The "war on drugs" is merely a front that the feds show people like you so that they may continue their War On Freedom behind your backs.
That way you won't stop them.
And their plan seems to be working very well.
So where would you like to bury our dead constitution Jethro?
What utter nonsense. The Constitution may be dead but it has nothing to do with drugs. The feds involvement in illegal drugs may be a symptom of a dying constitution but that is all.
religion in schools
I would have no problem with students praying in school, as long as all student were allowed to follow their own religion. The locals should decide if there is organized school prayer. The feds preventing the locals from doing so is a usurpation of power that the feds clearly did not have. The liberals on the Court made things up to get the result they wanted.
It's the recruitment to Christianity in public schools that I disagree with. Smacks of Muslim terrorist recruitment in the madrassas. Maybe but on the face of the constitution it is not a federal concern.
The states have the right to decide for themselves on ANY issue. I guess you haven't heard about the civil war and its aftermath.
I would have no problem with students praying in school, as long as all student were allowed to follow their own religion
kids can pray whenever they like (obviously not aloud while the teacher is teaching or something). It simply that the school shouldn't be dictating to the students that they should pray. The school needs to stay out of it.
Do you understand the term "rights?" Do you understand that Jefferson wasn't promoting everyone doing whatever it is they want? Do you understand that the American revolution was over self government? That government was a given? That the community can set standards? That you have a right to participate in government but that you won't always get your way?
Funny thing is, without our government we wouldn't have any "inalienable" rights.
so...you don't understand what inalienable means...okay.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights;
now, maybe you think your creator is the government...but the deal is that we are BORN with these rights...they are inherent to being a human being and they are inalienable...now, having them and having them violated are two different things. All the government can do is either secure them for us or violate them, but they don't give them to us...we already have them. Our goveernment was supposed to be set up to secure these rights for us.
inalienable: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred
you can violate them, but I will still have them. They cannot be simply given up. They are part of being a human being.
to think that they come from the government is to not understand what they are.
"Man [is] a rational animal, endowed by nature with rightsand with an innate sense of justice." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:441 Â Â
the government isn't nature
"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature,and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134 Â Â
"Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the Author of nature,because necessary for his own sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson: Legal Argument, 1770. FE 1:376 Â Â
"Nothing... is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:48
the government is not the giver of our rights...at least not according to Thom.
every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty
USING IT (his own person) AT HIS OWN WILL
that would clearly include putting substances in it.
fold does nothing but barage me with profanities for years and not once was he admonished by his fellow, leftist, hypocritical, sheep, followers here....Why?
That may be true, but his posts do actually talk about the subject at hand on occasion rather than the never ending non discussion of insults that is Torpors forte.
I must say that even though you on occasion resort to name calling, I do enjoy your discussion.
I never insulted anyone here nympho. It's all in your leftist thinking. That is IF the left really does think.
I'm STILL waiting for the nymph or any other liberal to answer my question...fold does nothing but barage me with profanities for years and not once did any of his lefto buddies here say a word to him about his conduct...WHY???
jethro, fold didn't run and hide because I insulted him. During the time you were gone, I caught him in 2 flat out lies and I called him on them. THEN he supposedly put me on his ignore list.
jethro, fold didn't run and hide because I insulted him. During the time you were gone, I caught him in 2 flat out lies and I called him on them. THEN he supposedly put me on his ignore list.
Hmmm......
Oh well, have a nice day Jethro.
;)
The "war on drugs" is merely a front that the feds show people like you so that they may continue their War On Freedom behind your backs.
That way you won't stop them.
And their plan seems to be working very well.
So where would you like to bury our dead constitution Jethro?
What utter nonsense. The Constitution may be dead but it has nothing to do with drugs. The feds involvement in illegal drugs may be a symptom of a dying constitution but that is all.
religion in schools
I would have no problem with students praying in school, as long as all student were allowed to follow their own religion. The locals should decide if there is organized school prayer. The feds preventing the locals from doing so is a usurpation of power that the feds clearly did not have. The liberals on the Court made things up to get the result they wanted.
It's the recruitment to Christianity in public schools that I disagree with.
Smacks of Muslim terrorist recruitment in the madrassas. Maybe but on the face of the constitution it is not a federal concern.
The states have the right to decide for themselves on ANY issue. I guess you haven't heard about the civil war and its aftermath.
freedom...it's about having the inalienable rights of life, libery and the pusuit of happiness.
how you can not get "doing whatever one wants as long as it doesn't deny someone else of their inalienable rights" is beyond me.
the Constitution is written on hemp.
the Constitution is set up to protect the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
kids can pray whenever they like (obviously not aloud while the teacher is teaching or something). It simply that the school shouldn't be dictating to the students that they should pray. The school needs to stay out of it.
freedom...it's about having the inalienable rights of life, libery and the pusuit of happiness.
In the framework of society and government.
Oh it's all just so... frustratingly-Democratic.
Only in YOUR dreams.
So then...The "Supreme Court" imposes no authority over "The People", Ever? The "FED" has no authority over the People, ever?
It is to difficult for you to understand, fold. Don't try, you'll just hurt yourself.
not understanding the word "inalienable"?
Do you understand the term "rights?" Do you understand that Jefferson wasn't promoting everyone doing whatever it is they want? Do you understand that the American revolution was over self government? That government was a given? That the community can set standards? That you have a right to participate in government but that you won't always get your way?
as long as they don't interfere with my INALIENABLE rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
government isn't supposed to interefere with my inalienable rights....that's why they are called inalienable.
as long as they don't interfere with my INALIENABLE rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Unfortunately you you have made those "rights" so broad that government would be impotent if the people accepted your interpretation.
good...the government SHOULD be impotent when it comes to infringing on people's inalienable rights.
Funny thing is, without our government we wouldn't have any "inalienable" rights.
Funny thing is, without our government, we wouldn't have any "inalienable" rights.
Yes indeed they would all be alienated. Unless of course you were the biggest or strongest.
so...you don't understand what inalienable means...okay.
now, maybe you think your creator is the government...but the deal is that we are BORN with these rights...they are inherent to being a human being and they are inalienable...now, having them and having them violated are two different things. All the government can do is either secure them for us or violate them, but they don't give them to us...we already have them. Our goveernment was supposed to be set up to secure these rights for us.
inalienable: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred
you can violate them, but I will still have them. They cannot be simply given up. They are part of being a human being.
to think that they come from the government is to not understand what they are.
the government isn't nature
the government is not the giver of our rights...at least not according to Thom.
USING IT (his own person) AT HIS OWN WILL
that would clearly include putting substances in it.
There goes nympho slandering and defaming me once again.
Oh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Can't you discuss anything without taking cheap shots?
Oh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Sound familiar nympho, ares?
fold does nothing but barage me with profanities for years and not once was he admonished by his fellow, leftist, hypocritical, sheep, followers here....Why?
so...you don't understand what inalienable means...okay.
I understand perfectly.
You must not realize that before man wrote them down on paper and made them "law", they didn't exist.
And you accuse me of using rhetoric?
Time to start backing up your bullshit.
If you recall, St Paul passed yet another school levy last election.
LOL
But you said they were on a starvation diet?
Flip Flop, Flip Flop
You're an idiot.
Monies to schools have way outpaced inflation, especially in MN.
why do you bother with fold, JT?
I'm not anymore.
I'm putting him on my ignore list.
You can't do that. You're the sysop.
I did.
As Sysop, I rarely block anyone from this place.
If I was going to block Bill Fold, I would have done it a long time ago.
You can't take even appearing like you might lose an argument JT. You're just a "Sensitive Kinda Guy".
No one loses an argument with you, fold. You lose every single one. I give you credit for not quitting, though. Most people would.
I did.
As Sysop, I rarely block anyone from this place.
but one of the "features" of the ignore list is that as host, you can't actually ignore anyone posting in your area.
You're partially right jethro. I'm on fold's ignore list.
I made him quit.
LOL!
Nah, I think Bill just got tired of you argueing your point with insults rather than real discussion.
Nah, I think Bill just got tired of you argueing your point with insults rather than real discussion.
fold will insult a conservative as fast as anyone.
That may be true, but his posts do actually talk about the subject at hand on occasion rather than the never ending non discussion of insults that is Torpors forte.
I must say that even though you on occasion resort to name calling, I do enjoy your discussion.
so, you think the drug laws are based on preventing harm to people?
are you SURE?
because it doesn't look that way.
Give it a rest, crabs. No one is going to change anyone's mind around here.
so, you are closed-minded and that is that?
swell.
I never insulted anyone here nympho. It's all in your leftist thinking. That is IF the left really does think.
I'm STILL waiting for the nymph or any other liberal to answer my question...fold does nothing but barage me with profanities for years and not once did any of his lefto buddies here say a word to him about his conduct...WHY???
jethro, fold didn't run and hide because I insulted him. During the time you were gone, I caught him in 2 flat out lies and I called him on them. THEN he supposedly put me on his ignore list.
while generally this is true...
what you havedone is make untrue insinuations
If it's an insinuation, it's impossible to be untrue.
you may want to retake English 101
and you may want to retake real world 101.
hey torpedo...have you stopped beating your wife yet?
that is an insinuation...an insinuation that you beat your wife.
now, is it impossible for it to be untrue that you beat your wife?
Ask a lefty. Only they would get sucked into a trap like that.
I'm asking you
you seem to think that you can't insinuate something that is untrue.
jethro, fold didn't run and hide because I insulted him. During the time you were gone, I caught him in 2 flat out lies and I called him on them. THEN he supposedly put me on his ignore list.
Typical fold behavior.
I already explained it once crabs. If you don't get it, not my problem.
I will not participate in your never ending, left turning, circles.
this is an explanation?
no...it's just plain old wrong.
So when are we going to get back to the issue at hand?
;)
I was about to ask the same thing.
Hi Muskwa,
So what are your thoughts on drugs?