The importance of a Grand Welcome-Home for our people in uniform, cannot be overstated.
Indeed. Here is a lesser known welcome home that they recieved from family, friends and others. The Freepers even held a rally there for our heroes in uniform.
Would you mind telling me about that? Either in this forum or e-gram me if it is too personal. I find the stories that veterans tell to be fascinating for some reason.
I have helped my wife research her family history and we stumbled onto some amazing stories. Her father has a book about his side and there is someone in every American war from the Revolution on down through history. Her great-grandfather was one of the "Rough Riders" and her grandfather had 2 brothers that were in WWII. One of the brothers earned the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Army Commendation Medal with two oak leaf clusters, and the Purple Heart while there. There are some amazing stories about him.
Sorry to ramble on, but as I said, I find it fascinating.
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag."
My great grandparents served in WWI, my grandparents in WWII, My uncles and father in Vietnam, and myself in Desert storm and Gulf War. Seems to me this war thing comes around every generation or so.
My Mom's father was a POW captured after Normandy and spent several months at a prison camp before being freed by Russian forces. He passed away a few years back and when my grandmother died last fall, we found his Red Cross POW journal. He wrote many things almost daily about life in the prison camp, things he would not talk about while he was alive. It is something that I will ponder greatly this Memorial Day. Not everyone makes it home, and some that do have horrors to remind them of war the rest of their lives.
I'm one of the lucky ones that made it 6 years unscratched. To those not as fortunate as I, I salute you.
Let it go. I have talked to many who have spent time in the military. Some are willing to talk about it and others aren't for various reasons and I never push them into it. Thoses that were in Vietnam usually don't like to talk about it which leaves me to believe they saw some shit that they would rather forget. Also, as Fold says, somethings seem to be used against you here. So if he would rather not talk, let's just drop it.
...we found his Red Cross POW journal.
An amazing find. Make sure the whole family gets a copy of it.
You know what? I am getting really paranoid when I here a "beep, beep, beep" coming from the TV. When you heard that this last weekend, it was ah shit not again! =)
Well I'd probably give you more than you wanted to know, it's my passion so it'd be like asking Kurt to tell you about the civil war. You might be there a while ;). E-gram me or leave me a message anytime, I'd be more than happy to.
MAHAWEEL, Iraq — American soldiers were helping villagers pull thousands of bodies out of a mass grave (search) in central Iraq on Wednesday. About 3,000 corpses have been exhumed so far, and U.S. military officials say the total could reach 11,000.
Many of the victims are believed to have been murdered during the 1991 Shiite revolt against Saddam Hussein's (search) regime.
"About 20 percent of them were buried alive, because they had no bullet wounds, but their hands were tied and they were blindfolded," said Amer Shumri, an official from the governor's office in Hillah.
Fox News learned that 719 bodies -- including women and children -- were identified through documents found on or near the bodies.
The mass grave in this village outside Hillah, 60 miles south of Baghdad, is the largest found in Iraq since U.S. forces overthrew Saddam and his Baath Party (search) government last month. It's believed there may be dozens more sites like it in Iraq.
Hundreds of people from nearby towns and villages watched from behind a barbed-wire barrier as sets of remains were pulled from the field and set aside wrapped in plastic bags, sheets and blankets. Some of the skulls still had tufts of long hair, and officials said they probably were women.
People searched desperately for anything that could help identify the dead. Faded identity cards, certain dental structures, wallets, eyeglasses and broken bones were among the clues people looked for to try to identify family members who were among the 200,000 people who disappeared in Iraq during the past decade.
Bushra Jabbar, 43, was overcome by grief when the bodies of her mother and two sisters were dug up. She threw the dirt from the graves over her own head, as if to bury herself with it, Reuters reported.
"Here they are. These are the bodies of my mother and my two sisters," said Jabbar, sitting in the dirt and wailing as workers dug up her loved ones' remains. She said she recognized her mother from her long braided hair and her golden jewelry.
Many of the onlookers were weeping, and some chanted: "There is no God but God, and the Baath (Party) is the enemy of God." Several women were holding pictures of their missing men.
One woman wailed and wept while holding up an old picture of a loved one she was searching for, waving her arm toward the tattered clothes still on the bones of victims at her feet.
Some Iraqis told Fox News reporters on the scene that they wanted to say "thank you" to U.S. and coalition forces for getting rid of Saddam -- "the worst man that ever lived on this earth."
Wednesday's excavation came two days after Iraqis pulled bodies from another recently discovered mass grave near the southern city of Basra. That site was believed to contain remains of up to 150 Shiite Muslims killed by Saddam's regime after a rebellion in 1999.
Human rights groups believe Iraq is dotted with mass graves.
Remember, Bush is Hitler and it was all about oil.
Perhaps those folks should remember those that stood by and let this happen but helped this murdering piece of shit. I hope they remember the cost of those actions and inactions.
Damn! I just can't even imagine what it would be like to try and identify a loved ones body among so many others. You would have to go insane eventually. Maybe pictures of these mass graves will help those 'shy' countries realize just what the hell was going on over there. It doesn't sound much different than Nazi Germany was back 60 years ago.
I can't imagine either. Some said they could recognize their loved ones by their clothes jewelry or their hair. It had to be horrid. The sad part is that their are apparently mass graves all over Iraq.
Maybe pictures of these mass graves will help those 'shy' countries realize just what the hell was going on over there. It doesn't sound much different than Nazi Germany was back 60 years ago.
It is IMO, tortured and dead means tortured and dead. I wonder if they ever will get it, I really do, regardless of the motives or leaders who made the decision to go it was the right one in the end. For those who didn't and won't get it I say shame on them. Some aided him at the very end as well that's even more shameful I hope history remembers those killed and those who took action and those who didn't and aided this serial killer and his goons.
The importance of a Grand Welcome-Home for our people in uniform, cannot be overstated.
Indeed. Here is a lesser known welcome home that they recieved from family, friends and others. The Freepers even held a rally there for our heroes in uniform.
during my time in the Navy...
Would you mind telling me about that? Either in this forum or e-gram me if it is too personal. I find the stories that veterans tell to be fascinating for some reason.
I have helped my wife research her family history and we stumbled onto some amazing stories. Her father has a book about his side and there is someone in every American war from the Revolution on down through history. Her great-grandfather was one of the "Rough Riders" and her grandfather had 2 brothers that were in WWII. One of the brothers earned the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Army Commendation Medal with two oak leaf clusters, and the Purple Heart while there. There are some amazing stories about him.
Sorry to ramble on, but as I said, I find it fascinating.
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier,
Who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protestor to burn the flag."
Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC
I guess the Good Father considers reporters in the same league as flag-burners and ragged, angry campus organizers.
Seeems to me, military got bang for their buck with the way they worked with the media in this most recent conflict.
I've read this poem before. Father O'Brien seems to me to have a chip on his shoulder.
I meant your time and that's fine if you do not wish to say more, I understand.
Are you ok fold?
My great grandparents served in WWI, my grandparents in WWII, My uncles and father in Vietnam, and myself in Desert storm and Gulf War. Seems to me this war thing comes around every generation or so.
My Mom's father was a POW captured after Normandy and spent several months at a prison camp before being freed by Russian forces. He passed away a few years back and when my grandmother died last fall, we found his Red Cross POW journal. He wrote many things almost daily about life in the prison camp, things he would not talk about while he was alive. It is something that I will ponder greatly this Memorial Day. Not everyone makes it home, and some that do have horrors to remind them of war the rest of their lives.
I'm one of the lucky ones that made it 6 years unscratched. To those not as fortunate as I, I salute you.
Are you ok fold?
Let it go. I have talked to many who have spent time in the military. Some are willing to talk about it and others aren't for various reasons and I never push them into it. Thoses that were in Vietnam usually don't like to talk about it which leaves me to believe they saw some shit that they would rather forget. Also, as Fold says, somethings seem to be used against you here. So if he would rather not talk, let's just drop it.
...we found his Red Cross POW journal.
An amazing find. Make sure the whole family gets a copy of it.
I just wanted to hear about the bar fights at Subic Bay.
I doubt it fold. I was bigger than you are now when I was 14.
Torpedo-8?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Good one THX!
Was that the guy in the Green Mile?
Put it this way fold. I was 6'-1", 200 lbs when I was 13.
I don't like to be a braggart like you fold, BUT, with a 33" waist and a 48" chest, I would squash you like a bug...boy.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good god what's next? Meet me by the flag pole after school?
:::Rolls Eyes:::
I was just jerk'in him Wolvie.
What's the news there today? I heard that you guys might be actually catching a break weatherwise.
I Just Take off My Right Leg and Beat People With it....
I Just Take off My Right Leg and Beat People With it....
LOL!
Sorry, that's sort of twisted, yet funny.
I can see it now.
COP-"How'd ya get your nose broke boy"?
VICTIM-"Some guy I lipped off to, took off his leg and beat me with it". "Honest ossifer".
COP-"Assume the position dirt bag". "You be go'in downtown".
Once again, obscene language and ANOTHER reference to a "gland".
Sad and Pathetic. Don't you wish you had something else going on in your life?
You know what? I am getting really paranoid when I here a "beep, beep, beep" coming from the TV. When you heard that this last weekend, it was ah shit not again! =)
I hope the weather there calms down for you sooner rather than later. Sorry no pun intended. We'll send you some cool dry air if we can.
Did you have any damage Wolvie?
Other than mental damage of course?
Did you have any damage Wolvie?
Just a little hail damage to the roof. I don't even think it needs to be repaired.
Other than mental damage of course?
Screw you CM and meet me by the flagpole after school.
Wolvie, I'd kick your ass for CM if you didn't live so damn far away.
Gee such tough talk. Makes me afraid to post here almost.
Can't ya just smell the testosterone?
::pounds chest with fists::
THX 1138 5/13/03 4:49pm
ROFL... Is that what that smell is. I knew it was familiar.
Is that what that smell is.
::checks bottom of shoes::
Yep, that's what that smell is!
THX 1138 5/13/03 4:53pm
Damn it. Pass the windex and a paper towel.
It's Bush. The swagger has rubbed off.
Rick 5/13/03 4:56pm
Bush swaggers?
The swagger has rubbed off.
Wouldn't you like to have a swagger too?
I used to swagger, then I got it repaired, I pulled to the left like a 78 Nova.
Luv2Fly 5/13/03 5:38pm
LOL... A bit like a front end alignment on a car but more expensive?
Rich T 5/13/03 5:39pm
Exactly, plus it was a bitch on the boots.
One more knee operation though and I think I might have them put the swagger back in ;)
Luv2Fly 5/13/03 5:43pm
LOL
How you been Rich ?
Luv2Fly 5/13/03 5:46pm
I've been pretty good. I hope you have too.
Rich T 5/13/03 5:47pm
Good to hear.
A bit busy but other than that, no complaints. I'll have to stop over to your board and say hi.
Luv2Fly 5/13/03 5:48pm
Glad to hear you are well. One of these days I'm gonna ask you about private flight licenses.
Well I'd probably give you more than you wanted to know, it's my passion so it'd be like asking Kurt to tell you about the civil war. You might be there a while ;). E-gram me or leave me a message anytime, I'd be more than happy to.
Luv2Fly 5/13/03 5:54pm
I've been thinking about getting one and want to talk to somebody that already has one.
I'll e-gram you about it sometime soon.
Anytime.
Other than mental damage of course?
Screw you CM and meet me by the flagpole after school.
I have to assume that you were joking as I was simply pointing out how stressfull damaging storms can be when your pounded over and over.
But if you wanna meet at the flagpole, I'd be glad to wrap those stars and stripes around your little panhandle.
;-)
Anyone get a whiff of that distinct smell of Mennen Speed Stick and Beer?
=
How's it go'in bill?
11,000 Feared Buried in Mass Grave in Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86837,00.html
Remember, Bush is Hitler and it was all about oil.
Perhaps those folks should remember those that stood by and let this happen but helped this murdering piece of shit. I hope they remember the cost of those actions and inactions.
Damn! I just can't even imagine what it would be like to try and identify a loved ones body among so many others. You would have to go insane eventually. Maybe pictures of these mass graves will help those 'shy' countries realize just what the hell was going on over there. It doesn't sound much different than Nazi Germany was back 60 years ago.
Wolvie, I'd kick your ass for CM if you didn't live so damn far away.
Hey I live right off of I35. I am only 12 hours away. Or do I have to come up there? =)
But if you wanna meet at the flagpole, I'd be glad to wrap those stars and stripes around your little panhandle.
LOL!!!!!!!!! Almost the line of the day!
Clue Master 5/14/03 1:45pm
I can't imagine either. Some said they could recognize their loved ones by their clothes jewelry or their hair. It had to be horrid. The sad part is that their are apparently mass graves all over Iraq.
It is IMO, tortured and dead means tortured and dead. I wonder if they ever will get it, I really do, regardless of the motives or leaders who made the decision to go it was the right one in the end. For those who didn't and won't get it I say shame on them. Some aided him at the very end as well that's even more shameful I hope history remembers those killed and those who took action and those who didn't and aided this serial killer and his goons.
Wolvie - ;o)
Luv2Fly - ;o(