The site describes itself as a "coalition effort of bloodthirsty hawks and ineffectual doves" united in their admiration for al-Sahaf and his pronouncements, such as: "I now inform you that you are too far from reality."
Among al-Sahaf's now-famous declarations was: "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"
"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"
"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"
"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."
"surrender or be burned in their tanks."
"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"
"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."
"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."
"They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."
"We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."
"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected."
"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."
"Please, please! The Americans are relying on what I called yesterday a desperate and stupid method."
"We blocked them inside the city. Their rear is blocked"
"Desperate Americans"
"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."
"Their casualties and bodies are many."
"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role."
"Search for the truth. I tell you things and I always ask you to verify what I say. I told you yesterday that there was an attack and a retreat at Saddam's airport."
"You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are Iraqi checkpoints. Evrything is okay."
"This boa, the American columns, are being besieged between Basra and other towns north, west, south and west of Basra....Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there."
"By God, I think this is rather very unlikely. This is merely a prattle. The fact is that as soon as they reach baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them....Wherever they go they will find themselves encircled."
"Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any langer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catchign them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target."
"Blair...is accusing us of executing British soldiers. We want to tell him that we have not executed anybody. They are either killed in battle, most of them get killed because they are cowards anyway, the rest they just get captured."
"They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. we had not anticipated this."
"the louts of colonialism."
"The forces of American colonialism began to drop containers that produce a sound explosion, a very huge sound. I remind you that they said that their strategy is based on shock and awe. Those failed ones manufactured a type of container that has an explosive substance, which they drop. They cause a very huge explosion in terms of sound, as if the universe was shaken. After a while, you go out and you don't find anything. You find some nails, screws, pieces of metal, but the important thing here is the sound. Those failed ones think that through the huge sound explosion, people would be shocked and consequently would collapse and be defeated. What happened? The contrary. The fighters..., the masses..., and the heroic sons of the Iraqi tribes discovered this game. They will turn it against the American louts so as to shock them. Wait for surprises, God willing, to see how the US game will fail."
"The shock has backfired on them. They are shocked because of what they have seen. No one received them with roses. They were received with bombs, shoes and bullets. Now, the game has been exposed. Awe will backfire on them. This is the boa snake. We will extend it further and cut it the appropriate way."
"It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."
"As for the mercenaries who advanced to the perimeters of Saddam International Airport, I would like to remind you of something. I will mention something that will make the picture clear for you and help you to understand what took place at Saddam International Airport. Most of you probably saw the American movie "Wag the Dog". I hope you remember it. Some of their acts that took place at dawn yesterday and today are similar to what happened in "Wag the Dog". If we succeed in keeping them isolated on that island, and we are determined to do so, we might let them taste a second mini Dien Bien Phu tonight. The European journalists remember it well. Our estimates are that none of them will come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly. They are completely surrounded now. This morning, the number of armoured personnel carriers that were destroyed, along with their occupants, is eight. The number of the tanks destroyed is 11."
"Tonight, we will do something unconventional against them. This means: not by the military. We will do something that I believe will become a pretty example for those mercenaries. I would not be giving out a secret when I say that action in the dark against such mercenaries is effective, not through the action of armies. I say that dropping down those mercenaries in a surprise fashion at Saddam Airport without accurate calculations is largely meant for showing things. It's a showy operation. It is a kind of surprise muscle flexing to the world to show it that the shock and awe operation is indeed successful. May they be accursed. Through this operation [shock and awe], they sent a number of their villains and mercenaries to be butchered. Again, and according to my early estimates, unless the remaining part of their soldiers surrender, the chance for their survival is very slim. The surprising thing is that after they threw their soldiers into a place where they are not aware of the real results, the villainous Americans, like Powell and the others, sat in Europe to discuss how to divide Iraq as spoils after the war [laughing]. This means what's post-war. The post-war [Iraq] will be the same current Iraq under the leadership of President Saddam Husayn."
"We will pursue them as war criminals. We will work with all the free people in the world, and they are many, who want someone to bell the cat [i.e.; to do a daring deed], and now we are belling the cat, according to the famous [Arabic] saying so as to rid the UN of those villains. After Iraq aborts the invasion that is being carried out by the American and British villains, the USA will no longer be a superpower. Its deterioration will be rapid. I say to those villains who are meeting in Europe, thinking of launching psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Iraq, except for disgrace and defeat. Iraq will continue to exist. Its civilization is 10,000 years old. It will not be changed by villains like the US and British villains."
"W. Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see that he is brought to trial"
"I think the British nation has never been faced with a tragedy like this fellow [Blair]."
"The United Nations....[is] a place for prostitution under the feet of Americans."
"They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into center of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick mind."
"They are superpower of villains. They are superpower of Al Capone."
"Iraqi fighters in Umm Qasr are giving the hordes of American and Brtish mercenaries the taste of definite death. We have drawn them into a quagmire and they will never get out of it."
"What they say about a breakthrough [in Najaf] is completely an illusion. They are sending their warplanes to fly very low in order to have vibrations on these sacred places . . . they are trying to crack the buildings by flying low over them."
"We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp"
"When we were making the law, when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfarthers of blair and little bush were scratching around in caves"
About Bush and Rumsfeld: "Those only deserve to be hit with shoes."
You know, Al-Sahhaf has become a little celebrity. He'll probably be on one of those "Where are they now?" shows on VH-1. But then again, he could be on a "Where are they now?" show along with Saddam and Osama. I wonder if that's a first.
I do not like you Saddam-I-Am; I do not like your desert sand ... I like you even less than Spam; and never would I shake your hand... I do not like you with a gun; I do not want your petroleum I would not like you on a yak; I do not want you in Iraq
I do not want your picture there, with ugly sneer on every square... I’m tired of you and sneak attacks and may your bunker smash you flat... I do not like you Saddam-I-Am, and hope you end up in Iran... Or on the Moon or on the Sun or floating in a jiffy john...
I do not like the Scuds you launch; I do not like your big fat paunch... While people starved and Kurds were gassed, you hid your dirty weapons mass... Poised with Mustard and Anthrax along with Serine in your pack... I would not like you on a boat or train, or even exiled in Bahrain...
I do not like, nor do I care, that you wear French underwear... I would not like you with a bird, but maybe with some angry Kurds... Or maybe in a crashing plane with lots of smoke and lots of flames... Take a friend Saddam Hussein, let’s add Bill, to feel your pain, ... With Arnett and Rodham and Michael Moore, let’s pack this plane forget the war...
Let’s get Tom and Diane too, how about Shawn to smoke a doob... Oh what a jet, oh what a thrill, that all your liberal friends could fill... This final scene, this shock and awe, would give us all one big hoorah... The jumbo liner hits we hope; without survivors and so remote... do not like you here or there, but bits and pieces everywhere...
To think about you while we’re passing, stick and weenies with fire crackling... I’ll toast your roasting in this meadow, with a sizzling hot marsh mellow... The people of Iraq will say; why did the UN stay away... Our freedom is handed us today, thank God we have the USA... And now you know just where I stand; I do not like you Saddam-I-Am...
Eleven thousand soldiers lay beneath the dirt and stone, all buried on a distant land so far away from home. For just a strip of dismal beach they paid a hero's price, to save a foreign nation they all made the sacrifice.
And now the shores of Normandy are lined with blocks of white, Americans who didn't turn from someone else's plight. Eleven thousand reasons for the French to take our side, but in the moment of our need, they chose to run and hide.
Chirac said every war means loss, perhaps for France that's true, for they've lost every battle since the days of Waterloo. Without a soldier worth a damn to be found in the region, the French became the only land to need a Foreign Legion.
You French all say we're arrogant. Well hell, we've earned the right-- We saved your sorry nation when you lacked the guts to fight. But now you've made a big mistake, and one that you'll regret; you took sides with our enemies, and that we won't forget.
It wasn't just our citizens you spit on when you turned, but every one of ours who fell the day the towers burned. You spit upon our soldiers, on our pilots and Marines, and now you'll get a little sense of just what payback means.
So keep your Paris fashions and your wine and your champagne, and find some other market that will buy your aeroplanes. And try to find somebody else to wear your French cologne, for you're about to find out what it means to stand alone.
You see, you need us far more than we ever needed you. America has better friends who know how to be true. I'd rather stand with warriors who have the will and might, than huddle in the dark with those whose only flag is white.
I'll take the Brits, the Aussies, the Israelis and the rest, for when it comes to valor we have seen that they're the best. We'll count on one another as we face a moment dire, while you sit on the sideline with a sign "friendship for hire."
We'll win this war without you and we'll total up the cost, and take it from your foreign aid, and then you'll feel the loss. And when your nation starts to fall, well Frenchie, you can spare us, just call the Germans for a hand, they know the way to Paris.
BAGHDAD -- For three days, American tanks have been shelling a military intelligence building in the posh Al-Khathamia area in west Baghdad.
The dozen or so tanks are not here to pound intransigent fighters but to break down concrete beams and steel, to reach bunkers deep underground at the Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya facility.
The Marines found 123 prisoners, including five women, barely alive in an underground warren of cells and torture chambers.
Being trapped underground probably kept them safe from the bombing of Baghdad by the coalition.
Severely emaciated, some had survived by eating the scabs off their sores. All the men had beards down to their waists, said onlookers.
Most looked absolutely dazed when they emerged, said Mr Sadoun Mohamed, 37, who lives in the area.
'They had not seen sunlight for a long time,' he said. 'They kept blinking and covering their faces.' He said they were taken to the Saddam Hospital for treatment.
Their names were posted on the walls of the Al-Hajabehia Mosque in west Baghdad, as were names of some 40 others known to have been executed or murdered in prison.
Hundreds of anxious locals wait for word of their family, relatives and friends, some of whom were taken away more than 10 years ago.
Outside Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya, Mr Sadeq Al Saeed, 24, a construction worker, has been waiting sleepless for the last 36 hours. He said he had heard the facility had five levels below ground.
He said his father, an Iraqi army captain, was killed in 1991 during the first Gulf War, and his cousins Amer and Jasem and some 50 others were picked out by the secret police for chanting anti-Saddam slogans during the funeral procession.
'That was the last I saw of them,' he said.
'In the night, people raided their houses, blindfolded them and took them away.'
He hopes against hope that the Marines will be able to find his cousins, who were brought here to be interrogated.
This hellhole is believed to be one of many for Iraq's political prisoners. Thousands may still be behind bars though the regime released many criminals from prisons before the war.
The United States soldiers at Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya would not say what they were doing there. Their tanks blocked the entrance.
This place could be part of the labyrinth of underground facilities which might still shelter regime members.
Under one palace, a German-designed 1,900 sq m bunker was built at a cost of US$90 million (S$160 million) with luxurious accommodation for the Iraqi President, his family, their bodyguards and staff.
More than 24 bunkers were identified 12 years ago. There may be more now, located under schools, hospitals, even mosques, and linked together.
The security police, or Da'irat Al-Mukhabbarat Al-'Amma; Iraqi Intelligence Service; and military intelligence, also built cells and tunnels underground.
Taxi driver Hathem Ejam, 36, said Mr Saddam's older son Uday, also used them for his harem discards.
Relaying widely-believed rumours, he said: 'He would pick any young girl he liked from the street, rape her, shave her head bald and then get his guards to dump her in an underground cell.'
You can access that piece if you're registered with the New York Times.
Fox is killing the other cable stations for audience in its war coverages. The result, MSNBC has brought aboard right-wing, pitbull talk radio host Michael Savage and rightwing, pitbull former Florida Congressman Joe Scarborough to make each other smile all evening.
The guys on the Fox anchor desks are busy, too. Writes the Times:
"After the first statue of Saddam Hussein fell in Baghdad, Neal Cavuto, an anchor, delivered a message to those '"who oppose the liberation of Iraq." '"You were sickening then, your are sickening now."' Another Fox anchor, John Gibson, said he hoped Iraq's reconstruction would not be left to '"the dopey old UN."'
How long will it be before CNN caves? It doesn't fly the American flag in the corner, because it wants to consider itself an international news station. But Walt Isaacson has Washington's Republican leadership on his Rolodex. He visited them all last year
'''What Fox is doing, and what MSNBC is also delcaring by its product is that one can be unabashadly patriotic and be a good news journalist at the same time,:" says Brent Bozell, a guy who gets linked quite a bit around here said in the Times artcile.
But Andrew Heyward, president of CBS News says the stations are panicking and fears will be soon be a race to out-right Fox.
"What I would not like to see happen is legitimate debate stifled, or journalists' skepticism, heated journalistic inquiry, somehow dampened by a flock of Fox imitators."
How long will it be before CNN caves? It doesn't fly the American flag in the corner, because it wants to consider itself an international news station.
CNN prefers to bend over and take it from totalitarian regimes.
It it is unbiased reporting of facts so I can make my own decision instead of being spoonfed twisted opinion, then yes.
Like this?
"After the first statue of Saddam Hussein fell in Baghdad, Neal Cavuto, an anchor, delivered a message to those '"who oppose the liberation of Iraq." '"You were sickening then, your are sickening now."'
Another Fox anchor, John Gibson, said he hoped Iraq's reconstruction would not be left to '"the dopey old UN."'
Also from Rick's link: The American news media have been here before. Newspaper headlines in World War II clearly backed the Allies. In 1944, The New York Times used the following headline above a photo essay about an air raid: "We Strike at the Japs."
Hey they can have their opinion, too. And there is no question those comments, if accurate, are opinion. Try to get that from CNN and the networks. They report their opinions as fact and bury their opinion in stories where it is hard to differentiate.
i never claimed to be playing psychic, jethro. i'd honestly like to see anyone find me a news source that isn't biased one way or the other. they simply don't exist.
I know when I read Fox, it's going to be Conservative biased. When I read the Times, I know it will be Liberal biased. I think you see a conservative bias because compared with liberal news sources such as CNN and the Times it appears conservative. I think Fox does a good job reporting straight news. Of course they have opinion shows but the news seems straight forward.
You've already provided and example of bias in the Times.
"The American news media have been here before. Newspaper headlines in World War II clearly backed the Allies. In 1944, The New York Times used the following headline above a photo essay about an air raid: "We Strike at the Japs."'
I'm sure there are others. The Times has been around awhile. They don't do everything right. But to pick and choose little pieces you will lose context. So don't bother with searching them out.
I should have put it in parenthesis so as to make it easier to tell that it was a play on words.
For this "Independence Joe"...
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A U.S. Marine covers the face of a statue of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) with a U.S. flag in Baghdad April 9, 2003.
Iraqi information minister a hit in cyberspace
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/04/11/offbeat.minister.site.reut/index.html
The site describes itself as a "coalition effort of bloodthirsty hawks and ineffectual doves" united in their admiration for al-Sahaf and his pronouncements, such as: "I now inform you that you are too far from reality."
Among al-Sahaf's now-famous declarations was: "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
http://64.39.15.171/
Scary that they would start at such very young age teaching them such stuff.
Like Rick said, "When they love their children more than they hate the Jews...".
-- The All Time Greats --
"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"
"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"
"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"
"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."
"surrender or be burned in their tanks."
"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"
"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any
place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are
trying to sell to the others an illusion."
"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."
"They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."
"We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."
"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected."
"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you
with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those
who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these
mercenaries in a crematorium."
"Please, please! The Americans are relying on what I called yesterday a desperate and stupid method."
"We blocked them inside the city. Their rear is blocked"
"Desperate Americans"
"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."
"Their casualties and bodies are many."
"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role."
"Search for the truth. I tell you things and I always ask you to verify what I say. I told you yesterday that there was an attack and a retreat at Saddam's airport."
"You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are Iraqi checkpoints. Evrything is okay."
"This boa, the American columns, are being besieged between Basra and other towns north, west, south and west of Basra....Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there."
"By God, I think this is rather very unlikely. This is merely a prattle. The fact is that as soon as they reach baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them....Wherever they go they will find themselves encircled."
"Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any langer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catchign them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target."
"Blair...is accusing us of executing British soldiers. We want to tell him that we have not executed anybody. They are either killed in battle, most of them get killed because they are cowards anyway, the rest they just get captured."
"They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. we had not anticipated this."
"the louts of colonialism."
"The forces of American colonialism began to drop containers that produce a sound explosion, a very huge sound. I remind you that they said that their strategy is based on shock and awe. Those failed ones manufactured a type of container that has an explosive substance, which they drop. They cause a very huge explosion in terms of sound, as if the universe was shaken. After a while, you go out and you don't find anything. You find some nails, screws, pieces of metal, but the important thing here is the sound. Those failed ones think that through the huge sound explosion, people would be shocked and consequently would collapse and be defeated. What happened? The contrary. The fighters..., the masses..., and the heroic sons of the Iraqi tribes discovered this game. They will turn it against the American louts so as to shock them. Wait for surprises, God willing, to see how the US game will fail."
"The shock has backfired on them. They are shocked because of what they have seen. No one received them with roses. They were received with bombs, shoes and bullets. Now, the game has been exposed. Awe will backfire on them. This is the boa snake. We will extend it further and cut it the appropriate way."
"It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."
"As for the mercenaries who advanced to the perimeters of Saddam International Airport, I would like to remind you of something. I will mention something that will make the picture clear for you and help you to understand what took place at Saddam International Airport. Most of you probably saw the American movie "Wag the Dog". I hope you remember it. Some of their acts that took place at dawn yesterday and today are similar to what happened in "Wag the Dog". If we succeed in keeping them isolated on that island, and we are determined to do so, we might let them taste a second mini Dien Bien Phu tonight. The European journalists remember it well. Our estimates are that none of them will come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly. They are completely surrounded now. This morning, the number of armoured personnel carriers that were destroyed, along with their occupants, is eight. The number of the tanks destroyed is 11."
"Tonight, we will do something unconventional against them. This means: not by the military. We will do something that I believe will become a pretty example for those mercenaries. I would not be giving out a secret when I say that action in the dark against such mercenaries is effective, not through the action of armies. I say that dropping down those mercenaries in a surprise fashion at Saddam Airport without accurate calculations is largely meant for showing things. It's a showy operation. It is a kind of surprise muscle flexing to the world to show it that the shock and awe operation is indeed successful. May they be accursed. Through this operation [shock and awe], they sent a number of their villains and mercenaries to be butchered. Again, and according to my early estimates, unless the remaining part of their soldiers surrender, the chance for their survival is very slim. The surprising thing is that after they threw their soldiers into a place where they are not aware of the real results, the villainous Americans, like Powell and the others, sat in Europe to discuss how to divide Iraq as spoils after the war [laughing]. This means what's post-war. The post-war [Iraq] will be the same current Iraq under the leadership of President Saddam Husayn."
"We will pursue them as war criminals. We will work with all the free people in the world, and they are many, who want someone to bell the cat [i.e.; to do a daring deed], and now we are belling the cat, according to the famous [Arabic] saying so as to rid the UN of those villains. After Iraq aborts the invasion that is being carried out by the American and British villains, the USA will no longer be a superpower. Its deterioration will be rapid. I say to those villains who are meeting in Europe, thinking of launching psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Iraq, except for disgrace and defeat. Iraq will continue to exist. Its civilization is 10,000 years old. It will not be changed by villains like the US and British villains."
"W. Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see
that he is brought to trial"
"I think the British nation has never been faced with a tragedy like this fellow [Blair]."
"The United Nations....[is] a place for prostitution under the feet of
Americans."
"They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into center
of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick mind."
"They are superpower of villains. They are superpower of Al Capone."
"Iraqi fighters in Umm Qasr are giving the hordes of American and Brtish
mercenaries the taste of definite death. We have drawn them into a
quagmire and they will never get out of it."
"What they say about a breakthrough [in Najaf] is completely an illusion. They are sending their warplanes to fly very low in order to have vibrations on these sacred places . . . they are trying to crack the buildings by flying low over them."
"We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp"
"When we were making the law, when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfarthers of blair and little bush were scratching around in caves"
About Bush and Rumsfeld: "Those only deserve to be hit with shoes."
With liberals reading this kind of crap, http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,934300,00.html, it is no wonder they are warped.
You know, Al-Sahhaf has become a little celebrity. He'll probably be on one of those "Where are they now?" shows on VH-1. But then again, he could be on a "Where are they now?" show along with Saddam and Osama. I wonder if that's a first.
Saddam and Green Eggs
by listener Bob
I do not like you Saddam-I-Am; I do not like your desert sand ...
I like you even less than Spam; and never would I shake your hand...
I do not like you with a gun; I do not want your petroleum
I would not like you on a yak; I do not want you in Iraq
I do not want your picture there, with ugly sneer on every square...
I’m tired of you and sneak attacks and may your bunker smash you flat...
I do not like you Saddam-I-Am, and hope you end up in Iran...
Or on the Moon or on the Sun or floating in a jiffy john...
I do not like the Scuds you launch; I do not like your big fat paunch...
While people starved and Kurds were gassed, you hid your dirty weapons mass...
Poised with Mustard and Anthrax along with Serine in your pack...
I would not like you on a boat or train, or even exiled in Bahrain...
I do not like, nor do I care, that you wear French underwear...
I would not like you with a bird, but maybe with some angry Kurds...
Or maybe in a crashing plane with lots of smoke and lots of flames...
Take a friend Saddam Hussein, let’s add Bill, to feel your pain, ...
With Arnett and Rodham and Michael Moore, let’s pack this plane forget the war...
Let’s get Tom and Diane too, how about Shawn to smoke a doob...
Oh what a jet, oh what a thrill, that all your liberal friends could fill...
This final scene, this shock and awe, would give us all one big hoorah...
The jumbo liner hits we hope; without survivors and so remote...
do not like you here or there, but bits and pieces everywhere...
To think about you while we’re passing, stick and weenies with fire crackling...
I’ll toast your roasting in this meadow, with a sizzling hot marsh mellow...
The people of Iraq will say; why did the UN stay away...
Our freedom is handed us today, thank God we have the USA...
And now you know just where I stand; I do not like you Saddam-I-Am...
Who Stands Alone
by Michael Marks marksman@patriot.net
Eleven thousand soldiers lay beneath the dirt and stone,
all buried on a distant land so far away from home.
For just a strip of dismal beach they paid a hero's price,
to save a foreign nation they all made the sacrifice.
And now the shores of Normandy are lined with blocks of white,
Americans who didn't turn from someone else's plight.
Eleven thousand reasons for the French to take our side,
but in the moment of our need, they chose to run and hide.
Chirac said every war means loss, perhaps for France that's true,
for they've lost every battle since the days of Waterloo.
Without a soldier worth a damn to be found in the region,
the French became the only land to need a Foreign Legion.
You French all say we're arrogant. Well hell, we've earned the right--
We saved your sorry nation when you lacked the guts to fight.
But now you've made a big mistake, and one that you'll regret;
you took sides with our enemies, and that we won't forget.
It wasn't just our citizens you spit on when you turned,
but every one of ours who fell the day the towers burned.
You spit upon our soldiers, on our pilots and Marines,
and now you'll get a little sense of just what payback means.
So keep your Paris fashions and your wine and your champagne,
and find some other market that will buy your aeroplanes.
And try to find somebody else to wear your French cologne,
for you're about to find out what it means to stand alone.
You see, you need us far more than we ever needed you.
America has better friends who know how to be true.
I'd rather stand with warriors who have the will and might,
than huddle in the dark with those whose only flag is white.
I'll take the Brits, the Aussies, the Israelis and the rest,
for when it comes to valor we have seen that they're the best.
We'll count on one another as we face a moment dire,
while you sit on the sideline with a sign "friendship for hire."
We'll win this war without you and we'll total up the cost,
and take it from your foreign aid, and then you'll feel the loss.
And when your nation starts to fall, well Frenchie, you can spare us,
just call the Germans for a hand, they know the way to Paris.
From Oldguns.net
Although I didn't care for the poem, I think it had many valid points.
My favorite line being:
the French became the only land to need a Foreign Legion.
I just love Right-Wing, Shitbag-Poets, who THINK they are "Patriots".
Wow. How "Tolerant" of the poster, and what a great example he is, to those young Americans who may read his ... "Post".
Yeah. Like YOU have any reason to feel that all of your posts are morally-appropriate for children to read?
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please point out which of my posts you find morally objectional.
Besides, any kid who IS reading in here, HAS to want to read this shit, or they wouldn't BE here.
Same could be said about the poem that you spoke of.
Right Jethro?
More jabs at Jethro, but the feud between you two is Jethro's fault.
APRIL 16, 2003
Marines free 123 from Iraq hellhole
By Derwin Pereira
BAGHDAD -- For three days, American tanks have been shelling a military intelligence building in the posh Al-Khathamia area in west Baghdad.
The dozen or so tanks are not here to pound intransigent fighters but to break down concrete beams and steel, to reach bunkers deep underground at the Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya facility.
The Marines found 123 prisoners, including five women, barely alive in an underground warren of cells and torture chambers.
Being trapped underground probably kept them safe from the bombing of Baghdad by the coalition.
Severely emaciated, some had survived by eating the scabs off their sores. All the men had beards down to their waists, said onlookers.
Most looked absolutely dazed when they emerged, said Mr Sadoun Mohamed, 37, who lives in the area.
'They had not seen sunlight for a long time,' he said. 'They kept blinking and covering their faces.' He said they were taken to the Saddam Hospital for treatment.
Their names were posted on the walls of the Al-Hajabehia Mosque in west Baghdad, as were names of some 40 others known to have been executed or murdered in prison.
Hundreds of anxious locals wait for word of their family, relatives and friends, some of whom were taken away more than 10 years ago.
Outside Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya, Mr Sadeq Al Saeed, 24, a construction worker, has been waiting sleepless for the last 36 hours. He said he had heard the facility had five levels below ground.
He said his father, an Iraqi army captain, was killed in 1991 during the first Gulf War, and his cousins Amer and Jasem and some 50 others were picked out by the secret police for chanting anti-Saddam slogans during the funeral procession.
'That was the last I saw of them,' he said.
'In the night, people raided their houses, blindfolded them and took them away.'
He hopes against hope that the Marines will be able to find his cousins, who were brought here to be interrogated.
This hellhole is believed to be one of many for Iraq's political prisoners. Thousands may still be behind bars though the regime released many criminals from prisons before the war.
The United States soldiers at Al-Istikhbarat Al-'Askariya would not say what they were doing there. Their tanks blocked the entrance.
This place could be part of the labyrinth of underground facilities which might still shelter regime members.
Under one palace, a German-designed 1,900 sq m bunker was built at a cost of US$90 million (S$160 million) with luxurious accommodation for the Iraqi President, his family, their bodyguards and staff.
More than 24 bunkers were identified 12 years ago. There may be more now, located under schools, hospitals, even mosques, and linked together.
The security police, or Da'irat Al-Mukhabbarat Al-'Amma; Iraqi Intelligence Service; and military intelligence, also built cells and tunnels underground.
Taxi driver Hathem Ejam, 36, said Mr Saddam's older son Uday, also used them for his harem discards.
Relaying widely-believed rumours, he said: 'He would pick any young girl he liked from the street, rape her, shave her head bald and then get his guards to dump her in an underground cell.'
Where's the love?
Come here, CSC, and give me a hug.
It's just like a post war UN in here. ;o)
I haven't posted in here, but I feel I should have a say in what happens to this thread. Now where do I hug people?
I haven't posted in here, but I feel I should have a say in what happens to this thread.
Let me guess, you're French?
Let me guess, you're French?
If he were French wouldn't he know where to hug people?
Let me guess, you're French?
No, I just play one on tv.
Does the dominance of Fox News in the war coverage cable ratings prove that you better give people what they want to hear in order to be successful?
You can access that piece if you're registered with the New York Times.
Fox is killing the other cable stations for audience in its war coverages. The result, MSNBC has brought aboard right-wing, pitbull talk radio host Michael Savage and rightwing, pitbull former Florida Congressman Joe Scarborough to make each other smile all evening.
The guys on the Fox anchor desks are busy, too. Writes the Times:
"After the first statue of Saddam Hussein fell in Baghdad, Neal Cavuto, an anchor, delivered a message to those '"who oppose the liberation of Iraq." '"You were sickening then, your are sickening now."' Another Fox anchor, John Gibson, said he hoped Iraq's reconstruction would not be left to '"the dopey old UN."'
How long will it be before CNN caves? It doesn't fly the American flag in the corner, because it wants to consider itself an international news station. But Walt Isaacson has Washington's Republican leadership on his Rolodex. He visited them all last year
'''What Fox is doing, and what MSNBC is also delcaring by its product is that one can be unabashadly patriotic and be a good news journalist at the same time,:" says Brent Bozell, a guy who gets linked quite a bit around here said in the Times artcile.
But Andrew Heyward, president of CBS News says the stations are panicking and fears will be soon be a race to out-right Fox.
"What I would not like to see happen is legitimate debate stifled, or journalists' skepticism, heated journalistic inquiry, somehow dampened by a flock of Fox imitators."
Does the dominance of Fox News in the war coverage cable ratings prove that you better give people what they want to hear in order to be successful?
It it is unbiased reporting of facts so I can make my own decision instead of being spoonfed twisted opinion, then yes.
How long will it be before CNN caves? It doesn't fly the American flag in the corner, because it wants to consider itself an international news station.
CNN prefers to bend over and take it from totalitarian regimes.
It it is unbiased reporting of facts so I can make my own decision instead of being spoonfed twisted opinion, then yes.
Like this?
Also from Rick's link:
The American news media have been here before. Newspaper headlines in World War II clearly backed the Allies. In 1944, The New York Times used the following headline above a photo essay about an air raid: "We Strike at the Japs."
btw: Good to see you, Rick.
maybe in jethro's mind those are facts, jt.
Hey they can have their opinion, too. And there is no question those comments, if accurate, are opinion. Try to get that from CNN and the networks. They report their opinions as fact and bury their opinion in stories where it is hard to differentiate.
maybe in jethro's mind those are facts, jt.
Maybe you should wait until I comment before you play psychic because you don't play that role very well.
I don't have cable , but I read the Foxnews.com site all the time. There's no denying Fox is biased.
Of course, so is the New York Times.
It appears from the quote in '44 that the Times is willing to look at its own coverage as well and find faults. I think that's encouraging.
Why do you say the Times is biased?
There's no denying Fox is biased.
I think they are up front with their reporting and opinions. They seem to do a good job of seperating the two.
Why do you say the Times is biased?
Is he serious with this question?
Why do you say the Times is biased?
You're kidding, right?
Do you deny the Times has a Liberal bias?
I think they are up front with their reporting and opinions. They seem to do a good job of seperating the two.
No more so than the Times is.
I know when I read Fox, it's going to be Conservative biased. When I read the Times, I know it will be Liberal biased.
i never claimed to be playing psychic, jethro. i'd honestly like to see anyone find me a news source that isn't biased one way or the other. they simply don't exist.
Do I get an answer or not?
Why do you say the Times is biased?
Because it is.
All it takes is a little reading to figure it out.
Do I need to provide Liberally biased stories to prove it?
Do you deny it's Liberally biased?
"Because it is."
OK
No more so than the Times is. I disagree.
I know when I read Fox, it's going to be Conservative biased. When I read the Times, I know it will be Liberal biased. I think you see a conservative bias because compared with liberal news sources such as CNN and the Times it appears conservative. I think Fox does a good job reporting straight news. Of course they have opinion shows but the news seems straight forward.
Fine, Don't admit it.
I'll provide you with examples when I have more time.
You and Bill Fold attend a convention this past week or something?
I attended no convention. My wife and I were on Maui.
I think Fox does a good job reporting straight news.
You attend the convention as well?
I attended no convention. My wife and I were on Maui.
Bastard!
:-)
Hope you had a great time.
If anyone tells you that Hawai'i is paradise, believe them.
Someday...
Maybe when the kids are older.
You attend the convention as well?
Not the same one, of course!
I attended no convention. My wife and I were on Maui.
Bastard!
what thx said. tenfold. :)
Duane Barry, over and out
BTW:
You've already provided and example of bias in the Times.
"The American news media have been here before. Newspaper headlines in World War II clearly backed the Allies. In 1944, The New York Times used the following headline above a photo essay about an air raid: "We Strike at the Japs."'
I'm sure there are others. The Times has been around awhile. They don't do everything right. But to pick and choose little pieces you will lose context. So don't bother with searching them out.
You've already provided and example of bias in the Times.
Why would you consider that an example of Liberal Bias?
I like the Times. I'm just saying their biased and I realize that when I'm reading it.