I just have to post this, because I'm just so disappointed in people.
We have two breasts removed by mistake, we have 2 cops peeing on two Native Americans, we have a stabbing of a 15 year old girl at a school lunch, and now we have a brain surgery that they operated on the wrong side of the brain. What the heck is going on here??? Wassup with people??? What is up with these doctors??? No explaining would ever, ever forgive such mistakes!
My mother died at United, my LuLu was born there . . . . I think that I'll change hospitals. SUX!!!
I believe the clues were written for Harriet Island and then the last two were for Como. The clues stretch much further for the Como side of the hunt except the last two.
Explanation: Medallion hunters disgruntled at last year’s early end to the hunt. Reveals the puck is in a park — among something, in this case, the leaves. Faith refers to nearby churches, such as St. Andrew’s Catholic Church.
No. 2: Standing here, you can see, so clear
A view of our Capitol dome.
If it’s treasure you seek,
nearby you should peek
And you may see our
medallion’s home.
Explanation: Mural of Capitol dome is on wall near Como Park swimming pool and suggests reader take a peek in nearby woods.
No. 3: Keep yourself warm, away from the storm
Even in the dead of winter.
Wide as triple E, our door will always be
Open to all who enter.
Explanation: The west-facing entrance to Como Park is adorned with a stone entry donated by E.E. Englebert from the Crosby Estate in 1937.
No. 4.: The coldest star will guide you far
In finding the puck this year.
The red white and blue is a
lovely clue
Your legions should hold dear.
Explanation: Coldest star refers to the Star of the North or L’Etoile du Nord, the name of the French Immersion school a couple of blocks from Como Park. Red, white and blue refers to the French flag, and legions to the French Foreign Legion.
No. 5: Treasure hunt lifer,
prepare to cipher.
This one’s yours to keep.
Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
When St. Paul made a great leap.
Explanation: There are seemingly contradictory accounts of when the park was founded — the Web site says 1872, when the state Legislature authorized St. Paul to buy the land; the park signs and other references say 1873, when St. Paul bought the land. Also, Feb. 29, 1872 — leap day — was when the Minnesota Legislature authorized St. Paul to buy land for a park, which turned out to be Como.
No. 6: Of course we all know there’s not too much snow
To cover the place where it’s lying.
But do not dismay, we’ll find a way
To stick it where the sun ain’t
shining.
Explanation: Stick and where “the sun ain’t shining” reveals it’s in a wooded area.
No. 7: Rid of the man she ran and ran,
They say she was quite the talker.
A carpenter’s beau — many said so —
Neared the finish with a walker.
Explanation: Ann Bilansky, convicted of killing her husband, Stanislaus, (“the man” means Stan) escaped from jail and hid out near Lake Como in 1859. She was assisted by John Walker, the carpenter many thought was her lover. Both were caught; she was hanged the following year.
No. 8: Head on out, have not a doubt
A good time to take a stroll.
Gab aloud with the hunting crowd
Lure me precious to your soul.
Explanation: “Me precious” is an oft-repeated line from the ring-obsessed Gollum in the new “Lord of the Rings” movie, “The Two Towers,” which in turn suggest the sandstone walls that once supported the now spanless old streetcar bridge near the medallion site. Take the first words from each of the lines and you will sound out “Hedda Gabler,” a famous play by Henrik Ibsen, whose statue was recently returned to the park after a long absence.
No. 9: Here’s a who done it, now you’ve begun it
To solve this mystery of sorts.
If I were a sleuth, I’d search for the truth
By playing this greatest of sports.
Explanation: Add Horton to “here’s a who,” and you have the title of the famous Dr. Seuss book, “Horton Hears a Who” — and you’ll have discovered Horton Avenue, a street just north of the prize. Sport refers to nearby McMurray Field and the medallion hunt.
No. 10: With a car, you don’t get far
And a horse would get you nowhere.
But celebrate, it’s not too late
For round and round, you’ll get there.
Explanation: Horse to nowhere and round and round refer to the carousel in the park; also car not getting you far refers to the blocked off road near the medallion site.
No. 11: Who hears a who? Search a park with a zoo
Better yet, cross the street from the sculptures.
It’s a little bit cool for a dip in the pool
But a woodsy course will feed you vultures.
Explanation: “Horton” hears a who, as in Clue 9. Como is a park with a zoo, and Horton is the street separating the snow sculptures from the medallion site. The pool is just to the east of the site, and woodsy course refers to a bumpy course — we guess it’s used by dirt bikers — in the wooded area where medallion is hidden.
No. 12: The last of our clues will put leave on your shoes
And should lead you straight to the goods.
Between Como and Horton, a place fit for courtin’,
Is a dense stand of tumbledown woods.
From the old fireplace, look north and pace
Over hillocks that give cyclists pleasure.
The last row of humps faces some fallen-down stumps
Forty paces from the last hill to the treasure.
Fallen trees mark the spot, look low — now you’re hot!
Do not lose your Minnesota Nice.
If you’re in the fine fettle, you’ll discover the medal
Next to timber, under leaves, encased in ice.
Explanation: Clue spells out the location of the medallion.
I think everyone is getting back to normal life. Catching up on cleaning and laundry. Getting back to work and cooking for family. I'm hoping more people will stick around here for most of the year, instead of heading out until the next hunt.
Ahh I see Reg... Well, I learned alot from this years hunt.. I learned that I need to learn a bit of st paul history, alot more about the parks in general, and how to solve complex clues
Shoot, I'll be sticking around a bit, perhaps not everyday or anything like the hunt, but enough to keep in touch with the regulars and to formulate my plan of attack for next year :)
“Me precious” is an oft-repeated line from the ring-obsessed Gollum in the new “Lord of the Rings” movie, “The Two Towers,” which in turn suggest the sandstone walls that once supported the now spanless old streetcar bridge near the medallion site.
First off, even in the book Gollum doesn't say "Me Precious" he says "MY Precious" and second, how would that possiblye lead to sandstone walls? Those two things barely resembel towers at all
The clue writer is going to try something new every year, or at least try. This year, they went heavy on history it seemed. The facts we needed to know were fairly obscure. Even if you got the clues figured out early on, you weren't really going to find it until one of the alst few days. Como is so big that it would have been pure dumb luck to find it before the 11th clue. Next year they will try to outsmart us again. We'll see who wins.
Next year they'll have us checking buildings and landmarks within a mile of each park, and digging into every historical book we can get on each park. Then they'll probably anagram us to death instead. Oh well. Just have to be prepared for anything again.
I think the clues were obvious for Como, (people were talkin about it from like clue 2 or 3) but most people thought that they wouldn't be dumb enough to hide it there again, or didn't want to admit that they would. I suppose depending on who you are it could be good or bad, but from what I've seen and the way I feel, the 2 biggest complaints for the last buncha years has been 1: bad clues, and 2: Como. My perspective (hell yeah, I'm usin big words now...) is that they tricked us into thinking they got smart, then straight bitch slapped us right upside the head by stickin it at Homo. By the way, that ain't a typo. This went from a badass hunt, to a joke, faster than an MTV fad.
After last year's hunt, the people who are making a documentary of the hunt asked some of us hunters to make suggestions on how to make the hunt bigger and last longer. At the time, one of the comments I made was "You could probably have a hunt where you had 11 clues of absolute fluff and then say where it was on the 12th clue, and even though people would grumble about the explanations for a week or so, they would still remember it as one of the great hunts." It would seem after reading these clue explanations and some of the comments I've read on the Water Cooler, that this prediction is actually coming true.
There were a lot of clever things done this year that made this hunt longer. Here are some of the things I believe they did:
Make the clues a bit more vague. If you say look for a hill, people eliminate any park that doesn't have a hill. If you say there are trees at the top of the hill, but that you can sled down the hill away from the trees, then people will look for that. And they will find that stuff like we did last year. But this year the clues were written in such a way that you could find yourself asking, "Are they talking about a carousel or a paddleboat?" And of course people will likely choose the explanation that fits their current theory best, even if that theory is wrong. Even something as simple as not clearly stating it's in a park in St. Paul had people spending time thinking about all kinds of other possibilities.
Use people's assumptions against them. First off, many of us fell into the trap of thinking it couldn't be at Como again, so by putting it there, that alone fooled a lot of people, including me, who never even bothered considering how the clues might fit there. Or writing clues about two different things when people would assume it was all about a single thing such as clue #3 where we were looking for a warm shelter that was always open when we really needed a warm shelter and then in addition a door that was always open.
Misdirection. Very few people I've talked to have any doubt that these clues were almost certainly written in such a way that they could and would be applied to other parks. They certainly seemed to fit Harriet pretty well. They seemed to fit Kellogg. They seemed to fit Scheffer. They seemed to fit Eileen Weida. And we all know that hardly anyone was in the correct park until they basically told us to go there in Clue 11.
They had a much better hiding spot. I grew up in the Como Park neighborhood only a few blocks from the park so I know the place fairly well. Yet, even in this best known of parks, they managed to hide it in a section I was not only not familiar with, I didn't even really know it existed! No one was going to stumble on it by accident this year and it was in an area very few people probably knew well enough to even conceive of examining. Certainly it was a good job of being able to find that obscure spot in the midst of the well known.
And of course, in the end, they accomplished their goal of a long hunt. It was a bit heavy handed in how it was done, but the hunt went to the end and everyone got to enjoy it to it's fullest.
That being said, I still have some complaints. The foremost of which has actual business concerns. Now obviously they want the hunt to last because they gain nothing if it ends early. On the other hand, if the clues are too hard, and people don't feel like they have a shot at figuring them out, they won't bother paying much attention the first week of the hunt. They'll just ignore it mostly until the last few clues and then go where the clues tell them to. In which case the paper still loses out, only this time in the beginning instead of the end. You want the hunt to go to the end, but when all is said and done, people still need to go away thinking they at least had a shot at getting it early. This year, I feel as if there was no way anyone could have found it before clue 11. So here are my more specific complaints:
Some of the clues were far too obscure. Clues 4, 5, and 7 were next to impossible to figure out as there wasn't even a decent hint about what needed to be researched.
Some of the things shouldn't have even been clues. Every park has churches by it. And a French school that is a couple of blocks away from the park should not have been used either. If the thing isn't going to be in the park, it should at least be clearly visible from the park and especially from at or near the hiding spot.
The clues didn't lead anywhere. Several clues were mostly just directing you to Como, but not to any specific part. Four of the things mentioned in the clues weren't even remotely close to where the treasure was found, much less being visible. Since there was no way to line up everything in the clues, there was no good way to know if you were really in the right area. At the hiding spot you may have seen the mural with the Capitol, but not seeing so many other things that were mentioned could have easily made you believe you were in the wrong spot.
Poor diction. Misusing words causes problems. For example, they used "beau" to refer to a woman when the word is actually meant to refer only to a man, making us think we needed a female carpenter.
The hiding spot was as bad as it was good. That was a pretty dangerous area to have lots of people running around in in the dark. I know of many people who sustained minor injuries. And there were many older hunters who couldn't really navigate the terrain and were thus prevented from participating. Plus, it will only encourage people in the future to go looking in places that common sense would otherwise keep them out of.
The clues required too much special knowledge. Who knew how to translate "Star of the North" into French? What if someone didn't have internet access to see that the website says Como was founded in 1872? What if someone moved here from another country and didn't grow up with Dr. Suess stories? What if someone knew nothing about Lord of the Rings? What if someone didn't know much about the theater and never heard of "Hedda Gabler"? If you're not familiar with these things to begin with, you wouldn't even know they were there to look them up.
I think in the end, one has to be able to read the clues and the explanations and then think to yourself, "oh, I see what I did wrong. Now I can see what they were talking about and how they should have led me right to the spot." Clues 8 and 9 do that a bit, but clues like 4, 5, and 7 just make me think "Whatever!" Now that I've read the explanations, I'm still tempted to think the thing was never really at Como because the clues don't really point to it that well. They still point to other parks like Harriet Island much better. But it was at Como. I should feel like if I didn't find it, it was my own fault for not figuring things out the way I should have. Instead, I feel like I never really had a chance to figure things out because the answers for some of the clues were just way too obscure.
I think there are ways you can write the clues such that those who are clever will figure them out and those who aren't careful will fall into traps. And it's when that happens that I think people really remember what a great hunt it was.
AW... I agree with pretty much everything you said in that book, that you just wrote.
You should be able to read the clue explanations afterwards, and go "Damn, man... heres what I did wrong, and what they meant" But theres really only a couple clues that make ya do that, this time around.
Im still saying, I think they originally had it at Harriet, and moved it to Como to... maybe see what peoples reaction was or somethin to that effect. Their reasoning, I'll never know.
Im not stickin with Harriet, just cause I liked the park over Como... or any other park, either. Infact.. I didnt really like it being there that much to begin with. What I dont like though... is the fact that "someone" decided to play the switcheroo game on our asses, and bitch slap us all in the face.
Actually the prevailing theory I've heard is that it wasn't moved, but still the deception was intentional. That is to say the wrote the clues to fit both parks really. Although actually they fit more than just those two. I think they fit Kellogg quite well too. And others were still saying Eileen Weida and Scheffer. I think the official explanations at Como were probably the lamest of the explanations I heard for the various parks.
Ok, I walked into that one. Guess that means it's time to go to bed. I should attempt to get my life back in order tomorrow. Still have a 100 or so emails to get through. Plus the place here is still a mess.
That sounds better in shorts, Terry; all this long underware, boots, hats, face masks, mittens, is for the birds (vultures)....!
Berthsis - That's fabulous! Hope to meet you before that, but for sure at the Pre-Dig!
I just have to post this, because I'm just so disappointed in people.
We have two breasts removed by mistake, we have 2 cops peeing on two Native Americans, we have a stabbing of a 15 year old girl at a school lunch, and now we have a brain surgery that they operated on the wrong side of the brain. What the heck is going on here??? Wassup with people??? What is up with these doctors??? No explaining would ever, ever forgive such mistakes!
My mother died at United, my LuLu was born there . . . . I think that I'll change hospitals. SUX!!!
Sorry for ranting! Good night X 2
Queen Malley - That's it! For the vultures!!
Going out tonight to Gabes felt so weird. No boots, no scarves, no mitts, no hood thingys and no rakes. Felt marvelous!
Venting is good, MJ.
But we will still have to wear all our winter gear at the re-hash?
I suppose that depends on the weather. It is an outdoor picnic at the beginning of February.
Yes, the clues are kind of a stretch (leap)...
I believe the clues were written for Harriet Island and then the last two were for Como. The clues stretch much further for the Como side of the hunt except the last two.
SO glad you are having a fire!! I love bonfires.."gab aloud with the hunting crew"
We don't have any firewood here. I think maybe I heard Marley King brought some back, but if others have wood to burn, I'm sure it won't go to waste.
Or not enough into several words.
The explanations showed up just before 7pm this evening. Late in the whole scheme of things.
Hate to leave great company, but I am determined to get a full night's sleep.
Goodnight, SCDs and MCL to coolerheads everywhere!
1310.1
YOU CAN READ ON PP SITE :
Explanation of the 2003 Treasure Hunt clues:
No. 1: A crueler crew
we never knew
Than those whose barbs have stung us.
Faith be anew, here’s your first clue:
The puck, it’s parked among us.
Explanation: Medallion hunters disgruntled at last year’s early end to the hunt. Reveals the puck is in a park — among something, in this case, the leaves. Faith refers to nearby churches, such as St. Andrew’s Catholic Church.
No. 2: Standing here, you can see, so clear
A view of our Capitol dome.
If it’s treasure you seek,
nearby you should peek
And you may see our
medallion’s home.
Explanation: Mural of Capitol dome is on wall near Como Park swimming pool and suggests reader take a peek in nearby woods.
No. 3: Keep yourself warm, away from the storm
Even in the dead of winter.
Wide as triple E, our door will always be
Open to all who enter.
Explanation: The west-facing entrance to Como Park is adorned with a stone entry donated by E.E. Englebert from the Crosby Estate in 1937.
No. 4.: The coldest star will guide you far
In finding the puck this year.
The red white and blue is a
lovely clue
Your legions should hold dear.
Explanation: Coldest star refers to the Star of the North or L’Etoile du Nord, the name of the French Immersion school a couple of blocks from Como Park. Red, white and blue refers to the French flag, and legions to the French Foreign Legion.
No. 5: Treasure hunt lifer,
prepare to cipher.
This one’s yours to keep.
Was it two or three, they seem not to agree
When St. Paul made a great leap.
Explanation: There are seemingly contradictory accounts of when the park was founded — the Web site says 1872, when the state Legislature authorized St. Paul to buy the land; the park signs and other references say 1873, when St. Paul bought the land. Also, Feb. 29, 1872 — leap day — was when the Minnesota Legislature authorized St. Paul to buy land for a park, which turned out to be Como.
No. 6: Of course we all know there’s not too much snow
To cover the place where it’s lying.
But do not dismay, we’ll find a way
To stick it where the sun ain’t
shining.
Explanation: Stick and where “the sun ain’t shining” reveals it’s in a wooded area.
No. 7: Rid of the man she ran and ran,
They say she was quite the talker.
A carpenter’s beau — many said so —
Neared the finish with a walker.
Explanation: Ann Bilansky, convicted of killing her husband, Stanislaus, (“the man” means Stan) escaped from jail and hid out near Lake Como in 1859. She was assisted by John Walker, the carpenter many thought was her lover. Both were caught; she was hanged the following year.
No. 8: Head on out, have not a doubt
A good time to take a stroll.
Gab aloud with the hunting crowd
Lure me precious to your soul.
Explanation: “Me precious” is an oft-repeated line from the ring-obsessed Gollum in the new “Lord of the Rings” movie, “The Two Towers,” which in turn suggest the sandstone walls that once supported the now spanless old streetcar bridge near the medallion site. Take the first words from each of the lines and you will sound out “Hedda Gabler,” a famous play by Henrik Ibsen, whose statue was recently returned to the park after a long absence.
No. 9: Here’s a who done it, now you’ve begun it
To solve this mystery of sorts.
If I were a sleuth, I’d search for the truth
By playing this greatest of sports.
Explanation: Add Horton to “here’s a who,” and you have the title of the famous Dr. Seuss book, “Horton Hears a Who” — and you’ll have discovered Horton Avenue, a street just north of the prize. Sport refers to nearby McMurray Field and the medallion hunt.
No. 10: With a car, you don’t get far
And a horse would get you nowhere.
But celebrate, it’s not too late
For round and round, you’ll get there.
Explanation: Horse to nowhere and round and round refer to the carousel in the park; also car not getting you far refers to the blocked off road near the medallion site.
No. 11: Who hears a who? Search a park with a zoo
Better yet, cross the street from the sculptures.
It’s a little bit cool for a dip in the pool
But a woodsy course will feed you vultures.
Explanation: “Horton” hears a who, as in Clue 9. Como is a park with a zoo, and Horton is the street separating the snow sculptures from the medallion site. The pool is just to the east of the site, and woodsy course refers to a bumpy course — we guess it’s used by dirt bikers — in the wooded area where medallion is hidden.
No. 12: The last of our clues will put leave on your shoes
And should lead you straight to the goods.
Between Como and Horton, a place fit for courtin’,
Is a dense stand of tumbledown woods.
From the old fireplace, look north and pace
Over hillocks that give cyclists pleasure.
The last row of humps faces some fallen-down stumps
Forty paces from the last hill to the treasure.
Fallen trees mark the spot, look low — now you’re hot!
Do not lose your Minnesota Nice.
If you’re in the fine fettle, you’ll discover the medal
Next to timber, under leaves, encased in ice.
Explanation: Clue spells out the location of the medallion.
NOT ME AND ERIC ON CLUE 11 WE JUMPED ON OUR SHOVEL'S AND SLID DOWN THE HILL FOR OLD TIMES SAKE.
When did Buggs Bar become Harriet?
Copper: It pays to know COMO history--there is a difference! Como is its own world.....
Hey all
was there any explanation as to why the explanations took soo long to get out?
I think everyone is getting back to normal life. Catching up on cleaning and laundry. Getting back to work and cooking for family. I'm hoping more people will stick around here for most of the year, instead of heading out until the next hunt.
Ahh I see Reg... Well, I learned alot from this years hunt.. I learned that I need to learn a bit of st paul history, alot more about the parks in general, and how to solve complex clues
Shoot, I'll be sticking around a bit, perhaps not everyday or anything like the hunt, but enough to keep in touch with the regulars and to formulate my plan of attack for next year :)
I'll give it that, last years was so short I lost interest in it for the whole year. Now I'm fired up to get prepared for next year
“Me precious” is an oft-repeated line from the ring-obsessed Gollum in the new “Lord of the Rings” movie, “The Two Towers,” which in turn suggest the sandstone walls that once supported the now spanless old streetcar bridge near the medallion site.
First off, even in the book Gollum doesn't say "Me Precious" he says "MY Precious" and second, how would that possiblye lead to sandstone walls? Those two things barely resembel towers at all
Yeah Reg, I plan on being there
The clue writer is going to try something new every year, or at least try. This year, they went heavy on history it seemed. The facts we needed to know were fairly obscure. Even if you got the clues figured out early on, you weren't really going to find it until one of the alst few days. Como is so big that it would have been pure dumb luck to find it before the 11th clue. Next year they will try to outsmart us again. We'll see who wins.
Next year they'll have us checking buildings and landmarks within a mile of each park, and digging into every historical book we can get on each park. Then they'll probably anagram us to death instead. Oh well. Just have to be prepared for anything again.
I think the clues were obvious for Como, (people were talkin about it from like clue 2 or 3) but most people thought that they wouldn't be dumb enough to hide it there again, or didn't want to admit that they would. I suppose depending on who you are it could be good or bad, but from what I've seen and the way I feel, the 2 biggest complaints for the last buncha years has been 1: bad clues, and 2: Como. My perspective (hell yeah, I'm usin big words now...) is that they tricked us into thinking they got smart, then straight bitch slapped us right upside the head by stickin it at Homo. By the way, that ain't a typo. This went from a badass hunt, to a joke, faster than an MTV fad.
No, they were referring to a mural on the side of the pool building that had the Capitol Dome on it.
When are the real clue explanations being released? And does the person in charge of clue explanations get paid by the hour?
I agree. Very obscure. I don't know how they ever possibly expected us to get some of that.
Damn.... I just get done readin nearly 200 posts, and now almost everyone is gone.
After last year's hunt, the people who are making a documentary of the hunt asked some of us hunters to make suggestions on how to make the hunt bigger and last longer. At the time, one of the comments I made was "You could probably have a hunt where you had 11 clues of absolute fluff and then say where it was on the 12th clue, and even though people would grumble about the explanations for a week or so, they would still remember it as one of the great hunts." It would seem after reading these clue explanations and some of the comments I've read on the Water Cooler, that this prediction is actually coming true.
There were a lot of clever things done this year that made this hunt longer. Here are some of the things I believe they did:
That being said, I still have some complaints. The foremost of which has actual business concerns. Now obviously they want the hunt to last because they gain nothing if it ends early. On the other hand, if the clues are too hard, and people don't feel like they have a shot at figuring them out, they won't bother paying much attention the first week of the hunt. They'll just ignore it mostly until the last few clues and then go where the clues tell them to. In which case the paper still loses out, only this time in the beginning instead of the end. You want the hunt to go to the end, but when all is said and done, people still need to go away thinking they at least had a shot at getting it early. This year, I feel as if there was no way anyone could have found it before clue 11. So here are my more specific complaints:
I think in the end, one has to be able to read the clues and the explanations and then think to yourself, "oh, I see what I did wrong. Now I can see what they were talking about and how they should have led me right to the spot." Clues 8 and 9 do that a bit, but clues like 4, 5, and 7 just make me think "Whatever!" Now that I've read the explanations, I'm still tempted to think the thing was never really at Como because the clues don't really point to it that well. They still point to other parks like Harriet Island much better. But it was at Como. I should feel like if I didn't find it, it was my own fault for not figuring things out the way I should have. Instead, I feel like I never really had a chance to figure things out because the answers for some of the clues were just way too obscure.
I think there are ways you can write the clues such that those who are clever will figure them out and those who aren't careful will fall into traps. And it's when that happens that I think people really remember what a great hunt it was.
There's another post for you to slog VJ. hehe
Damn, and I thought my tag line was long...
Compared to mine? Yours is long compared to mine!
AW... I agree with pretty much everything you said in that book, that you just wrote.
You should be able to read the clue explanations afterwards, and go "Damn, man... heres what I did wrong, and what they meant" But theres really only a couple clues that make ya do that, this time around.
Im still saying, I think they originally had it at Harriet, and moved it to Como to... maybe see what peoples reaction was or somethin to that effect. Their reasoning, I'll never know.
Im not stickin with Harriet, just cause I liked the park over Como... or any other park, either. Infact.. I didnt really like it being there that much to begin with. What I dont like though... is the fact that "someone" decided to play the switcheroo game on our asses, and bitch slap us all in the face.
But... eh... whatever. Atleast I got to piss on the frog.
Compared to mine? Yours is long compared to mine!
I get that a lot...
Actually the prevailing theory I've heard is that it wasn't moved, but still the deception was intentional. That is to say the wrote the clues to fit both parks really. Although actually they fit more than just those two. I think they fit Kellogg quite well too. And others were still saying Eileen Weida and Scheffer. I think the official explanations at Como were probably the lamest of the explanations I heard for the various parks.
Ok, I walked into that one. Guess that means it's time to go to bed. I should attempt to get my life back in order tomorrow. Still have a 100 or so emails to get through. Plus the place here is still a mess.