I'm thinking that Sehorn, and Seau moreso, would be looking to go to a team that would be making a Super Bowl run. They haven't won a ring I think. They would want one. I don't know what the market will be like for them though.
Say What? By Viking Update Staff Date: Mar 15, 2003
If this wasn't our lead story, it would be prefaced that it came from the "Monkeys Fly Out of Our Butt" Department, but Jeff George will be in town Sunday. Why? Read on, McDuff. Jeff George has carried a bad rap in the NFL ever since he his hometown Colts took him (against his will) as the No. 1 pick in the 1990 draft. However, when he was with the Vikings, the VU staff -- primarily Game Day reporter John Holler and columnist Adrian Hallsey -- loved the guy. He had a rifle arm and didn't bring any of the bad karma to the Vikings that dogged him during his previous NFL career.
Yet, when Denny Green yanked his dignity by offering his job to Dan Marino, George left for Washington. In D.C., he ran into old-school slappy Marty Schottenheimer, whose dink-and-dunk passing philosphy was a round peg/square hole fit with George. His reputation continued -- although unjustified from personal experience by VU.
Flash forward two years -- minus two weeks. A couple of weeks ago, VU paisan Paul Allen, Vikings radio voice and host of a morning sports radio talk show in the Twin Cities, was in e-mail contact with Mike Tice. Half-jokingly, he brought up George. Tice responded in usual Tice fashion -- brutally honest. His reaction to George was similar to getting an e-mail asking if the Vikes were going to sign "Emmanuel from Utah."
Flash forward two weeks. As hard as it may be to believe, George will be in town tomorrow to talk deal with the Vikings. Whether it gets done or not is irrelevant. Tice has shown once again that the NFL is not "show friends" it's "show business." Why he's coming is explained below, but as VU capo Tony Parker said last year at the draft when Tice admitted he would have taken WR Josh Reed if Buffalo hadn't, "The kid talks too much." Touchdown Tony was right, but VU still loves George -- even if nobody else does.
SATURDAY NOTES
Why is George coming in? For the second time in two days, a free agent accepted less money to play with someone else. QB Shane Matthews, who VU reported earlier this week had a two-year deal on the table with the Vikings for more than $2 million, signed a one-year deal with the Bucs for $800,000. In addition, a source close to Neil O'Donnell has told VU that the Vikings have officially ended any and all conversations about a contract -- just move on, baby. With both of them out of the picture, George is now opposing Gus Frerotte -- two guys who washed out in Washington. But, then again, so did Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson and they played in the Super Bowl last January -- and the Redskins traded draft picks to the Vikes for both of them.
Lost out on free agent bit No. 2 -- despite signing Denard Walker, the Vikes were interested in Green Bay CB Tyrone Williams. He signed with Atlanta Friday.
In other Packers Suck news, LB Nate Wayne signed with the Eagles Friday, leading more speculation that 9-7 may win the NFC North -- and 6-10 would be good enough for second place again.
Another former Packer is Billy Lyon. His deal called for no signing bonus. If he makes the final roster, he gets a $400,000 kiss. Other than that, his three-year, $2.3 million deal has no baggage. If you get Pro Wrestling Torch, you may want to pass along that he is no relation to Billy Red Lyons, who, along with Red Bastien, ruled the tag-team world of the AWA before future Governor Jesse Ventura hit the scene.
From the Killer Segue Department comes this: Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota named former State Sen. Roy Terwilliger to head the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission. While in the Legislature, Terwilliger was a strong proponent of stadium initiatives, which is good sign for the Vikings in their effort to get a hug from the state on their plans for a new stadium.
In more gnashing of teeth news, the Vikes lost out on LB Barry Gardner, who signed with the Browns. Last month, the Browns cut all three of their starting linebackers, including Dwayne "Chuck the Helmet" Rudd.
VU has been told with Orlando Brown signed with the Ravens, that Mike Rosenthal is the top choice on their free agent board -- which gets names erased daily. That said, the Vikes have started talks with journeyman jobber Jerry Wunsch -- last seen in Seattle.
As expected, the deadline for signing Jim Kleinsasser passed. The odds of him signing between now and July 15 -- if he does, the Vikes surrender the franchise tag for the duration of his contract -- are as likely as "People" magazine listing Lurts as one of it's Most Beautiful People of 2003. Not that Lurts isn't fetching, but it ain't happening.
VU continues to hear that, with the threat of war and the lack of support of U.S. allies in Europe, the usual enthusiasm among players to toil in NFL Europe is at an all-time low. VU reported last month that a plan is in place to play the Artist Formerly Known as the World League in the southern U.S. this year -- give San Antonio a taste of pro ball. With each passing day, concerns are mounting. The plug may get pulled for 2003.
No Culpepper doesn't need a mentor. The Vikes need a back-up who can play. And while George is an asshole. He can play better than Matthews or Ferrotte.
Actually, I think Daunte does need a mentor. He's got the ability. Physically he's a gifted athlete. I think he needs a seasoned veteran to mentor him better. Help him better prepare for games, for dealing with game situations. Help him learn how to be a better NFL quarterback.
His mentoring days are over. George, Tice, and Linehan can give pointers, but Daunte is his own quarterback. I don't think Daunte needs any advice on his fumbling problem. He has to take better care of the football period. No mentoring needed there. His decision making was hampered by the Randy Ratio bullshit and crappy offensive line play.
Culpepper needs one of two things. He needs a veteran QB to mentor him or he needs a QB coach which I do not think the Vikes have. Culpepper still has some rough edges that a QB coach or a vet QB could show him.
Thanks for the V.U stuff you post. I enjoy it alot so please don't take this as a complaint at all. I just noticed they seem to recycle alot of stories etc. Just an observation. But I like reading it.
[3/19] OL Jerry Wunsch has opted to stay in Seattle; WR Oronde Gadsden arrives Thursday; there's no interest in CB Jason Sehorn; WR Derrick Alexander's agent won't say whether he agreed to cut his pay from $1.4 million to $650,000; a contract offer has been made to QB Jeff George; OT Mike Rosenthal might get an offer on Wednesday; [3/18] QB Jeff George apparently will be offered a contract on Tuesday; the Vikes are targeting Saints CB Ken Irvin and Titans CB Donald Mitchell.
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The Minnesota Vikings filled their backup quarterback spot on Wednesday afternoon as the team reached contract agreement with unrestricted free agent Gus Frerotte.
The nine-year veteran visited recently with Vikings officials, who had been seeking a replacement for departed backup Todd Bouman, and Minnesota turned to him after Jeff George rejected a minimum-salary offer. Frerotte will sign a two-year contract worth about $1.8 million-$1.9 million and including a signing bonus of approximately $100,000.
George was in Minneapolis on Sunday and Monday to meet with coach Mike Tice and team officials. It appeared the team favored George over its other options, but a deal could not be completed.
The much-traveled Frerotte will be joining his third different franchise in three years and his fifth different team overall. He spent the 2002 season in Cincinnati, and actually opened the campaign as the Bengals' starter, before losing the job to Jon Kitna after three contests.
Frerotte, 31, has played on one-year contracts each of the last three seasons, so the multi-year deal is indeed a luxury for him. Minnesota last week dealt Bouman to New Orleans for a low-round draft choice. The team was looking for a backup who would also serve as a mentor of sorts to Daunte Culpepper, who is entering his fourth season as the starter.
In nine seasons, Frerotte has served stints in Washington (1994-98), Detroit (1999), Denver (2000-2001) and Cincinnati (2002). Frerotte has appeared in 80 games and started 62 contests. He has completed 1,131 of 2,075 passes for 14,407 yards, with 70 touchdown passes and 64 interceptions.
Last season, he appeared in five games and started three for the Bengals. He had 44 completions in 85 attempts for 437 yards, with one touchdown pass and five interceptions.
Originally selected by Washington in the seventh round of the 1994 draft, he earned a starting spot in his second season with the team. He had 40 starts for the Redskins 1995-1997, but has started just 18 games since then.
The Jets had approached 15 teams about making a deal for a wide receiver, Bradway said. He admitted he was particularly interested in the Seahawks' Darrell Jackson and the 49ers' Tai Streets. In addition to Conway, the Jets also talked to Antonio Freeman and Frank Sanders.
Bradway denied reports that the Jets had approached Minnesota to make a deal for Randy Moss — Pennington's college teammate at Marshall
— or had spoken to the ex-Jet Keyshawn Johnson, who is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
tai streets ... antonio freeman ... randy moss. yeah, that call never went through.
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Even as they have pursed free agents from other teams in an attempt to repair a shoddy defense, the Minnesota Vikings were chasing one of their own unrestricted veterans, and on Thursday they landed him.
Defensive end Lance Johnstone, the team's leading sacker in 2002, has reached agreement on a three-year contract. The deal could be worth as much as $4.6 million, with incentives, and includes a $700,000 signing bonus. The first-year base salary is $655,000.
Later in the day, the Vikings added their second new cornerback in a week, reaching agreement with unrestricted free agent Ken Irvin, who played for the New Orleans Saints in 2002.
Irvin, 30, netted a three-year, $4.5 million contract that that includes a signing bonus of $1.2 million.
The Vikings concluded a busy day by reaching agreement with unrestricted free agent offensive tackle Mike Rosenthal on a two-year deal. Financial details of that contract were not immediately available.
Retaining Johnstone, a seven-year veteran who started all 16 games last season, was a key for the Vikings, whose offseason priority is upgrading the defense. A prototype "edge" rusher, Johnstone is the Vikings' best outside pass rush threat and he registered seven sacks in 2002.
Signed as an unrestricted free agent in 2001, he has 12½ sacks in his two seasons with the Vikings. Johnstone drew interest from several teams during the free agent period, but no one stepped up financially to the level that he was anticipating, and the Vikings remained dogged in their pursuit.
Minnesota coaches feel Johnson can still be a double-digit sack player.
Johnstone, 29, has 41½ career sacks to go with 290 tackles, a dozen forced fumbles, one interception and 15 pass deflections. While not particularly big, he possesses good quickness and plays the run better than most people think.
The former Temple star played the first five seasons of his career with the Oakland Raiders, who chose him in the second round of the 1996 draft, and he totaled 21 sacks for them in 1998-99.
Irvin chose the Vikings over the Detroit Lions, and also had interest from a few other teams as well. The eight-year veteran played the first seven years of his career with the Buffalo Bills, before signing with New Orleans as a free agent last spring.
His addition, along with that of free agent Denard Walker last week, should significantly upgrade the Minnesota cornerback corps. Given what transpires over the rest of free agency, and where the coaches decide to use versatile Corey Chavous, who can play safety or cornerback, Irvin could challenge for a starting job. At worst, he should be the "nickel" corner, a role that he has filled in the past.
The former University of Memphis standout started nine contests for the Saints in 2002 and appeared in all 16. He had 62 tackles, two interceptions and 17 passes defensed. For his career, he has appeared in 124 games and started 63 of them, and has nine interceptions and 63 pass breakups.
Rosenthal, 25, was a key acquisition for the Vikings, who have been seeking a starting right tackle so they can move Chris Liwienski to his more natural position of left guard. Minnesota failed to land Orlando Brown, their main target, last week and then turned its attention to Rosenthal.
A four-year veteran who has played his entire previous career with the New York Giants, the former Notre Dame star emerged as a solid performer in 2002, his first full season as a starter. After starting just nine games in his first three seasons, he started all 16 last year.
The signing of Elling, finally, was another indication the Vikings are looking for someone other than Gary Anderson to kick this season. New special teams coach Rusty Tillman scouted Elling last season when he was briefly with Seattle, and the Vikings are also excited about the potential of Todd France, currently playing in NFL Europe.
Tice said Elling, France and Hayden Epstein could compete for the job in training camp.
"Right now," Tice said, "it looks like we're leaning toward going into the season with a young kicker."
Extra points
• The Vikings' interest in receiver Oronde Gadsden was piqued when Cris Carter called Tice to recommend him. Carter played with Gadsden last season in Miami. "Cris told me he's one of the most quality character guys he's ever played with, and that he has some of the biggest hands around," Tice said. "I like big receivers [Gadsden is 6-2], and it's definitely worth a visit."
Gadsden was scheduled to arrive Thursday night in the Twin Cities.
• Linebacker Antonio Wilson, a fourth-round pick in 2000, signed with Houston.
Wow, the Vikes actually have 2 legitimate CB's? Say it aint so! I see we also signed Rosenthal(sp), that will solidify our O line. All we need now is another WR, DT and maybe a good DE. I look for a much improved Defense this coming year.
Signing Flurry Continues By Viking Update Staff Date: Mar 21, 2003
After a slow start, the Vikings turned up the heat Thursday with three signings that could change the look of the 2003 Vikings.` The Vikings weren't the first team in the free agent pool and they weren't the biggest spenders. But, in the end, they may be one of the most improved teams when all is said and done.
The Vikings had a flurry of signings Friday, as one after another three veteran players came to terms.
First, the Vikings re-signed DE Lance Johnstone. While the team didn't release numbers on the deal, VU has been told it's a three-year contract worth $4.6 million with $700,000 up front.
Next, the Vikings finally cemented their offensive line by signing RT Mike Rosenthal of the Giants. While he was asking for more money to stay in New York, he accepted a two-year deal for $1.8 million that includes no signing bonus, but meetable playing incentives that could push the deal to $2.4 million.
Finally, the Vikings addressed their secondary problem by signing CB Ken Irvin of the Saints. His deal was three years, $4.5 million with $1.2 million up front. He is expected to battle for a starting job opposite Denard Walker and will allow the Vikings to move Corey Chavous to safety.
After a very slow start to free agency, the Vikings have finally become players in the game and it may not be over yet.
FRIDAY NOTES
A VU source with the Dolphins told us that the Vikings have put a deal on the table for WR Oronde Gadsden worth $3-3.5 million. His initial asking price for a three-year deal was closer to $4.5 million and some think the Vikings may increase their offer to assure landing Gadsden.
The Vikings will have some more money to play with at the WR position. VU has been told Derrick Alexander will accept a pay cut to veteran minimum -- thus being spared the indignity of being released for the second time in 12 months.
Speaking of released, the Jets are said to be closing in on a deal with kicker Doug Brien, who last seen being run out of Winter Park on a rail by larger teammates.
VU has been told that the Vikings have been in contact with the agent for DT Sam Adams. If the Vikings could sign Adams, it would be a clear indication the team will trade down in the first round of the draft. If they stay at No. 7, they will almost assuredly take a defensive tackle.
The Vikes sign Adams, there is a good chance they could trade down with the Saints and get the linebacker and safety whom I spoke about earlier. Boss Bailey and Mike Doss. Their linebackers were shit outside of Biekert and Biekert is getting older, slowing down, and not so great in pass coverage. That's why the Raiders let him go in favor of their star rookie last year. Safety is another weakness. E.J. Henderson of Maryland is another stud linebacker available.
A few things. The latest CNNSI mock draft has the Vikings taking Kennedy. CNNSI predicts a few trades ahead of the Vikings, but the Vikings staying put. They had Newman going first, and Palmer going at like 5 or 6. It will be interesting to see where the quarterbacks and what trades happen.
Also, I really like the addition of Chris Claiborne. I didn't know we were looking at getting this guy, and now I read in the paper it looks like we've got him signed. That would be awesome. A good young linebacker can really help us. He's been with Detroit, so it's hard to say how good he really is. I guess we'll find out soon. But a great addition I think to the defense.
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The Minnesota Vikings paid up and now they expect veteran linebacker Chris Claiborne, who late Monday night agreed to terms on a new two-year contract as an unrestricted free agent, to lighten up.
As the latest addition to a Minnesota defense that ranked 26th in the league in 2002, Claiborne has been penciled in as the starting strongside linebacker by the Vikings defensive staff. But now that the Vikings have paid up, with a deal that is worth $5 million and includes a $750,000 signing bonus, they also expect the former Detroit Lions starter to shape up.
"There is a big difference between a player and a playmaker," explained one Vikings coach. "We feel like (Claiborne) can be a playmaker and we will put him in position to make a difference for us. But if he's as (overweight) as he was last year, then he'll just be a player."
Lions coaches contend that Claiborne lined up in 2002 at nearly 270 pounds, about 12 pounds more than his usual playing weight. And while he totaled 101 tackles and a career-best 4 ½ sacks, the feeling in Detroit was that he was not as productive as he could be, one reason the Lions made so little effort to re-sign him this offseason.
Despite starting in all four previous NFL seasons, Claiborne won't turn 25 until early in his fifth training camp, and scouts agree that he possesses terrific upside potential. It is notable, however, that few teams pursued the former Southern California standout with big-money offers.
Of the elite pool of linebackers in this year's free agent class, he received the shortest contract, and the $2.5 million average was below the market value of most of the other top players at the position who switched teams. That is in part why he ended up in Minnesota, where the Vikings have plenty of cap room but are still exercising fiscal restraint, and where the club continues to try to revamp its defense.
Claiborne becomes the fourth new defender acquired through free agency, joining cornerbacks Denard Walker and Ken Irvin and tackle Billy Lyon. The Vikings also re-signed end Lance Johnstone, their leading sacker in '02, late last week. The team pursued Claiborne quietly and, before arriving in Minneapolis on Monday night after the agreement had been struck, he had not visited with coaches or teams officials.
New defensive coordinator George O'Leary will have more than his share of fresh faces with which to work.
The Lions' first-round choice in the 1999 draft, and the ninth player chosen overall that year, Claiborne began his career as a weakside linebacker. When middle linebacker Stephen Boyd was injured in 2001, Claiborne moved to the inside spot and remained there in 2002. The plans by Vikings coaches to play him on the strong side completes the circuit for the four-year veteran.
Claiborne has posted 100 or more tackles each of the past three seasons and has 391 for his career. His resume includes 10 ½ sacks, six interceptions and five forced fumbles. He has started in 58 of his 63 appearances and missed just one game in his four years with the Lions.
What are your thoughts so far on how we are looking or addressing our needs ?
If I had to grade what they have done so far I would give them a 'B'. Not really their fault that there is not a lot of "stud" FA out there. I think that they have not over spent on the ones they did grab. The secondary and the LB's should be muched improved (although it will not be hard to top the last couple of years). I see them taking a DT with their first pick in the draft and that the D will improve to about the middle of the pack.
When was the last time we had a good "D". 94 or so ?
How long has Dungy been gone? =) The only thing I do not understand is keeping Alexander on the roster. He did nothing for us at WR. I know he signed on this year at the vet min. salary but still, I think we could do better with a younger player that could benefit down the road. As of now I would say the Vikes have a good shot at being between 8-8 and 10-6 next year.
I'd take 10-6, it might be enough to win the central. We'll probably be the Pack's only competition this year in the central.
You're right, it wouldn't do much to improve the D. I think they'll get better. Really if you look at it one way we were pretty good against the run, our secondary was so poor though so the new guys should help.
Re: Alexander, I agree, however perhaps they can re-work him into a 3rd down guy, he does have pretty good hands. What's the news on Gadsden ?
The key to our D is going to be how fast they can gel together as a team. The first couple of games could look ugly, but they will come together over the year. Here is what I found out on Gadsen and Alexander....
The Vikings are still interested in signing WR Oronde Gadsden, but he is still balking at the size of the contract and the Vikes are starting to say he would be used as the No. 3 receiver. Neither of those should be perceived as a good sign and perhaps more gamesmanship in the negotiation process than fact. If signed, Gadsden would open the season as a starter.
Derrick Alexander has agreed to take a pay cut from $1.7 million to $750,000 (the veteran minimum) to stay with the Vikings. That could be a good sign for his chances of winning back a starting spot.
I think I read somewhere that the reason they are thinking of retaining Alexander is that he seems to perform better in the second year he's with a team. So his second year in the league was better than his first. Then he switches teams, and his second year with that new team is better than the first.
As for their defense, I would give it a B. They are working hard to address it. They've added secondary depth. They've added some depth to their DL with the signing of Lyon. D line depth is key, and if they can address that and their secondary depth more in the draft, even better. They've even addressed linebacker. They aren't focusing really one one aspect, but all aspects. I think the big signing, potentially, is Claiborne. He has the physical gifts it seems. He was in Detroit, which wasn't the greatest of situations for a player. A change of scenery for him could REALLY benefit him, and in turn benefit us. That's what I'm hoping for at least.
While VU is being told that the Vikings are confident one or more of the four defensive players they want at No. 7 -- DTs Jimmy Kennedy and Dwayne Robertson, DE Terrell Suggs and CB Terence Newman -- will be on the board when they hit the clock, Red McCombs could be the sticking point. McCombs, who is still the subject of constant rumors about the selling the team,has expressed an unwillingness to hand over another $10 million signing bonus like the one given to Bryant McKinnie. If that happens, either another long holdout will occur or the Vikings will have to go in a different direction.
A very solid Saints source has told VU that the Saints and Vikes have had preliminary talks about trading the No. 7 pick to New Orleans in exchange for two picks in the first round from the Saints -- Nos. 17-18 in the draft.
In addition, VU has been told that the Jets are looking to get into the top seven or eight picks and have targeted the Vikings and Cowboys as the two most likely scenarios to trade their two first round picks -- Nos. 13 and 22.
While any trades will likely be contingent on who is off the board by the sixth pick, the fact the Vikings are talking and leaving the lines of communication open is a promising sign for fans looking to stockpile picks in the early rounds of next month's draft.
I would rather see the Vikes keep the #7 pick and get a blue chip player, but trading down to get 2 first round picks is pretty damn good too. Any thoughts on this?
If the Vikings can get a real impact player with the #7 pick, I'd say keep that. But they could add some good quality players and depth by having two first round draft picks. Sounds like there's a good number of defensive tackles, so they could still get a good quality one later in the first round. They also could address other defensive needs. Maybe two d-linemen. Maybe a linebacker (Boss Bailey?). Maybe a defensive back (Marcus Trufant?) Heck, maybe if the teams are desperate enough, perhaps we can get into a bidding war and get more from a team, like another later round pick.
Culpepper On Hold? By Viking Update Staff Date: Mar 31, 2003
With free agency expected to slow to a crawl, some have speculated that Daunte Culpepper would be next in line for a pay day if the Vikings were to turn their attention to signing him long-term. However, VU has been told that, until the ownership question is decided by Red McCombs, the matter is moot at this time. It happens every April -- after a flurry of free agent activity, signings slow to almost a complete stop as teams gear up for the April 26-27 college draft. Some felt this would be a time for the contract people with the Vikings to try to work out a contract extension with Daunte Culpepper. But VU has been told that, while talks may continue, the ownership of Red McCombs could be a sticking point.
For several months, rumors of McCombs' interest in selling the Vikings have circulated. One of the reasons many media outlets believed McCombs was in a hurry to sell the club was due to big signing bonus money owed Randy Moss and Bryant McKinnie. It is expected that if Culpepper was to sign a long-term extension, he would be due a signing bonus in the $12-15 million range -- which some speculate is more than McCombs wants to turn over at the moment if indeed he is looking to sell the team.
The timing would be right to work out a deal with Culpepper, since the Vikings are still $16.3 million under the current salary cap, according to a team source. The cap hit for a Culpepper signing bonus could be incorporated into this year's cap, thus reducing the total signing bonus pro-rated portion in future years.
While McCombs remains consistent in his belief that Culpepper will be the long-term QB of the Vikings, the bigger question may be asked if McCombs will be the long-term owner? If the answer is yes, talks to get Culpepper a new deal in the next month will progress. If the answer is no or maybe, the Vikings and Culpepper may have to put contract talks on hold.
MONDAY NOTES
A team source told VU this weekend that Michael Bennett's foot surgery was a success and that, barring any post-operative complications, he should be good to go in six weeks.
The NFL owners meetings in Phoenix ended with two issues tabled until their next meeting in May. Those issues are a proposal to expand the playoffs by two teams -- a proposal VU has been told has little chance of passing -- and potential penalties to the Lions for not interviewing minority candidates when hiring Steve Mariucci as their head coach. The punishment, if any, is expected to be a loss of potential draft picks, but, by being tabled, it obviously won't be anything in next month's draft. If any picks are taken away, they are expected to be one or two mid- to late-round picks.
The Vikings expect RB Michael Bennett to have a 100 percent recovery from the fractured left foot he suffered March 24 at the team’s practice facility in Winter Park, Minn., but head coach Mike Tice might be forced to get some insurance in case his Pro Bowl back doesn’t make it all the way back. Bennett, who rushed for 1,296 yards in 2002, is a speed back who thrives on big-play ability. The hairline fracture of the fifth metatarsal could subtract some of that suddenness, which would make him a substantially less effective runner. The Vikings re-signed Moe Williams, but he is more of a short-yardage back and special-teams guy than a featured back. There is no other proven runner on the roster, which could force the team to use a pick for insurance because QB Daunte Culpepper hasn’t been successful when put in situations where he has to make every play. The one thing that could save the Vikings is Bennett’s foot ought to be about 75 percent recovered by Draft Day if the injury heals as expected. If he’s on schedule, Minnesota would trust that he will make it all the way back.
What are your thoughts on Lassiter?
I'm thinking that Sehorn, and Seau moreso, would be looking to go to a team that would be making a Super Bowl run. They haven't won a ring I think. They would want one. I don't know what the market will be like for them though.
He's good, but my thought is they won't pay the younger guys what they want. I think Kwaime wants big bucks.
That's what the Vikes want too. So no probs there. LOL
Heh, I'm sure teams like the Bengals and Cardinals have been wanting to make a playoff run for a long time, but it hasn't happened.
The Vikings are not THAT bad. LOL
LORD HELP US!
Say What?
By Viking Update Staff
Date: Mar 15, 2003
If this wasn't our lead story, it would be prefaced that it came from the "Monkeys Fly Out of Our Butt" Department, but Jeff George will be in town Sunday. Why? Read on, McDuff.
Jeff George has carried a bad rap in the NFL ever since he his hometown Colts took him (against his will) as the No. 1 pick in the 1990 draft. However, when he was with the Vikings, the VU staff -- primarily Game Day reporter John Holler and columnist Adrian Hallsey -- loved the guy. He had a rifle arm and didn't bring any of the bad karma to the Vikings that dogged him during his previous NFL career.
Yet, when Denny Green yanked his dignity by offering his job to Dan Marino, George left for Washington. In D.C., he ran into old-school slappy Marty Schottenheimer, whose dink-and-dunk passing philosphy was a round peg/square hole fit with George. His reputation continued -- although unjustified from personal experience by VU.
Flash forward two years -- minus two weeks. A couple of weeks ago, VU paisan Paul Allen, Vikings radio voice and host of a morning sports radio talk show in the Twin Cities, was in e-mail contact with Mike Tice. Half-jokingly, he brought up George. Tice responded in usual Tice fashion -- brutally honest. His reaction to George was similar to getting an e-mail asking if the Vikes were going to sign "Emmanuel from Utah."
Flash forward two weeks. As hard as it may be to believe, George will be in town tomorrow to talk deal with the Vikings. Whether it gets done or not is irrelevant. Tice has shown once again that the NFL is not "show friends" it's "show business." Why he's coming is explained below, but as VU capo Tony Parker said last year at the draft when Tice admitted he would have taken WR Josh Reed if Buffalo hadn't, "The kid talks too much." Touchdown Tony was right, but VU still loves George -- even if nobody else does.
SATURDAY NOTES
I thought the Vikes were bringing in a veteran QB to mentor Culpepper? George is not a good one for mentoring.
No Culpepper doesn't need a mentor. The Vikes need a back-up who can play. And while George is an asshole. He can play better than Matthews or Ferrotte.
I liked what I saw of that third string QB out of Maryland, too. = )
Actually, I think Daunte does need a mentor. He's got the ability. Physically he's a gifted athlete. I think he needs a seasoned veteran to mentor him better. Help him better prepare for games, for dealing with game situations. Help him learn how to be a better NFL quarterback.
His mentoring days are over. George, Tice, and Linehan can give pointers, but Daunte is his own quarterback. I don't think Daunte needs any advice on his fumbling problem. He has to take better care of the football period. No mentoring needed there. His decision making was hampered by the Randy Ratio bullshit and crappy offensive line play.
Culpepper needs one of two things. He needs a veteran QB to mentor him or he needs a QB coach which I do not think the Vikes have. Culpepper still has some rough edges that a QB coach or a vet QB could show him.
Heya' Stewartfan.
Thanks for the V.U stuff you post. I enjoy it alot so please don't take this as a complaint at all. I just noticed they seem to recycle alot of stories etc. Just an observation. But I like reading it.
[3/19] OL Jerry Wunsch has opted to stay in Seattle; WR Oronde Gadsden arrives Thursday; there's no interest in CB Jason Sehorn; WR Derrick Alexander's agent won't say whether he agreed to cut his pay from $1.4 million to $650,000; a contract offer has been made to QB Jeff George; OT Mike Rosenthal might get an offer on Wednesday; [3/18] QB Jeff George apparently will be offered a contract on Tuesday; the Vikes are targeting Saints CB Ken Irvin and Titans CB Donald Mitchell.
Wednesday, March 19
George rejected Vikings' minimum-salary offer
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By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
The Minnesota Vikings filled their backup quarterback spot on Wednesday afternoon as the team reached contract agreement with unrestricted free agent Gus Frerotte.
The nine-year veteran visited recently with Vikings officials, who had been seeking a replacement for departed backup Todd Bouman, and Minnesota turned to him after Jeff George rejected a minimum-salary offer. Frerotte will sign a two-year contract worth about $1.8 million-$1.9 million and including a signing bonus of approximately $100,000.
George was in Minneapolis on Sunday and Monday to meet with coach Mike Tice and team officials. It appeared the team favored George over its other options, but a deal could not be completed.
The much-traveled Frerotte will be joining his third different franchise in three years and his fifth different team overall. He spent the 2002 season in Cincinnati, and actually opened the campaign as the Bengals' starter, before losing the job to Jon Kitna after three contests.
Frerotte, 31, has played on one-year contracts each of the last three seasons, so the multi-year deal is indeed a luxury for him. Minnesota last week dealt Bouman to New Orleans for a low-round draft choice. The team was looking for a backup who would also serve as a mentor of sorts to Daunte Culpepper, who is entering his fourth season as the starter.
In nine seasons, Frerotte has served stints in Washington (1994-98), Detroit (1999), Denver (2000-2001) and Cincinnati (2002). Frerotte has appeared in 80 games and started 62 contests. He has completed 1,131 of 2,075 passes for 14,407 yards, with 70 touchdown passes and 64 interceptions.
Last season, he appeared in five games and started three for the Bengals. He had 44 completions in 85 attempts for 437 yards, with one touchdown pass and five interceptions.
Originally selected by Washington in the seventh round of the 1994 draft, he earned a starting spot in his second season with the team. He had 40 starts for the Redskins 1995-1997, but has started just 18 games since then.
Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
The Vikes signed Ferotte (sp) at least he will be a better mentor the George.
The Jets Bid Farewell to Coles
tai streets ... antonio freeman ... randy moss. yeah, that call never went through.
Johnstone, Irvin agree to three-year contracts
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By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
Even as they have pursed free agents from other teams in an attempt to repair a shoddy defense, the Minnesota Vikings were chasing one of their own unrestricted veterans, and on Thursday they landed him.
Defensive end Lance Johnstone, the team's leading sacker in 2002, has reached agreement on a three-year contract. The deal could be worth as much as $4.6 million, with incentives, and includes a $700,000 signing bonus. The first-year base salary is $655,000.
Later in the day, the Vikings added their second new cornerback in a week, reaching agreement with unrestricted free agent Ken Irvin, who played for the New Orleans Saints in 2002.
Irvin, 30, netted a three-year, $4.5 million contract that that includes a signing bonus of $1.2 million.
The Vikings concluded a busy day by reaching agreement with unrestricted free agent offensive tackle Mike Rosenthal on a two-year deal. Financial details of that contract were not immediately available.
Retaining Johnstone, a seven-year veteran who started all 16 games last season, was a key for the Vikings, whose offseason priority is upgrading the defense. A prototype "edge" rusher, Johnstone is the Vikings' best outside pass rush threat and he registered seven sacks in 2002.
Signed as an unrestricted free agent in 2001, he has 12½ sacks in his two seasons with the Vikings. Johnstone drew interest from several teams during the free agent period, but no one stepped up financially to the level that he was anticipating, and the Vikings remained dogged in their pursuit.
Minnesota coaches feel Johnson can still be a double-digit sack player.
Johnstone, 29, has 41½ career sacks to go with 290 tackles, a dozen forced fumbles, one interception and 15 pass deflections. While not particularly big, he possesses good quickness and plays the run better than most people think.
The former Temple star played the first five seasons of his career with the Oakland Raiders, who chose him in the second round of the 1996 draft, and he totaled 21 sacks for them in 1998-99.
Irvin chose the Vikings over the Detroit Lions, and also had interest from a few other teams as well. The eight-year veteran played the first seven years of his career with the Buffalo Bills, before signing with New Orleans as a free agent last spring.
His addition, along with that of free agent Denard Walker last week, should significantly upgrade the Minnesota cornerback corps. Given what transpires over the rest of free agency, and where the coaches decide to use versatile Corey Chavous, who can play safety or cornerback, Irvin could challenge for a starting job. At worst, he should be the "nickel" corner, a role that he has filled in the past.
The former University of Memphis standout started nine contests for the Saints in 2002 and appeared in all 16. He had 62 tackles, two interceptions and 17 passes defensed. For his career, he has appeared in 124 games and started 63 of them, and has nine interceptions and 63 pass breakups.
Rosenthal, 25, was a key acquisition for the Vikings, who have been seeking a starting right tackle so they can move Chris Liwienski to his more natural position of left guard. Minnesota failed to land Orlando Brown, their main target, last week and then turned its attention to Rosenthal.
A four-year veteran who has played his entire previous career with the New York Giants, the former Notre Dame star emerged as a solid performer in 2002, his first full season as a starter. After starting just nine games in his first three seasons, he started all 16 last year.
The signing of Elling, finally, was another indication the Vikings are looking for someone other than Gary Anderson to kick this season. New special teams coach Rusty Tillman scouted Elling last season when he was briefly with Seattle, and the Vikings are also excited about the potential of Todd France, currently playing in NFL Europe.
Tice said Elling, France and Hayden Epstein could compete for the job in training camp.
"Right now," Tice said, "it looks like we're leaning toward going into the season with a young kicker."
Extra points
• The Vikings' interest in receiver Oronde Gadsden was piqued when Cris Carter called Tice to recommend him. Carter played with Gadsden last season in Miami. "Cris told me he's one of the most quality character guys he's ever played with, and that he has some of the biggest hands around," Tice said. "I like big receivers [Gadsden is 6-2], and it's definitely worth a visit."
Gadsden was scheduled to arrive Thursday night in the Twin Cities.
• Linebacker Antonio Wilson, a fourth-round pick in 2000, signed with Houston.
Wow, the Vikes actually have 2 legitimate CB's? Say it aint so! I see we also signed Rosenthal(sp), that will solidify our O line. All we need now is another WR, DT and maybe a good DE. I look for a much improved Defense this coming year.
Signing Flurry Continues
By Viking Update Staff
Date: Mar 21, 2003
After a slow start, the Vikings turned up the heat Thursday with three signings that could change the look of the 2003 Vikings.`
The Vikings weren't the first team in the free agent pool and they weren't the biggest spenders. But, in the end, they may be one of the most improved teams when all is said and done.
The Vikings had a flurry of signings Friday, as one after another three veteran players came to terms.
First, the Vikings re-signed DE Lance Johnstone. While the team didn't release numbers on the deal, VU has been told it's a three-year contract worth $4.6 million with $700,000 up front.
Next, the Vikings finally cemented their offensive line by signing RT Mike Rosenthal of the Giants. While he was asking for more money to stay in New York, he accepted a two-year deal for $1.8 million that includes no signing bonus, but meetable playing incentives that could push the deal to $2.4 million.
Finally, the Vikings addressed their secondary problem by signing CB Ken Irvin of the Saints. His deal was three years, $4.5 million with $1.2 million up front. He is expected to battle for a starting job opposite Denard Walker and will allow the Vikings to move Corey Chavous to safety.
After a very slow start to free agency, the Vikings have finally become players in the game and it may not be over yet.
FRIDAY NOTES
The Vikes sign Adams, there is a good chance they could trade down with the Saints and get the linebacker and safety whom I spoke about earlier. Boss Bailey and Mike Doss. Their linebackers were shit outside of Biekert and Biekert is getting older, slowing down, and not so great in pass coverage. That's why the Raiders let him go in favor of their star rookie last year. Safety is another weakness. E.J. Henderson of Maryland is another stud linebacker available.
Just a diversion post from all the heavy news going on lately....
GO VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
That means Kennedy or Robertson if we don't trade down.
A few things. The latest CNNSI mock draft has the Vikings taking Kennedy. CNNSI predicts a few trades ahead of the Vikings, but the Vikings staying put. They had Newman going first, and Palmer going at like 5 or 6. It will be interesting to see where the quarterbacks and what trades happen.
Also, I really like the addition of Chris Claiborne. I didn't know we were looking at getting this guy, and now I read in the paper it looks like we've got him signed. That would be awesome. A good young linebacker can really help us. He's been with Detroit, so it's hard to say how good he really is. I guess we'll find out soon. But a great addition I think to the defense.
I like the Claiborne signing. I'm not at all surprised either. Their linebackers suck outside of Biekert.
Claiborne expected to bolster Vikings' defense
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By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
The Minnesota Vikings paid up and now they expect veteran linebacker Chris Claiborne, who late Monday night agreed to terms on a new two-year contract as an unrestricted free agent, to lighten up.
As the latest addition to a Minnesota defense that ranked 26th in the league in 2002, Claiborne has been penciled in as the starting strongside linebacker by the Vikings defensive staff. But now that the Vikings have paid up, with a deal that is worth $5 million and includes a $750,000 signing bonus, they also expect the former Detroit Lions starter to shape up.
"There is a big difference between a player and a playmaker," explained one Vikings coach. "We feel like (Claiborne) can be a playmaker and we will put him in position to make a difference for us. But if he's as (overweight) as he was last year, then he'll just be a player."
Lions coaches contend that Claiborne lined up in 2002 at nearly 270 pounds, about 12 pounds more than his usual playing weight. And while he totaled 101 tackles and a career-best 4 ½ sacks, the feeling in Detroit was that he was not as productive as he could be, one reason the Lions made so little effort to re-sign him this offseason.
Despite starting in all four previous NFL seasons, Claiborne won't turn 25 until early in his fifth training camp, and scouts agree that he possesses terrific upside potential. It is notable, however, that few teams pursued the former Southern California standout with big-money offers.
Of the elite pool of linebackers in this year's free agent class, he received the shortest contract, and the $2.5 million average was below the market value of most of the other top players at the position who switched teams. That is in part why he ended up in Minnesota, where the Vikings have plenty of cap room but are still exercising fiscal restraint, and where the club continues to try to revamp its defense.
Claiborne becomes the fourth new defender acquired through free agency, joining cornerbacks Denard Walker and Ken Irvin and tackle Billy Lyon. The Vikings also re-signed end Lance Johnstone, their leading sacker in '02, late last week. The team pursued Claiborne quietly and, before arriving in Minneapolis on Monday night after the agreement had been struck, he had not visited with coaches or teams officials.
New defensive coordinator George O'Leary will have more than his share of fresh faces with which to work.
The Lions' first-round choice in the 1999 draft, and the ninth player chosen overall that year, Claiborne began his career as a weakside linebacker. When middle linebacker Stephen Boyd was injured in 2001, Claiborne moved to the inside spot and remained there in 2002. The plans by Vikings coaches to play him on the strong side completes the circuit for the four-year veteran.
Claiborne has posted 100 or more tackles each of the past three seasons and has 391 for his career. His resume includes 10 ½ sacks, six interceptions and five forced fumbles. He has started in 58 of his 63 appearances and missed just one game in his four years with the Lions.
Well alright! We signed Claiborne! You mean the Vikes might actually have a half way decent D this year? It's about time!
Wolvie,
I needed a quick distraction so I popped over here.
What are your thoughts so far on how we are looking or addressing our needs ?
When was the last time we had a good "D". 94 or so ?
What are your thoughts so far on how we are looking or addressing our needs ?
If I had to grade what they have done so far I would give them a 'B'. Not really their fault that there is not a lot of "stud" FA out there. I think that they have not over spent on the ones they did grab. The secondary and the LB's should be muched improved (although it will not be hard to top the last couple of years). I see them taking a DT with their first pick in the draft and that the D will improve to about the middle of the pack.
When was the last time we had a good "D". 94 or so ?
How long has Dungy been gone? =) The only thing I do not understand is keeping Alexander on the roster. He did nothing for us at WR. I know he signed on this year at the vet min. salary but still, I think we could do better with a younger player that could benefit down the road. As of now I would say the Vikes have a good shot at being between 8-8 and 10-6 next year.
I'd take 10-6, it might be enough to win the central. We'll probably be the Pack's only competition this year in the central.
You're right, it wouldn't do much to improve the D. I think they'll get better. Really if you look at it one way we were pretty good against the run, our secondary was so poor though so the new guys should help.
Re: Alexander, I agree, however perhaps they can re-work him into a 3rd down guy, he does have pretty good hands. What's the news on Gadsden ?
The key to our D is going to be how fast they can gel together as a team. The first couple of games could look ugly, but they will come together over the year. Here is what I found out on Gadsen and Alexander....
I just read that Emmitt Smith has signed on with Arizona. I hope he does well there.
One more news item, the NFL will keep its sudden death OT format. All I can say is good! I like it that way.
Where does Bates fit in if they are after both Gadsen and Alexander?
I think I read somewhere that the reason they are thinking of retaining Alexander is that he seems to perform better in the second year he's with a team. So his second year in the league was better than his first. Then he switches teams, and his second year with that new team is better than the first.
As for their defense, I would give it a B. They are working hard to address it. They've added secondary depth. They've added some depth to their DL with the signing of Lyon. D line depth is key, and if they can address that and their secondary depth more in the draft, even better. They've even addressed linebacker. They aren't focusing really one one aspect, but all aspects. I think the big signing, potentially, is Claiborne. He has the physical gifts it seems. He was in Detroit, which wasn't the greatest of situations for a player. A change of scenery for him could REALLY benefit him, and in turn benefit us. That's what I'm hoping for at least.
While VU is being told that the Vikings are confident one or more of the four defensive players they want at No. 7 -- DTs Jimmy Kennedy and Dwayne Robertson, DE Terrell Suggs and CB Terence Newman -- will be on the board when they hit the clock, Red McCombs could be the sticking point. McCombs, who is still the subject of constant rumors about the selling the team,has expressed an unwillingness to hand over another $10 million signing bonus like the one given to Bryant McKinnie. If that happens, either another long holdout will occur or the Vikings will have to go in a different direction.
A very solid Saints source has told VU that the Saints and Vikes have had preliminary talks about trading the No. 7 pick to New Orleans in exchange for two picks in the first round from the Saints -- Nos. 17-18 in the draft.
In addition, VU has been told that the Jets are looking to get into the top seven or eight picks and have targeted the Vikings and Cowboys as the two most likely scenarios to trade their two first round picks -- Nos. 13 and 22.
While any trades will likely be contingent on who is off the board by the sixth pick, the fact the Vikings are talking and leaving the lines of communication open is a promising sign for fans looking to stockpile picks in the early rounds of next month's draft.
I would rather see the Vikes keep the #7 pick and get a blue chip player, but trading down to get 2 first round picks is pretty damn good too. Any thoughts on this?
If the Vikings can get a real impact player with the #7 pick, I'd say keep that. But they could add some good quality players and depth by having two first round draft picks. Sounds like there's a good number of defensive tackles, so they could still get a good quality one later in the first round. They also could address other defensive needs. Maybe two d-linemen. Maybe a linebacker (Boss Bailey?). Maybe a defensive back (Marcus Trufant?) Heck, maybe if the teams are desperate enough, perhaps we can get into a bidding war and get more from a team, like another later round pick.
I think they should trade down. More picks to fill more needs. I don't want another first round hold out.
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Pretty good show!!
Pfffffffffffffffftttttt! LOL
Almost time for the NFL Draft.
3 and a half weeks away!
Culpepper On Hold?
By Viking Update Staff
Date: Mar 31, 2003
With free agency expected to slow to a crawl, some have speculated that Daunte Culpepper would be next in line for a pay day if the Vikings were to turn their attention to signing him long-term. However, VU has been told that, until the ownership question is decided by Red McCombs, the matter is moot at this time.
It happens every April -- after a flurry of free agent activity, signings slow to almost a complete stop as teams gear up for the April 26-27 college draft. Some felt this would be a time for the contract people with the Vikings to try to work out a contract extension with Daunte Culpepper. But VU has been told that, while talks may continue, the ownership of Red McCombs could be a sticking point.
For several months, rumors of McCombs' interest in selling the Vikings have circulated. One of the reasons many media outlets believed McCombs was in a hurry to sell the club was due to big signing bonus money owed Randy Moss and Bryant McKinnie. It is expected that if Culpepper was to sign a long-term extension, he would be due a signing bonus in the $12-15 million range -- which some speculate is more than McCombs wants to turn over at the moment if indeed he is looking to sell the team.
The timing would be right to work out a deal with Culpepper, since the Vikings are still $16.3 million under the current salary cap, according to a team source. The cap hit for a Culpepper signing bonus could be incorporated into this year's cap, thus reducing the total signing bonus pro-rated portion in future years.
While McCombs remains consistent in his belief that Culpepper will be the long-term QB of the Vikings, the bigger question may be asked if McCombs will be the long-term owner? If the answer is yes, talks to get Culpepper a new deal in the next month will progress. If the answer is no or maybe, the Vikings and Culpepper may have to put contract talks on hold.
MONDAY NOTES
Pfffffffffffffffftttttt! LOL
Like you couldn't see Culpepper doing the same shit in a few years. It almost could of happened this year for that matter.
If he goes a solid 1-2 ('02,03), they can use my boot to get rid of him.
signing bonus in the $12-15 million range
? Pahleeze, when was this figure justified? It sure wasn't recently.
That was Viking Update talking. Not me. I'm not that high on Culpepper myself.
March 31, 2003
The Vikings expect RB Michael Bennett to have a 100 percent recovery from the fractured left foot he suffered March 24 at the team’s practice facility in Winter Park, Minn., but head coach Mike Tice might be forced to get some insurance in case his Pro Bowl back doesn’t make it all the way back. Bennett, who rushed for 1,296 yards in 2002, is a speed back who thrives on big-play ability. The hairline fracture of the fifth metatarsal could subtract some of that suddenness, which would make him a substantially less effective runner. The Vikings re-signed Moe Williams, but he is more of a short-yardage back and special-teams guy than a featured back. There is no other proven runner on the roster, which could force the team to use a pick for insurance because QB Daunte Culpepper hasn’t been successful when put in situations where he has to make every play. The one thing that could save the Vikings is Bennett’s foot ought to be about 75 percent recovered by Draft Day if the injury heals as expected. If he’s on schedule, Minnesota would trust that he will make it all the way back.