Unlike you, apparently, I think women have the maturity to provide their own birth control. Furthermore, I believe they have the capability of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy without killing the child.how much sex education have you provided kids so they don't get pregnant? I have no problem with telling them the facts. The number one fact being abstinence is 100% effective.what have YOU done to prevent an abortion before it was considered? What do you think I am doing here?
The thing is, if a person stops drinking water, the body automatically shuts down and the person dies within 5 days.
so, you are saying you would force someone to dehydrate themselves in order to avoid a longer gruesome death?
that's awful.
Either you are mistaken or you are lying
well, you said...
I believe murderers should be executed
now, either you think that a woman who aborts her fetus is a murderer and should be executed OR you don't think a woman aborting her fetus is commiting murder.
now, if you don't think it's murder, say so...but if you DO think it's murder, than you are saying that all women who have aborted their fetuses should be executed.
now, either you think that a woman who aborts her fetus is a murderer and should be executed OR you don't think a woman aborting her fetus is commiting murder. I pointed out specifically the person that actually performs the abortion is doing the killing. The woman that wants an abortion does want to kill the unborn child but they are not actaully committing the act.
now, if you don't think it's murder, say so...but if you DO think it's murder, than you are saying that all women who have aborted their fetuses should be executed. Apparently you don't understand that legal consequences should be based on the actual acts of people.
well..."Choose" Life says there should be a choice, and while the people who sport this slogan want to eliminate choice, they don't see the contradiction. Not surprising then that so many of them also put a fish on their cars. The fish isn't a flat, two-demensional one, but a raised relief emblem. Now, when something like that has the three denesional quality, it has a name....it's a "graven image". Now, the fish represents the mark of the early Christian, someone who would presumably believe in the Ten Commandments. The contradiction they fail to see here is that the second Commandment says "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
and yet they so called "Christians" put a graven image of something that is in the water under the earth right on their car, next to the license plate that proclaims that a woman should "Choose" Life.
These are some confused people we are dealing with here.
so, you are saying you would force someone to dehydrate themselves in order to avoid a longer gruesome death?
Listen to the word you are using...force...
When a person is in the stage of dying that they no longer desire to eat or drink and the process of eating or drinking hurts their body more than not eating or drinking, they should not have a relative force feed them or squirt water down their mouth.
The person should be allowed to complete the process which the body has started when ingesting things is painful. Allowing the natural process of the body shutting down is the humaine thing to do to help this loved one pass on.
Conception to natural death.
that's awful.
What is awful is not letting the natural course of things to occur.
What is awful is not letting the natural course of things to occur.
the "natural course of things" can involve years of torturous pain and humiliation with no relief.
as for conception....I suppose you wanna force hidiously deformed fetuses to be born as well. Hey, just because it doesn't have a spine doesn't mean it's not life, right?
Are you saying 15 years ago Florida was not run by Bible Belt Baptists, conservative Christians, or right-wingers? I also believe Democrats are still in the majority here in Florida. It just so happens that many democrats have voted republican the last few elections. They must be dissatisfied with the democratic view on issues.
Why does that surprise you that I said these things, which are quite simply, the facts?
Because I believe in your heart you are against abortion and it is disappointing to me when someone who is against abortion does more speaking that seems to support it.
Thoughts for the day..........
Whether a person is for the choice of abortion or for the choice of life for the unborn child, there are steps that can be taken to help people (boys/girls men/women) not to get into a situation where the thought even enters their minds.
1) Make a course for elementary level students which teaches human growth and development concentrating on the stages of life from conception to death and looking at life by developmental age and physical development, psychosocial (emotional) development, and cognitive (mental) development.
This course could go over many aspects of life a person faces as they grow from bullying, positive self image, good character traits, peer pressure, dating, responsibilities to society and self, just say no, accountability for choices, marriage, job success, and giving back to society, growing old.
Maybe by making it a course that is built upon each year instead of just some sayings hanging on a wall it could help instill the values and strength each boy and girl needs to build confidence, and to help them make a positive and successful path in life.
Whether a person is for the choice of abortion or for the choice of life for the unborn child, there are steps that can be taken to help people (boys/girls men/women) not to get into a situation where the thought even enters their minds
I have no problem with this. It's a very good idea.
Paula I - (PFID:13d102) - 08:12am Apr 29, 2002 PST (# 53 of 405)
And now for the next story about a positive choice made in a difficult situation.
I had a friend named Cathy. She made a choice. Here is her story.
Cathy wanted a child. She was married and her life was going well. She was not a religious person. She became pregnant and was very happy.
During her pregnancy she had tests which indicated her baby was not developing normally. Her baby had encephaly (sp?) I believe it is called. The baby basically did not have a completely formed brain at the brain stem.
She was encouraged by her doctor, friends and family to have an abortion. There was no chance the baby would ever survive and have a normal life.
She chose to carry the pregnancy to term, knowing that the baby at best would live a few days.
When the baby was born, she did not have a normal head, and the back of her head was pretty much not there. The baby was sad to look at for most, barely looking human.
Cathy stayed at the hospital despite being encouraged by nurses to go home and rest. She held her baby and took pictures of her. She named her baby. She sung to her baby, nurtured her, kissed her and loved her.
The baby lived for a few days and then finally died. But the baby died with the experience of being loved, the child got to experience being held by her mother. Her mother got to love her child and say goodbye.
Afterwards, Cathy carried a modest picture of her baby. Cathy's close friend was shocked that Cathy carried and showed the picture of her baby to others. Her friend did not know how to respond other than to ridicule Cathy to others.
I think Cathy is so brave for having the courage to go thru her experience with the goal of loving her child. The love of a mother for her child has no bounds!
Years later, Cathy is still ok, and knows she made the right decision, despite the lack of support from those she should have been able to count on.
um, is that supposed to imply that if you shoot horses than its ok to shoot a human?
no
it means that they will shoot a horse instead of letting it remain in pain.
it means that sometimes death is mercy.
it means that to force a human being to have to live in an utterly hopeless, degrading and painfull way with no dignity or quality of life until their body can no longer physically stand it and gives up is inhumane.
so its ok if I come shoot you and it would be no loss to anyone? or did you mean something else?
if I find myself in a situation where life is no longer of a quality where it's worth living and I am in pain a suffering in such a way that it cannot be prevented, then yes, give me the consideration that you would give a horse and kill me. Don't force me to live under conditions that aren't worth living in.
Only you can't, because our government has decided that a person's life is not their own to make such a decision about.
it means that to force a human being to have to live in an utterly hopeless, degrading and painfull way with no dignity or quality of life until their body can no longer physically stand it and gives up is inhumane. Of course that could not apply to most unborn children. Second the story gave no indication that the child was in pain.
if I find myself in a situation where life is no longer of a quality where it's worth living and I am in pain a suffering in such a way that it cannot be prevented, then yes, give me the consideration that you would give a horse and kill me. No. But if you want to kill yourself I say go ahead.Don't force me to live under conditions that aren't worth living in. Just because someone won't put you out of your misery doesn't mean they are forcing you to endure it.
it means that to force a human being to have to live in an utterly hopeless, degrading and painfull way with no dignity or quality of life until their body can no longer physically stand it and gives up is inhumane.
If the person is going in that direction, they would be on pain medication most likely, Correct?
Then the own person could intently choose to not ingest food or water and his/her body would slowly shut down and they would pass away peacefully in a few days. Plain and simple. The timing would be their choice. Nobody's conscience but their own. A person cannot live with the absence of food and water for more than 5 days... ask a nurse familiar with death and dying and they will verify it.
Like a rose-we grow and blossom and when bad things happen to us? Its when He is pruning us back a bit to help us grow and blossom even more from the experience.
crabgrass 1/6/03 10:23am
Yes I am familiar in an up close and personal way.
The thing is, if a person stops drinking water, the body automatically shuts down and the person dies within 5 days.
That isn't a long time.
I wrote: Did I say that? Prison would be enough for the women. Maybe the abortionists should face the death penalty.
crabs responded: yes, you did say that.
Either you are mistaken or you are lying.
Unlike you, apparently, I think women have the maturity to provide their own birth control. Furthermore, I believe they have the capability of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy without killing the child.how much sex education have you provided kids so they don't get pregnant? I have no problem with telling them the facts. The number one fact being abstinence is 100% effective.what have YOU done to prevent an abortion before it was considered? What do you think I am doing here?
so, you are saying you would force someone to dehydrate themselves in order to avoid a longer gruesome death?
that's awful.
well, you said...
now, either you think that a woman who aborts her fetus is a murderer and should be executed OR you don't think a woman aborting her fetus is commiting murder.
now, if you don't think it's murder, say so...but if you DO think it's murder, than you are saying that all women who have aborted their fetuses should be executed.
about this I am neither mistaken or lying
and the person who decides to have it done is (if you think it's murder) a murderer.
or are you saying that if women do the abortion themselves that is the only way they are guilty of it?
now, either you think that a woman who aborts her fetus is a murderer and should be executed OR you don't think a woman aborting her fetus is commiting murder. I pointed out specifically the person that actually performs the abortion is doing the killing. The woman that wants an abortion does want to kill the unborn child but they are not actaully committing the act.
now, if you don't think it's murder, say so...but if you DO think it's murder, than you are saying that all women who have aborted their fetuses should be executed. Apparently you don't understand that legal consequences should be based on the actual acts of people.
so, you are trying to say that I can hire someone to kill someone and not be guilty of killing anyone?
wow
women that seek abortions are guilty of seeking out an immoral act. While seeking an abortion is morally repugnant the actual performance is more so.
well..."Choose" Life says there should be a choice, and while the people who sport this slogan want to eliminate choice, they don't see the contradiction. Not surprising then that so many of them also put a fish on their cars. The fish isn't a flat, two-demensional one, but a raised relief emblem. Now, when something like that has the three denesional quality, it has a name....it's a "graven image". Now, the fish represents the mark of the early Christian, someone who would presumably believe in the Ten Commandments. The contradiction they fail to see here is that the second Commandment says "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
and yet they so called "Christians" put a graven image of something that is in the water under the earth right on their car, next to the license plate that proclaims that a woman should "Choose" Life.
These are some confused people we are dealing with here.
the choice should be between breaking the law and obeying it.
crabgrass 1/6/03 10:42am
Listen to the word you are using...force...
When a person is in the stage of dying that they no longer desire to eat or drink and the process of eating or drinking hurts their body more than not eating or drinking, they should not have a relative force feed them or squirt water down their mouth.
The person should be allowed to complete the process which the body has started when ingesting things is painful. Allowing the natural process of the body shutting down is the humaine thing to do to help this loved one pass on.
Conception to natural death.
What is awful is not letting the natural course of things to occur.
the "natural course of things" can involve years of torturous pain and humiliation with no relief.
as for conception....I suppose you wanna force hidiously deformed fetuses to be born as well. Hey, just because it doesn't have a spine doesn't mean it's not life, right?
Hey, just because it doesn't have a spine doesn't mean it's not life, right?
You seem to be alive, crabs.
and you seem to be brain dead.
what's your point?
'Bill - Fold' 1/7/03 4:47am
Are you saying 15 years ago Florida was not run by Bible Belt Baptists, conservative Christians, or right-wingers? I also believe Democrats are still in the majority here in Florida. It just so happens that many democrats have voted republican the last few elections. They must be dissatisfied with the democratic view on issues.
Because I believe in your heart you are against abortion and it is disappointing to me when someone who is against abortion does more speaking that seems to support it.
Thoughts for the day..........
1) Make a course for elementary level students which teaches human growth and development concentrating on the stages of life from conception to death and looking at life by developmental age and physical development, psychosocial (emotional) development, and cognitive (mental) development.
This course could go over many aspects of life a person faces as they grow from bullying, positive self image, good character traits, peer pressure, dating, responsibilities to society and self, just say no, accountability for choices, marriage, job success, and giving back to society, growing old.
Maybe by making it a course that is built upon each year instead of just some sayings hanging on a wall it could help instill the values and strength each boy and girl needs to build confidence, and to help them make a positive and successful path in life.
crabgrass 1/7/03 9:41am
Let me share a story about my friend Cathy.
be back soon.
and you seem to be brain dead.
I have my issues but that isn't one of them.
I have no problem with this. It's a very good idea.
I thought I could locate the story thru a search but I cannot at this moment.
I will have to get back with you another time, I need to go for now.
Paula I 8/22/02 6:30pm
Is this it?
crabgrass 1/7/03 9:41am
Paula I - (PFID:13d102) - 08:12am Apr 29, 2002 PST (# 53 of 405)
And now for the next story about a positive choice made in a difficult situation.
I had a friend named Cathy. She made a choice. Here is her story.
Cathy wanted a child. She was married and her life was going well. She was not a religious person. She became pregnant and was very happy.
During her pregnancy she had tests which indicated her baby was not developing normally. Her baby had encephaly (sp?) I believe it is called. The baby basically did not have a completely formed brain at the brain stem.
She was encouraged by her doctor, friends and family to have an abortion. There was no chance the baby would ever survive and have a normal life.
She chose to carry the pregnancy to term, knowing that the baby at best would live a few days.
When the baby was born, she did not have a normal head, and the back of her head was pretty much not there. The baby was sad to look at for most, barely looking human.
Cathy stayed at the hospital despite being encouraged by nurses to go home and rest. She held her baby and took pictures of her. She named her baby. She sung to her baby, nurtured her, kissed her and loved her.
The baby lived for a few days and then finally died. But the baby died with the experience of being loved, the child got to experience being held by her mother. Her mother got to love her child and say goodbye.
Afterwards, Cathy carried a modest picture of her baby. Cathy's close friend was shocked that Cathy carried and showed the picture of her baby to others. Her friend did not know how to respond other than to ridicule Cathy to others.
I think Cathy is so brave for having the courage to go thru her experience with the goal of loving her child. The love of a mother for her child has no bounds!
Years later, Cathy is still ok, and knows she made the right decision, despite the lack of support from those she should have been able to count on.
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THX 1138 1/7/03 10:27am
Yep! that was it too. Thanks.
they shoot horses, don't they?
no
it means that they will shoot a horse instead of letting it remain in pain.
it means that sometimes death is mercy.
it means that to force a human being to have to live in an utterly hopeless, degrading and painfull way with no dignity or quality of life until their body can no longer physically stand it and gives up is inhumane.
if I find myself in a situation where life is no longer of a quality where it's worth living and I am in pain a suffering in such a way that it cannot be prevented, then yes, give me the consideration that you would give a horse and kill me. Don't force me to live under conditions that aren't worth living in.
Only you can't, because our government has decided that a person's life is not their own to make such a decision about.
it means that to force a human being to have to live in an utterly hopeless, degrading and painfull way with no dignity or quality of life until their body can no longer physically stand it and gives up is inhumane. Of course that could not apply to most unborn children. Second the story gave no indication that the child was in pain.
if I find myself in a situation where life is no longer of a quality where it's worth living and I am in pain a suffering in such a way that it cannot be prevented, then yes, give me the consideration that you would give a horse and kill me. No. But if you want to kill yourself I say go ahead.Don't force me to live under conditions that aren't worth living in. Just because someone won't put you out of your misery doesn't mean they are forcing you to endure it.
well, since I'm not talking about a fetus, that really means nothing.
if I am unable to do it myself that's exactly what it means.
well, since I'm not talking about a fetus, that really means nothing.
You really shouldn't be so closed minded about labels. A fetus is an unborn child, nitwit.
if I am unable to do it myself that's exactly what it means.
The only force in those circumstances would be the force of nature.
and if nature is going to involve a month or a year of suffering?
I know...you want me to go through the additional torture of dehydration.
thanks for nothing.
you care more about a fetus than you do about the people out here walking around.
He knows the fetus won't argue back and call him names.
Not at all. But it isn't for ME to decide. It is a very deep personal matter. But generally if you don't get any water it will take a max of 10 days.
crabgrass 1/8/03 1:13pm
If the person is going in that direction, they would be on pain medication most likely, Correct?
Then the own person could intently choose to not ingest food or water and his/her body would slowly shut down and they would pass away peacefully in a few days. Plain and simple. The timing would be their choice. Nobody's conscience but their own. A person cannot live with the absence of food and water for more than 5 days... ask a nurse familiar with death and dying and they will verify it.
Or better yet, ask someone who works in hospice care.
I'm not saying to kill them if they don't want to die.
I'm saying they have a right to ask for help in choosing how to die.
If the only choice is dehydrating with dignity, that ain't a choice. I'm saying it ain't the state's choice to make.
Like a rose-we grow and blossom and when bad things happen to us? Its when He is pruning us back a bit to help us grow and blossom even more from the experience.
jethro bodine 1/8/03 1:19pm
jethro bodine 1/8/03 1:31pm
jethro bodine 1/8/03 1:54pm
please don't force your God on me
thank you
this from a candy coated sex object?
I wasn't aware that the feds were making a law against displaying a picture of Bug Eyed Earl
I never beat my wife
this from a candy coated sex object?
hey! that's mygreen m&m you're talking to there, buddy. she's just playin' with ya.
I never beat my wife
I actually get that line- bug eyed earl, not the earl that had to die by the dixie chicks.
I never got a playing card
I'm not Bug eyed Earl, but I play him on TV
if you ask nicely, she might give you a card, crab.
whi-chhhhaaaaaa! ::me2 snaps her whip::
you are an object
i beg to differ with you on that.