Our Air Force unit was put on standby during Operation Desert Storm. While we were passing time, the conversation turned to field chow halls and MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). I said that the powdered eggs weren't so bad once you got used to them. In response, my buddies came up with a verse in the tradition of Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham: "I will not eat them in Iraq, I will not eat them in attack. I will not eat them in the rain, I will not eat them with Hussein; I will not eat them here or there, I will not eat them anywhere. I do not like powdered eggs and ham, I do not like them, Uncle Sam."
"No need to ship 200,000 of our boys and expose them to chemical attacks and what not - which so dumb will be cornered into using when threatened with immediate extinction.
But I thought he didn't have any WMD? The inspectors can't find them?
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LOL!!!!! I almost fell off my chair when I read that one. I am going to forward that to a few of my friends I was in with. A few of them are over in the gulf now. I'm going to e-mail it to them if it's o,k with you.
Why do countries have a problem with the U.S.A. acting unilaterally but have no problem with the U.S.A. paying for everything unilaterally?
Glad you brought it up. I've been thinking alot about it the last few days.
Because they use it when it fits their agenda. Notice no cries of unilateralism on North Korea ? They seem more than happy to let us go it alone on that one. In fact not only do they seem more than happy to do nothing, they have no problem criticizing that as well. Even though as usual they are doing zip to help.
"Why not North Korea, isn't that a greater threat?" First thing to say to that is Well I guess you want us to attack North Korea? So much for the peace movement. Of course they don't want us to attack N.Korea, thye'd be using the same hollow excuses if we were staging action in N.Korea. In fact, The cry would be "we need to use other options, sanctions, etc. before we "rush to war" with N.Korea. I mean my God they're saying it now after 12 years, suddenly they want us fighting in downtown Pyongyang after 2 months ? They fail to mention we've tried those things with Iraq for 12 years.
Here's where they really don't get it. And the differences between N.Korea and Iraq are stark. As I said, more than one method has been tried with Saddink for 12 years. We haven't done so with N.Korea. It;s at the very beginning stages of dialogue. Where's the U.N ? Apparently still busy appointing countries like Lybia to the human rights chairmanship. The north is sabre rattling for more money. They're looking for a payday just like they got under Clinton and they'll even sign an honest engin' treaty. Just like they did last time and broke.
Here's also where the situations are totally different. Iraq's neighbors although they dislike him have a refugee problem if he's booted. Second they don't have the resolve nor the military strength to take him on alone. Even if they did win, problem A still stands without alot of manpower to assure it doesn't happen. Also they are quite happy with the status quo. They get free defense from us. They get to sell oil without Iraq being allowed full market entry, they have factions within that are radical and threaten their power if they back the U.S. SO they are happy with the status quo and to look the other way. See the house of Saud for the perfect example.
North Korea ? Well they're basically surrounded by powerful nations or nations with powerful backing ie: the U.S. They are isolated in many ways. They want to blackmail the U.S for money and a lifting of the embargo after they admitted they broke the treaty. There's a reason folks that they admitted that they broke it. It wasn't a sudden attack of conscience.
They also haven't attacked another country since 53'.
Had N.Korea done the same as Iraq after 12 years of sanctions, inspections, no fly enforcement, 17 broken resolutions etc. then perhaps it would be the prudent thing to do. Let's hope it doesn't take 12 years to reslove.
France & Germany & don't have a ton of contracts with North Korea at stake, so apparently they can't be bothered. They are to busy protecting Saddamm. France is trading with them above sanctions when nobody else has. But yes, by all means let's wait for them, forget the fact that as of today 40 plus nations said they approve, but their we go being unilaterilist agian. Of course many of these folks were no where to be found when we bobmed Iraq in 95' When we went into Kosovo, Haiti and Somolia. Perhaps we should re-think sending 16 billion to fight aids in Africa too, I mean we wouldn't want to be unilateralist.
So when asked about "What about North Korea?" Yes. what about it. What are you Mr. U.N, Mr. France, Mr. Germany and co. going to do about it ? Oh, that's right, nothing, except criticize those who actually do something. Apparently they prefer we attack there first.
One other thing. What got us the inspections we have now ? Did Saddamm get religion ? Nah, couldn't have anything to do with 200,000 American & British troops knocking at the door could it ? Naaah. It was Kofi, Jacque Chirac, Schroeder and Hollywood etc. that did it. Must have been the visits from Sean Penn that really got Saddamm to change his mind.
sure so dumb insane has the chemicals that Rummy delivered to him when he was there the last time. His arsenal - American supplied still exists. He has not used it for ages and he did not even use it against Israel. so dumb insane believes it is these weapons that prevented Oreo Powell and geriatric Bush from taking him out the last time. The decision makers last time did not enter Baghdad and eliminate him because they were deterred by his chemical weapons.
so dumb has no nukes and is not an AQ agent. OBL detests so dumb as much as little boy bush. so dumb insane can be contained, put in place and kept under wraps using inspections and UN imposed restrictions. If the Saudis and Jordanians can run repressive regimes, so can so dumb insane.
If testosterone induced little boy and wolf man - who have never engaged in battle - send our boys into Baghdad to carry out regime change to avenge their personal vendettas, so dumb insane will use the American supplied chemicals against our troops. He has nothing to lose anymore and will inflict maximum pain.
India, Pukistan, Israel all have chemical, nuclear weapons. Are we sending our boys to do regime change there?? Should India nuke Pukistan to enact regime change??
You rabid warmongers lack the power to reason - the thirst for histrionics overwhelms rationality.
The UN told Israel what it should do. Israel thumbed its nose at the UN. And we gave more money to Israel than we spend on our own poor and dispossessed. Why are we not sending our troops to take out Adolf Sharon Jethro??
What about in Revelation, where prophecy tells us Christ, along with the armies of heaven, destroy God's enemies?
Revelation 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Keep using terms like Oreo Powell. Slant eyed Chinese and gooks. They make it easy to ignore your dribble. Keep doing it though and you're gone. There's all kinds of room for people with differing opinions but not for those who use racist comments like that. There's no place for it. Then you can go cry how you were banned from another thread because you showed you true racist nature again. So shape up or ship out.
BOSTON — A federal judge on Monday threw out a lawsuit that raised constitutional concerns in seeking an injunction to bar President Bush from launching war against Iraq.
Perhaps YOU can explain the Apocolypse to us, JT ?
Yes, very nice rebuttal.
I don't need to explain the Apocolypse, for it in itself is irrelevant. I was just pointing out that Christ is no pacifist. As I posted, he's going to be rather brutal with his enemies.
Of course it doesn't matter. But sometimes a sanctimonius sonofabitch like Oliver North tends to piss me off.
He talks about the French being cowards. At the height of Iran-Contra, the guy put on his uniform for the first time in years only for the camerasand proceeded to do everything but the dipsy-doodle and the funky chicken to save his sorry white ass.
Then he tells me what I ought to buy in order to be a "good American."
Of course it doesn't matter. But sometimes a sanctimonius sonofabitch like Oliver North tends to piss me off.
You once asked me if I couldn't separate the man from the work when I was talking about personally boycotting seeing Altman's Gosford Park because of the statements he made about the U.S.
So the next time you get on me because I make a statement about personally boycotting movies or books from Hollywood schmucks I don't want to hear about it.
Could be, I've never met him, nor have I met Altman, his statements were sanctimonius as hell to me. Each person has a threshold of how much they're willing to tolerate or how much they can separate the person from the work. My point was that you took me to task for doing the same thing, I juts wanted to point it out because believe me I feel the same most of the time when I see an actor/actress doing the same thing you dislike about Ollie.
News to all the warmongers: we aren't going to ever be safe again. No amount of military spending or raping of other countries will make the US safe. Go get your duct tape, and be sure to turn on CNN or Fox news. If they can scare you into thinking that war will be good for the nation, then they have done their jobs, and I personally feel sorry for you. Let the inspections work. War is not the only option left.
How do you march in 200,000 troops and march them out again, and retain any credability? Should Bush listen to people who march in the street? They're too naive.
You're right in one respect. There's nothing good about any of this.
Actually I did not get a chance to see her news conference.
However in this case I am referencing her courage to peacefully protest what the United States is and has been doing. To me, it is much more Patriotic to dissent against popular opinion than to be a brain-washed flag waving America lover. Who can love a country that has been involved either publicly or not in so many human rights violations in the past 50 years, to better themselves? Or a country that is brain washing their youth by teaching ethnocentric and heartless morals in the schooling system? I wish the majority of American's had the ability to think independently and critically about what has gone on in the past, and what is happening right now in the name of their country. The mainstream media controls what people can believe, unless they put in the extra effort to question what is really going on. I am still just a 17 year old kid and have not studied every single transgression the US has made on its way to World Super Power, but I have heard about many, from people that have Justice on their agenda.
What is happening in Iraq? I am not sure, I don't think anyone is. But I just hope that everyone takes a step back, forget their political ties, and turns off CNN for a minute to annalyze the situation. There are many different angles to look at, and that is why the current anti-war campaigns are so diverse. If you are still afraid enough to support a war that will endanger the lives of thousands of US troups and millions of innocent Iraqi citizens, then you are a coward. Unless you are a high ranking official at a large Oil company, then you are just greedy beyond any explantion of the word.
I am still just a 17 year old kid and have not studied every single transgression the US has made on its way to World Super Power, but I have heard about many, from people that have Justice on their agenda.
Any bets on if he goes to a government school (that would be a public school for people who don't know)?
BTW, how many last chances do we give Saddam? Let's take a look. Please notice the dates....
Hussein will be given a last chance to comply before he gets clobbered, The New York Times on Monday quoted an unidentified U.S. official as saying.--CNN.com, Jan.27, 1998
Annan Admits Iraq Trip Could Be Last Chance for Peace--CNN.com, Feb. 18, 1998
Clinton: Iraq Has Abused Its Last Chance--CNN.com, Dec. 16, 1998
The White House suggested Wednesday that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has missed his last chance to disarm.--CNN.com, Dec 18, 2002
Future European Union members endorsed a joint declaration Tuesday warning Saddam Hussein he has one last chance to disarm.--Associated Press, Feb 18, 2003
So after 12 years of resolutions and "last chances" , when is enough enough?
This war isn't about oil. Saddam has been under sanction for how long and he apparently hasn't complied with those sanctions? He seems to be above things in his own mind. I don't like that kind of attitude, especially with technology the way it is today. We need to take care of things now, before they get out of hand. Having said this, I don't think we need to rush off to war just yet. I want to see him start to comply more. I want his actions to show it, not just more lies and putting things off. I would love for this to be settled diplomatically and peacefully. That is up to Saddam I think. But if he continues his attitude of trying to evade things, he will eventually have to pay the consequences.
I don't think we need to rush off to war just yet.
See my previous post.
I want to see him start to comply more. I want his actions to show it, not just more lies and putting things off.
That is exactly what he is doing. He is stalling for time. He knows we will not go in during the summer. He is using the U.N. like he has before. The time is now.
Are you implying that by waiting until next fall, Saddam will have finished all of his "weapons of mass distruction", that he secretly has stashed away somewhere. Prove something that constitutes war. Especially when we are setting the standard that pre-emptive war is okay, I want proof that he is really a threat. The inspectors are still there. Let's see what they find, if "Saddam" doesn't comply with what they need to complete an accurate inspection, let the CIA handle it. We have not been shy in un-leashing CIA agents to succesfully better our country in the past, why are we now? Because they will only be able to solve the problem of national security and not kill any innocent people, and we won't get to control who has political control?
Government school, I would much rather go to a private school run by the rich families that have benefited from corruption, duh.
He gets more time to formulate a plan. Build up an arsenal perhaps. Hide any illegal activity better. Eventually something bad is going to happen to him. It's like parenting. If you keep making threats without following through on them, it won't work. "Clean your room or no video games for a week". Well if the kid doesn't clean their room and still gets to play video games, you think they're going to automatically start obeying right away next time the parents want it? Saddam seems like the kid who seems good, but then you find out they're really mischievous. If sanctions against him didn't stop him from still doing bad things, it is going to take more. I just hope that there can be some agreement on what that is, and it's peaceful in nature. But something has to be done if he keeps disobeying.
To me, it is much more Patriotic to dissent against popular opinion than to be a brain-washed flag waving America lover.
In other words, anyone that doesn't agree with you is brain-washed, or at the very least less patriotic?
I would much rather go to a private school run by the rich families that have benefited from corruption, duh.
LOL! Your ignorance is showing Timmers. More money is spent per child in public school than private. In no way am I rich. I bust my ass to send my kids to private school.
Or a country that is brain washing their youth by teaching ethnocentric and heartless morals in the schooling system?
Wait a minute, which is it, brain-washing in public school or corruptly funded rich private schools?
Wolvie 2/19/03 10:28pm
hi Wolvie, thank you :)
I think i'm going to like posting here.
Hi, Belle,
Please enjoy the stay, you're welcome here anytime :)
Just tell Hollywood celebrities to shut up!
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Our Air Force unit was put on standby during Operation Desert Storm. While we were passing time, the conversation turned to field chow halls and MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). I said that the powdered eggs weren't so bad once you got used to them. In response, my buddies came up with a verse in the tradition of Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham: "I will not eat them in Iraq, I will not eat them in attack. I will not eat them in the rain, I will not eat them with Hussein; I will not eat them here or there, I will not eat them anywhere. I do not like powdered eggs and ham, I do not like them, Uncle Sam."
Thought to dwell on....
Why do countries have a problem with the U.S.A. acting unilaterally but have no problem with the U.S.A. paying for everything unilaterally?
"No need to ship 200,000 of our boys and expose them to chemical attacks and what not - which so dumb will be cornered into using when threatened with immediate extinction.
But I thought he didn't have any WMD? The inspectors can't find them?
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Wolvie 2/20/03 10:36pm
LOL!!!!! I almost fell off my chair when I read that one. I am going to forward that to a few of my friends I was in with. A few of them are over in the gulf now. I'm going to e-mail it to them if it's o,k with you.
Wolvie,
Glad you brought it up. I've been thinking alot about it the last few days.
Because they use it when it fits their agenda. Notice no cries of unilateralism on North Korea ? They seem more than happy to let us go it alone on that one. In fact not only do they seem more than happy to do nothing, they have no problem criticizing that as well.
Even though as usual they are doing zip to help.
"Why not North Korea, isn't that a greater threat?" First thing to say to that is Well I guess you want us to attack North Korea? So much for the peace movement. Of course they don't want us to attack N.Korea, thye'd be using the same hollow excuses if we were staging action in N.Korea. In fact, The cry would be "we need to use other options, sanctions, etc. before we "rush to war" with N.Korea. I mean my God they're saying it now after 12 years, suddenly they want us fighting in downtown Pyongyang after 2 months ? They fail to mention we've tried those things with Iraq for 12 years.
Here's where they really don't get it. And the differences between N.Korea and Iraq are stark. As I said, more than one method has been tried with Saddink for 12 years. We haven't done so with N.Korea. It;s at the very beginning stages of dialogue. Where's the U.N ? Apparently still busy appointing countries like Lybia to the human rights chairmanship. The north is sabre rattling for more money. They're looking for a payday just like they got under Clinton and they'll even sign an honest engin' treaty. Just like they did last time and broke.
Here's also where the situations are totally different. Iraq's neighbors although they dislike him have a refugee problem if he's booted. Second they don't have the resolve nor the military strength to take him on alone. Even if they did win, problem A still stands without alot of manpower to assure it doesn't happen. Also they are quite happy with the status quo. They get free defense from us. They get to sell oil without Iraq being allowed full market entry, they have factions within that are radical and threaten their power if they back the U.S. SO they are happy with the status quo and to look the other way. See the house of Saud for the perfect example.
North Korea ? Well they're basically surrounded by powerful nations or nations with powerful backing ie: the U.S. They are isolated in many ways. They want to blackmail the U.S for money and a lifting of the embargo after they admitted they broke the treaty. There's a reason folks that they admitted that they broke it. It wasn't a sudden attack of conscience.
They also haven't attacked another country since 53'.
Had N.Korea done the same as Iraq after 12 years of sanctions, inspections, no fly enforcement, 17 broken resolutions etc. then perhaps it would be the prudent thing to do. Let's hope it doesn't take 12 years to reslove.
France & Germany & don't have a ton of contracts with North Korea at stake, so apparently they can't be bothered. They are to busy protecting Saddamm. France is trading with them above sanctions when nobody else has. But yes, by all means let's wait for them, forget the fact that as of today 40 plus nations said they approve, but their we go being unilaterilist agian. Of course many of these folks were no where to be found when we bobmed Iraq in 95' When we went into Kosovo, Haiti and Somolia. Perhaps we should re-think sending 16 billion to fight aids in Africa too, I mean we wouldn't want to be unilateralist.
So when asked about "What about North Korea?" Yes. what about it. What are you Mr. U.N, Mr. France, Mr. Germany and co. going to do about it ? Oh, that's right, nothing, except criticize those who actually do something. Apparently they prefer we attack there first.
One other thing. What got us the inspections we have now ? Did Saddamm get religion ? Nah, couldn't have anything to do with 200,000 American & British troops knocking at the door could it ? Naaah. It was Kofi, Jacque Chirac, Schroeder and Hollywood etc. that did it. Must have been the visits from Sean Penn that really got Saddamm to change his mind.
I'm going to e-mail it to them if it's o,k with you.
No problem, go ahead.
And your last post, dead on. AMEN!
What Wolvie said.
how dense can you be - Wolvie 2/21/03 10:46am
sure so dumb insane has the chemicals that Rummy delivered to him when he was there the last time. His arsenal - American supplied still exists. He has not used it for ages and he did not even use it against Israel. so dumb insane believes it is these weapons that prevented Oreo Powell and geriatric Bush from taking him out the last time. The decision makers last time did not enter Baghdad and eliminate him because they were deterred by his chemical weapons.
so dumb has no nukes and is not an AQ agent. OBL detests so dumb as much as little boy bush. so dumb insane can be contained, put in place and kept under wraps using inspections and UN imposed restrictions. If the Saudis and Jordanians can run repressive regimes, so can so dumb insane.
If testosterone induced little boy and wolf man - who have never engaged in battle - send our boys into Baghdad to carry out regime change to avenge their personal vendettas, so dumb insane will use the American supplied chemicals against our troops. He has nothing to lose anymore and will inflict maximum pain.
India, Pukistan, Israel all have chemical, nuclear weapons. Are we sending our boys to do regime change there?? Should India nuke Pukistan to enact regime change??
You rabid warmongers lack the power to reason - the thirst for histrionics overwhelms rationality.
I posted this in another Forum - belongs here too
little boy bush wants 9 security council votes.
there are 15 members.
US, UK, Spain and Bulgaria are the die-hard warmongers.
Money, dire threats, bribes, armtwisting will make reluctant warmongers out of
Pukistan, Angola, Chile and Mexico.
Thats 8 assured for little boy bush.
The opposite side has French frogs, Germans, Russia, slant eyed Chinese and Syria. The former French colony of Cameroon and will kowtow to France.
That leaves the powerful nation of Guinea - dang, I had to locate it on a map.
I wonder who will bid the highest for this nation??
You pacifisct cowards lack the power to reason - the quest for political for political points overwhelms rationality.
The UN has told Saddam what he must do. If he won't do it, and he hasn't, the UN has to take action or it becomes irrelevant even unto itself.
Naradar, it is quite clear you are a fan of Saddam. Since that is the case you are the enemy. I think you know where you can go.
The UN told Israel what it should do. Israel thumbed its nose at the UN. And we gave more money to Israel than we spend on our own poor and dispossessed. Why are we not sending our troops to take out Adolf Sharon Jethro??
Naradar,
I refuse to respond to you from now on. With comments like "oreo Powell" it just proves to me what a racist you are.
You can't mix spirituality and humanism.
What war was Christ a pacifist against?
Was he doing sit ins against Rome.
What about in Revelation, where prophecy tells us Christ, along with the armies of heaven, destroy God's enemies?
Revelation 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Sound like a pacifist?
but God will not be doing the Violence JT...unless the Bible you are reading has been significantly altered?
Well, my post is from the King James version of the Bible.
But here, go ahead, pick any version you wish: http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible
Yeah, I ignore the parts of the Bible I don't like too.
They make life so difficult.
Yeah, I ignore the parts of the Bible I don't like too.
fold ignores parts of everything and anything he does not like. It keeps his little world pristine.
Naradar,
Keep using terms like Oreo Powell. Slant eyed Chinese and gooks. They make it easy to ignore your dribble. Keep doing it though and you're gone. There's all kinds of room for people with differing opinions but not for those who use racist comments like that. There's no place for it. Then you can go cry how you were banned from another thread because you showed you true racist nature again. So shape up or ship out.
BOSTON — A federal judge on Monday threw out a lawsuit that raised constitutional concerns in seeking an injunction to bar President Bush from launching war against Iraq.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79433,00.html
However, U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro ruled Monday that the court did not have jurisdiction to issue an injunction against Bush.
Tauro said the lawsuit engaged "political questions in the legal sense that are beyond the jurisdiction of the court."
Really? No jurisdiction? Well duh!!!! Talk about a frivolous law suit.
Can you believe these people?
Perhaps YOU can explain the Apocolypse to us, JT ?
Yes, very nice rebuttal.
I don't need to explain the Apocolypse, for it in itself is irrelevant. I was just pointing out that Christ is no pacifist. As I posted, he's going to be rather brutal with his enemies.
I guess this is one Hollywood type the right-wingers will agree with.
Oliver North was talking on the radio about a boycott of French products a couple weeks ago, too.
That day, I bought:
Two bottles of 2000 Bordeaux (great price at MGM Liquors)
Two bottles of Vittel water. They didn't have Evian for some reason.
Imported French goat cheese.
Well good for you Rick. I'm sure the French appreciate your support.
Of course it doesn't matter. But sometimes a sanctimonius sonofabitch like Oliver North tends to piss me off.
He talks about the French being cowards. At the height of Iran-Contra, the guy put on his uniform for the first time in years only for the camerasand proceeded to do everything but the dipsy-doodle and the funky chicken to save his sorry white ass.
Then he tells me what I ought to buy in order to be a "good American."
So I guess, it is a difference in what each of us believes
That's cool.
I stand by my statement that Christ is no pacifist and you do what you need to do.
Hey Rob, I thought you weren't gonna be around the rest of the week.
He could have been like Clinton kept his head in the sand. Instead Bush is dealing with reeality something liberals don't want to do.
JT,
My flight got changed.
I'm leaving in a couple hours. I'll see ya ' next week.
Rick,
You once asked me if I couldn't separate the man from the work when I was talking about personally boycotting seeing Altman's Gosford Park because of the statements he made about the U.S.
So the next time you get on me because I make a statement about personally boycotting movies or books from Hollywood schmucks I don't want to hear about it.
But isn't Oliver North a sanctimonious sonofabitch personally AND professionally?
That would be the distinction. You might find guys like Altman a jerk, but that's' not a reflection on his moviemaking ability.
I don't see the comparison.
Could be, I've never met him, nor have I met Altman, his statements were sanctimonius as hell to me. Each person has a threshold of how much they're willing to tolerate or how much they can separate the person from the work. My point was that you took me to task for doing the same thing, I juts wanted to point it out because believe me I feel the same most of the time when I see an actor/actress doing the same thing you dislike about Ollie.
See you all next week.
Safe trip, Rob.
News to all the warmongers: we aren't going to ever be safe again. No amount of military spending or raping of other countries will make the US safe. Go get your duct tape, and be sure to turn on CNN or Fox news. If they can scare you into thinking that war will be good for the nation, then they have done their jobs, and I personally feel sorry for you. Let the inspections work. War is not the only option left.
"we aren't going to ever be safe again."
We weren't ever safe, just complacent.
"War is not the only option left."
How do you march in 200,000 troops and march them out again, and retain any credability? Should Bush listen to people who march in the street? They're too naive.
You're right in one respect. There's nothing good about any of this.
Let the inspections work.
Uhm, 12 years wasn't enough?
I think you have that one wrong, more like idiotic. Did you see her news conference. One big joke.
Actually I did not get a chance to see her news conference.
However in this case I am referencing her courage to peacefully protest what the United States is and has been doing. To me, it is much more Patriotic to dissent against popular opinion than to be a brain-washed flag waving America lover. Who can love a country that has been involved either publicly or not in so many human rights violations in the past 50 years, to better themselves? Or a country that is brain washing their youth by teaching ethnocentric and heartless morals in the schooling system? I wish the majority of American's had the ability to think independently and critically about what has gone on in the past, and what is happening right now in the name of their country. The mainstream media controls what people can believe, unless they put in the extra effort to question what is really going on. I am still just a 17 year old kid and have not studied every single transgression the US has made on its way to World Super Power, but I have heard about many, from people that have Justice on their agenda.
What is happening in Iraq? I am not sure, I don't think anyone is. But I just hope that everyone takes a step back, forget their political ties, and turns off CNN for a minute to annalyze the situation. There are many different angles to look at, and that is why the current anti-war campaigns are so diverse. If you are still afraid enough to support a war that will endanger the lives of thousands of US troups and millions of innocent Iraqi citizens, then you are a coward. Unless you are a high ranking official at a large Oil company, then you are just greedy beyond any explantion of the word.
I am still just a 17 year old kid and have not studied every single transgression the US has made on its way to World Super Power, but I have heard about many, from people that have Justice on their agenda.
Any bets on if he goes to a government school (that would be a public school for people who don't know)?
BTW, how many last chances do we give Saddam? Let's take a look. Please notice the dates....
Hussein will be given a last chance to comply before he gets clobbered, The New York Times on Monday quoted an unidentified U.S. official as saying.--CNN.com, Jan.27, 1998
Annan Admits Iraq Trip Could Be Last Chance for Peace--CNN.com, Feb. 18, 1998
Clinton: Iraq Has Abused Its Last Chance--CNN.com, Dec. 16, 1998
The White House suggested Wednesday that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has missed his last chance to disarm.--CNN.com, Dec 18, 2002
Future European Union members endorsed a joint declaration Tuesday warning Saddam Hussein he has one last chance to disarm.--Associated Press, Feb 18, 2003
So after 12 years of resolutions and "last chances" , when is enough enough?
What is this "rush to war" nonsense?
This war isn't about oil. Saddam has been under sanction for how long and he apparently hasn't complied with those sanctions? He seems to be above things in his own mind. I don't like that kind of attitude, especially with technology the way it is today. We need to take care of things now, before they get out of hand. Having said this, I don't think we need to rush off to war just yet. I want to see him start to comply more. I want his actions to show it, not just more lies and putting things off. I would love for this to be settled diplomatically and peacefully. That is up to Saddam I think. But if he continues his attitude of trying to evade things, he will eventually have to pay the consequences.
I don't think we need to rush off to war just yet.
See my previous post.
I want to see him start to comply more. I want his actions to show it, not just more lies and putting things off.
That is exactly what he is doing. He is stalling for time. He knows we will not go in during the summer. He is using the U.N. like he has before. The time is now.
Are you implying that by waiting until next fall, Saddam will have finished all of his "weapons of mass distruction", that he secretly has stashed away somewhere. Prove something that constitutes war. Especially when we are setting the standard that pre-emptive war is okay, I want proof that he is really a threat. The inspectors are still there. Let's see what they find, if "Saddam" doesn't comply with what they need to complete an accurate inspection, let the CIA handle it. We have not been shy in un-leashing CIA agents to succesfully better our country in the past, why are we now? Because they will only be able to solve the problem of national security and not kill any innocent people, and we won't get to control who has political control?
Government school, I would much rather go to a private school run by the rich families that have benefited from corruption, duh.
He gets more time to formulate a plan. Build up an arsenal perhaps. Hide any illegal activity better. Eventually something bad is going to happen to him. It's like parenting. If you keep making threats without following through on them, it won't work. "Clean your room or no video games for a week". Well if the kid doesn't clean their room and still gets to play video games, you think they're going to automatically start obeying right away next time the parents want it? Saddam seems like the kid who seems good, but then you find out they're really mischievous. If sanctions against him didn't stop him from still doing bad things, it is going to take more. I just hope that there can be some agreement on what that is, and it's peaceful in nature. But something has to be done if he keeps disobeying.
To me, it is much more Patriotic to dissent against popular opinion than to be a brain-washed flag waving America lover.
In other words, anyone that doesn't agree with you is brain-washed, or at the very least less patriotic?
I would much rather go to a private school run by the rich families that have benefited from corruption, duh.
LOL! Your ignorance is showing Timmers. More money is spent per child in public school than private. In no way am I rich. I bust my ass to send my kids to private school.
Or a country that is brain washing their youth by teaching ethnocentric and heartless morals in the schooling system?
Wait a minute, which is it, brain-washing in public school or corruptly funded rich private schools?
Prove something that constitutes war.
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It's a bunch of bull.
The Pentagon is lying.
The heads are former public school administrators.
They're just trying to milk the taxpayer for more money.