Democrats are trying to stir up a scandal because in his State of the Union address President Bush cited a British intelligence report that a man named Joseph C. Wilson does not agree with. The real scandal, however, is how Wilson's opinion on this matter came to be of such consequence
President Bush's current five-nation tour of Africa seems an appropriate occasion to laud him for doing more to benefit black people than any other leader in our history, including the so-called, "first black president," Bill Clinton.
Why should people in prison be grateful to a President?
An estimated 12 per cent of African-American men aged 20 to 34 are in jail, a US Justice Department report shows. Only 1.6 per cent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated.
The Bureau of Justice Statistics has calculated that 28 per cent of black men will be sent to jail in their lifetime.
An estimated 12 per cent of African-American men aged 20 to 34 are in jail, a US Justice Department report shows. That means 82% are not in jail.Only 1.6 per cent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated. So would you be happy is 12% of white men aged 20 to 34 are in jail?
This is not what media is saying. Especially those who do give the impression of not going by the press releases but do check few things. According to them, during voting on war (Iraq), in UNSC, the value of African votes/countries was realised. Their not voting with US came as a shock. Their support had been taken for granted but as it turned out to be, that was not the case. So now Bush is trying to tell them that they too mattter and are in his/US's radar. Whether they (African countries)will buy or not, time will tell.
Look at your own stats crabs. It's very obvious that black men in that particular age group commit more crime than men of other races in that same age group.
You won't go to jail if you don't commit a crime...simple.
are you saying that black people are expotentially more criminal than white people?
Are you accusing me of being racist? Maybe you should consider that there are environmental factors that lead to the high crime rate of young black fellas.
I am saying Wolvie, that if 85% of those eligible to vote HAD voted, Bush may not even BE our President right now, and even IF he had won, at least we could be proud that most Americans excercised their right to vote...?
Also... If even 75%, or even 65% had voted, the Supreme Court would never have become involved, and nobody would be able to complain.
Yes, I am saying that he is President by default, because America is LAZY when it comes to VOTING, and that the de"fault", is on the backs of NON-VOTERS.
No, I don't think blacks are more prone than anyone else to being criminal. THEY OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE CHOICE TO COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!!!!! Once again, born out by your own stats.
What's your estimate on the number of new social programs that will be necessary to rid the 20-34 male, black community of the "environmental factors"?
Your environmental excuse is weak crabs. People know right from wrong no matter what environment they are in.
THEY OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE CHOICE TO COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!!!!!
yea...in your world people are never harrass or racially profiled or wrongly accused or framed or assumed to be guilty or....unfortunately black people in this county don't live in that world.
No, I don't think blacks are more prone than anyone else to being criminal.
then how do you explain the hugely lopsided numbers?
do you think they are more prone to make the choice to commit crimes?
I live in an inner city neighborhood in St Paul. Who do you think the drug dealers and a majority of users? It's not the white folks. I'm not saying that to be racist, it's just a fact.
Now, environment may play a role in that, but they still choose to do so. They aren't framed. I see it with my own eyes.
I'm not saying that to be racist, it's just a fact.
a fact huh...
here's some facts...
data gathered by the Department of Health and Human Services show that in 1991, 1992 and 1993, about five times as many whites had used cocaine than blacks, the report said.
The Justice Department's 1998 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse found that white students were four to five times more likely to sell and use drugs than blacks. And other studies have confirmed that whites use drugs as much if not more than blacks.
On average, 482 of every 100,000 black men sentenced to prison are sent there on drug charges, compared with just 36 of every 100,000 white men.
Whites More Frequent Users...The group said the numbers are especially striking because of federal studies that show white drug users outnumber black drug users 5-to-1.
"but if they choose not to"... Ya just said it all right there crabs.
If you choose not to follow the laws of society, then you pay the price...period. It doesn't matter who you are.
I'll explain this again to you crabs. I'm not white. I know this dissappoints you greatly. For decades I've seen what exactly goes on first hand, you probably have not. Personal responsibility is not in your vocabulary. Blacks are always the victims...NO. They put themselves in that position along with people of every other race.
You're exactly like the thousands of 15-20 year old white girls I've seen, known and dealt with. You are a black wannabe. You claim to know the plight of black people. "You feel their pain". All you do is quote statistics out of a study. Come back in 20 years, when you've been there.
considering the "environmental factors" is exactly what I'm asking you to do...why is this environment tolorated, if not encouraged?
People choose their environment. They can try to change the one they live in or move on. And there is not anything anyone can do for anyone else. Each person must make their own choice. Funny how liberals want the right to choose to do drugs because people can manage for themselves but the government must give hand outs and help help certain groups.
but if they choose not to, they still have a far greater chance of being profiled and arrested and incarcerated anyway.
profiling doesn't always lead to arrest. My guess is a very small percentage are actually arrested. Isn't that really what the complaint is about? Innocent citizens that have done no wrong being stopped?
The cake-and-eat-it-too crowd is led by Presidential wannabe John Kerry, junior Senator to Ted Kennedy, who is trying to keep up hawkish appearances while placating the liberals who actually believe Bush is a greater threat to national security than Saddam Hussein was. Since he voted to authorize the war in Iraq—with an eye toward November 2004—Kerry needed a sleight of hand to woo peaceniks. So the man who founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War beefed up his antiwar reputation by claiming that Bush, in essence, duped him and others into supporting the war.
You're exactly like the thousands of 15-20 year old white girls I've seen, known and dealt with
you have no idea how wrong this is.
You are a black wannabe
no thank you...I much prefer the lower risk of incarceration.
If you choose not to follow the laws of society, then you pay the price
that's just it...being white I DON'T pay the same price when I don't follow unjust laws. I also don't have to worry about being wrong incarcerated. The news today here is a black man has been found innocent of what he has spent something like the last twenty years in jail for...that's not the sort of thing I have had to worry about.
The deal is, no one is equal until everyone is equal.
For decades I've seen what exactly goes on first hand, you probably have not
so...you are a drug user who has been in the drug culture?
To make Crabs happy, the legislature has announced that 12% of the white population shall be randomly incarcerated to meet the requirements of affirmative action and equal opportunity. Also the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment to the constitution have been repealed.
There are downsides. Such a system would eliminate the ability to become "super-rich." Yet that means that the extraordinary wealth of a few would be available to make life better for everyone.
No what means is that the wealth won't be created at all because there would be no incentive to do so.
the legislature has announced that 12% of the white population shall be randomly incarcerated to meet the requirements of affirmative action and equal opportunity
that's just about the way the current laws work anyway
So are you saying if Gore had won it would have been by default, too?
Hehehehe
Or Democrats are lazy bastards?
Were the Dicks and Meek landings stage managed and covered worldwide? A throng of servicemen cheering like Cher was getting out of the jet?
You can't buy coverage like that. That's what I'm talking about.
You're right Rick, the president should not have done something to salute the brave folks on that carrier because it would draw worldwide coverage.
I don't blame him a bit.
What the President does is news. Clinton got a lot of free press when he held the office, too.
Democrats are trying to stir up a scandal because in his State of the Union address President Bush cited a British intelligence report that a man named Joseph C. Wilson does not agree with. The real scandal, however, is how Wilson's opinion on this matter came to be of such consequence
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/terencejeffrey/tj20030716.shtml
the buck doesn't stop until we can find a way to stop it at Clinton
President Bush's current five-nation tour of Africa seems an appropriate occasion to laud him for doing more to benefit black people than any other leader in our history, including the so-called, "first black president," Bill Clinton.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/Armstrongwilliams/aw20030716.shtml
the black Americans who are in prison or poverty are grateful, no doubt.
think LBJ...or Abe
Bush is trying to help the entire African continent. Lincoln only issued a proclamation that freed slaves in states he had no control over.
Why should people in prison be grateful to a President?
An estimated 12 per cent of African-American men aged 20 to 34 are in jail, a US Justice Department report shows. Only 1.6 per cent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated.
The Bureau of Justice Statistics has calculated that 28 per cent of black men will be sent to jail in their lifetime.
you tell me
An estimated 12 per cent of African-American men aged 20 to 34 are in jail, a US Justice Department report shows. That means 82% are not in jail.Only 1.6 per cent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated. So would you be happy is 12% of white men aged 20 to 34 are in jail?
The Bureau of Justice Statistics has calculated that 28 per cent of black men will be sent to jail in their lifetime.
If they do not violate the law or if they don't get caught when they do then they won't go to jail.
jethro bodine 7/16/03 12:04pm
This is not what media is saying. Especially those who do give the impression of not going by the press releases but do check few things. According to them, during voting on war (Iraq), in UNSC, the value of African votes/countries was realised. Their not voting with US came as a shock. Their support had been taken for granted but as it turned out to be, that was not the case. So now Bush is trying to tell them that they too mattter and are in his/US's radar. Whether they (African countries)will buy or not, time will tell.
if only that were actually true
are you saying that black people are expotentially more criminal than white people?
don't confuse him raj.
he wants to believe that the administration has nothing but altruistic motives for everything they do.
he wants to believe that the administration has nothing but altruistic motives for everything they do.
And the Liberals believe there is some evil plot behind everything they do.
In other words, they're damned if they does, they're damned if they don't.
Look at your own stats crabs. It's very obvious that black men in that particular age group commit more crime than men of other races in that same age group.
You won't go to jail if you don't commit a crime...simple.
if only that were actually true
Maybe you should consider that it IS true.
are you saying that black people are expotentially more criminal than white people?
Are you accusing me of being racist? Maybe you should consider that there are environmental factors that lead to the high crime rate of young black fellas.
he wants to believe that the administration has nothing but altruistic motives for everything they do.
Why does it matter what the motives are if it accomplishes somthing that you approve of?
I am saying Wolvie, that if 85% of those eligible to vote HAD voted, Bush may not even BE our President right now, and even IF he had won, at least we could be proud that most Americans excercised their right to vote...?
Also... If even 75%, or even 65% had voted, the Supreme Court would never have become involved, and nobody would be able to complain.
Yes, I am saying that he is President by default, because America is LAZY when it comes to VOTING, and that the de"fault", is on the backs of NON-VOTERS.
Hope that clears it up.
Sure does! Thanks for the reply!
so...you DO think that blacks just happen to be several times more prone to being criminal
must be that extra crime gene, huh
yea...the trees made them do it.
considering the "environmental factors" is exactly what I'm asking you to do...why is this environment tolorated, if not encouraged?
No, I don't think blacks are more prone than anyone else to being criminal. THEY OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE CHOICE TO COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!!!!! Once again, born out by your own stats.
What's your estimate on the number of new social programs that will be necessary to rid the 20-34 male, black community of the "environmental factors"?
Your environmental excuse is weak crabs. People know right from wrong no matter what environment they are in.
yea...in your world people are never harrass or racially profiled or wrongly accused or framed or assumed to be guilty or....unfortunately black people in this county don't live in that world.
then how do you explain the hugely lopsided numbers?
do you think they are more prone to make the choice to commit crimes?
and if you do, can you explain why that is?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, now you're getting it. They DO have a choice whether to commit crimes or not.
Committing crimes is the easy way out.
but if they choose not to, they still have a far greater chance of being profiled and areested and incarcerated anyway.
you DO apparently think that black are more prone to "choose" to be criminal
how white of you
now...do you want to explain why you think that is?
I live in an inner city neighborhood in St Paul. Who do you think the drug dealers and a majority of users? It's not the white folks. I'm not saying that to be racist, it's just a fact.
Now, environment may play a role in that, but they still choose to do so. They aren't framed. I see it with my own eyes.
a fact huh...
here's some facts...
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n771.a03.html
http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=16216
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/incarceration000608.html
now see...those are facts.
you know all the dealers and users personally do you? Interesting.
"but if they choose not to"... Ya just said it all right there crabs.
If you choose not to follow the laws of society, then you pay the price...period. It doesn't matter who you are.
I'll explain this again to you crabs. I'm not white. I know this dissappoints you greatly. For decades I've seen what exactly goes on first hand, you probably have not. Personal responsibility is not in your vocabulary. Blacks are always the victims...NO. They put themselves in that position along with people of every other race.
You're exactly like the thousands of 15-20 year old white girls I've seen, known and dealt with. You are a black wannabe. You claim to know the plight of black people. "You feel their pain". All you do is quote statistics out of a study. Come back in 20 years, when you've been there.
considering the "environmental factors" is exactly what I'm asking you to do...why is this environment tolorated, if not encouraged?
People choose their environment. They can try to change the one they live in or move on. And there is not anything anyone can do for anyone else. Each person must make their own choice. Funny how liberals want the right to choose to do drugs because people can manage for themselves but the government must give hand outs and help help certain groups.
but if they choose not to, they still have a far greater chance of being profiled and arrested and incarcerated anyway.
profiling doesn't always lead to arrest. My guess is a very small percentage are actually arrested. Isn't that really what the complaint is about? Innocent citizens that have done no wrong being stopped?
The reasons why more black men are in jail is simple... Racism, and a "War On Drugs" that targets low-income and minorities.
A simple answer from a SIMPLETON!
The cake-and-eat-it-too crowd is led by Presidential wannabe John Kerry, junior Senator to Ted Kennedy, who is trying to keep up hawkish appearances while placating the liberals who actually believe Bush is a greater threat to national security than Saddam Hussein was. Since he voted to authorize the war in Iraq—with an eye toward November 2004—Kerry needed a sleight of hand to woo peaceniks. So the man who founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War beefed up his antiwar reputation by claiming that Bush, in essence, duped him and others into supporting the war.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/jm20030717.shtml
It is obvious that Kerry is either a completly dishonest fellow or a damned idiot. Don't you think either one disqualifies him for the office?
you have no idea how wrong this is.
no thank you...I much prefer the lower risk of incarceration.
that's just it...being white I DON'T pay the same price when I don't follow unjust laws. I also don't have to worry about being wrong incarcerated. The news today here is a black man has been found innocent of what he has spent something like the last twenty years in jail for...that's not the sort of thing I have had to worry about.
The deal is, no one is equal until everyone is equal.
so...you are a drug user who has been in the drug culture?
I see.
a fact huh...
Yes.
In my neighborhood, I've yet to see one white person selling drugs, and I see very few white people buying them.
It doesn't really matter. If you choose to break the law, you better be willing to suffer the consequences.
well...that's really scientific...I guess that proves that only black people take and sell drugs
rolls eyes
To make Crabs happy, the legislature has announced that 12% of the white population shall be randomly incarcerated to meet the requirements of affirmative action and equal opportunity. Also the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment to the constitution have been repealed.
I'm going to go hide now....
Forceful and convincing, as always. No equivocation
Is Tony Blair the leader of the Free World?
You're nearly a fraud crabs. Keep on quoting your stats. That's all you can do because you haven't been there. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE.
There are downsides. Such a system would eliminate the ability to become "super-rich." Yet that means that the extraordinary wealth of a few would be available to make life better for everyone.
No what means is that the wealth won't be created at all because there would be no incentive to do so.
What in the world will poor little crabby do, when in a few short years, whites will be the minority in CA?
Will he come to their rescue when profiled, stereotyped or arrested?
well...that's really scientific...I guess that proves that only black people take and sell drugs
I didn't claim it was scientific. I'm simply telling you my personal experience.
I know there's white drug dealers, but I haven't seen them in my neighborhood.
crabs doesn't want to hear about personal experiences.
that's just about the way the current laws work anyway
sure I do...they reveal a great deal about why people think the way they do
haven't been where?
sure I do...they reveal a great deal about why people think the way they do
So, what do you think of my personal experience in my neighborhood?
None of your fucking business.
Haven't you noticed I'm trying to ignore you?
Why don't you try doing the same for me?
I wonder how you are so familiar with the drug culture there
I also wonder if you have any idea of the drug culture that you don't see
Do you think that the whites out in the suburbs don't do or deal drugs?
well...you are the one that were using it as part of your argument