Though he’s a proud member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, or SCV, Block is not talking about the war between the North and the South. That battle’s already been fought and won, er, lost, depending on one’s perspective.
I didn't say that the US interjecting itself into other countries business was a bad thing. I just think that it needs to be recognized that we did it on the basis of self interest.
In fact, isn't that sort of the point of capitalism in general?
President-elect Abraham Lincoln arrives in Washington amid secrecy and tight security. With seven states having already seceded from the Union since Lincoln's election, the threat of civil war hung in the air.
Allen Pinkerton, head of a private detective agency, had uncovered a plot to assassinate Lincoln when he passed through Baltimore on his way to the capital. Lincoln and his advisors disagreed about how to respond to the threat. Some, including Pinkerton, wanted Lincoln to slip secretly into Washington, which would mean skipping an address to the Pennsylvania legislature in Harrisburg. Lincoln did not want to appear cowardly, but he felt the threats were serious.
Lincoln agreed to the covert arrival. With Pinkerton and Ward Hill Lamon, his former law partner, Lincoln slipped out of the hotel in Harrisburg on the evening of February 22. He wore a soft felt hat instead of his customary stovepipe hat, and he draped an overcoat over his shoulders and hunched slightly to disguise his height. The group boarded a sleeper car and arrived in Baltimore in the middle of the night. The trio slipped undetected from the Calvert Street station to Camden station across town. There, they boarded another train and arrived without incident in Washington at 6:00 a.m. On the platform, the party was surprised when a voice boomed, "Abe, you can't play that on me." It was Congressman Elihu B. Washburne, a friend of Lincoln's from Illinois. Washburne escorted Lincoln to the Willard Hotel.
A myth arose that Lincoln had dressed as a woman to avoid detection, but this was not the case. He did draw considerable criticism in the press for his unceremonious arrival. Northern diarist George Templeton Strong commented that if convincing evidence of a plot did not surface, "the surreptitious nocturnal dodging...will be used to damage his moral position and throw ridicule on his Administration." Lincoln later regretted the caper and commented to a friend "I did not then, nor do I now believe I should have been assassinated had I gone through Baltimore..." Regardless of how he had arrived, Lincoln was safely in Washington, ready to assume the difficult task ahead.
There is an intermission. If it's a good movie you probably wouldn't notice as much. I've heard good thing from the people who saw it. The critics weren't too kind to it but they also thought Pulp Fiction and Titanic were great. I know I know, everyone loves those movies. Two of the most overrated movies of all time IMO. But to each their own.
My wife bought Titanic when it came out on video. It's still in the wrapper. I told her to keep it that way, it will be worth more in 50 years when it's a collecter item, plus I won't have to suffer through it ever again.
The critics say that the movie concentrates on certain battles and leaves most of the real historical content and motivations out and that's why they have panned it.
The critics pan the movie probably because they do not agree with the historical content and motivations that are portrayed rather than those issues were were left out. Now I haven't seen the movie but I have heard from some that have. The people I heard from were pleased with they way the South was portrayed regarding historical facts and the southern motivation for secession.
Yes Jethro...those anti-American devils at the History Channel want nothing more than to convert everyone into Democratic-Automatons. You said that not I.
In fairness, the film also documents the climb to power of top Union brass Lt. Col. Joshua Chamberlain (Jeff Daniels), but Maxwell's focus remains south of the Mason-Dixon Line, his favorable bias towards the armies of Virginia apparent.
Troops under Confederate General George Pickett begin a massive attack against the center of the Union lines at Gettysburg on the climactic third day of the Battle of Gettysburg, the largest engagement of the war. General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia encountered George Meade's Army of the Potomac in Pennsylvania and battered the Yankees for two days. The day before Pickett's charge, the Confederates had hammered each flank of the Union line but could not break through.
Now, on July 3, Lee decided to attack the Union center, stationed on Cemetery Ridge, after making another unsuccessful attempt on the Union right flank at Culp's Hill in the morning. The majority of the force consisted of Pickett's division, but there were other units represented among the 15,000 attackers.
After a long Confederate artillery bombardment, the Rebel force moved through the open field and up the slight rise of Cemetery Ridge. But by the time they reached the Union line, the attack had been broken into many small units, and they were unable to penetrate the Yankee center.
The failed attack effectively ended the battle of Gettysburg. On July 4, Lee began to withdraw his forces to Virginia. The casualties for both armies were staggering. Lee lost 28,000 of his 75,000 soldiers, and Union losses stood at over 22,000. It was the last time Lee threatened Northern territory.
1861 Congress passes Crittenden-Johnson Resolution
The Crittenden-Johnson Resolution passes, declaring that the war is being waged for the reunion of the states and not to interfere with the institutions of the South, namely slavery. The measure was important in keeping the pivotal states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland in the Union.
This resolution should not be confused with the Crittenden Compromise—a plan circulated after the Southern states began seceding from the Union that proposed to protect slavery as an enticement to keep the Southern states from leaving—which was defeated in Congress. At the beginning of the war, many Northerners supported a war for to keep the Union together, but had no interest in advancing the cause of abolition. The Crittenden-Johnson plan was passed in 1861 to distinguish the issue of emancipation from the war's purpose.
The common denominator of the two plans was Senator John Crittenden from Kentucky. Crittenden carried the torch of compromise borne so ably by another Kentucky senator, Henry Clay, who brokered such important deals as the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850 to keep the nation together. Clay died in 1852, but Crittenden carried on the spirit befitting the representative of a state deeply divided over the issue of slavery.
Although the measure was passed in Congress, it meant little when, just two weeks later, President Lincoln signed a confiscation act, allowing for the seizure of property—including slaves—from rebellious citizens. Still, for the first year and a half of the Civil War, reunification of the United States was the official goal of the North. It was not until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation of September 1863 that slavery became a goal.
For those that think the North wanted to abolish slavery.
Yeah... And the term "Abolitionists" was a fakery and fabrication, perpetrated on all of us by historians, too.
Abolitionists were a MINORITY. They had as much influence over politics as the Dennis Rahnkonens of this country do today. Why must you totally disregard everything that doesn't fit your preconceptions?
President Lincoln writes a carefully worded letter in response to Horace Greeley's abolitionist editorial, and hints at a change in his policy concerning slavery.
From the outset of the Civil War, Lincoln proclaimed the war's goal to be the reunion of the nation. He said little about slavery for fear of alienating key constituencies such as the Border States of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and, to a lesser extent, Delaware. Each of these states allowed slavery but had not seceded from the Union. Lincoln was also concerned about Northern Democrats, who generally opposed fighting the war to free the slaves but whose support Lincoln needed.
Tugging him in the other direction were abolitionists such as Frederick Douglass and Horace Greeley. In his editorial, "The Prayer of Twenty Millions," Greeley assailed Lincoln for his soft treatment of slaveholders and for his unwillingness to enforce the Confiscation Acts, which called for the property, including slaves, of Confederates to be taken when their homes were captured by Union forces. Abolitionists saw the acts as a wedge to drive into the institution of slavery.
Lincoln had been toying with the idea of emancipation for some time. He discussed it with his cabinet but decided that some military success was needed to give the measure credibility. In his response to Greeley's editorial, Lincoln hinted at a change. In a rare public response to criticism, he articulated his policy by stating, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Although this sounded noncommittal, Lincoln closed by stating, "I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
By hinting that ending slavery may become a goal of the war, Lincoln was preparing the public for the change in policy that would come one month later with the Emancipation Proclamation.
First, if it weren't for the Abolishionists, Slavery may very well have continued, and much, much longer than it did. So, I LOVE abolishionists, Muskwa.
To bad you can't spell abolitionist. Apparently you believe that abolitionists were the engine behind the civil war. If true then they were the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths.
In essence, Lincoln was a Just and Incredibly-Intelligent President, who in fact DID want to stop the insanity of Slavery, many years before the War, and I think we all know that.
I think you live in a fantasy world, fold. Lincoln would have been quite happy to have slavery continue throughout his presidency had the south not seceded.
Lincoln's main goal was keeping the union intact, with or without slavery. Slavery would have died a natural death on its own whether the South became a separate country or not. If that had happened, I don't think we would have the race problems we have today. Nor would the North have had the chance to subjugate the South the way it did, causing resentments that are still alive.
Nor would the North have had the chance to subjugate the South the way it did, causing resentments that are still alive.
Can't they let it go ? Good grief it's only been 140 years.
I wonder if those who still have that resentment for the North ever wonder or consider that they might have just been wrong about slavery in the first place. I'm sure some sadly don't.
Rob, I think it's time the South let it go, but I can understand why it's hard to do. Until recently, when taxes and other conditions in the North caused a rush south, the South was the subject of contempt and stereotypes. Everyone down here was a redneck or a cracker or a hillbilly or a cowboy, and that always translated to uneducated, unenlightened and viciously bigoted.
Probably true Muskwa. Hillbillys & country folks are about the only ones left that the PC crowd still lets people ridicule. It's all perspective I guess, In the service a majority of the guys were from the south, they thought I was the one who talked funny. I used to ask them this. What does the guy on your local news sound like ? They'd ususally answer,,,, Well, like you. I always laughed and said I rest my case ;) Accents can be taken I suppose as discriminitory. I actually started to pick up some of the accent myself. In fact the first time I was home on leave I threw a Y'all into a conversation without realizing it. People looked at me like I just stepped on their cat.
I did hear a good line from Foxworthy on southern accents. He said that just because you have a southern accent doesn't make you a dumb redneck. He did say though that he had to admit, if he was about to have brain surgery and the Dr. walked in and (insert thick southern accent) "Whhatcre gunna Doo hearea isa lop that ol' tumor off like a tic on a bluehound.....He might have second thoguhts ;)
Last night I talked with a black man coming out of Cub in the MIDWAY! I pushed my cart out (he carried a couple of his own bags)-he let me go first out the security doors-we laughed and he said something to the fact that "if my wife came home with that many groceries I would be happy too" and we discussed coupons and such...and went our seperate ways-then he drove back up next to me and asked me questions about my truck (he had a Durango also) he was curious how I started it while loading the back --I told him about the wonderful gift from Best Buy-a truck starter :)---he said he had a friend who works at Best Buy and better look into it--nice guy --his last words were "you have a blessed evening"
- now the surprising thing was the neighborhood we were in- I dont think he thought I would give him a second glance and be afraid as we walked out- I never have a problem over in Midway- and I would hope as much as possible that we could all be humanly neighborly to eachother no matter what the race - it didn't matter if he were black or not -it was all with a 'kind' tone -it's attitude that made the difference not race.
My husband doesnt like me going to the Midway by myself for safety issues. But when I called him to tell him all the attention I got for having such a full cart-he was happy that I was happy- because I had that "high" as if I were getting attention in a bar.
I had so much food I couldn't fit anymore into the cart-it actually was toppling out while in the store. and the comments were funny- WOW! The cashier, the policeman inside the store, the man, and 2 women in the parking lot who said "damn" under their breath as I walked out. (BTW: both women were black).
FYI: I never buy that much food-I was hungry besides having empty cupboards and I had to buy 'extras' for school lunches coming soon. Mark thought I spent $400 for a family of 4- I only spent $330 :) we usually only spend $200 every 2-3 weeks.
I know I know-getting off topic- here hows this...they didn't get to shop like this during the Civil War ;P
oh part of my point too-I don't live near the Midway. I go out of my way to shop in that area. I go to the Petsmart, Jo-Ann Fabrics, Cub, Payless, Blockbuster, Target.
I have those stores over here in my neighborhood in West St Paul-but I prefer the natural attitudes of Midway then the snobby, poorly run stores of West St Paul. so maybe I am prejudice against snobby people no matter what color they are ;p
hahaha- I used to go to the Rainbow over there for years. Then with this new change of ownership I am now at Cub...I still am not used to where everything is there---and I HATE that the ice cream is in the middle of the store so it melts as you continue shopping! I havnt been able to remember to get the ice cream when going to the checkout instead. :(
The CUB in West St Paul on Robert is disgusting! I thought I posted it a few weeks ago-but that is a whole nother story! I refuse to go there unless I need pop badly.
Best value = Simon Delivers I did an item by item comparison between the 4 and Simon's was only 8.5% more than Cub and 8% more than Rainbow and actually cheaper than Kowalski's. Take off the meat and paper products and that changes to about 5% more. What we found to be the best overall combination is to buy the meat and paper products from Rainbow and other food products from Simon's. I guess I'm just not fond of saving a maximum of $8.50 on a $100.00 food bill if it means I need to battle the crowds and touch my groceries 7 different times to get them in my cupboards. They also honor coupons so that wasn't a factor.
Though he’s a proud member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, or SCV, Block is not talking about the war between the North and the South. That battle’s already been fought and won, er, lost, depending on one’s perspective.
http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2003/feb/20030220Feat001.asp
I didn't say that the US interjecting itself into other countries business was a bad thing. I just think that it needs to be recognized that we did it on the basis of self interest.
In fact, isn't that sort of the point of capitalism in general?
In fact, isn't that sort of the point of capitalism in general?
Hmmmm, I wonder if I should avoid posting after just having read the "Answer the Question with a Question" thread?
Lincoln arrives in Washington
President-elect Abraham Lincoln arrives in Washington amid secrecy and tight security. With seven states having already seceded from the Union since Lincoln's election, the threat of civil war hung in the air.
Allen Pinkerton, head of a private detective agency, had uncovered a plot to assassinate Lincoln when he passed through Baltimore on his way to the capital. Lincoln and his advisors disagreed about how to respond to the threat. Some, including Pinkerton, wanted Lincoln to slip secretly into Washington, which would mean skipping an address to the Pennsylvania legislature in Harrisburg. Lincoln did not want to appear cowardly, but he felt the threats were serious.
Lincoln agreed to the covert arrival. With Pinkerton and Ward Hill Lamon, his former law partner, Lincoln slipped out of the hotel in Harrisburg on the evening of February 22. He wore a soft felt hat instead of his customary stovepipe hat, and he draped an overcoat over his shoulders and hunched slightly to disguise his height. The group boarded a sleeper car and arrived in Baltimore in the middle of the night. The trio slipped undetected from the Calvert Street station to Camden station across town. There, they boarded another train and arrived without incident in Washington at 6:00 a.m. On the platform, the party was surprised when a voice boomed, "Abe, you can't play that on me." It was Congressman Elihu B. Washburne, a friend of Lincoln's from Illinois. Washburne escorted Lincoln to the Willard Hotel.
A myth arose that Lincoln had dressed as a woman to avoid detection, but this was not the case. He did draw considerable criticism in the press for his unceremonious arrival. Northern diarist George Templeton Strong commented that if convincing evidence of a plot did not surface, "the surreptitious nocturnal dodging...will be used to damage his moral position and throw ridicule on his Administration." Lincoln later regretted the caper and commented to a friend "I did not then, nor do I now believe I should have been assassinated had I gone through Baltimore..." Regardless of how he had arrived, Lincoln was safely in Washington, ready to assume the difficult task ahead.
I'd go see "Gods and Generals" if it wasn't four hours long.
It would be like enduring a long-haul flight.
Half of it would probably be Robert E. Lee fretting about his honor.
The scoundrel.
I'd go see "Gods and Generals" if it wasn't four hours long.
I was going to see it too, until I learned how long it is.
Have to wait for it to come out on video.
I read the book and it was a pretty good read.
There is an intermission. If it's a good movie you probably wouldn't notice as much. I've heard good thing from the people who saw it. The critics weren't too kind to it but they also thought Pulp Fiction and Titanic were great. I know I know, everyone loves those movies. Two of the most overrated movies of all time IMO. But to each their own.
I liked Pulp Fiction, couldn't stand Titanic.
I wouldn't buy either on DVD though.
What is this proble with four hours? Do you guys have prostate problems or something?
My wife bought Titanic when it came out on video. It's still in the wrapper. I told her to keep it that way, it will be worth more in 50 years when it's a collecter item, plus I won't have to suffer through it ever again.
I mean, anyone can go to the Historychannel.Com and get these same quips. Is there some point, or do you find Lincoln to be that interesting?
I am sure everyone can go to that site but they probably don't. I just post the ones I find the most interesting.
What is this proble with four hours? Do you guys have prostate problems or something?
I can't stand sitting in a theater much longer than 2 hours.
The critics say that the movie concentrates on certain battles and leaves most of the real historical content and motivations out and that's why they have panned it.
The critics pan the movie probably because they do not agree with the historical content and motivations that are portrayed rather than those issues were were left out. Now I haven't seen the movie but I have heard from some that have. The people I heard from were pleased with they way the South was portrayed regarding historical facts and the southern motivation for secession.
I'm inclined to watch just about anything with Robert Duvall in it.
Including THX 1138?
Yes Jethro...those anti-American devils at the History Channel want nothing more than to convert everyone into Democratic-Automatons. You said that not I.
In fairness, the film also documents the climb to power of top Union brass Lt. Col. Joshua Chamberlain (Jeff Daniels), but Maxwell's focus remains south of the Mason-Dixon Line, his favorable bias towards the armies of Virginia apparent.
Sounds like this reviewer has a northern bias.
Pickett leads his infamous charge at Gettysburg
Troops under Confederate General George Pickett begin a massive attack against the center of the Union lines at Gettysburg on the climactic third day of the Battle of Gettysburg, the largest engagement of the war. General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia encountered George Meade's Army of the Potomac in Pennsylvania and battered the Yankees for two days. The day before Pickett's charge, the Confederates had hammered each flank of the Union line but could not break through.
Now, on July 3, Lee decided to attack the Union center, stationed on Cemetery Ridge, after making another unsuccessful attempt on the Union right flank at Culp's Hill in the morning. The majority of the force consisted of Pickett's division, but there were other units represented among the 15,000 attackers.
After a long Confederate artillery bombardment, the Rebel force moved through the open field and up the slight rise of Cemetery Ridge. But by the time they reached the Union line, the attack had been broken into many small units, and they were unable to penetrate the Yankee center.
The failed attack effectively ended the battle of Gettysburg. On July 4, Lee began to withdraw his forces to Virginia. The casualties for both armies were staggering. Lee lost 28,000 of his 75,000 soldiers, and Union losses stood at over 22,000. It was the last time Lee threatened Northern territory.
80% of the First Minnesota Reg. died or were wounded in that battle.
1861 Congress passes Crittenden-Johnson Resolution
The Crittenden-Johnson Resolution passes, declaring that the war is being waged for the reunion of the states and not to interfere with the institutions of the South, namely slavery. The measure was important in keeping the pivotal states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland in the Union.
This resolution should not be confused with the Crittenden Compromise—a plan circulated after the Southern states began seceding from the Union that proposed to protect slavery as an enticement to keep the Southern states from leaving—which was defeated in Congress. At the beginning of the war, many Northerners supported a war for to keep the Union together, but had no interest in advancing the cause of abolition. The Crittenden-Johnson plan was passed in 1861 to distinguish the issue of emancipation from the war's purpose.
The common denominator of the two plans was Senator John Crittenden from Kentucky. Crittenden carried the torch of compromise borne so ably by another Kentucky senator, Henry Clay, who brokered such important deals as the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850 to keep the nation together. Clay died in 1852, but Crittenden carried on the spirit befitting the representative of a state deeply divided over the issue of slavery.
Although the measure was passed in Congress, it meant little when, just two weeks later, President Lincoln signed a confiscation act, allowing for the seizure of property—including slaves—from rebellious citizens. Still, for the first year and a half of the Civil War, reunification of the United States was the official goal of the North. It was not until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation of September 1863 that slavery became a goal.
For those that think the North wanted to abolish slavery.
Yeah... And the term "Abolitionists" was a fakery and fabrication, perpetrated on all of us by historians, too.
Abolitionists were a MINORITY. They had as much influence over politics as the Dennis Rahnkonens of this country do today. Why must you totally disregard everything that doesn't fit your preconceptions?
Without the abolishionists, stupid, Lincoln could have NEVER been elected.
Lincoln's election was primarily due to a split in the democrat party. Here check it out: http://www.potus.com/alincoln.html
I am sure that it makes no difference since facts do not matter to you.
Why you callin Lincoln stupid, ninja?
Bill was calling jethro stupid, not Lincoln.
No, he said the abolitionists were stupid
Why would Bill pass up a chance to call jethro stupid?
Maybe he gets tired of repeating himself.
Haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
789 rowJOE :)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo22.html
Lincoln replies to Horace Greeley
President Lincoln writes a carefully worded letter in response to Horace Greeley's abolitionist editorial, and hints at a change in his policy concerning slavery.
From the outset of the Civil War, Lincoln proclaimed the war's goal to be the reunion of the nation. He said little about slavery for fear of alienating key constituencies such as the Border States of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and, to a lesser extent, Delaware. Each of these states allowed slavery but had not seceded from the Union. Lincoln was also concerned about Northern Democrats, who generally opposed fighting the war to free the slaves but whose support Lincoln needed.
Tugging him in the other direction were abolitionists such as Frederick Douglass and Horace Greeley. In his editorial, "The Prayer of Twenty Millions," Greeley assailed Lincoln for his soft treatment of slaveholders and for his unwillingness to enforce the Confiscation Acts, which called for the property, including slaves, of Confederates to be taken when their homes were captured by Union forces. Abolitionists saw the acts as a wedge to drive into the institution of slavery.
Lincoln had been toying with the idea of emancipation for some time. He discussed it with his cabinet but decided that some military success was needed to give the measure credibility. In his response to Greeley's editorial, Lincoln hinted at a change. In a rare public response to criticism, he articulated his policy by stating, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Although this sounded noncommittal, Lincoln closed by stating, "I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
By hinting that ending slavery may become a goal of the war, Lincoln was preparing the public for the change in policy that would come one month later with the Emancipation Proclamation.
First, if it weren't for the Abolishionists, Slavery may very well have continued, and much, much longer than it did. So, I LOVE abolishionists, Muskwa.
To bad you can't spell abolitionist. Apparently you believe that abolitionists were the engine behind the civil war. If true then they were the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths.
In essence, Lincoln was a Just and Incredibly-Intelligent President, who in fact DID want to stop the insanity of Slavery, many years before the War, and I think we all know that.
I think you live in a fantasy world, fold. Lincoln would have been quite happy to have slavery continue throughout his presidency had the south not seceded.
Lincoln's main goal was keeping the union intact, with or without slavery. Slavery would have died a natural death on its own whether the South became a separate country or not. If that had happened, I don't think we would have the race problems we have today. Nor would the North have had the chance to subjugate the South the way it did, causing resentments that are still alive.
Muskwa 8/26/03 9:46am
Can't they let it go ? Good grief it's only been 140 years.
I wonder if those who still have that resentment for the North ever wonder or consider that they might have just been wrong about slavery in the first place. I'm sure some sadly don't.
Nor would the North have had the chance to subjugate the South the way it did, causing resentments that are still alive.
And we may not have had the federal usurpation of power that it was never intended to have.
Rob, I think it's time the South let it go, but I can understand why it's hard to do. Until recently, when taxes and other conditions in the North caused a rush south, the South was the subject of contempt and stereotypes. Everyone down here was a redneck or a cracker or a hillbilly or a cowboy, and that always translated to uneducated, unenlightened and viciously bigoted.
intersting stuff Muskwa
some of my family came from the south and I found them to be very smart-a couple even members of Mensa.
instead of "cowboys" mine were the "indians" :)
Muskwa 8/27/03 9:41am
Probably true Muskwa. Hillbillys & country folks are about the only ones left that the PC crowd still lets people ridicule. It's all perspective I guess, In the service a majority of the guys were from the south, they thought I was the one who talked funny. I used to ask them this. What does the guy on your local news sound like ? They'd ususally answer,,,, Well, like you. I always laughed and said I rest my case ;) Accents can be taken I suppose as discriminitory. I actually started to pick up some of the accent myself. In fact the first time I was home on leave I threw a Y'all into a conversation without realizing it. People looked at me like I just stepped on their cat.
I did hear a good line from Foxworthy on southern accents. He said that just because you have a southern accent doesn't make you a dumb redneck. He did say though that he had to admit, if he was about to have brain surgery and the Dr. walked in and (insert thick southern accent) "Whhatcre gunna Doo hearea isa lop that ol' tumor off like a tic on a bluehound.....He might have second thoguhts ;)
JOE!
well I guess my daddy had an accent but I never noticedtil I looked back on old videos of him :)
note: I really called him dad!
There's plenty of racism all over this country. They're just more open about it in the South than in the North.
I have a black friend originally from Mississippi, who told me once "At least down South you know who your enemies are".
:(
that is such sad stuff!
Last night I talked with a black man coming out of Cub in the MIDWAY! I pushed my cart out (he carried a couple of his own bags)-he let me go first out the security doors-we laughed and he said something to the fact that "if my wife came home with that many groceries I would be happy too" and we discussed coupons and such...and went our seperate ways-then he drove back up next to me and asked me questions about my truck (he had a Durango also) he was curious how I started it while loading the back --I told him about the wonderful gift from Best Buy-a truck starter :)---he said he had a friend who works at Best Buy and better look into it--nice guy --his last words were "you have a blessed evening"
- now the surprising thing was the neighborhood we were in- I dont think he thought I would give him a second glance and be afraid as we walked out- I never have a problem over in Midway- and I would hope as much as possible that we could all be humanly neighborly to eachother no matter what the race - it didn't matter if he were black or not -it was all with a 'kind' tone -it's attitude that made the difference not race.
My husband doesnt like me going to the Midway by myself for safety issues. But when I called him to tell him all the attention I got for having such a full cart-he was happy that I was happy- because I had that "high" as if I were getting attention in a bar.
I had so much food I couldn't fit anymore into the cart-it actually was toppling out while in the store. and the comments were funny- WOW! The cashier, the policeman inside the store, the man, and 2 women in the parking lot who said "damn" under their breath as I walked out. (BTW: both women were black).
FYI: I never buy that much food-I was hungry besides having empty cupboards and I had to buy 'extras' for school lunches coming soon.
Mark thought I spent $400 for a family of 4- I only spent $330 :)
we usually only spend $200 every 2-3 weeks.
I know I know-getting off topic- here hows this...they didn't get to shop like this during the Civil War ;P
oh part of my point too-I don't live near the Midway. I go out of my way to shop in that area. I go to the Petsmart, Jo-Ann Fabrics, Cub, Payless, Blockbuster, Target.
I have those stores over here in my neighborhood in West St Paul-but I prefer the natural attitudes of Midway then the snobby, poorly run stores of West St Paul. so maybe I am prejudice against snobby people no matter what color they are ;p
My husband doesnt like me going to the Midway by myself for safety issues.
What safety issues?
There's very little violent crime in the Cub parking lot.
:-)
btw: I'm surprised I've never seen you over there.
Also, crime maps of St Paul: http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/ca_maps.html#maps_2003
hahaha- I used to go to the Rainbow over there for years.
Then with this new change of ownership I am now at Cub...I still am not used to where everything is there---and I HATE that the ice cream is in the middle of the store so it melts as you continue shopping! I havnt been able to remember to get the ice cream when going to the checkout instead. :(
The CUB in West St Paul on Robert is disgusting!
I thought I posted it a few weeks ago-but that is a whole nother story! I refuse to go there unless I need pop badly.
Or is it 'soda' in the south? or vice versa?
Soda-pop-palina-JOE
actually in most of the south its coke. what kind of coke? a pepsi coke. a coke coke. a mountain dew coke.
Cub = Crowded warehouse shopping experience with cheap prices
<http://www.cub.com/recipes-webapp/index.html>
Rainbow = Uncrowded warehouse shopping experience with moderate prices
<http://www.ncr.com/repository/case_studies/store_automation/sa_rainbow.htm> actual site under construction
Kowalski's = Uncrowded convenient shopping experience with higher prices but more selection
<http://www.kowalskis.com/>
Simon Delivers = Super convenient on-line shopping experience with moderate prices
<http://www.simondelivers.com/>
Best value = Simon Delivers
I did an item by item comparison between the 4 and Simon's was only 8.5% more than Cub and 8% more than Rainbow and actually cheaper than Kowalski's. Take off the meat and paper products and that changes to about 5% more. What we found to be the best overall combination is to buy the meat and paper products from Rainbow and other food products from Simon's. I guess I'm just not fond of saving a maximum of $8.50 on a $100.00 food bill if it means I need to battle the crowds and touch my groceries 7 different times to get them in my cupboards. They also honor coupons so that wasn't a factor.
Great Civil War topic huh? ;-)
hahahahaha
I keep forgeting to sing up with Simon -thanks for the reminder
back on topic though--check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188787043&category=13960
Minnesota Civil War Memorabilia on EBAY!
it is very cool too
he took his patch from his uniform and stuck it on wood-?
I would buy it for over $300 if I didn't have to, say....EAT?!!!!! ;p lol
At 8.5% Simon's would cost me about $500 - $600 a year.
well I wouldn't get meat or paper goods from Simon
I would go to the butcher for the meat (Mikes on Robert St)
and Target for TP and PT's