just because something can hurt someone, jethro doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to. robbing a liquor store is still illegal whether the intent is to buy drugs, or to buy something else. neglecting your children is illegal whether you're neglecting them because you're high or because you're doing any number of other perfectly legal things.
Actually what is whacked is your firm belief that your government is pure as the drifted snow.
They SUPPLY much of the "illegal" drugs that exist in the US.
The fact that you refuse to even look at the proof and even if you saw it you would not believe it anyway because it would rock the very foundation of your belief system means that those corrupt in power will remain in power, protected and reelected by the rabid right wingers like you.
just because something can hurt someone, jethro doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to. I don't disagree.robbing a liquor store is still illegal whether the intent is to buy drugs, or to buy something else. neglecting your children is illegal whether you're neglecting them because you're high or because you're doing any number of other perfectly legal things. So what? That wasn't my point. The point is that the community should have the right to say no to certain drugs. The U.S. government, a rather large community, has said no to certain drugs. Such is life.
The "community" Has NO RIGHT to infringe on my freedom to do what I want in my own home as long as I harm no one else.
The community DOES have that right. You need to go back and try to understand what freedom actually means. Your concept of freedom was NEVER considered when this country was established.
I have no clue as to what you mean. I only see a WACKO!!!!
Translation
"I only see what I want to see to make me feel all safe and warm, and anyone who does not agree with my point of view is automatically a wacko, and I will never listen to or try to understand their point of view, especially if their proof means that my beliefs suddenly find themselves without a leg to stand on."
"I only see what I want to see to make me feel all safe and warm, and anyone who does not agree with my point of view is automatically a wacko, and I will never listen to or try to understand their point of view, especially if their proof means that my beliefs suddenly find themselves without a leg to stand on."
That fits you much better than me. I see lots of things that make me sick. One of those things is people like you that don't have the basic understanding of what freedom means in relation to government.
I do not automatically assume that you are whacko just because you do not share my beliefs.
You wouldn't because my beliefs are not wacko. You may disagree with them because if implemented you won't get what you want. Your beliefs like government getting rich of the illegal drugs is wacko. Just look at the cost of imprisioning those guys. That must eat up any profit, if there were any.
Of course I could be persuaded to believe that you are whacked by your continual denial of the facts.
You may disagree with them because if implemented you won't get what you want.
I want my freedom. You want electronic bugs in my house to make sure I don't do anything you don't like. America has become a facist state. And you are cheering them on.
Your beliefs like government getting rich of the illegal drugs is wacko.
LOL! Google Iran Contra.
Just look at the cost of imprisioning those guys.
And just who do you think pays for it? The taxpayers of course. Not the elite.
That must eat up any profit, if there were any.
Do you have any idea how much the top guys in a drug trafficking ring make? Why is Ollie North not in prison?
Because it blows another hole in your theory that our country was not created on the idea that everyone should be free to make their own decisions.
Furthermore, it is irrelevant.
LOL!!!!! Our founding fathers believed that they should be able to make their own decisions in all matters, including which drugs they used.
Such a comment shows how obsessed you are with drugs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! I am not obsessed with drugs Jethro. I am obsessed with the ever tightening grip of Big Brother, and the war on freedom that they have been waging lo these many years, while jingoists like you cheer them on.
That is a lie put out by extremists. No one is advocating bugging everyones home.America has become a facist state. Oh CRAP! You won't know facism until it bites you in your ass.And you are cheering them on. No. I am defending the right of the community to act in what it percieves to be its interest. You aparently want to impose your will outside of the democratic process.
Because it blows another hole in your theory that our country was not created on the idea that everyone should be free to make their own decisions.
It blows no holes in anything. It is irrelevant to anything.
LOL!!!!! Our founding fathers believed that they should be able to make their own decisions in all matters, including which drugs they used. Again you show your complete lack of understanding of what it was the founding fathers were discussing.
I am obsessed with the ever tightening grip of Big Brother, and the war on freedom that they have been waging lo these many years, while jingoists like you cheer them on. You should be afaid of big brother. Unfortunately, you don't see where the real danger is
I am obsessed with FREEDOM.
Awesome concept that.
You don't understand freedom. You don't understand that there was never the idea at any time that anyone should be able to do whatever they want. Freedom set forth in the declaration of independence was simply freedom from British rule. Freedom in the Constitution was freedom from federal government imposing its will on the states. Once you grasp those concepts you may be able to participate in discussing the issue.
You aparently want to impose your will outside of the democratic process.
My belief has been supported by my community many times now, and has also been supported in many other states as well. And each and every time Big Brother shot them down. Ask yourself why. Why is Big Brother impeding the will of We The People? Because they would no longer make billions of dollars every year in those states.
Who pays the taxes. Goddamn! There is no way to even communicate with you.
You pay the taxes, I pay the taxes, the guy down the street who is trying to make ends meet pay the taxes.
Our founding fathers were TIRED of big brother, that's why they created the United States, and set up checks and balances so that big brother could never exist here.
But the will of the corrupt changed all that and now big brother is not only here, he is slowly but surely wriggling his way under the front door of my house.
And the amazing thing is that you do not even recognise the fact that you yourself are a facist.
And you continue in your belief that you don't call names. It is apparent that you are dishonest among other things. I promote the democratic process at its lowest level. If you understood fascism at any level you would understand that my views when implemented impede fascism.
And you continue in your belief that you don't call names.
Well excuse me for getting tired of being called a wacko for insisting on my freedom. Sometimes retaliation in kind is all some people understand.
It is apparent that you are dishonest among other things.
LOL! I'm not the one who deleted posts Jethro.
I promote the democratic process at its lowest level.
No you don't. You promote the Federal Governments agenda of over riding the states right to make their own decisions.
If you understood fascism at any level you would understand that my views when implemented impede fascism.
Websters Dictionary:
Fascism - A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic party. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Dictatorial - Tending to dictate, domineering, of or typical of a dictator or dictatorship. Autocratic. Syns: Dictatorial, bossy, dogmatic, domineering, imperious, overbearing, peremptory. Core meaning: Tending to assert authority and control over others.
No they are different. First you argue about personal freedom and how it is protected by government and then you turn to the issue of state's rights versus federal power. Different subjects as anyone should be able to see.
No they are different. First you argue about personal freedom and how it is protected by government and then you turn to the issue of state's rights versus federal power. Different subjects as anyone should be able to see.
Same subject Jethro. Different facet.
My personal freedom is protected by my constitution, not by the federal government.
States do have rights that over ride federal power, and that is upheld in my constitution as well.
The Constitution is being shredded by the federal government as we speak.
Aaah, losing the arguement so must pull cheap tricks to deface the opponent. Nice try Jethro. What cheap tricks? I don't know if you are a man or a woman. Maybe I should assume you are a woman but I did that with ares one time and he got upset.
I have never harmed anyone, there is no reason for me to go to jail. If you violate the law, whether you harm anyone or not, you just may well go to jail.
They did. And some people even still talk about it. But to any significant degree it ain't true
And why is that do you suppose....
Because there are liberals on the Court that can't achieve the goals they want through the democratic process. I mean you have hard core liuberals Stephens, Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter. You have a moderates of no conviction in O'Connor and Kennedy. That's why.
Because there are liberals on the Court that can't achieve the goals they want through the democratic process. I mean you have hard core liuberals Stephens, Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter. You have a moderates of no conviction in O'Connor and Kennedy. That's why.
All members of the federal government who want complete and total control over We The People.
Just don't whine to me when the feds take it much farther than even you are willing to go.
I don't want to it to have come this far. I have some sympathy with the argument of state's rights in the drug issue. But you liberals have started this nonsense a long time ago with religion in schools and on abortion. I think you need to get a good dose of it to see how it really works. I might agree with you and support your cause if I thought that liberals would support the federal government letting the states decide their own religious and abortion issues. But that isn't going to happen. Why? Because liberals don't care about consistency or rationality or limited federal government. They just want their way.
I would have no problem with students praying in school, as long as all student were allowed to follow their own religeon. In fact, I think religeon should be a subject in high school, and should cover all the various religeons of the world.
It's the recruitment to christianity in public schools that I disagree with. Smacks of Muslim terrorist recruitment in the madrassas.
I might agree with you and support your cause if I thought that liberals would support the federal government letting the states decide their own religious and abortion issues.
The idea that the federal government can "let" the states decide for themselves on any issue is a sure sign that our constitution is being murdered.
The states have the right to decide for themselves on ANY issue.
When the states no longer have that right, the constitution is dead as a doornail.
You seem to think that the federal government is republican and democrats are something different.
They are both two horns on the same corrupt beast.
They are both involved in the corruption in our federal government.
The only reason they are called republicans and democrates is to keep the American public believing that our system of checks and balances is still working.
It's the flash they show us, so they can more easily hide what they are really doing.
just because something can hurt someone, jethro doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to. robbing a liquor store is still illegal whether the intent is to buy drugs, or to buy something else. neglecting your children is illegal whether you're neglecting them because you're high or because you're doing any number of other perfectly legal things.
WACKO!
Actually what is whacked is your firm belief that your government is pure as the drifted snow.
They SUPPLY much of the "illegal" drugs that exist in the US.
The fact that you refuse to even look at the proof and even if you saw it you would not believe it anyway because it would rock the very foundation of your belief system means that those corrupt in power will remain in power, protected and reelected by the rabid right wingers like you.
Nymph, are you serious -- the government supplies drugs? I'd love to get my mitts on that information -- where do I find it?
just because something can hurt someone, jethro doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to. I don't disagree.robbing a liquor store is still illegal whether the intent is to buy drugs, or to buy something else. neglecting your children is illegal whether you're neglecting them because you're high or because you're doing any number of other perfectly legal things. So what? That wasn't my point. The point is that the community should have the right to say no to certain drugs. The U.S. government, a rather large community, has said no to certain drugs. Such is life.
Here ya go Muskwa!
Nymph 7/4/03 5:06pm
And you say you know me. If you did you would know that statement is also WACKO!!!!
The point is that the community should have the right to say no to certain drugs.
The "community" Has NO RIGHTto infringe on my freedom to do what I want in my own home as long as I harm no one else.
The "community" Has NO RIGHT to infringe on my freedom to do what I want in my own home as long as I harm no one else.
The community DOES have that right. You need to go back and try to understand what freedom actually means. Your concept of freedom was NEVER considered when this country was established.
I have no clue as to what you mean. I only see a WACKO!!!!
Translation
"I only see what I want to see to make me feel all safe and warm, and anyone who does not agree with my point of view is automatically a wacko, and I will never listen to or try to understand their point of view, especially if their proof means that my beliefs suddenly find themselves without a leg to stand on."
"I only see what I want to see to make me feel all safe and warm, and anyone who does not agree with my point of view is automatically a wacko, and I will never listen to or try to understand their point of view, especially if their proof means that my beliefs suddenly find themselves without a leg to stand on."
That fits you much better than me. I see lots of things that make me sick. One of those things is people like you that don't have the basic understanding of what freedom means in relation to government.
No it doesn't.
I never called you any names Jethro.
I do not automatically assume that you are whacko just because you do not share my beliefs.
You are merely underinformed.
Aaah...
Deleting the evidence.
Your concept of freedom was NEVER considered when this country was established.
Really...
Do you have any idea how many of our Founding Fathers did drugs?
I do not automatically assume that you are whacko just because you do not share my beliefs.
You wouldn't because my beliefs are not wacko. You may disagree with them because if implemented you won't get what you want. Your beliefs like government getting rich of the illegal drugs is wacko. Just look at the cost of imprisioning those guys. That must eat up any profit, if there were any.
Do you have any idea how many of our Founding Fathers did drugs?
I really don't give a damn. Furthermore, it is irrelevant. Such a comment shows how obsessed you are with drugs.
You wouldn't because my beliefs are not wacko.
Of course I could be persuaded to believe that you are whacked by your continual denial of the facts.
You may disagree with them because if implemented you won't get what you want.
I want my freedom.
You want electronic bugs in my house to make sure I don't do anything you don't like.
America has become a facist state.
And you are cheering them on.
Your beliefs like government getting rich of the illegal drugs is wacko.
LOL! Google Iran Contra.
Just look at the cost of imprisioning those guys.
And just who do you think pays for it?
The taxpayers of course.
Not the elite.
That must eat up any profit, if there were any.
Do you have any idea how much the top guys in a drug trafficking ring make?
Why is Ollie North not in prison?
I really don't give a damn.
Because it blows another hole in your theory that our country was not created on the idea that everyone should be free to make their own decisions.
Furthermore, it is irrelevant.
LOL!!!!!
Our founding fathers believed that they should be able to make their own decisions in all matters, including which drugs they used.
Such a comment shows how obsessed you are with drugs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
I am not obsessed with drugs Jethro.
I am obsessed with the ever tightening grip of Big Brother, and the war on freedom that they have been waging lo these many years, while jingoists like you cheer them on.
I am obsessed with FREEDOM.
Awesome concept that.
That is a lie put out by extremists. No one is advocating bugging everyones home.America has become a facist state. Oh CRAP! You won't know facism until it bites you in your ass.And you are cheering them on. No. I am defending the right of the community to act in what it percieves to be its interest. You aparently want to impose your will outside of the democratic process.
Oh CRAP! You won't know facism until it bites you in your ass.
And the amazing thing is that you do not even recognise the fact that you yourself are a facist.
I really don't give a damn.
Because it blows another hole in your theory that our country was not created on the idea that everyone should be free to make their own decisions.
It blows no holes in anything. It is irrelevant to anything.
LOL!!!!!
Our founding fathers believed that they should be able to make their own decisions in all matters, including which drugs they used. Again you show your complete lack of understanding of what it was the founding fathers were discussing.
I am obsessed with the ever tightening grip of Big Brother, and the war on freedom that they have been waging lo these many years, while jingoists like you cheer them on. You should be afaid of big brother. Unfortunately, you don't see where the real danger is
I am obsessed with FREEDOM.
Awesome concept that.
You don't understand freedom. You don't understand that there was never the idea at any time that anyone should be able to do whatever they want. Freedom set forth in the declaration of independence was simply freedom from British rule. Freedom in the Constitution was freedom from federal government imposing its will on the states. Once you grasp those concepts you may be able to participate in discussing the issue.
You aparently want to impose your will outside of the democratic process.
My belief has been supported by my community many times now, and has also been supported in many other states as well.
And each and every time Big Brother shot them down.
Ask yourself why.
Why is Big Brother impeding the will of We The People?
Because they would no longer make billions of dollars every year in those states.
Who pays the taxes. Goddamn! There is no way to even communicate with you.
You pay the taxes, I pay the taxes, the guy down the street who is trying to make ends meet pay the taxes.
The elite pay very little.
You should be afaid of big brother.
Finally we are getting somewhere.
Our founding fathers were TIRED of big brother, that's why they created the United States, and set up checks and balances so that big brother could never exist here.
But the will of the corrupt changed all that and now big brother is not only here, he is slowly but surely wriggling his way under the front door of my house.
And the amazing thing is that you do not even recognise the fact that you yourself are a facist.
And you continue in your belief that you don't call names. It is apparent that you are dishonest among other things. I promote the democratic process at its lowest level. If you understood fascism at any level you would understand that my views when implemented impede fascism.
Freedom in the Constitution was freedom from federal government imposing its will on the states.
EXFUCKINGZACTLY!
So why did the federal government impose it's will on the seven or so states who all voted to legalize?
Freedom in the Constitution was freedom from federal government imposing its will on the states.
EXFUCKINGZACTLY!
So why did the federal government impose it's will on the seven or so states who all voted to legalize?
Now you are turning to a different subject.
Nymph,
You are a waste of time.
Bravo! Jethro!
And you continue in your belief that you don't call names.
Well excuse me for getting tired of being called a wacko for insisting on my freedom. Sometimes retaliation in kind is all some people understand.
It is apparent that you are dishonest among other things.
LOL! I'm not the one who deleted posts Jethro.
I promote the democratic process at its lowest level.
No you don't. You promote the Federal Governments agenda of over riding the states right to make their own decisions.
If you understood fascism at any level you would understand that my views when implemented impede fascism.
Websters Dictionary:
Fascism - A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic party. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Dictatorial - Tending to dictate, domineering, of or typical of a dictator or dictatorship. Autocratic.
Syns: Dictatorial, bossy, dogmatic, domineering, imperious, overbearing, peremptory.
Core meaning: Tending to assert authority and control over others.
Now you are turning to a different subject.
Same subject Jethro.
You are a waste of time.
Only because you cannot dictate to me.
No, not really.
Now you are turning to a different subject.
Same subject Jethro.
No they are different. First you argue about personal freedom and how it is protected by government and then you turn to the issue of state's rights versus federal power. Different subjects as anyone should be able to see.
Websters Dictionary:
Fascism - A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control,
The US.
a strong central government
The US.
usually headed by a dictator,
Usually but not always.
and often a belligerently nationalistic party.
Yep, that would be Jethro and Torpor.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
The US.
Dictatorial - Tending to dictate,
Jethro and Torpor and the federal government, and many others just like them.
domineering,
Ditto.
of or typical of a dictator or dictatorship. Autocratic.
Syns: Dictatorial, bossy, dogmatic, domineering, imperious, overbearing,
Ditto again.
peremptory.
IE: Refusal to consider any evidence that does not support your own view.
Core meaning: Tending to assert authority and control over others.
The federal government and every jingoist in the country.
I understand just fine.
And I refuse to be dictated to by anyone, because I believe in my freedom to decide for myself on any and all issues.
No they are different. First you argue about personal freedom and how it is protected by government and then you turn to the issue of state's rights versus federal power. Different subjects as anyone should be able to see.
Same subject Jethro. Different facet.
My personal freedom is protected by my constitution, not by the federal government.
States do have rights that over ride federal power, and that is upheld in my constitution as well.
The Constitution is being shredded by the federal government as we speak.
Keep cheering Jethro.
Nymph wrote: The US. usually headed by a dictator,
And she(?) says she(?) isn't WACKO!!!
And I refuse to be dictated to by anyone, because I believe in my freedom to decide for myself on any and all issues.
Be free all you want. Let me know when and where I can visit you in jail.
They did. And some people even still talk about it. But to any significant degree it ain't true
Nymph wrote: The US. usually headed by a dictator,
And she(?) says she(?) isn't WACKO!!!
Aaah, losing the arguement so must pull cheap tricks to deface the opponent. Nice try Jethro.
And I refuse to be dictated to by anyone, because I believe in my freedom to decide for myself on any and all issues.
Be free all you want. Let me know when and where I can visit you in jail.
I have never harmed anyone, there is no reason for me to go to jail.
They did. And some people even still talk about it. But to any significant degree it ain't true
And why is that do you suppose....
Yes the Supreme Court is doing a fine job of that.
And the Supreme Court is appointed by..........
Keep cheering Jethro.
I hope you enjoy the fascist state you are helping to create.
Just don't whine to me when the feds take it much farther than even you are willing to go.
When they have mini cams in your bathroom, come talk to me about how people should be free.
Aaah, losing the arguement so must pull cheap tricks to deface the opponent. Nice try Jethro. What cheap tricks? I don't know if you are a man or a woman. Maybe I should assume you are a woman but I did that with ares one time and he got upset.
I have never harmed anyone, there is no reason for me to go to jail. If you violate the law, whether you harm anyone or not, you just may well go to jail.
They did. And some people even still talk about it. But to any significant degree it ain't true
And why is that do you suppose....
Because there are liberals on the Court that can't achieve the goals they want through the democratic process. I mean you have hard core liuberals Stephens, Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter. You have a moderates of no conviction in O'Connor and Kennedy. That's why.
What cheap tricks?
LOL! Like you don't know what I'm talking about. Anyone reading the thread can plainly see your cheap trick.
I don't know if you are a man or a woman.
I don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand, but for your edification, I am a woman.
If you violate the law, whether you harm anyone or not, you just may well go to jail.
I repeat, I have never harmed anyone, there is no reason for me to go to jail.
Because there are liberals on the Court that can't achieve the goals they want through the democratic process. I mean you have hard core liuberals Stephens, Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter. You have a moderates of no conviction in O'Connor and Kennedy. That's why.
All members of the federal government who want complete and total control over We The People.
Just don't whine to me when the feds take it much farther than even you are willing to go.
I don't want to it to have come this far. I have some sympathy with the argument of state's rights in the drug issue. But you liberals have started this nonsense a long time ago with religion in schools and on abortion. I think you need to get a good dose of it to see how it really works. I might agree with you and support your cause if I thought that liberals would support the federal government letting the states decide their own religious and abortion issues. But that isn't going to happen. Why? Because liberals don't care about consistency or rationality or limited federal government. They just want their way.
The "war on drugs" is merely a front that the feds show people like you so that they may continue their War On Freedom behind your backs.
That way you won't stop them.
And their plan seems to be working very well.
So where would you like to bury our dead constitution Jethro?
But you liberals
Liberal?
Me?
LOL!
religion in schools
I would have no problem with students praying in school, as long as all student were allowed to follow their own religeon.
In fact, I think religeon should be a subject in high school, and should cover all the various religeons of the world.
It's the recruitment to christianity in public schools that I disagree with.
Smacks of Muslim terrorist recruitment in the madrassas.
I might agree with you and support your cause if I thought that liberals would support the federal government letting the states decide their own religious and abortion issues.
The idea that the federal government can "let" the states decide for themselves on any issue is a sure sign that our constitution is being murdered.
The states have the right to decide for themselves on ANY issue.
When the states no longer have that right, the constitution is dead as a doornail.
But that isn't going to happen. Why?
Because it would eliminate the total control the federal government is trying to obtain.
You seem to think that the federal government is republican and democrats are something different.
They are both two horns on the same corrupt beast.
They are both involved in the corruption in our federal government.
The only reason they are called republicans and democrates is to keep the American public believing that our system of checks and balances is still working.
It's the flash they show us, so they can more easily hide what they are really doing.