Sorry Rick but I do not listen to Savage Nation. Those are my words. I was going to use stronger langauge but did't want to offend anyone with what I really think of this dirt bag. This is the same guy that wanted to bring back the draft. He tried this because he thought the ratio of balck to white people on the front lines was disproportionatly balck. Of course he was proven wong on that too.
"I just don't believe that you bomb women and children in order to enforce [the U.N. resolution on Iraq]," the Harlem Democrat told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Thursday night.
When challenged on his claim that U.S. forces were killing Iraqi children, Rangel said sarcastically, "You're right. They're shooting themselves. They just don't know they're being liberated."
"I just don't believe that you bomb women and children in order to enforce [the U.N. resolution on Iraq]," the Harlem Democrat told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Thursday night.
When challenged on his claim that U.S. forces were killing Iraqi children, Rangel said sarcastically, "You're right. They're shooting themselves. They just don't know they're being liberated."
This IS what he said, I watched it live and I about popped a blood vessel. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, this liberal piece of excrement said after is just CYA. He said what he said and now he is running for cover. He is a real piece of work. I wonder what his voting record is on military and VA budgets? I think I will research that.
You find a spot where I've picked on Trent Lott, before you start accusing me of it.
It's the Republicans that left him to twist in the wind.
Remember this coversation?
Rick - (PFID:f4405cc) - 05:41pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 3591 of 4151) "And when the broken-hearted people, living in the world agree/There will be an answer/Let it be" Lennon and McCartney
Dan: "No cries for him to be thrown out of office?"
I didn't want to see Lott thrown out. I felt sorry for him. If I were him, I don't think I could have stayed in the Senate. And I would have quit partially to spite the Republican jerks who would not stand with me when the chips were down.
So "at its face value" Lott says that unnamed problems would have been avoided if the United States elected a president in the 1940s who ran on a platform of segregation? And he was proud of his home state's support of the candidate.
I do give you credit for not wanting him to be tossed out though.
I never did learn what problems he was referring to.
Then you did not listen very well when we were explaining that it was just a joke to make an old man feel good. Nothing more was meant by it. Just as if I were to say the same thing only using your name instead. Doesn't mean that I am endorsing your oppinions, just a joke. The laughter while he was saying it should have been a clue.
I think it was because you too saw him as too racially-insensitive
Actually, I didn't care about Lott's statements and I didn't see it as racist.
I dislike the man for other reasons.
Yes, he made a stupid comment. But it was innocent and made to joke with a man that's older than dirt. To make an old guy feel good on his birthday.
Rangel on the other hand, offered up a very specific and extreme hypothesis. Then, he had the stupidity to verify it and validate it once more when called to task on it.
As I said, one comment was an off the cuff remark at an old mans birthday party, where people were joking and laughing. No malice was intended and there was nothing racist about it.
The other was a well thought out hypothesis, that until he realized what an idiot he was, he continued to back. I forget his exact words but when questioned, he verified his comments and stuck to them.
I was little worried about the reaction that the world might see to the singing of "Oh, Canada" before the start of the Twins -- Blue Jays game last night, but I was wrong. With all the patriotic symbolism, and the first pitch from Kuwait City and the cross-border political tension I thought there was the possibility of a nationalistic tinged scene. There were only a few boos from the cheap seats in left-center.
Most everyone settled down and stood respectively during both national anthems.
I should have known. Twins fans are a pretty polite group for the most part. You don't hear the language that you hear at a lot of ballparks.
Catching up on the strangeness I found that the head of the Hall of Fame chose to cancel the 15th year celebration of the release of "Bull Durham" because he doesn't like the politics of Tim Robbins and Susan Serandon.
In the genre of romantic comedy, which is usually filled with predictable stupidity this is a funny, intelligent movie. I have it on VHS and watch it ever once in awhile. Good soundtrack, too.
There's a creep named Dale Petroskey running the Hall, who chooses to make this a political decision and turn the Hall of Fame into his ideological fiefdom. Guess what?-- Petroskey was the former assistant press secretary under Ronald Reagan. Is that a surprise, or what?
The New York Times writes:
"Mr. Petroskey...seems to be suffering from a short memory. His own boss, Mr. Reagan was not thee least bit shy in using his prominence as an actor to advance his ideological agenda. Our guess is that this whole thing is not about anybody's politics but Mr. Petroskey's."
The thing with this situation, as is my understanding, is that this Hall of Fame guy just assumed that Robbins was going to make this celebration a political event. Robbins wanted to just enjoy the HOF with his family and celebrate the movie Bull Durham. Robbins said Petroskey never called him about it, which I think he should have. I may not agree with Robbins and Sarandon for their opinions, but I think Petroskey is the one who really screwed up here.
Sorry Rick but I do not listen to Savage Nation. Those are my words. I was going to use stronger langauge but did't want to offend anyone with what I really think of this dirt bag. This is the same guy that wanted to bring back the draft. He tried this because he thought the ratio of balck to white people on the front lines was disproportionatly balck. Of course he was proven wong on that too.
Anything else?
I don't even know who Mike Savage is, but Rangel sounds like a piece of garbage to me.
Wow! First he says our troops are intentionally killing civilians, then they're in need of our appreciation?
I don't think I was overboard.
I think his true feelings came out when he made that comment.
He's garbage.
Here we go again.
I never served, therefore I have no right to say.
What does that mean?
He said what he truly felt
The man is garbage.
I say we send his ass over there so he can get a first hand perspective on how our troops are intentionally killing civilians.
And you know you're "Men", don't ya sailor?
Anyway, try to keep your anger in control and stop from making it personal, OK?
So, you mean he put his tail between his legs when he realized he actually said out loud what he's been thinking all along?
This wasn't just a case of a stupid comment. This was a well thought out hypothesis on his part.
I'd love to know what those fighting in Iraq think of him.
You're right, he didn't say exactly that.
I don't have his exact words here, but he did suggest our troops were deliberatly or intentionally killing women and children in Iraq.
Same difference in my mind.
LOL
FU too Bill Fold
::kiss::
and he WAS a soldier, and he has more respect for what the troops are going through than you will EVER know.
That's right, I was never a soldier or a sailor, therefore I don't know squat and should just shut up.
God, I may not even be a citizen for all you know.
Maybe I should be blocked from these forums?
FYI: I'm not pissed in the least.
You're the one who's ready to pop a blood vessel.
Before I leave, here's Rangel, in his own words:
"I just don't believe that you bomb women and children in order to enforce [the U.N. resolution on Iraq]," the Harlem Democrat told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Thursday night.
When challenged on his claim that U.S. forces were killing Iraqi children, Rangel said sarcastically, "You're right. They're shooting themselves. They just don't know they're being liberated."
Whatever, Bill Fold.
Have a nice day.
I gotta go fix a leaky faucet.
Geez, Bill, you're feisty today :)
"I just don't believe that you bomb women and children in order to enforce [the U.N. resolution on Iraq]," the Harlem Democrat told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Thursday night.
When challenged on his claim that U.S. forces were killing Iraqi children, Rangel said sarcastically, "You're right. They're shooting themselves. They just don't know they're being liberated."
This IS what he said, I watched it live and I about popped a blood vessel. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, this liberal piece of excrement said after is just CYA. He said what he said and now he is running for cover. He is a real piece of work. I wonder what his voting record is on military and VA budgets? I think I will research that.
Charlie Rangel hasbeen around the block several times. And many can claim, but no one can truly see into another's heart.
He'll survive the ankle-biters.
Rangels voting record.
HR 4546 National Defense Auth act voted no.
HR 2586 Defense Auth Anti terrorism task force, voted no
HR 2561 Defense appropriations, voted no
HR 2465 Military Construction Appropriations, voted yes
HR 4059 Military Constr, Appr. Did not vote
HR 2631 Mil Const. line item veto, voted no
HR 1119 Reduce Fiscal 1998 Auth voted yes
HR 2266 Freeze FY 1998 Def spending voted yes
HR 2684 VA/HUD Approp for FY 2000 did not vote
HR 2684 Amendment Did not vote
HR 4194 VA HUD Approp Voted NO
HR 1158 VA National Service voted yes
HR 2099 and HJR 134 Increase VA funding voted yes.
Seems to me when it comes to funding the military he votes no or for cuts. I will give him that he favors funding and funding increases for the VA.
Forgot to provide the link I used...
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And many can claim, but no one can truly see into another's heart.
Remember that next time you pick on Trent Lott or anyone else.
You find a spot where I've picked on Trent Lott, before you start accusing me of it.
It's the Republicans that left him to twist in the wind.
Remember this coversation?
Rick - (PFID:f4405cc) - 05:41pm Jan 23, 2003 PST (# 3591 of 4151)
"And when the broken-hearted people, living in the world agree/There will be an answer/Let it be" Lennon and McCartney
Dan: "No cries for him to be thrown out of office?"
I didn't want to see Lott thrown out. I felt sorry for him. If I were him, I don't think I could have stayed in the Senate. And I would have quit partially to spite the Republican jerks who would not stand with me when the chips were down.
You find a spot where I've picked on Trent Lott, before you start accusing me of it.
Sounds somewhat accusing to me.
I do give you credit for not wanting him to be tossed out though.
I never did learn what problems he was referring to.
Did he ever really say?
Yeah, I bet you do...Maybe take the "Garbage" out, too?
That's funny because I actually did take out the garbage as well.
I never did learn what problems he was referring to.
Then you did not listen very well when we were explaining that it was just a joke to make an old man feel good. Nothing more was meant by it. Just as if I were to say the same thing only using your name instead. Doesn't mean that I am endorsing your oppinions, just a joke. The laughter while he was saying it should have been a clue.
Well Dan, THX claimed Trent Lott was an IDIOT more times than I can count
He is an idiot.
At least I'm consistent.
You're giving Rangel a pass, were you so easy on Lott?
Why don't you take your vitriol out on him today...?
He is not being hypocritical.
Is he being hypocritical for taking people to task from both parties in your eyes?
JT, YOU didn't give Lott a "Pass" either.
My point exactly.
No, he thinks you're a hypocrite.
I think it was because you too saw him as too racially-insensitive
Actually, I didn't care about Lott's statements and I didn't see it as racist.
I dislike the man for other reasons.
Yes, he made a stupid comment. But it was innocent and made to joke with a man that's older than dirt. To make an old guy feel good on his birthday.
Rangel on the other hand, offered up a very specific and extreme hypothesis. Then, he had the stupidity to verify it and validate it once more when called to task on it.
No, they're quite different.
As I said, one comment was an off the cuff remark at an old mans birthday party, where people were joking and laughing. No malice was intended and there was nothing racist about it.
The other was a well thought out hypothesis, that until he realized what an idiot he was, he continued to back. I forget his exact words but when questioned, he verified his comments and stuck to them.
" No malice was intended and there was nothing racist about it."
I hope not.
You have to stretch his comments pretty far to reach the conclusion that they were racist.
Seems like Lott must have felt some need.
He shook hands with every African American within 60 miles of the capital.
I'm sure he did feel a need.
The Left was stretching his comments as far as they could, trying to paint him as a racist and pushing for as much mileage as possible.
I'd be out there too if I was him. Doing nothing would only serve the Left.
And what Rangel did and what Lott did, were one and the exact same thing.
But Lott is an idiot and Rangel is just being picked on. Got it.
Thought you were more intelligent than that.
give it up, fold.
Nice, fold, real nice. And they say I am the one that instigates confrontation.
I wonder about this all the time.
How many of the vocal protesters you see in the news and all over the Internet. voted Green Party in the 2000 presidential election?
The George W. Bush they hate, they helped elect. They might just as well as walked into the voting booth and pulled the lever for him.
And they BOTH made their comments in a moment of high-emotion.
Rangel reconfirmed his stance on the issue when asked about it later.
I was little worried about the reaction that the world might see to the singing of "Oh, Canada" before the start of the Twins -- Blue Jays game last night, but I was wrong. With all the patriotic symbolism, and the first pitch from Kuwait City and the cross-border political tension I thought there was the possibility of a nationalistic tinged scene. There were only a few boos from the cheap seats in left-center.
Most everyone settled down and stood respectively during both national anthems.
I should have known. Twins fans are a pretty polite group for the most part. You don't hear the language that you hear at a lot of ballparks.
Hope the bahavior continues through the series.
Tim Robbins says he didn't know baseball was a Republican sport
Catching up on the strangeness I found that the head of the Hall of Fame chose to cancel the 15th year celebration of the release of "Bull Durham" because he doesn't like the politics of Tim Robbins and Susan Serandon.
In the genre of romantic comedy, which is usually filled with predictable stupidity this is a funny, intelligent movie. I have it on VHS and watch it ever once in awhile. Good soundtrack, too.
There's a creep named Dale Petroskey running the Hall, who chooses to make this a political decision and turn the Hall of Fame into his ideological fiefdom. Guess what?-- Petroskey was the former assistant press secretary under Ronald Reagan. Is that a surprise, or what?
The New York Times writes:
"Mr. Petroskey...seems to be suffering from a short memory. His own boss, Mr. Reagan was not thee least bit shy in using his prominence as an actor to advance his ideological agenda. Our guess is that this whole thing is not about anybody's politics but Mr. Petroskey's."
who chooses to make this a political decision and turn the Hall of Fame into his ideological fiefdom.
It's just stupid.
Petroskey shouldn't be using his position to push his politics.
Of course, neither should Robbins/Sarandon.
So, I guess it washes out in the end.
"Of course, neither should Robbins/Sarandon."
Why?
I don't think it washes out either. It's an unfair use of the power he has as the head of the Hall of Fame.
Because of their position.
Why should they be able to use their position for their politics, but not Petroskey?
They have a right to be active and have an opinion like any other private citizen.
But Petroskey is not actiing as a private citizen as head of the Hall of Fame.
The thing with this situation, as is my understanding, is that this Hall of Fame guy just assumed that Robbins was going to make this celebration a political event. Robbins wanted to just enjoy the HOF with his family and celebrate the movie Bull Durham. Robbins said Petroskey never called him about it, which I think he should have. I may not agree with Robbins and Sarandon for their opinions, but I think Petroskey is the one who really screwed up here.
In Strange Times, people make unexplainable decisions.