Shoot the Breeze With the Cooler Crew - Peoplesforum Edition

Bummer!

well, i've been looking for a reason to go out and buy a second processor for the thing anyway. this just gives me a reason to buy the fastest one available nowdays. maybe 2 of them :)

BTW, I think Legends of the Cooler Crew: the Clownz and Doink has been kidnapped/stolen. A real asshole picked it up to take to California. I told him it stays in Ramsey County. The civil discussion ended there.

Yo.. Ian.. is that ninja actually from around here? You got his e-mail address?

I can contact him through the geocache website, but not directly. At least not yet. I'm waiting to see what happens when he actually gets to California.

Stay tuned.

Good night of hockey for the state of MN last night!

mornin' ralph.

cooling fan died.

gotta go with one of these, because the motherboard only takes athlon mp chips, not xp chips.

yeah but that's the price you pay for needing (and getting) it nowand not having to wait for shipping.

I saw Tim the Hunters dad on tv last night
I almost went to the WILD game at the Excel last night (watch the game on the big screen tv at Excel for $5)but didn't make it.

Watching the news last night I saw Tims dad many times and I am guessing that was Tims sholder next to him :)

you know this is weird...for some reason the other day I must have bumped my cellphone and the screen went to all BIG font (like if I needed glasses)I don't know how to change it back-gotta find the instructions booklet.

that same day the FORUM went to all BIG font!
my computer is the same as always, its just the forum website that went big on me.

I don't like it.

A tribute to AW :)

How Do You Catch A Unique Rabbit?
Unique Up On It.

How Do You Catch A Tame Rabbit?
Tame Way, Unique Up On It.

Ian I was playing around with your picture on my illustrator program.

Congratulations Gophers! First back-to-back national champs since 1972! Whoo-hoo!!

Dumb asses! WTF? I'd like to personally kick the ass of that fat ass drunk behind the reporter on 4! If you're out there 'dude' I love to have a 'talk' with you. Upside your F-in head!

Too bad for the Wild tho huh?
They're home for their next 2 games anyway!!!! Bring it on!

No, I'm watching the St Louis/Vancouver game. Looting and pillaging in Dinkytown?

guys guys guys...are you trying not to think about sex?
always about the sports

Anyone watch ED the other night? I totally missed the finally.
Who did Ed pick? who did he tell to wait he was coming to her?

well, we were trying not to think about it, but now that you've walked in... ;)

WoW! how did the fire start if I may ask?
I recall hearing no smoking and no candles allowed in dorm rooms.
I have heard college students have trouble cooking...did you burn something?

I don't know about that. The kind of stuff that happens in a situation like that isn't something you would expect a sane person to do. But I think a sort of mob mentality sets in and a person could almost claim temporary insanity. I don't believe these students are really just riotous thugs incapable of contributing to society. Consequently I don't know that it would really be a good idea to effectively destroy their future over one night of insanity. I would think they certainly ought to be made to pay restitution and maybe have some other penalties imposed, but if you take away their chance to still make something of themselves, something that has such a long lasting effect, then I would think you've actually probably increased the chances that they will be a problem in the future because they will have less to lose.

I had a fire start in my dorm my senior year right under my room in the lobby. Someone fell asleep on the couch while smoking.

geesh AW, sometimes I feel like I am talking with the spirit of Socrates.

But if I were Socrates, wouldn't I be asking you questions?

maybe you are.

I just wanted you allto know ...

you are all like a good bra to me...

Hard to Find
Supportive
Comfortable
Uplifting
And Always Close To My Heart!!!

and I thank you for your support ;)

hehe. there's a comment to be made there, me2, but in a rare display of restraint, i'm not gonna make it.

As for the rioters, yes they probably are good kids but to many of these kids the punishment that thye would recieve wouldn't "hurt" them in one bit. Mommy and Daddy would pay the restitution. Also in society Rioting/looting isn't seen as that "big" of a deal.

Look at it this way Looting in a way is the act of knowingly forcefully removing or taking something from someone else. At least that definition could apply. This dfefinition could also be used for date rape. Where I went to school they had a near zero tolerence on violations. Date rape was one. If you were found guilty by the judicial board you were gone. You also paid a visit to the local police dept. To me I wouldn't have thougt about doing anything to risk my education. But I also knew that if I did my parents would've beat the c--p out of me when I returned home.

Honestly those students that really truly care about their education and the school has a known zero tolerence policy, I don't think you would have seen that big of a gathering.

I'm just amazed of how similar Baghdad and Dikytown looked the other night. It's sad. If all it takes is a college hockey team to win a championship to release the fire starting, looting dumbshit inside of you, you really don't stand much of a chance anyway. Your 'hidden' personality will eventually get the best of you regardless. Then again age is a huge factor since I can easily see my old dumbass self doing the same shit years ago. That's why it pisses me off so much now. What the hell was going on in my head? Nothing. Period. I needed my ass kicked years ago to set me straight earlier. So do these kids.

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Life wasn't designed for zero tolerance policies.

When are people going to start taking resposibility for their actions? If I go out drinking and then drive I should expect to be thrown in jail, because the law is such. Or maybe I shuold be given a chance and allowed to go home because I have never had a DWI before, and my ride left me, the bartender kept serving me even though I couldn't walk straight, people kept egging me on to drink more because it was a game they were playing on me to see how drunk I could get.

Life wasn't designed for zero tolerance policies.

Maybe not life but institutions deserve the right to have them. Obviously zero should never mean zero depending on the individual circumstances, but as the owner of a company I deserve the right to fire someone on the basis of their actions if made public. I would owe it to the rest of the employees (students) so they can perform to the best of their ability. It usually only effects a minor percentage of people who would eventually hang themselves anyway.

Me2, I taped Ed and watched it on Sat. Ed was talking to Carol on MOlly's cell and told her to stay put. She was sitting on the bench where they saw eachother when he came back 3 years ago. He told her how he had decided to pick Frankie because he thought maybe she (Carol) was right in thinking that he just put her on a pedestal and didn't really love her. Then he spent all day driving around trying to find her to tell her and every place he went was memories of them together and he realized she was wrong. He loved HER--they need to be together. She asked if she could kiss him, and they smooched and then it ended. It was very sweet!!! I love that guy! :)

Obviously zero should never mean zero depending on the individual circumstances, but as the owner of a company I deserve the right to fire someone on the basis of their actions if made public.

Well that's not really a zero tolerance policy then. That's just a matter of firing someone when you feel like they need to be fired. Zero tolerance means never allowing for circumstances. If a kid brings in a ceremonial dagger for show and tell, he gets expelled for bringing a knife to school. Zero tolerance. It's a simple solution for people who like things to be simple and not have to think.

The problem is though without zero tolerence the system can be beat by those that are of wealth, popularity.

Then the problem is that those who are responsible for the punishments aren't doing a good job and should probably be replaced. The answer isn't necessarily to believe you can create a policy that will apply equally well to all situations. It reminds me of the movie "War Games". In the beginning, the military officer is unable to proceed with the launch of a nuclear weapon. So they decide to eliminate the human factor and automate the whole thing, but that just created different problems because they couldn't stop the nuclear attack when it turned out they did want to. Zero tolerance policies are basically automations that have to be applied in every case, even if it's a bad idea.

Since one of the principles in this country is innocent until proven guilty with the idea that it's better to let a guilty person go free than it is to punish an innocent party, I think you can use that same logic to argue against zero tolerance policies.

Why should society have to tolerate rioters?

I didn't say they had to. I'm saying they should have the option to though if it seems like the prudent thing to do.

Why should society have to allow them in class, when they lack total respect for society?

Hmmm, do you mean they have a "total lack of respect", or did you really mean they "lack total respect"? If it was the latter, how many people genuinely have a total respect for society? Otherwise, assuming you meant the former, it's an assumption to say they have a lack of respect based on a single action. Don't we all make mistakes? Should our whole life always be judged on who we were at our worst moment? I would bet that there are people who participated in the riot that if you asked them why they did it, they couldn't even tell you why and they themselves can't believe what they did. To impose a zero tolerance policy and say "oh well, you did it, now your whole life is screwed" seems to me to be a policy that wouldn't really benefit anyone. It doesn't undo what was already done. The person may already be sorry for what happened and probably wouldn't do it again anyway, and it wouldn't necessarily prevent it from happening again, because obviously these people were in a state of mind that they weren't considering the rational consequences of their actions.

Now I'm not saying just let them all go. Some may be just genuinely rowdy and may need to be taught a lesson. But we don't know that's the case for each and every one of them. Some of them may have just gotten caught up in something and lost control. Treating them the same way and ruining their future would be needlessly unproductive.

If you cross the street without looking, you just might get run over by a Mack truck and killed.

I'd call that zero tolerance.

It's tolerated every time you cross the street without looking and don't get hit.

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of 'one strike and you're out' instead of zero tolerance. If someone's found guilty of actions that are disruptive to another whole, then that individual should be released from that whole. I guess I'm not all that fond of treating all situations as one. I could be a guy taking pictures and staying out of the way of the police just when the mob decided to rush in and create chaos making me part of the scene. Then I'm arrested and treated the same as the idiots who were in the mob? I don't think so. And for those of you who think that the presence of the media helps start things, think again. It was already going to happen regardless if the media was there or not. Those guys in the background showing off for the cameras deserve to be caught because their stupid enough to break the law in front of a camera. I would personally cover my face or run the other way. But then again, who's thinking of that when they can't even determine the difference between right and wrong in the first place.

On another note; Do you see it's 88 outside right now? The record was 85 in 1954. I'll be we crack 90 today! Off to go play in the sprinkler with the kid. Have fun at work people. ;o)

All they then have to do is call a curfew.

When? After it's already started? I don't think you can do that without prior notice. Or do you mean call one for every night?

Anyone on the street can be arrested.

What about other people who were out doing more legitimate things?

Well, it doesn't take a genius to know, if you see riot police, it's a good idea to get your butt off the street and not stand around gawking.

It's not a crime to stand around. You shouldn't get sprayed in the face for it.

Their lives are not going to be ruined. We're not talking capital punishment here. No one's life is being irreparably damaged. We're talking about a school saying, "Goodbye, we don't want you here, go someplace else.".

That can have a pretty strong effect on your life, especially if they never do graduate which is a good possibility.

I guess I must have been too protected by my parents because I was brought up to respect the police and my elders, if they asked me to do something I did it right away. I addressed all people of my parents age as Mr. Mrs, or Sir, Maam. I never had the second chance if I did something worng I was going to get it, because I was raised to know better. Damn my parents for being so strict on me and teaching me that if I was going to make it in the rule I needed to play by the rules because if I didn't I would suffer the consequences.

AW: you bring up the fact that if a child brought a ceremonial sword to school and he got suspended because the school had a zero tolerance rule. Why should that happen? Well let's see who's to blame for this student not following school rules? These rules are already set before school starts, they are handed out at orientation or the first day of school. Ignorance is not an excpetable excuse for not following the rules. Anyways, what reason should a stuident be allowed to bring a sword to school? It is a weapon. Does that mean in your thinking that a child should be able to bring their brand new shotgun they got for their birthday? Weapons don't belong in school. who's to say that another student doesn't see the sword and steal it and start stabbing people?