Here's a prayer than many of them just might be writing...?
Maybe they are, that's not the issue. The issue is how they are writing letters to their dead child to feel better about killing it in the first place.
Funny you talk about mocking people who disagree with those who have abortions. You never mock people you disagree with right ?
I don't hate them, I hate the descision. If it effected nobody else I wouldn't have a problem with it. We're talking about another human being here.
So I guess if someone else is in danger you'd do nothing because they aren't attached to you.
to me, that someone else is the mother...to you it's the fetus growing on her.
sorry to tell ya, it's mom's call, not a politician or a pope's.
It's a decision between a pregnant woman and her doctor (someone whom we trust with matters of life and death) instead of between her and a government official (people whom we should do our best to limit our trust in matters of life and death in).
bottom line, a woman's body is her own. not being a woman it's not my call. I can say that I would hope that no woman should ever be in a position to have to make such a decision, but realize that this is not the case. I also realize that it's not my decision to make, nor is it anyone's beyond that woman and her partner or doctor.
So I guess if someone else is in danger you'd do nothing because they aren't attached to you.
to me, that someone else is the mother...to you it's the fetus growing on her.
I wasn't talking if her life was in danger. I am not an absolutist. If the woman's life was in danger, absolutely she should be able to have an abortion.
It's a decision between a pregnant woman and her doctor (someone whom we trust with matters of life and death) instead of between her and a government official
You're re right, it is a matter of life and death, for the baby. Again, If a woman's life was in danger, absolutely she should be able to end the pregnancy.
It's biology that I can't change that women are the ones to carry children. 9 months apparently is to much to ask her to be inconvienenced however.
sorry to tell ya, it's mom's call, not a politician or a pope's.
There is right and wrong, crabs. I know you can't grasp that concept. Abortion is wrong and it should not be left up to the whim of anyone. It is quite clear that you are an anarchist.
again, I am in no postition to do the asking...and fail to see why you think that you are.
Because I see it as ending a life that's why. I weigh the difference between a mother being inconvienienced for 9 months vs. an innocent human being who had ZERO choice in the matter being killed. So if I weigh the ending of another human being vs. the mothers inconvienence then yes I come down on the side of the child.
I usually don't post in the abortion thread, it's fruitless. If someone believes it's o.k to kill that baby then we just are too far apart to come to an agreement the rest is semantics and it's not worth arguing usually.
I usually don't post in the abortion thread, it's fruitless. If someone believes it's o.k to kill that baby then we just are too far apart to come to an agreement the rest is semantics and it's not worth arguing usually.
It is pointless to post here unless you want to vent about the immoral positions of the soulless creatures known as proabortionists.
STARKE, Fla. — Anticipating his reward in heaven, an unrepentant Paul Hill awaited execution Wednesday for the shotgun slayings of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard outside a Pensacola clinic nine years ago.
STARKE, Fla. — The execution of Paul Hill for the murders of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard left abortion providers holding their breath, wary that the former minister may become a martyr to the anti-abortion cause and spur others to act violently.
it appears that bodine's respect for life doesn't extend beyond the vagina
I respect life. I don't respect immorality. People have choices to make. Those that make the wrong choices deserve criticism and, in certain circumstances chastised and even humiliated.
you mean the "women can't vote or own property" standard? or do you mean the "black people can't eat it the same public place as white people" standard?
those didn't stay the same, did they?
You believe it is okay for others to allow and even promote it.
not at all...I don't believe "others" have any say in it at all...it's not their business one way or the other.
you mean the "women can't vote or own property" standard? or do you mean the "black people can't eat it the same public place as white people" standard? The classic maneuver of taking what I wrote out of context. Well, f*** you.
You believe it is okay for others to allow and even promote it. not at all...I don't believe "others" have any say in it at all...it's not their business one way or the other.
Then you shouldn't worry about murder or robbery or anything else unless it effects you personally.
The classic maneuver of taking what I wrote out of context.
so...you DON'T think that community standards should remain the same?
because community standards used to dictate that women couldn't vote or own property and that blacks couldn't eat in the same place as whites. these were standards of communities. they changed.
Actually no... they might have some other kind of affect... maybe something happened in the past, to where news of a robbery or a murder gets him upset?
Actually no... they might have some other kind of affect... maybe something happened in the past, to where news of a robbery or a murder gets him upset?
Abortion upsets me but crabs doesn't give a damn about that.
they changed over time by gradual acceptance of the change.
actually...they changed because people made laws to change it.
the "community" didn't want those black kids in their school when the National Guard got called out.
but still...no definition of what you call "immorality" is forthcoming...however, we now understand that they aren't absolutes, even for you...it's just a matter of degrees (in your case time)
P.S please make sure to play nice with all the other dead kids.
Maybe they are, that's not the issue. The issue is how they are writing letters to their dead child to feel better about killing it in the first place.
Funny you talk about mocking people who disagree with those who have abortions. You never mock people you disagree with right ?
I don't hate them, I hate the descision. If it effected nobody else I wouldn't have a problem with it. We're talking about another human being here.
well...when you are interested in getting one of those people hooked up to you to share blood and food and the like, let me know.
crabgrass 9/1/03 12:16pm
Will do o' great purveyor.
So I guess if someone else is in danger you'd do nothing because they aren't attached to you.
to me, that someone else is the mother...to you it's the fetus growing on her.
sorry to tell ya, it's mom's call, not a politician or a pope's.
It's a decision between a pregnant woman and her doctor (someone whom we trust with matters of life and death) instead of between her and a government official (people whom we should do our best to limit our trust in matters of life and death in).
bottom line, a woman's body is her own. not being a woman it's not my call. I can say that I would hope that no woman should ever be in a position to have to make such a decision, but realize that this is not the case. I also realize that it's not my decision to make, nor is it anyone's beyond that woman and her partner or doctor.
So I guess if someone else is in danger you'd do nothing because they aren't attached to you.
I wasn't talking if her life was in danger. I am not an absolutist. If the woman's life was in danger, absolutely she should be able to have an abortion.
You're re right, it is a matter of life and death, for the baby. Again, If a woman's life was in danger, absolutely she should be able to end the pregnancy.
It's biology that I can't change that women are the ones to carry children. 9 months apparently is to much to ask her to be inconvienenced however.
again, I fail to see how this is a decision made by anyone but her and her doctor.
like I said, you see a baby with a woman attached, I see a woman with a fetus attached.
again, I am in no postition to do the asking...and fail to see why you think that you are.
sorry to tell ya, it's mom's call, not a politician or a pope's.
There is right and wrong, crabs. I know you can't grasp that concept. Abortion is wrong and it should not be left up to the whim of anyone. It is quite clear that you are an anarchist.
like I said, you see a baby with a woman attached, I see a woman with a fetus attached.
It is a human being attached to another human being. You depraved worthless piece of trash.
Because I see it as ending a life that's why. I weigh the difference between a mother being inconvienienced for 9 months vs. an innocent human being who had ZERO choice in the matter being killed. So if I weigh the ending of another human being vs. the mothers inconvienence then yes I come down on the side of the child.
I usually don't post in the abortion thread, it's fruitless. If someone believes it's o.k to kill that baby then we just are too far apart to come to an agreement the rest is semantics and it's not worth arguing usually.
I usually don't post in the abortion thread, it's fruitless. If someone believes it's o.k to kill that baby then we just are too far apart to come to an agreement the rest is semantics and it's not worth arguing usually.
It is pointless to post here unless you want to vent about the immoral positions of the soulless creatures known as proabortionists.
STARKE, Fla. — Anticipating his reward in heaven, an unrepentant Paul Hill awaited execution Wednesday for the shotgun slayings of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard outside a Pensacola clinic nine years ago.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96286,00.html
he may be in for a little surprise.
he may be in for a little surprise.
As if you would have any idea.
my ideas on the hereafter are as valid as anyone's.
my ideas on the hereafter are as valid as anyone's.
Again, as if you would have any idea.
again...as much as anyone
again...as much as anyone
No, crabs, once again you are wrong.
I'm wrong in thinking that no one actually KNOWS for certain what happenes when they die?
so...you just go straight from belief to knowledge without any proof?
so, if I'm wrong, then please explain how someone knowsmore about what happens when someone dies than someone else?
I'll wait.
STARKE, Fla. — The execution of Paul Hill for the murders of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard left abortion providers holding their breath, wary that the former minister may become a martyr to the anti-abortion cause and spur others to act violently.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96392,00.html
So the killers are afraid of being killed. Well isn't that special!
I heard someplace that like 8 out of every ten inmates on deathrow are like all super-ultra religious....
Its kinda messed up, people wait to turn religious.... they wait to do it, until its time for them to die.
it appears that bodine's respect for life doesn't extend beyond the vagina
Are you being stupid again, fold? Why should I ask, of course you are.
it appears that bodine's respect for life doesn't extend beyond the vagina
I respect life. I don't respect immorality. People have choices to make. Those that make the wrong choices deserve criticism and, in certain circumstances chastised and even humiliated.
whose immorality?
define it.
It is obvious you have no grasp of the concept of community and that communities can and should set standards.
so, you can't define it?
I see.
I see that you are a part of the problem with society.
go ahead...define it.
I'll wait.
The community defines what is acceptable. But an anarchist like yourself, refuses to recognize that.
that's your definition of morality?
it doesn't matter what my definition is. But it doesn't include butchering unborn children.
The community defines what is acceptable. But an anarchist like yourself, refuses to recognize that.
So do you alwaysdo what your community calls acceptable?
it does if you are going to be using the word about someone.
I don't butcher anyone...I'm not a doctor.
So do you always do what your community calls acceptable?
Does it matter? The standard should remain the same. I don't expect the standard to change due to my own actions.
I don't butcher anyone...I'm not a doctor.
You support butchery. You believe it is okay for others to allow and even promote it.
you mean the "women can't vote or own property" standard? or do you mean the "black people can't eat it the same public place as white people" standard?
those didn't stay the same, did they?
not at all...I don't believe "others" have any say in it at all...it's not their business one way or the other.
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you mean the "women can't vote or own property" standard? or do you mean the "black people can't eat it the same public place as white people" standard? The classic maneuver of taking what I wrote out of context. Well, f*** you.
You believe it is okay for others to allow and even promote it. not at all...I don't believe "others" have any say in it at all...it's not their business one way or the other.
Then you shouldn't worry about murder or robbery or anything else unless it effects you personally.
so...you DON'T think that community standards should remain the same?
because community standards used to dictate that women couldn't vote or own property and that blacks couldn't eat in the same place as whites. these were standards of communities. they changed.
do you think they shouldn't have changed, bodine?
murder and robbery do affect people personally.
you want to give a fetus attached to a woman the rights of an individual.
they aren't an individual...that's why it's called "birth"
so...you DON'T think that community standards should remain the same?
They change over time. But one shouldn't expect them to change because of one's own preference.
murder and robbery do affect me personally.
Not unless you or someone you know is murdered or robbed.
why do you think the "standards" that I mentioned changed?
no....they still affect me.
Actually no... they might have some other kind of affect... maybe something happened in the past, to where news of a robbery or a murder gets him upset?
why do you think the "standards" that I mentioned changed?
Not because you or any one individual wanted them changed. they changed over time by gradual acceptance of the change.
Actually no... they might have some other kind of affect... maybe something happened in the past, to where news of a robbery or a murder gets him upset?
Abortion upsets me but crabs doesn't give a damn about that.
Few things effect crabs. Running low on dope does however.
actually...they changed because people made laws to change it.
the "community" didn't want those black kids in their school when the National Guard got called out.
but still...no definition of what you call "immorality" is forthcoming...however, we now understand that they aren't absolutes, even for you...it's just a matter of degrees (in your case time)