight over the carcass, I say let them.
The threat to the US will be taken care of.
sigh - the stuff one has to put up with!!
if little boy proves that so dumb has WMD's then he is eliminated. The instability of the area, the impact on oil supplies still remains. The last civil war in Lebanon lasted from 1975 to 1990. Let's bear that in mind. We are still in Afghanistan a year later and the job there is not done. The chaos in a Iraq destabilized will make Afghanistan look like heaven. And the AQ will find a fecund outlet for its diabolical designs on the US.
Winning the peace is as difficult as winning the war.
Jethro's a fool if he thinks the United States has no stake in a stable Iraq and no obligation to work toward that end once the war is over.
Thankfully, jethro is fringe.
Triple deuces joe.
And the AQ will find a fecund outlet for its diabolical designs on the US.
No taking out Saddam will take out support for AQ.
Jethro's a fool if he thinks the United States has no stake in a stable Iraq and no obligation to work toward that end once the war is over.
There has been instablity in the mideast for decades. My guess is one power or the other will take control of Iraq soon after. There will only a short interruption in the delivery Iraqui oil and that is the only interest anyone has in Iraq. Only a FOOL would think otherwise.
That's a bad guess, Mr. Fringe.
So you can see the future, Rick? Hey everybody come hear Rick the soothsayer! I guess it does have a ring to it. How much are you going to charge?
Think I could get work with Nancy Reagan, jethro?
I doubt that you are that good.
We will have to view the deal with Yemen just like the need to back Musharraf of Pukistan I guess. Like Musharraf, the current Yemeni leadership is autocratic and despised by its people. But it is in our interests to work with these charlatans and try to swing them in the right direction politically - while utilizing them to rout AQ. Even in the US we have learnt to live with a moron President and his penchant for despotism and who was not elected by a majority of voters.
Still waiting for evidence of Iraq's WMDs and links to AQ.
I can't believe that Bush is more of a moron than you Naradar.
Well let us know when you approve then o.k.
I'm sure he has none Naradar, I mean he said he didn't. He even wrote it down in 12,000 easy to read pages for ya.
On your mark, get set....
AP: President Bush to order military to get smallpox vaccine within weeks, plans for emergency workers in early 2003.
I'm sure it's S.O.P. but why now? 5,4,3,2,1,,,,,
We will have to view the deal with Yemen just like the need to back Musharraf of Pukistan I guess. --- Naradar
Musharraf is not despised by Pakistanis, the parties who support the musharraf policies won most seats in Oct. Elections, I think the situation is much batter then the Hindu fundamentalist State India where Hindu fanatics are ruling the country agaist the wishes of people where Hindu terrorists are committing organize genocide of minorities like Muslims, Chiristians and Sikhs. Main culprit of Gujrate and Mumbai massacre is now deputy Prime minister of India!
I can't believe that Bush is more of a moron than you Naradar. --- jethro bodine
you don't have to! b'coz Naradar belong to a country where his fellow countrymen are burning alive innocent and unarmed men, women, children and infants as their religious duty just b'coz those people are not Hindus and they belong to other religions Like Islam, Chiristianity, Sikhism and Budhism!
I'm sure he has none Naradar, I mean he said he didn't. He even wrote it down in 12,000 easy to read pages --- Luv2Fly
everyone is sure about it! :-) Iraq don' have any WMD, its all Iraqi oil that is real problem for oil hunger US!
India also have WMD, India is being ruled by religious fantics, India have bad relation with all of its neighbours it has fought 3 wars with Pakistan and one with china and defeated on most of those wars by Pakistan and China, India invaded into srilanka, Indian nukes are in hand of Hindu terrorists! why US not looking at this scoundrel state India which is becoming a threat for whole region????
President Bush to order military to get smallpox vaccine within weeks --- Clue Master
Why?? Do American not complete their vaccination on their childhood :-)) LoL
Look at pakistan's record of minorties eliminated systamatically under the watchfull eyes of western nations --- keshto bajrangi
Minorities consist 5% of Pakistan whole population, they have share in Parliment, establishment, Malitry and business and economy. Their religious places are safe and protected by state unlike india where Mosques, churches are destroyed by state officials in the name of Hindutva, minorities are not burned alive and raped on the streets as it keeps happening in india with full suport of state!
Besides, your abdul kadar khan stole the tech from holland, UNLIKE INDIA --- keshto bajrangi
you are big time bajrangi lier! India stole the nukes from russia!
MMA is a official mullah party of pakistan unlike BJP. --- keshto bajrangi
MMA is not ruling the country but BJP is ruling the country
UNLIKE INDIA WITH PRIMINISTER N DEMOCRACY.
Indian democracy is a mockery on democracy and a shame for this modren civilization, India a democracy where crimnals are deputy PM and CM
you can call India a monster of democracy
the feat which was unparallel even looking at WWII records, and pakistan got desmembered, --- keshto bajrangi
India also made a world record in which more then 100,000 Indian dumbo armies were sent to hell by Pakistan during 1948 and 1965 war and some how similar no by China in 1962 war WWWWOWWWW ! you moron bajrangi :- ))) LoL
Yes sabarmati express is a live example -- keshto bajrangi
Sabarmati is another example if Hindu brutality, it show that hindu Birahamin can kill their own fellow hindus just b'coz they are lower cast Dillites and Shoders! these lower cast hindus are just little insects for upper cast Birahmins.
India a Shame on the face of humanity
Why?? Do American not complete their vaccination on their childhood :-)) LoL
No, we don't do smallpox vaccinations any longer. In fact, we haven't in about thirty years because we virtually wiped it out, here in America.
I suppose when they stopped doing it thirty years ago, they never figured some nutballs would some day try and use it as a weapon against us.
Don't you think, fold, (of course you don't!) that the our military stationed in other countries are more at risk from attack with small pox than say people in Minnesota?
So you don't think fold, that when we are on the verge of going to war with Iraq who may have smallpox to be used as a weapon that the military is not at risk? Buck up man! Get over your fears and live!
We could learn a lesson from the Europeans in this regard. They live their lives under the threat of terrorism and they don't scurry about looking for the magic innoculation here or the perfect assurance of safety there.
If we continue on that path, the terrorists will have taken more from us than we know.
We could learn a lesson from the Europeans in this regard. They live their lives under the threat of terrorism and they don't scurry about looking for the magic innoculation here or the perfect assurance of safety there.
yeah we could bend over and offer it to terrorists instead of confronting them.
-- U.S. officials say Iran building two large nuclear facilities in secret that might be used to build nuclear weapons.
Oh, surprise?
Don't you think, fold, (of course you don't!) that the our military stationed in other countries are more at risk from attack with small pox than say people in Minnesota? --- jethro
Yeah! i have seen the hatefull protests against US malitry in south korea and japan! these american rape and kill the innocent girls of their hosts, how filthy these american are!!!
The "Enemy", has killed more U.S. Citizens within the United States, than outside of the United States --- Bill
Shame on your security agencies and dumb spies on which your country is spending billions, I think its more pity and painfull to feel unsafe myself with in my home then outside my home among enemies :-) and u are still proud of being american! thats why I thank to God that i am not an American ;)
and by the way, been tried by the countries and/or the Military and are either in prison or out of the service or both. --- Bill - Fold
why not death panelty!!!?? rapist have death panelty in Pakistan
Now then, how many "Burnings" have the men of YOUR country inflicted upon the women of your ass-backwards 3rd-world country ---Bill - Fold
burning alive and rapes of innocent women espacialy minorities and lower cast dillits are favourite habbit of our neighbour India not ours. where hindu fundamentalists are ruling the country!
their are human right violations of women in pakistan too but its all happens in remote tribal areas, lets hope newly elected gov. in Pakistan take some strong actions against all those illitrate feudal lords who commit those crimes against women. The ruling party prommised to pass a law to give death panelty for those people who commit honor killing of women.
burning alive and rapes of innocent women espacialy minorities and lower cast dillits are favourite habbit of our neighbour India not ours.
B.S.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pakistan+abuse+of+women
as I have said earlier there are human right violation against women in Pakistan but its all done by indivisuals or group of few peoples but these crimes are not being committed by so-called political parties and sponsered by state to gain the support of majority as it keep happening in India where Hindu fanatics organize the genocide of minorities like muslims and chiristian to get support and vote of Hindu majority and ruling party BJP support all those carnages and barbarism
Look what indian women tell about Gujrate massacre commited by Hindu terrorists in India!
HOW HAS THE GUJARAT MASSACRE AFFECTED MINORITY WOMEN ?
The Survivors Speak
http://www.ektaonline.org/cac/resources/reports/womensreport.htm
The main culprite is now contesting the elections despite he should be punished for all his crimes and he would also be the CM of Indian province Gujrate b'coz gujrate is a hindu majority province. the same person and same party also committed the same kind of crimes against chiristian in the same state Gujrate.
When crimes against humanity is considered honor and tool to gain political support it mean the whole society is moraly currupt and this is the difference b/w us and India we consider crimes against humanity as crimes, we go after them and try to punish them we don't make them Cheif minister and Deputy Prime minister of country
This for you in response what u gave to me :-)
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=US+abuse+of+women
But I beleive in US abuses against women cannot persuade people to vote a person as a president who is the main culprite of all those crimes!
When will you be "Bending Over"?(I am certain SLOOP will want to hear about this)
fold, you seem to have an unusual interest in this type of thing. I wonder, why?
This for you in response what u gave to me :-)
Gotta admit, that was a good comeback.
However, I can't think of a time where a man or a gang of men, set a woman on fire for "honor" here in the U.S.
Actually, although I'm sure it's happened, I can't think of any time it's happened at all.
hey sid the kid - Naeem Siddiqui 12/13/02 6:27am
what is the point you are trying to get across?
To me it appears that your contention is that Hindus are more extreme and violent and sadistic and hence the excesses of Islam must be considered benign.
The people of the subcontinent have revealed a penchant for extreme violence against each other and towards the weaker sections of their own society. Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nepalese - look back at their history over even the last 50 years and you will find it pock marked with brutal squabbling.
Disassociate the subcontinent and in the rest of the globe there has been a constant escalation of Islamic inspired violence and terrorism. After 911, it has become the focus all over the world.
No one outside of its borders gives a rats arse damn about subcontinental squabbling - as long as it is confined there.
Islamic extremism is what has also led to this policy against Iraq.
Trying to point fingers at the Hindus does not exculpate the Islamic barbarians of today.
To me it appears that your contention is that Hindus are more extreme and violent and sadistic ---- Naradar
Hey Naradar Old scrap! its human who can be extremist or moderate BUT WHAT Hindu terrorist did with innocent muslims and chiristian civilian in indian state gujrate can never be expected by any human its all evilness and your counry is being ruled by those evil powers
Naradar! can all these be expected by any human !!! ???
A META-NARRATIVE OF BESTIALITY
http://www.ektaonline.org/cac/resources/reports/womensreport.htm
“But what they did to my sister-in-law’s sister Kausar Bano was horrific and heinous. She was 9 months pregnant. They cut open her belly, took out her foetus with a sword and threw it into a blazing fire. Then they burnt her as well.”
Source: Saira Banu, Naroda Patia (recorded at the Shah-e-Alam Camp on March 27th, 2002).
Naradar your evil country left no reason to exist any more!!!
No one outside of its borders gives a rats arse damn about subcontinental squabbling - as long as it is confined there. --- Naradar
each and every sane society, organizations and country has condemned the brutal terrorist act in gujrate by Hindu terrorists except those morons sitting in white house, lots of American human right organizations also condemned India.
There is no difference b/w 3000 innocent muslims/chiristians who were murdered by Hindu terrorists in Indian state gujrate and those who died in NY and washington b'coz every human has equal respect and dignity whether they Live in NY or in Gujrate
Islamic extremism is what has also led to this policy against Iraq. --- Naradar
Its all OIL not Islamic extremism for oil hunger US which is leading to the policy against Iraq, every body knows this except you Bajrangi trained hindu moron :-)
Its all OIL not Islamic extremism for oil hunger US which is leading to the policy against Iraq, every body knows this except you Bajrangi trained hindu moron :-)
So you are saying that it has nothing to do with this...
If all we wanted was oil, why don't we just say that Saddam can have whatever he wants as long as we get the oil? It would be a lot easier, way cheaper and cost less lives.
Look at these news articles
The U.S., Russia And Iraqi Oil
http://www3.sympatico.ca/truegrowth/globalizationofoil.html
Giants of the American and Russian oil industries will come together in Houston this week for the first U.S.-Russia Commercial Energy Summit. The event will bring together Cabinet members, top corporate executives, legislators and financiers and could lead to a breakthrough. It will be an opportunity for the United States and Russia to lay the foundation for a genuine global energy partnership
US warned not to seize control of Iraqi oil
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/30/1035683473584.html
The chief executive of BP, Lord Browne, has warned Washington not to carve up Iraq for its own oil companies in the aftermath of any future war.
In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue
U.S. Drillers Eye Huge Petroleum Pool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A18841-2002Sep14¬Found=true
A U.S.-led ouster of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein could open a bonanza for American oil companies long banished from Iraq, scuttling oil deals between Baghdad and Russia, France and other countries, and reshuffling world petroleum markets, according to industry officials and leaders of the Iraqi opposition.
Scramble to carve up Iraqi oil reserves lies behind US diplomacy
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,805530,00.html
Manoeuvres shaped by horsetrading between America, Russia and France over control of untapped oilfields
Oil is emerging as the key factor in US attempts to secure the support of Russia and France for military action against Iraq, according to an Observer investigation.
Dear Zachary! are these enough to satisfy your empty brain or should I give more to you :-))
I don't think that the hostility displayed by guys like Naeem is indicative of what's found in Pakistan.
The exchange between the two of them has been illuminating some ways. Were it not for 9/11 and all its fallout, we probably wouldn't know the intensity that the bitterness between India and Pakistan has reached.
we probably wouldn't know the intensity that the bitterness between India and Pakistan has reached.
Remember the chest thumping back and forth between the two with bomb tests?
Not on a human level, between people who live there or have ties there.
Not on a human level, between people who live there or have ties there.
I remember on the street interviews from that time and it was like "We'll kick thier ass", "No, we'll kick their ass", "No, we'll kick their ass"......
http://www.dawn.com/2002/12/15/top17.htm
SEOUL, Dec 14: Tens of thousands of people carrying candles descended on the US embassy here Saturday to protest what they considered was an inadequate US response to the deaths of two schoolgirls crushed by a US military vehicle in June.
Regular protests have rocked Seoul for a month as the anti-US sentiment sparked by a US court martial's decision to acquit two soldiers on charges of negligent homicide in the incident has reached a near boiling point.
Can our American friend THX and Bill explain why US is insisting its malitry presence in Korea/Japan while majority population of these countries don't like US malitry presence in their home land or American are waiting for some korean or japanease desperate young guys to hijack some US planes and hit the white house/Panatagon!!
I think American can't understand the things unless u knock their heads :-) LoL
Can our American friend THX and Bill explain why US is insisting its malitry presence in Korea/Japan...
I'd be more than happy for the U.S. to bail out of every country that doesn't want us there. I'm tired of us playing protector. Let em kill each other, then they'll come running back to us for help and we can say "No thanks, we tried that, you didn't like it, we're not putting ourselves in that situation again".
That's a pattycake answer to a pretty complex set of circumstances, JT.
So the US should abandon involvement when it's in the national interest simply because colleges have enough of an organization to get a fairly large crowd of students out in the streets?
An unstable Korea is not a threat to most of the Pacific?
Yeah, we should abandon them.
I'm tired of the U.S. being blamed for all the ills of the world and I'm tired of paying for it.
Let them fight it out and blame each other for awhile.
"I'm tired of the U.S. being blamed for all the ills of the world..."
Consider who is doing the blaming.
When the government in Seoul -- not street protestors -- says that it feels safe and confident without a US presence on the peninsula, then it will ask for a withdrawl of troops, and the US will comply.
Stability there is in the US national interest, too.
I know, I'm just being stupid. Call it frustration.
Stability there is in the US national interest, too. ---- Rick
So its all US national interest for which US install its malitry bases in the region, in spite of this fact that local people don't like their malitry presence !!!??? whats the difference left b/w colonial britians and The US???
An unstable Korea is not a threat to most of the Pacific? --- Rick
NO! b'coz majority population of the Pacific region (Korea, Japan, china and phillipean) don't think like that! we have seen large protests against US malitry presence in all these three countries, its all US frustration about north korea, its all US own agenda which is keeping the two brothers north and south korea divided when they will unit they will no more be threat for the Pacific region offcourse they may become threat for US But they will certainly not be a threat for the region!
US does not want north and south korea to be united b'coz after that US will have no reason to stay their and this is what US doesn't want.
"So its all US national interest for which US install its malitry bases in the region, in spite of this fact that local people don't like their malitry presence !!!???"
That's right, Naeem!!!!
This might be news to you, but Pakistan acts in its national interest, too. Every country does, first and foremost. And if they're smart, they don't base their decisions on the crowds the people who don't care about their national interests can bring out into the street.
"whats the difference left b/w colonial britians and The US???"
There's probably some similarities, but on the larger points I think there's a lot of difference.
Since you appear to be mostly guided by your resentments, there's very little anyone could say. You're a very frightened person, Naeem.
You're a very frightened person, Naeem.
Sid the Kid should be rightfully frightened. He should be micturating in his pants. His religion - Islam - has been overrun by extremists and zealots and is on the pathway to imploding. Most Islamic nations have volatile populations with discontent simmering. Many - like Iraq and Pakistan - have festering youth ready to explode.
And his country - Pukistan - is not descending into total chaos and disaster because of American munificence.
Islam is a noble religion that has been victimized by the excesses of its followers. Monsters like so dumb insane, the Iranian mullahs and the Pukistani religious bigots have destroyed Islam.