More than Goering or Hitler, I find stark and striking resemblance and parallels between little boy bush and Osama Bin laden.
They both have absolute belief in their faith and it guides and permeates every aspect of their thought process.
They both wear their religion on their sleeve and constantly invoke it.
They both believe that their convictions fuelled by their religiosity are infallible and sacrosanct and have divine sanction.
They both believe they are right and every body else is wrong.
They both believe in violence and also justify it in the name of religion and their value system.
They both unleash their armies on the innocent and guiltless to instill fear and loathing.
They both conscript others to die in order to propagate their beliefs and consider human life expendable as far as their purpose is being served.
OBL and little boy bush are peas in a pod – Satanic embodiments under delusion that they are pristine but who in reality are purveyors of hate, mayhem and unparalleled horror.
If I had the power and the muscle behind me, I would say that anywhere. And the ignoramuses in this country will meekly listen and perhaps even give me an award
Get a load of this ( from the NYT)
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia banned broadcast media from an appearance Wednesday where he will receive an award for supporting free speech.
The City Club usually tapes speakers for later broadcast on public television, but Scalia insisted on banning television and radio coverage, the club said. Scalia is being given the organization's Citadel of Free Speech Award.
``I might wish it were otherwise, but that was one of the criteria that he had for acceptance,'' said James Foster, the club's executive director.
The ban on broadcast media, ``begs disbelief and seems to be in conflict with the award itself,'' C-SPAN vice president and executive producer Terry Murphy wrote in a letter last week to the City Club. ``How free is speech if there are limits to its distribution?''
Alas - I already have a first-born. If I was to father another one now ( to quelch the stereotype of the breeding Indians, I also got a vasectomy ), I would name him Osama .
Osama bin Laden hovers over events in the Gulf as he hovered over Mr Blair’s dispatch box. History will surely rate this stateless psychopath as potent beyond all imaginings. He did not just kill 3,000 people. His single act entered so deep into US psychology as to traumatise its sense of security and well-being. He devastated the economy of a city, New York, and a whole country. He turned Americans in on themselves, fortifying their houses, buying gas masks, fearing dark-skinned foreigners and screaming at the sight of powder. He bankrupted their airline companies. He emptied their office blocks. He made them suspend habeas corpus.
Bin Laden incited one war, of America against Afghanistan. He licensed another, the revived Palestinian suicide intifada and thus Israeli retaliation. He fuelled fundamentalist dissent in Egypt, Pakistan and Turkey. He made every American and Briton in the Middle East fear for his life.
Alas - I already have a first-born. If I was to father another one now ( to quelch the stereotype of the breeding Indians, I also got a vasectomy ), I would name him Osama .
You're right Rick, I should be more sensative to someone who admires Osama enough to want to name a son after him. Silly me, must have been all that coffee that made me so insensitive to his views.
As the Bush administration drives toward war in Iraq, resentment and hostility are building toward America in general and Mr. Bush in particular, a new poll has found.
Most of America's major European allies and Russia view the United States unfavorably, and overwhelmingly disapprove of the way President Bush is handling United States foreign policy, according to a nine-country survey released on Tuesday by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.
The poll was conducted within the last week in Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Russia, Turkey, and the United States. In most instances, it offered a glimpse of hardening, increasingly negative views of the United States, as compared to surveys from last year and 2001.
The survey lends empirical support to critics who say the Bush administration has squandered an outpouring of goodwill and sympathy among American allies and partners in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Am concerned, apprehensive and resigned to the fact that the US mainstream media will muzzle, suppress, hold back, sanitize, bend to vested interests, pander to commercial interests the reality of war as it unfolds in the plains of Mesopotamia.
I peruse news sources from all over the globe on-line. Will heed European news outlets and evaluate their stories with more confidence than CNN, MSNBC. Indian papers merely regurgitate what their Western counterparts say – mere delayed vomit.
If any of you have interesting links to news sources please provide links. I will evaluate them.
As a beginning – came across this blog – and it is from Iraq. A blogger from Iraq??
Seems that the Iraqi's gave us a window of opportunity by assembling some top officials for a meeting. Nothing is confirmed as yet, but it is thought that Saddam's two sons were there and a chance that he was also. Too much to pass up. This is the beginning of "Operation screw you Daschle" or was it "Operation When We Win, You Get to Keep France"?
I admit the comparison to Goerring was too much. But in the way that Bush has convinced the country that we need to go to war, he is using Goerring's strategy. Actually probably Bush's advisors are using the stratedgy, and Bush is stupid enough to buy it, and then passes it on to the sheep.
They both have absolute belief in their faith and it guides and permeates every aspect of their thought process.
They both wear their religion on their sleeve and constantly invoke it.
They both believe that their convictions fuelled by their religiosity are infallible and sacrosanct and have divine sanction.
They both believe they are right and every body else is wrong.
They both believe in violence and also justify it in the name of religion and their value system.
This is the single thing that upsets me the most, by far. I am a practicing and active United Methodist. George Bush claims the same denomination, which is fine by me, until he starts bringing God into his speaches and his beliefs. Let me say that his ideology is the opposite of the United Methodist Churches official view on many subjects including the war with Iraq.
They have had a lot of dealings with Iraq and a lot of those seem illegal or in violation of U.N. Sanctions. Is it possible they are a little afraid of what ew might find after we go in?
uh...we sold them all the weapons of mass destruction.
Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.
Classified US Defence Dep-artment documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.
The Senate committee's rep orts on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.
One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.
The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.
The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programmes.'
This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chem ical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.
Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee, said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licences issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programmes.'
They have had a lot of dealings with Iraq and a lot of those seem illegal or in violation of U.N. Sanctions. Is it possible they are a little afraid of what ew might find after we go in?
h...we sold them all the weapons of mass destruction.
Do you have some links to that article? Who sold them Nuclear technology ? Hint, it rhymes with dance. Whom gave them their delivery systems ?
So because we were allies once apparently you void any argumnet in the future ? Well let's see, we were allied with China once, Russia as well enemies and allies now again. The same was said of Afghanistan. It's about the lamest argument out there. I'm sure 20 years ago though they had the vision to see a revolution in Iran and the fall of communism, what visionaries.
Actually probably Bush's advisors are using the stratedgy, and Bush is stupid enough to buy it, and then passes it on to the sheep.
You're right Tim, 2/3 of the nation are just sheep. You're the only one who is correct. Everyone who is in favor of taking action are just sheep who didn't arrive on that decision on their own. Bush has em all hypnotized I tell ya'. It's kind of like when you came in here the other day and asked a question posed to warmongers, then you said you weren't generalizing. Did you think somoeone would say, hey he must be talking to me I'm a warmonger ?
To add to what Bill said just an FYI for you. Herman Goerring was in charge of the Luftwaffe. (German Airforce). But hey, it's close and he's damn near just like our president.
When does denial of nuclear technology of any type severly the quality of life of the people in the country?
Well first of all a nation LOADED with oil isn't exactly a prime candidate for nuclear power, they got tons of it.
North Korea can easily blame the United States, for cold buildings and spotty electrical power, which they have in abundance.
You're right, It's our fault they lied and broke the treaty. I'm sure they do blame us though.
Nuclear equipment is used for other things besides refining weaponry.
Absolutely but it's the easiest way to produce what you need to build a nuclear bomb. That's why Israel bombed the plant in Iraq. And that's why N.Korea is taking the locks off the doors.
Press Releases     FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: March 19, 2003 Contact: Aziz Al-Taee
Iraqi-Americans Appeal for Solidarity as They Pray for Liberation of Iraq
The Iraqi people and the young men and women of coalition forces are in the prayers of all Iraqi-Americans, who are praying for a just and speedy outcome to the military conflict in Iraq.
We urge all Iraqi military personnel To put down their arms and not to fight for a dying regime that has oppressed the Iraqi people for 34 years, Not to use weapons of mass destruction against either coalition forces or the Iraqi people, and To side with the will of the Iraqi people, which is for liberation.
Iraqi-Americans fully support President Bush’s commitment to secure disarmament in Iraq and to oust the dictator Saddam Hussein. Iraqi-Americans are grateful for the President’s efforts to liberate the Iraqi people from 34 years of Saddam’s holocaust that resulted in the deaths of more than 2 million innocent Iraqi people and sent another 6 million into exile.
Iraqi-Americans, who are an integral part of American society, fully resent the fact that Saddam Hussein is imposing a war by refusing to go into exile. This reckless conduct is consistent with his pattern of criminal behavior and warmongering, with a blatant disregard for the safety and welfare of the Iraqi people and Iraq’s resources. In the process, he is deliberately putting into jeopardy future generations of Iraqis.
This war is not about Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives. It is not about oil. It is not about the conflicts between Muslims and Christians or about Palestinians and Israelis. It is about protecting the peoples of the world from the terrorists being harbored and financed by Saddam Hussein. It is about liberating the Iraqi people from the suffering caused by UN sanctions and the relentless oppression of Saddam’s regime.
Just as our young men and women in the armed forces, including Iraqi-Americans, have pledged their lives to protect our freedoms, Americans stateside should not fail our troops by perpetuating ethnic profiling and the loss of civil liberties at home. Iraqi-Americans stand at the forefront of defending any ethnic group from unjust discrimination and persecution. In these trying times, we urge government officials to exercise the utmost restraint in implementing homeland security measures. We want to cooperate fully with government officials in their outreach campaign and their efforts to protect all Americans.
Does anyone think that maybe "shock and awe" may be one of the biggest bluffs in history? Or are we just waiting to see if the Iraq Generals or someone else turns on Saddam?
I think we'll do it. I also think though that they'll give Iraq a chance to either surrender or turn on itself from the inside. I think it's smart. Limited military action to accomplish the goal. We'll see though.
Alot of it is probably probing actions right now. The units that are forward right now probably moved up enough to give effective support to the recon :) units of the Marines :). They do so in case contact is made that turns into heavy action. There are alot of mines to be cleared after they establish where the enemy is. Once that's done the floodgates will open. Plus as TMK pointed out it gives us some time to see what the Iraqis will do. So it's very smart to do some recon and have all your ducks in a row before it's go time.
I find it extremely difficult to shed crocodile tears, commiserate in the pain , empathize, and sympathize with the American troops as we are endlessly exhorted to do. Jingoistic nationalism of the kind coerced on its citizenry by the Soviets, Nazis and Kim’s.
Consider the resources expended on the US fighting man. From protective gear, to accessories to safety considerations to efficacious weapons – the best brains in the land exert themselves in providing the US armed forces with the crème de la crème. Tanks are designed with firepower but also protection of those within. Night vision goggles, footgear and apparel made of exclusive materials and even rations that are palatable and perhaps even tasty. The training provided is par excellence. The aircraft are equipped with the most sophisticated of protection and ejection devices. The aircraft control systems and weapons guidance systems – some of the design I have contributed to – are cutting edge technology.
The effort, expense and dedication invested in order to churn out a perfect killing machine in human form are unparalleled.
They are all volunteer, they have been superbly trained and equipped – time they began giving us a return on our investment.
The piss poor cowering civilians who are the target of this efficacious murder machine have no choice. They have been spat upon, ratted on and shat upon by their leaders and have resigned themselves to this life of servitude and as a pawn for the power brokers. Pity is due but their lot is one of misery, pain and anguish – with a leap from the frying pan into the fire and then into hell.
It is the citizenry within the US that need all the sympathy. They are led like lemmings into situations that can only bring them catastrophe. They are promised a rose garden but are led into a sewer. The false sense of security y is belied by the reality of international antagonism and hatred from all corners of the world. Fear and loathing of the US establishment gets translated into internecine slaughter of innocent American civilians.
More than our armed troops or the desperate Iraqis, I am the one deserving of universal sympathy.
I find it extremely difficult to shed crocodile tears, commiserate in the pain , empathize, and sympathize with the American troops as we are endlessly exhorted to do.
I have no doubt you have trouble doing that.
More than our armed troops or the desperate Iraqis, I am the one deserving of universal sympathy.
Poor poor Naradar, poor repressed Naradar. There, feel better. I have no sympathy for you but I do pity you anyone that filled with cynicism and hate deserves some pity.
The piss poor cowering civilians who are the target of this efficacious murder machine have no choice.
I don't know what you have been smoking, but these are the people we are there to help, not target. Nothing is gained by targeting the civilians. A lot is gained by targeting Saddam and his group.
Got spam email this morning from a guy named Nick Raleigh with the Minnesota Green Party. Don't know how he got my name. But his e-mail address starts with the word "fiddler." A Green Party organizer would take that kinda pride in his fiddle playing.
He is up on International Law, too,
Quoting here: Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and international law.
<close quote>
In addition to everything else, Bush has to worry about the Minnesota Green Party. Theyre on to his shenanigans.
U.S. Patriot missiles knocked two Iraqi missiles out of the sky on Thursday, hours after two others landed without injury near the U.S. forces' main logistics center in the Kuwaiti desert, the military said.
U.S. and Kuwaiti sources initially reported all the missiles as Scuds, but the Pentagon later said it believes they were al Samouds or some other type of missile.
Thursday morning, March 20, the Iraqi military moved onto the offensive against the allied troop buildup on the Kuwait-Iraqi frontier and Kuwait itself. They loosed a barrage of artillery prompting an exchange of heavy fire. As the shells fell, coalition troops were ordered to don their bio-chemical protective suits. At 11.00 the first two missiles were lobbed into northern Kuwait, followed by another two. At least two of the four were Scuds- one or two of which were shot down by US Patriot anti-missile batteries, as the sound of explosions heard in Kuwait City set off alarm sirens. There were no initial reports of unconventional warheads or casualties from the missile salvo.
Dead or in exile or hiding as long as he's out of power. Dead would be prefferable but I wouldn't mind seeing him in court. It's possible too that his own people will pull a Mussolini on him and hang him in downtown Bagdhahd. Either way, he's done.
Green Party hack: Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and international law.
<close quote>
It's a beautiful thing. :)
More than Goering or Hitler, I find stark and striking resemblance and parallels between little boy bush and Osama Bin laden.
They both have absolute belief in their faith and it guides and permeates every aspect of their thought process.
They both wear their religion on their sleeve and constantly invoke it.
They both believe that their convictions fuelled by their religiosity are infallible and sacrosanct and have divine sanction.
They both believe they are right and every body else is wrong.
They both believe in violence and also justify it in the name of religion and their value system.
They both unleash their armies on the innocent and guiltless to instill fear and loathing.
They both conscript others to die in order to propagate their beliefs and consider human life expendable as far as their purpose is being served.
OBL and little boy bush are peas in a pod – Satanic embodiments under delusion that they are pristine but who in reality are purveyors of hate, mayhem and unparalleled horror.
But would you say that to a barful of Texans, Naradar?
I'd go all the way to Houston to see that!
Your list is ludicrous but a few stand out as being funny as hell.
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You're just like them Naradar !
If I had the power and the muscle behind me, I would say that anywhere. And the ignoramuses in this country will meekly listen and perhaps even give me an award
Get a load of this ( from the NYT)
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia banned broadcast media from an appearance Wednesday where he will receive an award for supporting free speech.
The City Club usually tapes speakers for later broadcast on public television, but Scalia insisted on banning television and radio coverage, the club said. Scalia is being given the organization's Citadel of Free Speech Award.
``I might wish it were otherwise, but that was one of the criteria that he had for acceptance,'' said James Foster, the club's executive director.
The ban on broadcast media, ``begs disbelief and seems to be in conflict with the award itself,'' C-SPAN vice president and executive producer Terry Murphy wrote in a letter last week to the City Club. ``How free is speech if there are limits to its distribution?''
Go figure.
``begs disbelief and seems to be in conflict with the award itself,''
Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.
Alas - I already have a first-born. If I was to father another one now ( to quelch the stereotype of the breeding Indians, I also got a vasectomy ), I would name him Osama .
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-615675,00.html
Osama bin Laden hovers over events in the Gulf as he hovered over Mr Blair’s dispatch box. History will surely rate this stateless psychopath as potent beyond all imaginings. He did not just kill 3,000 people. His single act entered so deep into US psychology as to traumatise its sense of security and well-being. He devastated the economy of a city, New York, and a whole country. He turned Americans in on themselves, fortifying their houses, buying gas masks, fearing dark-skinned foreigners and screaming at the sight of powder. He bankrupted their airline companies. He emptied their office blocks. He made them suspend habeas corpus.
Bin Laden incited one war, of America against Afghanistan. He licensed another, the revived Palestinian suicide intifada and thus Israeli retaliation. He fuelled fundamentalist dissent in Egypt, Pakistan and Turkey. He made every American and Briton in the Middle East fear for his life.
good read from - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-615675,00.html
And if I had a dog I'd name him Naradar.
Now, now you two....
L2f - thanks for the compliment old chap.
My dog is called Gandhi - in admiration.
You're right Rick, I should be more sensative to someone who admires Osama enough to want to name a son after him. Silly me, must have been all that coffee that made me so insensitive to his views.
He's just jerking your chain, Rob.
Employing his own reasoning, if Naradar admired Osama bin Laden, he'd have to admire George Bush just as much,
LOL, true. :)
L2F - read and weep.
Americans are the dregs – Caucasians think so. Conjecture the feelings of our other humans
As the Bush administration drives toward war in Iraq, resentment and hostility are building toward America in general and Mr. Bush in particular, a new poll has found.
Most of America's major European allies and Russia view the United States unfavorably, and overwhelmingly disapprove of the way President Bush is handling United States foreign policy, according to a nine-country survey released on Tuesday by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.
The poll was conducted within the last week in Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Russia, Turkey, and the United States. In most instances, it offered a glimpse of hardening, increasingly negative views of the United States, as compared to surveys from last year and 2001.
The survey lends empirical support to critics who say the Bush administration has squandered an outpouring of goodwill and sympathy among American allies and partners in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Darn, I was so hoping on France and Germany's help too. Shucks.
Am concerned, apprehensive and resigned to the fact that the US mainstream media will muzzle, suppress, hold back, sanitize, bend to vested interests, pander to commercial interests the reality of war as it unfolds in the plains of Mesopotamia.
I peruse news sources from all over the globe on-line. Will heed European news outlets and evaluate their stories with more confidence than CNN, MSNBC. Indian papers merely regurgitate what their Western counterparts say – mere delayed vomit.
If any of you have interesting links to news sources please provide links. I will evaluate them.
As a beginning – came across this blog – and it is from Iraq.
A blogger from Iraq??
Take it with a pinch or mountain of salt.
Take it with a pinch or mountain of salt.
Kinda like what we do with you?
It has officially began. President Bush to address the nation at 9:15 our time.
Just saw it and hopped on for a second.
At this point all we can hope for is a quick end with the least amount of life lost on both sides.
Godspeed to the troops.
For this 1400 JOE...
Seems that the Iraqi's gave us a window of opportunity by assembling some top officials for a meeting. Nothing is confirmed as yet, but it is thought that Saddam's two sons were there and a chance that he was also. Too much to pass up. This is the beginning of "Operation screw you Daschle" or was it "Operation When We Win, You Get to Keep France"?
satellite video of our first attack.
I admit the comparison to Goerring was too much. But in the way that Bush has convinced the country that we need to go to war, he is using Goerring's strategy. Actually probably Bush's advisors are using the stratedgy, and Bush is stupid enough to buy it, and then passes it on to the sheep.
They both have absolute belief in their faith and it guides and permeates every aspect of their thought process.
They both wear their religion on their sleeve and constantly invoke it.
They both believe that their convictions fuelled by their religiosity are infallible and sacrosanct and have divine sanction.
They both believe they are right and every body else is wrong.
They both believe in violence and also justify it in the name of religion and their value system.
This is the single thing that upsets me the most, by far. I am a practicing and active United Methodist. George Bush claims the same denomination, which is fine by me, until he starts bringing God into his speaches and his beliefs. Let me say that his ideology is the opposite of the United Methodist Churches official view on many subjects including the war with Iraq.
uh...we sold them all the weapons of mass destruction.
Looks like Iraq is using those Scud missles that they "don't" have on Kuwait today.
Crabby,
They have had a lot of dealings with Iraq and a lot of those seem illegal or in violation of U.N. Sanctions. Is it possible they are a little afraid of what ew might find after we go in?
Do you have some links to that article? Who sold them Nuclear technology ? Hint, it rhymes with dance. Whom gave them their delivery systems ?
So because we were allies once apparently you void any argumnet in the future ? Well let's see, we were allied with China once, Russia as well enemies and allies now again. The same was said of Afghanistan. It's about the lamest argument out there. I'm sure 20 years ago though they had the vision to see a revolution in Iran and the fall of communism, what visionaries.
Tim,
You're right Tim, 2/3 of the nation are just sheep. You're the only one who is correct. Everyone who is in favor of taking action are just sheep who didn't arrive on that decision on their own. Bush has em all hypnotized I tell ya'. It's kind of like when you came in here the other day and asked a question posed to warmongers, then you said you weren't generalizing. Did you think somoeone would say, hey he must be talking to me I'm a warmonger ?
To add to what Bill said just an FYI for you. Herman Goerring was in charge of the Luftwaffe. (German Airforce). But hey, it's close and he's damn near just like our president.
When does denial of nuclear technology of any type severly the quality of life of the people in the country?
North Korea can easily blame the United States, for cold buildings and spotty electrical power, which they have in abundance.
Nuclear equipment is used for other things besides refining weaponry.
Rob:
I think Tim said he was 17 years old. Didn't you know everything at that age? I sure did.
You know the answers, now. Tim. Wait a couple decades, and you won't even understand the questions.
Well first of all a nation LOADED with oil isn't exactly a prime candidate for nuclear power, they got tons of it.
You're right, It's our fault they lied and broke the treaty. I'm sure they do blame us though.
Absolutely but it's the easiest way to produce what you need to build a nuclear bomb. That's why Israel bombed the plant in Iraq. And that's why N.Korea is taking the locks off the doors.
Rick 3/20/03 1:58pm
True.
Press Releases
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: March 19, 2003
Contact: Aziz Al-Taee
Iraqi-Americans Appeal for Solidarity as They Pray for Liberation of Iraq
The Iraqi people and the young men and women of coalition forces are in the prayers of all Iraqi-Americans, who are praying for a just and speedy outcome to the military conflict in Iraq.
We urge all Iraqi military personnel
To put down their arms and not to fight for a dying regime that has oppressed the Iraqi people for 34 years, Not to use weapons of mass destruction against either coalition forces or the Iraqi people, and To side with the will of the Iraqi people, which is for liberation.
Iraqi-Americans fully support President Bush’s commitment to secure disarmament in Iraq and to oust the dictator Saddam Hussein. Iraqi-Americans are grateful for the President’s efforts to liberate the Iraqi people from 34 years of Saddam’s holocaust that resulted in the deaths of more than 2 million innocent Iraqi people and sent another 6 million into exile.
Iraqi-Americans, who are an integral part of American society, fully resent the fact that Saddam Hussein is imposing a war by refusing to go into exile. This reckless conduct is consistent with his pattern of criminal behavior and warmongering, with a blatant disregard for the safety and welfare of the Iraqi people and Iraq’s resources. In the process, he is deliberately putting into jeopardy future generations of Iraqis.
This war is not about Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives. It is not about oil. It is not about the conflicts between Muslims and Christians or about Palestinians and Israelis. It is about protecting the peoples of the world from the terrorists being harbored and financed by Saddam Hussein. It is about liberating the Iraqi people from the suffering caused by UN sanctions and the relentless oppression of Saddam’s regime.
Just as our young men and women in the armed forces, including Iraqi-Americans, have pledged their lives to protect our freedoms, Americans stateside should not fail our troops by perpetuating ethnic profiling and the loss of civil liberties at home. Iraqi-Americans stand at the forefront of defending any ethnic group from unjust discrimination and persecution. In these trying times, we urge government officials to exercise the utmost restraint in implementing homeland security measures. We want to cooperate fully with government officials in their outreach campaign and their efforts to protect all Americans.
http://www.iraqiamericans.com/pr/2003/m19-2003.asp
Looks like Iraq is using those Scud missles that they "don't" have on Kuwait today.
As well as the banned Al Samoud missile.
<sarcasm>But it does appear that he is finally destroying them.
</sarcasm>
In other news, it now appears that our unilateral stance on this war has now grown to 40 countries in the coalition of the willing.
Does anyone think that maybe "shock and awe" may be one of the biggest bluffs in history? Or are we just waiting to see if the Iraq Generals or someone else turns on Saddam?
I think we are waiting for someone to turn.
I think we'll do it. I also think though that they'll give Iraq a chance to either surrender or turn on itself from the inside. I think it's smart. Limited military action to accomplish the goal. We'll see though.
Wolvie 3/20/03 3:53pm
Alot of it is probably probing actions right now. The units that are forward right now probably moved up enough to give effective support to the recon :) units of the Marines :). They do so in case contact is made that turns into heavy action. There are alot of mines to be cleared after they establish where the enemy is. Once that's done the floodgates will open. Plus as TMK pointed out it gives us some time to see what the Iraqis will do. So it's very smart to do some recon and have all your ducks in a row before it's go time.
I find it extremely difficult to shed crocodile tears, commiserate in the pain , empathize, and sympathize with the American troops as we are endlessly exhorted to do. Jingoistic nationalism of the kind coerced on its citizenry by the Soviets, Nazis and Kim’s.
Consider the resources expended on the US fighting man. From protective gear, to accessories to safety considerations to efficacious weapons – the best brains in the land exert themselves in providing the US armed forces with the crème de la crème. Tanks are designed with firepower but also protection of those within. Night vision goggles, footgear and apparel made of exclusive materials and even rations that are palatable and perhaps even tasty. The training provided is par excellence. The aircraft are equipped with the most sophisticated of protection and ejection devices. The aircraft control systems and weapons guidance systems – some of the design I have contributed to – are cutting edge technology.
The effort, expense and dedication invested in order to churn out a perfect killing machine in human form are unparalleled.
They are all volunteer, they have been superbly trained and equipped – time they began giving us a return on our investment.
The piss poor cowering civilians who are the target of this efficacious murder machine have no choice. They have been spat upon, ratted on and shat upon by their leaders and have resigned themselves to this life of servitude and as a pawn for the power brokers. Pity is due but their lot is one of misery, pain and anguish – with a leap from the frying pan into the fire and then into hell.
It is the citizenry within the US that need all the sympathy. They are led like lemmings into situations that can only bring them catastrophe. They are promised a rose garden but are led into a sewer. The false sense of security y is belied by the reality of international antagonism and hatred from all corners of the world. Fear and loathing of the US establishment gets translated into internecine slaughter of innocent American civilians.
More than our armed troops or the desperate Iraqis, I am the one deserving of universal sympathy.
I have no doubt you have trouble doing that.
Poor poor Naradar, poor repressed Naradar. There, feel better. I have no sympathy for you but I do pity you anyone that filled with cynicism and hate deserves some pity.
The piss poor cowering civilians who are the target of this efficacious murder machine have no choice.
I don't know what you have been smoking, but these are the people we are there to help, not target. Nothing is gained by targeting the civilians. A lot is gained by targeting Saddam and his group.
Ding dong saddam is dead oh yes hes dead oh yes hes dead....
Yah, well between Camaroon and Poland, there might be 15 actual humans going into the theatre, outside of the ALL British/American forces.
What was there in the first gulf war? How about when we were after Milosovich (sp?)
So, ya'll think Saddam is dead?
Think that it was him on TV the other night?
I wonder
We can only hope he is dead. And they fired scuds I thought Hans Blix said they did not have any of those?
Nope, no scuds here.
So, ya'll think Saddam is dead?
Think that it was him on TV the other night?
I wonder
It could have been taped earlier.
Got spam email this morning from a guy named Nick Raleigh with the Minnesota Green Party. Don't know how he got my name. But his e-mail address starts with the word "fiddler." A Green Party organizer would take that kinda pride in his fiddle playing.
He is up on International Law, too,
Quoting here: Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and
international law.
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In addition to everything else, Bush has to worry about the Minnesota Green Party. Theyre on to his shenanigans.
They are speaking the truth to power!
And when Bush gets some time, he's going to have a word with Sen. Smoothy
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before you get caught up in knots in all the disinformation -
And they fired scuds I thought Hans Blix said they did not have any of those?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/20/sprj.irq.kuwait.rockets/index.html
U.S. Patriot missiles knocked two Iraqi missiles out of the sky on Thursday, hours after two others landed without injury near the U.S. forces' main logistics center in the Kuwaiti desert, the military said.
U.S. and Kuwaiti sources initially reported all the missiles as Scuds, but the Pentagon later said it believes they were al Samouds or some other type of missile.
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Thursday morning, March 20, the Iraqi military moved onto the offensive against the allied troop buildup on the Kuwait-Iraqi frontier and Kuwait itself. They loosed a barrage of artillery prompting an exchange of heavy fire. As the shells fell, coalition troops were ordered to don their bio-chemical protective suits. At 11.00 the first two missiles were lobbed into northern Kuwait, followed by another two. At least two of the four were Scuds- one or two of which were shot down by US Patriot anti-missile batteries, as the sound of explosions heard in Kuwait City set off alarm sirens. There were no initial reports of unconventional warheads or casualties from the missile salvo.
Dead or in exile or hiding as long as he's out of power. Dead would be prefferable but I wouldn't mind seeing him in court. It's possible too that his own people will pull a Mussolini on him and hang him in downtown Bagdhahd. Either way, he's done.
Green Party hack: Pledging to maintain protests and other nonviolent action, Greens called the invasion a war of conquest and warned that President Bush and White House officials may find themselves indicted for numerous violations of U.S. and international law.
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Yeah, right. I hope you don't believe that.
Whee, we get to see "shock and awe" today! Pass the popcorn.