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Debate the abortion issue here.

crabgrass

Few things effect crabs. Running low on dope does however

I never run low on dopes...I can always log in here and get my fill of dopes like you

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:10 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

And that effected you how? It really didn't so why are you concerned? Maybe because it was a question of morality, right and wrong? Well, how do you define immorality?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:28 AM Permalink
crabgrass

Oh yes there are those instances when federal judges usurped power they did not have to enact their own political agenda

so, you think women having the right to vote and blacks being able to eat at the same place as whites is simply a "political agenda"?

okay

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:46 AM Permalink
crabgrass

Well, how do you define immorality?

I'm not the one using the term, you are...and you are still refusing to define it.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:47 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

so, you think women having the right to vote and blacks being able to eat at the same place as whites is simply a "political agenda"? Funny I thought those things were taken care of by amendments to the constitution. Damn I need to get on top of those history revisions.

I'm not the one using the term, you are...and you are still refusing to define it. The hell if you are not.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:52 AM Permalink
crabgrass

Funny I thought those things were taken care of by amendments to the constitution. Damn I need to get on top of those history revisions.

and an amendment happens over a long period of time according to you.

The hell if you are not

I have not used the term "morality" or immorality" except to reference your using it.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 10:56 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

and an amendment happens over a long period of time according to you.

Indeed they do. it is called thinking through a problem before ramming through a solution that later you may live to regret.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 11:05 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

I have not used the term "morality" or immorality" except to reference your using it.

You are correct that you have not used the term but almost everything you write is an advocation of your view of morality.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 11:08 AM Permalink
THX 1138



Whatever happened to the ERA amendment?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 11:14 AM Permalink
crabgrass

but almost everything you write is an advocation of your view of morality.

through your warped perspective, I have no doubt that you see it that way...myself, I don't equate rights with morality...although they are related in some ways

Whatever happened to the ERA amendment?

it got defeated in 1974...too bad too...I marched for it.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 12:14 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

through your warped perspective, I have no doubt that you see it that way...myself, I don't equate rights with morality...although they are related in some ways

through your warped perspective I have no doubt you believe this. but then you believe in a lot of lies.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 12:37 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

Whatever happened to the ERA amendment?

what a crock the ERA was. we should all be thankful that it has never been ratified.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 12:38 PM Permalink
crabgrass

what a crock the ERA was

why is that?

all it said was that everyone should be treated equally regardless of what sex they are.

what's wrong with that?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 12:53 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

all it said was that everyone should be treated equally regardless of what sex they are.

what's wrong with that?

It would have been just another tool for liberal judges to experiment in social engineering.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 12:56 PM Permalink
crabgrass

liberal judges to experiment in social engineering.

what social engineering that required everyone to be treated equally would you object to?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 1:03 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

what social engineering that required everyone to be treated equally would you object to?

Another example of you not getting it. That is not what would have occured. Certain judges would be instituting living wages and other idiotic theories. It well could undermine the entire country.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 1:54 PM Permalink
crabgrass

Another example of you not getting it.

I can't get what you don't give

Certain judges would be instituting living wages and other idiotic theories

and this has what exactly to do with the ERA?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 2:03 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

and this has what exactly to do with the ERA?

Nothing. That was the point.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 2:13 PM Permalink
crabgrass

Nothing. That was the point.

so, you use something that has nothing to do with the ERA to say why you think the ERA was a crock?

uh...okay

let's try this again...not using examples that have nothing to do with the ERA, why do you think the ERA was a crock?

all it said was that everyone gets treated equally.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 2:42 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

because the whole point of the amendment was to give the courts a new tool to use in the culture war.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 3:09 PM Permalink
crabgrass

because the whole point of the amendment was to give the courts a new tool to use in the culture war

this makes no sense...other than to show that you are paranoid.

do you think that everyone being treated equal is "culture war"?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 4:21 PM Permalink
crabgrass

the whole point of the amendment

the whole point of the amendment was to insure that everyone was treated equally.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 4:36 PM Permalink
Torpedo-8

did you burn your bra too crabs?

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 5:28 PM Permalink
crabgrass

did you burn your bra too crabs?

my jock

and I told a Preist not to call a woman a harlot, since she was, you know...my mom.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 5:29 PM Permalink
THX 1138



I was just a kid, but I recall the ERA wanted to give special treatment to women in particular, that's what was wrong with it.

Even my Father, a lefty union man, was against the ERA.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 7:25 PM Permalink
crabgrass

but I recall the ERA wanted to give special treatment to women in particular

well...I don't see any "special" rights in it...it's a very short, straightforward document...

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

Tue, 09/09/2003 - 8:45 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

the whole point of the amendment was to insure that everyone was treated equally Can you say gullible?

well...I don't see any "special" rights in it...it's a very short, straightforward document...

GULLIBLE!!!!!!

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 7:18 AM Permalink
Torpedo-8

"appropiate legislation"...you could drive a Mack truck thru that door.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 7:35 AM Permalink
crabgrass

"appropiate legislation"...you could drive a Mack truck thru that door.

"the provisions of this article. "

and all those provisions are is....

Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

equality

you wouldn't want to upholding the provision of equality?

I see.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 8:47 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

you wouldn't want to upholding the provision of equality?

But that was NOT the intent.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 8:59 AM Permalink
crabgrass

But that was NOT the intent.

what part of this don't you understand?

Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 9:02 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

what part of deception and ulterior motives don't you understand?

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 9:37 AM Permalink
Torpedo-8

If you want to blindly trust the politicians, then go right ahead crabs.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 10:52 AM Permalink
crabgrass

If you want to blindly trust the politicians, then go right ahead crabs.

actually, to not have a law to protect everyone's rights equally is what is "blind trust".

what part of deception and ulterior motives don't you understand?

I understand the ulterior motives of opponents of equal rights

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 11:59 AM Permalink
jethro bodine

I understand the ulterior motives of opponents of equal rights

I am sure you understand the ulterior motives of those that promoted it to. But you just can't acknowledge it

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 12:28 PM Permalink
crabgrass

I am sure you understand the ulterior motives of those that promoted it to.

and what would those be?

making sure that women got the same pay for the same work?

yea...that's ulterior.

I understood the motives of the people promoting it...they were the same motives as the people who promoted women's right to vote back at the turn of the century...nothing devious or ulterior about it...just trying to make things equal for everyone.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 12:50 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

making sure that women got the same pay for the same work?

But you know that is not what they want. They wanted to compare jobs and set pay scales based on their own view of what is valuable and who whould get what. That isn't freedom.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:17 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

I understood the motives of the people promoting it...they were the same motives as the people who promoted women's right to vote back at the turn of the century...nothing devious or ulterior about it...just trying to make things equal for everyone.

You are either gullible or a liar. Have your pick.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:17 PM Permalink
Torpedo-8

he's thinking about it.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:21 PM Permalink
crabgrass

But you know that is not what they want. They wanted to compare jobs and set pay scales based on their own view of what is valuable and who whould get what. That isn't freedom.

no...at the time, if you compared jobs and pay scales, you would find that they were already based on a view...a view that women weren't worth as much and that men should get more for the same thing. That isn't equality.

all the ERA would do is prevent these decisions that were already in place from continuing to be made based on what sex a person was.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 2:15 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

no...at the time, if you compared jobs and pay scales, you would find that they were already based on a view...a view that women weren't worth as much and that men should get more for the same thing. That isn't equality. You can't compare different jobs and that is exactly what the socialists want. What you want is tyranny. And you profess to be for freedom. Bah!!!

all the ERA would do is prevent these decisions that were already in place from continuing to be made based on what sex a person was. No it wasn't.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:01 PM Permalink
Wicked Nick

You cant compare different jobs?

You mean you havent ever just been sitting around with friends, and started talking about what you all do for a living, comparing them to eachother, and comparing your pay with one another's?

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:04 PM Permalink
jethro bodine

You mean you havent ever just been sitting around with friends, and started talking about what you all do for a living, comparing them to each other, and comparing your pay with one another's?

So who is going to make the decision who gets paid what? the courts?

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:12 PM Permalink
crabgrass

You can't compare different jobs and that is exactly what the socialists want

I'm talking about the same jobs.

What you want is tyranny. And you profess to be for freedom. Bah!!!

You call a law that says you can't dicriminate against someone based on what sex they are "tyranny"? I see. And you think that being able to discriminate against someone based on what sex they are is "freedom"? Got it.

No it wasn't

no what wasn't?

the words are right there...that's what they say.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:14 PM Permalink
crabgrass

So who is going to make the decision who gets paid what? the courts?

the same people would make the decisions...just they can't base those decisions on what sex someone is....it's no different than preventing those decisions being made on the basis of what color the person was.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:16 PM Permalink
Wicked Nick

So who is going to make the decision who gets paid what? the courts?

Did I even mention anything about deciding who gets paid what?? Where the hell did you get that, out of my comment?

All I said was that people are able to compare jobs to someone else's...

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 3:17 PM Permalink
THX 1138



Crabby, aren't you infringing upon a persons rights by saying they can't discriminate against someone?

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 5:34 PM Permalink
crabgrass

Crabby, aren't you infringing upon a persons rights by saying they can't discriminate against someone?

someone ELSE

you are protect the rights of the person being discriminated against

your rights do not extend to denying someone ELSE'S rights.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 6:33 PM Permalink
Torpedo-8

Wrong again crabs. A judge can deny a person's freedom. There's your extension.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 7:09 PM Permalink
crabgrass

A judge can deny a person's freedom.

for infringing on SOMEONE ELSE'S rights.

any other reason is oppressive.

Wed, 09/10/2003 - 7:22 PM Permalink