Specifically, the study--"Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs"--found that there are five-times more white drug users than black ones, but African-Americans are imprisoned at many times the rate of whites. The greatest disparity is in Illinois, where blacks are imprisoned for selling or using drugs at 57 times the rate of whites, and where African-Americans comprise 90 percent of the inmates imprisoned for drugs. "Black and white drug offenders get radically different treatment in the American justice system," said the group's executive director Ken Roth at a news conference outlining the study's conclusions. "This is not only profoundly unfair to blacks, it also corrodes the American ideal of equal justice for all."
so does the enforcement of the law being racist automatically make the law itself racist?
historically, that was it's intent (along with squashing free enterprise in order to protect certain businesses from competition)...and it's still it's overwhelming application.
yes.
the law itself was originally intended to be used to criminalize minorities (and squash free enterprise unfairly)...and according to the numbers, it still is.
I've looked. The laws aren't racist. Do you want me to say it again?
say it all you like, it won't change these facts...
According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.
it's racist, pure and simple
if you would like to present some factsthat show otherwise, feel free.
So in Crabby's mind, you shouldn't go to prison for drugs because you are black
it's not in my mind...the facts show that if you are black and use drugs, you stand a MUCH better chance of being imprisoned for it than if you are white and use drugs. In my mind, you shouldn't go to prison for doing drugs no matter what color you are.
now, if that's okay with you, just say so, but don't pretend it's not racism.
According to the US Dept. of Justice, in the United States in 2000 the incarceration rate overall was 690 inmates per 100,000 US residents...for African-American men, the rate was 4,848 per 100,000...and for white men, the rate was 705 per 100,000.
me: How can you say you would be fine with prohibiting tobacco and alcohol? Do you two honestly not recognize the historical lesson from the first Prohibition?
THX: Again I offer abortion as an example. Sure, they still happened when they were illegal, but not nearly in the numbers now that they are legal.
THX, I wasn't looking for an example, particularly not one so utterly unrelated to the subject at hand. I gave you an example: alcohol Prohibition -- a vibrant and well-documented episode in our nation's history where we tried to limit the harmful effects of a drug by prohibiting its use, possession and sale.
I'll repeat my question, and maybe you'll answer it:
Do you two honestly not recognize the historical lesson from the first Prohibition?
How could you possibly want to engage in that again? In what way do you think the results would be any better or different? Do you feel that the first Prohibition was working, and should have been continued?
I find it completely boggling.
If you want to talk about abortion prohibition, that's fine, but that's not what I'm asking about.
The point I'm making is, if you make something legal, it's considered perfectly normal behavior, and therefore more people will do it.
I think you'd see a lot more homeless and drug addicts on the street if you made drugs legal. Just as we've seen huge increases in abortions since it became legal.
because alcohol is more destructive that those three combined.
The stats may show that because the other three are ILLEGAL! I will be against legalized drugs until the day I die. I will do my best to instill that attitude in my children. And one more thing doper, I hope you get busted.
Okay, say we have drugs become legalized. We start seeing stores pop up where you can get legalized heroin and coke products. People start going there. People start getting addicted. Then what? They blow all their money on drugs or supporting their drug habit. Their families get worried, spouses and kids aren't getting the support they need. Jobs are affected because performance is down, health costs are up. Behavior becomes more erradict. Perhaps the person starts gambling to try and win more money to get more drugs and feed the need.
Some of these drugs are addicting. They mess with the brain. I don't think we can be legalizing them.
We start seeing stores pop up where you can get legalized heroin and coke products
Coca-Cola was originally a coke product
People start going there
you DO understand that people can and do get drugs already, don't you?
They blow all their money on drugs or supporting their drug habit
well, they blow LESS money than they do now. speaking of money, the laws create a situation where a LOT of money gets sucked out of the legitimate economy and into an underground economy. It's costs us a lot to have these laws.
Their families get worried, spouses and kids aren't getting the support they need.
Jobs are affected because performance is down, health costs are up
actually, studies found pot smokers take less time off for health problem than, say, alcoholics. And are more reliable.
Behavior becomes more erradict
you do understand that people already take drugs, don't you?
is erradict(sp) behavior against the law?
Perhaps the person starts gambling to try and win more money to get more drugs and feed the need.
again, the price would go down, not up.
the point is, there are a lotof people who use drugs
do you criminalize them just because some others aren't responsible?
cars kill people in the hands of those who don't use them responsibly. Is that a reason to make everyone who does use cars responsibly criminals?
this idea that the laws somehow prevents people from doing drugs has been shown over and over again to just not be an accurate one. All they do is create more problems...and the problems they create are both racist and unfairly favor certain businesses.
oh yea...the money that the black market creates helps fuel things like...uh...terrorists and organized crime.
Does that mean we can expect heroin on a stick, or the ice cream man selling potsicles?
you DO understand that people can and do get drugs already, don't you?
Yes, I do understand this. But won't it be a heck of a lot easier if it's legalized and the drug places have their own business? Start advertising in the yellow pages? Maybe have a drive-thru window? Of course people are using drugs now. I doubt there are thay many people who are in jail for doing nothing.
well, they blow LESS money than they do now. speaking of money, the laws create a situation where a LOT of money gets sucked out of the legitimate economy and into an underground economy. It's costs us a lot to have these laws.
Likely the drugs would be cheaper. So it means that people get addicted sooner? Can get more drugs to overdose on? Would the legitimate economy be better because more jobs are created? You need people to staff the drug emporiums, to make the drugs, marketing and advertising, management. People to run the treatment centers, the addiction programs, the hospitals. More lobbyists get hired to try and change the laws back again. Maybe morticians get more business, divorce attorneys get more business....
actually, studies found pot smokers take less time off for health problem than, say, alcoholics. And are more reliable.
In all of this, I'm not really concerned about pot. I'm still undecided about it and it's addictive qualities. I'm more concerned about the heavy stuff.
you do understand that people already take drugs, don't you? is erradict(sp) behavior against the law?
I realize I misspelled erratic. Yes, I do know that people already take drugs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. No, it's not against the law to have erratic behavior. But when it infringes on other people's rights and affects society it means something. Say someone is high on drugs and they are menacing society. Using their vehicle as a weapon, waving a gun or a knife around. Threatening to rape a woman. Is that okay? A person who is going through drug withdrawl, how is that going to affect their ability to hold a job? Is the company that employs them going to have to help them with their physical needs? If the person can't hold a job because of this, are we as a society to support him?
do you criminalize them just because some others aren't responsible?
There comes a point where you have to limit things. Drugs mess with the body. Whether we legalize or criminalize drugs, there are going to be problems. If we make drugs legal, it's not going to solve everything and make it all great. There will be problems with it. I think with the laws we have now, we're trying to limit the problems. Choose the lesser of two evils.
But won't it be a heck of a lot easier if it's legalized and the drug places have their own business?
easier to get?
no
the drug dealers will deliver it as it stands now.
easier to control and regulate, yes.
Using their vehicle as a weapon, waving a gun or a knife around. Threatening to rape a woman. Is that okay?
these behaviors are already against the law, aren't they?
and surely you aren't saying that these things are isolated strictly to people on drugs, are you?
A person who is going through drug withdrawl, how is that going to affect their ability to hold a job?
so, you want to criminalize all the people who use drugs responsibly because some don't?
and are you saying that we need laws to make sure people can keep their jobs?
Isn't keeping your job sorta your own responsibility?
Choose the lesser of two evils
uh...if by "evils" you mean the problems associated with drug use, than those will be there regardless of if it's legal or not. But if it's illegal, not only do you still have those problems, you create a bunch more.
The laws create worse problems then what you claim they are trying to prevent, including a way to unfairly criminalize minorities and the poor. The fact is, the drug laws have been(and continue to be) used in a racist manner.
legal, in the case of drugs, isthe lesser of two evils
What plan is there to control and regulate it? How will we do so?
and surely you aren't saying that these things are isolated strictly to people on drugs, are you?
No, I never said that. But the likelihood of them happening would increase if they aren't in their right mind.
so, you want to criminalize all the people who use drugs responsibly because some don't?
If drugs are legalized and they are used irresponsibly, how is that handled? They can't use drugs any more? That's a bit stupid because if they're using the drugs, they very likely could be addicted and will crave/need more.
and are you saying that we need laws to make sure people can keep their jobs? Isn't keeping your job sorta your own responsibility?
No, you didn't really address the point I made. Keeping their job is their responsibility. What about the drug addicts who can't keep a job and are out of work? Do we get stuck with paying for them? Paying to treat them, to support them?
The laws create worse problems then what you claim they are trying to prevent, including a way to unfairly criminalize minorities and the poor. The fact is, the drug laws have been(and continue to be) used in a racist manner.
What other problems are they creating? If they are criminalizing the minorities, why aren't there more black people who are for legalizing drugs? I don't hear them wanting it for their economical benefit. Why do the seemingly bad neighborhoods want to get rid of the crime and drugs? If drugs are such a good thing, why don't they want them to stay? And perhaps some of the poor are poor because they spend what little money they have on supporting their drug habit?
when it's legal, you stand a better chance at controlling it and keeping it from, say, small children.
Tobacco has been legal, but that hasn't stopped that industry from targeting kids. What's to say that drug dealers won't do the same? They are in it for the money. I don't know that having some regulations will keep them from selling to whoever they think they can get hooked on their stuff.
If you hadn't already fried your mind, you could understand it.
The mantra of the doper
Utterly damn stupid. Only a man that needs to get his drugs cheap and easy could say such an idiotic thing.
bodine?
you do understand that none of what you are saying here constitutes anything remotely like an argument, don't you?
But the likelihood of them happening would increase if they aren't in their right mind.
I've seen marriage drive people to things that could be considered "completely out of their mind"
should we outlaw marriage?
at least you used the word "likelihood", admitting that it's possible to use drugs without becoming a murdering rapist.
What about the drug addicts who can't keep a job and are out of work? Do we get stuck with paying for them? Paying to treat them, to support them?
what do we do about them now?
well, the money that you are currently paying to incarcerate people who aren't addicts, just users, would go a real long way to paying for this. Drug addiction is a disease, not a crime. Treat it like one.
You do understand that the United States imprisons a larger percentage of it's own citizens than any other country in the world(including South Africa at the height of aparthied), don't you?
Land of the free is sorta ironic, huh.
You do understand what it costs to imprision all these non-violent people don't you?
Tobacco has been legal, but that hasn't stopped that industry from targeting kids.
Actually, we are currently doing quite a bit to keep tobacco companies from targeting kids. Trust me, an illegal drug dealer isn't going to ask for ID first.
What's to say that drug dealers won't do the same?
If they are criminalizing the minorities, why aren't there more black people who are for legalizing drugs?
do you have some figures to show that they aren't?
Why do the seemingly bad neighborhoods want to get rid of the crime and drugs? If drugs are such a good thing, why don't they want them to stay?
it's the crime that the laws against them create that are the problem. it's the black market that tells a poor black kid that he can make tousands of dollars a week instead of making 6 bucks an hour ifMcDonalds will hire them.
The biggest problem that poor blacks have in this country is that black men in this country stand a better than 1 in 4 chance of spending time in a jail cell.
now, black people don't do more drugs than white people, but they DO spend a lot more time in jail because of it. Why is that?
I don't know that having some regulations will keep them from selling to whoever they think they can get hooked on their stuff.
drugs dealers currently sell it to whoever they can...because there is a huge finacial gain to do so....a gain provided by the laws.
that you can say that regulating won't work but outlawing will is at best confusing and ignores the fact that the we already know that the laws don't work anyway. And we already know the organized crime, gangs and violence that prohibition brings with it. And yet we haven't learned a damn thing from it.
again...this adds nothing to the discussion and is why everyone around here is having a problem with your (lack of) participation here. There isn't anything to add. You want to dope yourself legally. I say keep it legal and take the risk. I for one wouldn't care if you ended up in prison, crabs.
Drug addiction maybe a disease (I don't believe it). But drug possession is a crime
a crime based on bad law.
I say they are good laws.
it wasn't all that long ago it was a crime for a black person to eat in the same restaurant as a white person. Again you resort to illogical and irrelevant comparisons. Get off the dope for a while you might see it.
it's just the facts
you are one of those that lie to themselves.
Crabby, you've yet to prove to me that anti-drug laws are racist.
No matter how many times you say it, it still won't be true.
look at the demographics of who gets imprisoned for drugs and try to say again that they aren't racist
the enforcement of these laws is overwhelmingly racist
it's a simple fact, regardless of how much you try to ignore it
then read a little bit about the history of how and why these laws got made in the first place
not racist?
nonsense
the enforcement of these laws is overwhelmingly racist
so does the enforcement of the law being racist automatically make the law itself racist?
historically, that was it's intent (along with squashing free enterprise in order to protect certain businesses from competition)...and it's still it's overwhelming application.
yes.
the law itself was originally intended to be used to criminalize minorities (and squash free enterprise unfairly)...and according to the numbers, it still is.
look at the demographics of who gets imprisoned for drugs and try to say again that they aren't racist
I've looked. The laws aren't racist. Do you want me to say it again?
So in Crabby's mind, you shouldn't go to prison for drugs because you are black.
say it all you like, it won't change these facts...
According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.
it's racist, pure and simple
if you would like to present some factsthat show otherwise, feel free.
it's not in my mind...the facts show that if you are black and use drugs, you stand a MUCH better chance of being imprisoned for it than if you are white and use drugs. In my mind, you shouldn't go to prison for doing drugs no matter what color you are.
now, if that's okay with you, just say so, but don't pretend it's not racism.
THX, I wasn't looking for an example, particularly not one so utterly unrelated to the subject at hand. I gave you an example: alcohol Prohibition -- a vibrant and well-documented episode in our nation's history where we tried to limit the harmful effects of a drug by prohibiting its use, possession and sale.
I'll repeat my question, and maybe you'll answer it:
Do you two honestly not recognize the historical lesson from the first Prohibition?
How could you possibly want to engage in that again? In what way do you think the results would be any better or different? Do you feel that the first Prohibition was working, and should have been continued?
I find it completely boggling.
If you want to talk about abortion prohibition, that's fine, but that's not what I'm asking about.
The point I'm making is, if you make something legal, it's considered perfectly normal behavior, and therefore more people will do it.
I think you'd see a lot more homeless and drug addicts on the street if you made drugs legal. Just as we've seen huge increases in abortions since it became legal.
Do you two honestly not recognize the historical lesson from the first Prohibition?
Oh I understand. I am willing to pay the price for prohibition of drugs especially drugs such as cocaine, heroin and meth.
do you have any proof of this?
I mean, can you show how the laws have reduced these things? because as far as I can tell, they have only made these problems worse.
and can you tell me how someone else being a drug addict infringes on your rights?
but not alcohol?
because alcohol is more destructive that those three combined.
because alcohol is more destructive that those three combined.
The stats may show that because the other three are ILLEGAL! I will be against legalized drugs until the day I die. I will do my best to instill that attitude in my children. And one more thing doper, I hope you get busted.
so, you DO want to go back to alcohol prohibition?
so, you DO want to go back to alcohol prohibition?
I have no problem treating alcohol differently than cocaine, heroin, meth etc. But I would hand out stiffer penalties for drunk driving.
do you have any proof of this?
Amsterdam
I mean, can you show how the laws have reduced these things? because as far as I can tell, they have only made these problems worse.
I've already offered my abortion example.
and can you tell me how someone else being a drug addict infringes on your rights?
Remember your national healthcare? Is drug treatment going to be included in that?
Not to mention I have to look at them walking down the street with needles hanging out of their arms.
Okay, say we have drugs become legalized. We start seeing stores pop up where you can get legalized heroin and coke products. People start going there. People start getting addicted. Then what? They blow all their money on drugs or supporting their drug habit. Their families get worried, spouses and kids aren't getting the support they need. Jobs are affected because performance is down, health costs are up. Behavior becomes more erradict. Perhaps the person starts gambling to try and win more money to get more drugs and feed the need.
Some of these drugs are addicting. They mess with the brain. I don't think we can be legalizing them.
Coca-Cola was originally a coke product
you DO understand that people can and do get drugs already, don't you?
well, they blow LESS money than they do now. speaking of money, the laws create a situation where a LOT of money gets sucked out of the legitimate economy and into an underground economy. It's costs us a lot to have these laws.
actually, studies found pot smokers take less time off for health problem than, say, alcoholics. And are more reliable.
you do understand that people already take drugs, don't you?
is erradict(sp) behavior against the law?
again, the price would go down, not up.
the point is, there are a lotof people who use drugs
do you criminalize them just because some others aren't responsible?
cars kill people in the hands of those who don't use them responsibly. Is that a reason to make everyone who does use cars responsibly criminals?
this idea that the laws somehow prevents people from doing drugs has been shown over and over again to just not be an accurate one. All they do is create more problems...and the problems they create are both racist and unfairly favor certain businesses.
oh yea...the money that the black market creates helps fuel things like...uh...terrorists and organized crime.
Dave's not here, man.
They don't call it dope for nothing.
cocaine, heroin and meth have no place in a legitimate economy.
Coca-Cola was originally a coke product
Does that mean we can expect heroin on a stick, or the ice cream man selling potsicles?
you DO understand that people can and do get drugs already, don't you?
Yes, I do understand this. But won't it be a heck of a lot easier if it's legalized and the drug places have their own business? Start advertising in the yellow pages? Maybe have a drive-thru window? Of course people are using drugs now. I doubt there are thay many people who are in jail for doing nothing.
well, they blow LESS money than they do now. speaking of money, the laws create a situation where a LOT of money gets sucked out of the legitimate economy and into an underground economy. It's costs us a lot to have these laws.
Likely the drugs would be cheaper. So it means that people get addicted sooner? Can get more drugs to overdose on? Would the legitimate economy be better because more jobs are created? You need people to staff the drug emporiums, to make the drugs, marketing and advertising, management. People to run the treatment centers, the addiction programs, the hospitals. More lobbyists get hired to try and change the laws back again. Maybe morticians get more business, divorce attorneys get more business....
actually, studies found pot smokers take less time off for health problem than, say, alcoholics. And are more reliable.
In all of this, I'm not really concerned about pot. I'm still undecided about it and it's addictive qualities. I'm more concerned about the heavy stuff.
you do understand that people already take drugs, don't you? is erradict(sp) behavior against the law?
I realize I misspelled erratic. Yes, I do know that people already take drugs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. No, it's not against the law to have erratic behavior. But when it infringes on other people's rights and affects society it means something. Say someone is high on drugs and they are menacing society. Using their vehicle as a weapon, waving a gun or a knife around. Threatening to rape a woman. Is that okay? A person who is going through drug withdrawl, how is that going to affect their ability to hold a job? Is the company that employs them going to have to help them with their physical needs? If the person can't hold a job because of this, are we as a society to support him?
do you criminalize them just because some others aren't responsible?
There comes a point where you have to limit things. Drugs mess with the body. Whether we legalize or criminalize drugs, there are going to be problems. If we make drugs legal, it's not going to solve everything and make it all great. There will be problems with it. I think with the laws we have now, we're trying to limit the problems. Choose the lesser of two evils.
easier to get?
no
the drug dealers will deliver it as it stands now.
easier to control and regulate, yes.
these behaviors are already against the law, aren't they?
and surely you aren't saying that these things are isolated strictly to people on drugs, are you?
so, you want to criminalize all the people who use drugs responsibly because some don't?
and are you saying that we need laws to make sure people can keep their jobs?
Isn't keeping your job sorta your own responsibility?
uh...if by "evils" you mean the problems associated with drug use, than those will be there regardless of if it's legal or not. But if it's illegal, not only do you still have those problems, you create a bunch more.
The laws create worse problems then what you claim they are trying to prevent, including a way to unfairly criminalize minorities and the poor. The fact is, the drug laws have been(and continue to be) used in a racist manner.
legal, in the case of drugs, isthe lesser of two evils
well, when it's illegal, those who seek to profit from it have no need to observe any controls, since they are being a criminal anyway.
when it's legal, you stand a better chance at controlling it and keeping it from, say, small children.
We've seen the prohibition model fail miserably and we can see it is still failing miserably and yet we can't learn that it is because it is bad law.
easier to get?
Yes it will be much easier to get. If you hadn't already fried your mind, you could understand it.
legal, in the case of drugs, is the lesser of two evils
The mantra of the doper.
when it's legal, you stand a better chance at controlling it and keeping it from, say, small children.
Utterly damn stupid. Only a man that needs to get his drugs cheap and easy could say such an idiotic thing.
easier to control and regulate, yes.
What plan is there to control and regulate it? How will we do so?
and surely you aren't saying that these things are isolated strictly to people on drugs, are you?
No, I never said that. But the likelihood of them happening would increase if they aren't in their right mind.
so, you want to criminalize all the people who use drugs responsibly because some don't?
If drugs are legalized and they are used irresponsibly, how is that handled? They can't use drugs any more? That's a bit stupid because if they're using the drugs, they very likely could be addicted and will crave/need more.
and are you saying that we need laws to make sure people can keep their jobs? Isn't keeping your job sorta your own responsibility?
No, you didn't really address the point I made. Keeping their job is their responsibility. What about the drug addicts who can't keep a job and are out of work? Do we get stuck with paying for them? Paying to treat them, to support them?
The laws create worse problems then what you claim they are trying to prevent, including a way to unfairly criminalize minorities and the poor. The fact is, the drug laws have been(and continue to be) used in a racist manner.
What other problems are they creating? If they are criminalizing the minorities, why aren't there more black people who are for legalizing drugs? I don't hear them wanting it for their economical benefit. Why do the seemingly bad neighborhoods want to get rid of the crime and drugs? If drugs are such a good thing, why don't they want them to stay? And perhaps some of the poor are poor because they spend what little money they have on supporting their drug habit?
when it's legal, you stand a better chance at controlling it and keeping it from, say, small children.
Tobacco has been legal, but that hasn't stopped that industry from targeting kids. What's to say that drug dealers won't do the same? They are in it for the money. I don't know that having some regulations will keep them from selling to whoever they think they can get hooked on their stuff.
bodine?
you do understand that none of what you are saying here constitutes anything remotely like an argument, don't you?
I've seen marriage drive people to things that could be considered "completely out of their mind"
should we outlaw marriage?
at least you used the word "likelihood", admitting that it's possible to use drugs without becoming a murdering rapist.
what do we do about them now?
well, the money that you are currently paying to incarcerate people who aren't addicts, just users, would go a real long way to paying for this. Drug addiction is a disease, not a crime. Treat it like one.
You do understand that the United States imprisons a larger percentage of it's own citizens than any other country in the world(including South Africa at the height of aparthied), don't you?
Land of the free is sorta ironic, huh.
You do understand what it costs to imprision all these non-violent people don't you?
Actually, we are currently doing quite a bit to keep tobacco companies from targeting kids. Trust me, an illegal drug dealer isn't going to ask for ID first.
do you have some figures to show that they aren't?
it's the crime that the laws against them create that are the problem. it's the black market that tells a poor black kid that he can make tousands of dollars a week instead of making 6 bucks an hour ifMcDonalds will hire them.
The biggest problem that poor blacks have in this country is that black men in this country stand a better than 1 in 4 chance of spending time in a jail cell.
now, black people don't do more drugs than white people, but they DO spend a lot more time in jail because of it. Why is that?
drugs dealers currently sell it to whoever they can...because there is a huge finacial gain to do so....a gain provided by the laws.
that you can say that regulating won't work but outlawing will is at best confusing and ignores the fact that the we already know that the laws don't work anyway. And we already know the organized crime, gangs and violence that prohibition brings with it. And yet we haven't learned a damn thing from it.
you do understand that none of what you are saying here constitutes anything remotely like an argument, don't you?
What should I do? I mean it is quite clear to me you are unable to reason.
What about the drug addicts who can't keep a job and are out of work? Do we get stuck with paying for them? Paying to treat them, to support them?
what do we do about them now?
We apparently humor them on discussion boards.
Drug addiction is a disease, not a crime.
Drug addiction maybe a disease (I don't believe it). But drug possession is a crime.
my ability or lack thereof to reason has no bearing on the fact that what you are posting in no way resembles anything like a reasonable argument.
If you want to call names, get a job taking attendance.
otherwise, try sticking with what is being discussed instead of just calling people names when you have no rebuttal to an argument being made.
Yes we should make them work more.
Did you just take a hit before you posted this sentence? Maybe you should look into it. Sounds like a job even a doper could do.
again...this adds nothing to the discussion and is why everyone around here is having a problem with your (lack of) participation here.
a crime based on bad law.
it wasn't all that long agong it was a crime for a black person to eat in the same restaurant as a white person.
Now, if that was still the law, would you accept it? Support it?
Would it, only by virtue of being a law, be a good law?
I don't think so.
not those people...those black people.
white people who break this (bad) law don't go to prison in anywhere near the same percentages as black people.
again...this adds nothing to the discussion and is why everyone around here is having a problem with your (lack of) participation here. There isn't anything to add. You want to dope yourself legally. I say keep it legal and take the risk. I for one wouldn't care if you ended up in prison, crabs.
Drug addiction maybe a disease (I don't believe it). But drug possession is a crime
a crime based on bad law.
I say they are good laws.
it wasn't all that long ago it was a crime for a black person to eat in the same restaurant as a white person. Again you resort to illogical and irrelevant comparisons. Get off the dope for a while you might see it.
white people who break this (bad) law don't go to prison in anywhere near the same percentages as black people.
If true, then send more whites to prison.
and who are your role models?
we can trot out a list of all the famous and important people in history who used drugs if you like.
I don't think that people who want to imprison people who have done nothing to anyone else make very good role models.
we can trot out a list of all the famous and important people in history who used drugs if you like.
Be sure to include Hitler in your list.
I don't think that people who want to imprison people who have done nothing to anyone else make very good role models.
I don't know if they did or did not do anything to anyone. I know that those that possess drugs violate the law. Prison serves them right.
not "if true"...it IS true.
when will you be happy?
when half of the country is imprisioned by the other half?
put everyone in prison who have broken this bad law and you will have a great deal more people in prison than not.
I have no doubt of that
you are not discussing the subject though...you are now just obviously trolling.
well, that's where you and I differ. If you were imprisioned by a bad law (say they outlawed internet trolling and namecalling), I would care.
not "if true"...it IS true.
I am sorry that I can't take your word for it. Dopers are notoriously unreliable.
right next to that alcoholic guy in your picture who won't talk about his cocaine use, instead dismissing it as "youthful indiscretion"
when will you be happy?
When people stop whining about the risks they take for doing illegal activity. Hell the marijuana laws, except for distribution, are already lenient.
Crabs, as I have said before, Bish came to his senses.