A judge sentences a person to jail for a DWI. The driver was not in an accident and was stopped for a tail light out only. How is that infringing on someone elses rights?
I assume you're therefore against such things as quotas and affirmative action?
sure, I'm against a society telling a group of people that they can't have a job or an education because they are...say...black. But I get the feeling that you are talking about societies attempts to remedy that.
And I'd like to know who exactly says blacks can't have a job or an education?
uh...slavery...Jim Crow laws...that sort of thing
we addressed this with the Civil Rights Act.
The Jim Crow laws were wrong, and required the addressing of damages that these violations of rights caused.
Now, I'd like to think that that damage has been rectified, but I'm not sure they have yet.
The problem with quotas and affirmative action is that it is trying to deal with the wrongs caused by a society, but it winds up dealing with the individual.
The problem with quotas and affirmative action is that it is trying to deal with the wrongs caused by a society, but it winds up dealing with the individual.
No, quotas and affirmative action and "diversity" all lump individuals together into classes, ethnic groups, and other strata. The problem with ALL the ideas that are supposed to rectify past wrongs is that they in fact DO NOT treat people as individuals.
All of Britain was buzzing last week after a tabloid published highly controversial photos -- not of a topless supermodel or two female pop singers kissing or Prince William in a grass skirt but of angelic babies smiling in the womb.
Holly Marie Patterson went to a Planned Parenthood clinic two weeks ago to quietly consider ways to handle a life change she wasn't ready for. One week later, the 18-year-old lay dying on an emergency room table, the victim of complications after she took the abortion pill.
Holly Marie Patterson went to a Planned Parenthood clinic two weeks ago to quietly consider ways to handle a life change she wasn't ready for. One week later, the 18-year-old lay dying on an emergency room table, the victim of complications after she took the abortion pill.
3 Feet of Feces Dug Up in Home of 130 Cats 10:05 -
Cats were literally coming out of the walls of this south side home. Last week, Milwaukee police found 130 felines and a dog in house where trash and cat feces was found up to 3 feet deep.
Patients who take RU-486 take the first pill under the care of a physician. A second medication called misoprostol, taken three days later, induces labor so the embryo can be expelled. In 5 to 8 percent of cases, surgery is required to stop the patient's bleeding.
Exactly! That means five to eight out of every 100 women need surgery to stop the bleeding. This is ridiculous and obviously not stressed when info is given.
Eric Schaff, chair of the National Abortion Federation, which promotes non-surgical abortion, said aspirin causes more deaths than RU-486.
What other illnesses do these people have who take the aspirin? With the RU-486 you are talking about young, healthy girls in a majority of cases.
Also, aspirin can be used to overdose when committing suicide. Those deaths can be included in the statement from Eric Schaff.
But anti-abortion groups such as the National Right to Life Committee insist that the pills "offer a whole new set of significant risks," and makes abortion seem too simple.
Damn right, and that is exactly what teens think, all you have to do is take a pill, like when you have a headache.
A report on the group's Web site says the pill gives "supporters of abortion a chance to change the image of abortion, making it seem as simple as taking a pill."
Not likely anymore...
Although he said he did not blame the pill for his daughter's death, Monty Patterson regretted that she and her boyfriend hadn't received more information and support from family members, counselors and physicians.
The girl went to the hospital 2 times and was dying when her parents were called. This is an outrage!
"What's disturbing is these young couples, they are relying upon what they think is good, solid info, and relying on what they think is a supportive network telling them everything is OK," he said. "I would have said, 'You know what, they don't know everything. Let's get more information.'"
And in some places, the schools will let them leave campus and not inform parents for these dangerous, life threatening activities to occur.
LOL!! Maybe he could use an enema.
<joke> Probably needs one for the brain as well so he could think clearly... but then again the jingle of the dollars he is making is clearly giving him a one track mind.
Too bad for the girl and her family. I hope this story gets a lot of publicity so young people can really take note that this can happen to them too.
I am really saddened by this news. I do have to wonder though about the family and what it was like beforehand. The father didn't know about the daughter being pregnant. He didn't know she had gone to the hospital or was feeling sick apparently. How close was this family? What was the environment that the girl was in?
Her mother and father were divorced. Her mother lived in a different state and the way she talked on the interview, the father knew the information first. She (the girl) had gone to the hospital twice and was basically on her death bed by the time both parents found out. A big mistake IMO.
The thing that bothers me is, and it was pointed out in the talk show on FOX called "DaySide w/ Linda Vester", how many kids growing up had times they were "scared" to tell their parents things... thinking "they will kill me" (not literally).
Teens working on independence from Parents like to make their own independent decisions, without weighing the consequences much of the times and their still developing brains have the "no fear" of consequences, such as "this will never happen to me"... as evidenced by their often times risky behaviors, more frequent and serious driving accidents, etc. They need the wisdom and input from parents.
Then on top of that, you have schools who want to put up walls in communication between students and parents and that does no one any good in the majority of cases.
She was a pretty blonde haired, blue eyed girl who graduated from high school 1 year early and was looking forward to attending college. She had such a bright future ahead of her. Then in a split second, after swallowing a pill... it all changed.
Here you have a girl academically advanced and at the same time possibly emotionally immature. This combination can make for some disasterous results because of how she presents to others. She especially would need parents close to her in her life because her mental capabilites being so advanced, yet her emotional maturity not so advanced... hence, she still needs lots of guidance from parents first, and then genuinely caring adults who communicate with her parents, and have her overall best interest in mind are the ones she needed to surround herself with.
When other (seemingly caring) adults take it upon themselves to decide and make judgement calls where they withhold things from parents ...it is often not a good thing.
Paula, Thanks for the info. That does explain some things. Since mom lives in a different state, I would think that they are not close. I'm also guessing that since she didn't tell dad, that her and her father had a hard time discussing things like sex or female things.
There are probably a number of kids who think their parents will kill them if they get pregnant or get in trouble of some sort. Those that don't either do what they want to piss their parents off anyways, or they have a great relationship with their parents and are comfortable in their parental support.
Kids do have a problem with over-confidence or estimating situations wrong. They think they know it all, and with that all supreme knowledge, they always make the right decision. That or it won't happen to them. Parents can help them in life by giving them accurate information, teaching them how to critically think through situations, how to stay out of bad situations. Parents also can help by being involved in their kids' lives and being supportive of them through good and bad times.
As far as putting up walls in communication, I think its more than just schools. A huge part of kids' lives is their peers. Friends may influence kids to not be as forthcoming with parents, which hurts the parties involved.
When you mention the adults keeping things from parents, I'm not sure who you are referring to. The boyfriend's parents may not have known at all. If the girl's father didn't know, the boyfriend most likely would not have told his parents for fear that they might tell her father. I could be wrong, but I thought that the girl was 18. If she is 18, are the doctors under any obligation at all to tell her father? I'm thinking of the patient/doctor confidentiality that they may be afraid of breaking.
Unfortunately families are becoming weaker as time goes by it seems. Divorce is much more prevalent, as well as single parent families. If you have one adult raising children, thats a lot of burden for one person. These parents are busy trying to work enough where they can support their family. They also have to do the housework, take care of the kids, and take care of themselves, all on their own. These parents may not have the time or the energy to really get involved with their kids. Of course this doesn't even get into the two-parent families. While they may be more stable, there are still many parents who don't communicate well with their children and have a really good relationship with them. Have a good relationship with your kids, then its going to be easier to make sure that they are correctly informed about serious topics, that you can easily talk to them about these topics, that they can have a sense of security that you love them and are there for them. I think if there was more focus on families and strengthening them, it would go a long way.
WASHINGTON — Culminating an eight-year battle that featured two presidential vetoes, Congress is poised again to ban doctors from carrying out a procedure for terminating pregnancies that opponents call partial birth abortion.
Last August, a group of pro-life researchers -- the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Concerned Women for America and the Christian Medical Association -- filed a 90-page "citizen's petition" with the FDA outlining how Clinton's FDA ignored its own laws and procedures to rubber-stamp Mifeprex, one half of the two-drug RU-486 regimen. Mifeprex kills the baby by destroying the nutrient lining of the uterus. A few days later, Misopristol is used to expel the corpse from the womb. Here's what went wrong:
September 30, 2003, 10:02 a.m. Miracles of Life The Beltway goes inside the womb.
By Pia de Solenni
Samuel Armas made more of an impact on this world before he was born than most of us make in a lifetime. — Michael Clancy.
Clancy would know. He recorded Samuel's heroic grasp in the 1999 photograph now known as "The Hand of Hope."
Samuel's parents learned before their son was born that he had spina bifida, a hole in his spine which would leave him physically and mentally disabled. Termination of the pregnancy was not an option; Samuel's parents wanted him regardless of his disabilities. This same courage drove them to find an answer to his problem.
When Samuel was 24-weeks-old in utero, his mother underwent surgery to correct his condition. After the surgery was completed, Clancy noticed that the womb was moving and no one was touching it. In a split second, a hand reached through the incision in the womb. A doctor touched it and the tiny hand, in a motion that recalls Michelangelo's Creation of Adam, tightly squeezed the doctor's finger.
Clancy took the picture. An attending nurse asked what happened. When he explained, she responded, "Oh, they do that all the time."
Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kan.) sponsored a Senate hearing last Thursday to highlight advances in fetal surgery. Witnesses included Samuel's parents, photographer Michael Clancy, Dr. James Thorpe a maternal fetal-medicine specialist, and Samuel himself. For Washingtonians whose work focuses on family, life, and bioethics issues, Brownback's hearing provided a rare opportunity.
We're used to fighting hard and we understand the voices of Americans outside the Beltway who neither understand nor accept the culture of death. Although it's been 30 years since Roe v. Wade was passed, legalizing abortion on demand throughout the United States, we haven't lost. The fight's still going.
Kate Michelman, president of NARAL-Pro-Choice America, alluded to our strength when she recently announced her upcoming resignation. She fears that we will win and bring back a culture of life, in which each person is protected from conception until natural death.
Senator Brownback clearly stated that the hearing on Thursday was not about abortion. As he pointed out, it's a given that the unborn child is alive. The question for another hearing would be, Is this life is worth protecting?
Advances in fetal surgery provide the opportunity to witness the unique character of a child even before birth. When Samuel reached his hand through the opening in the womb, he became a hero. He reminded us why we do the work we do, why we love our families and work to protect them, and why we strive to protect innocent human life at every stage of development.
While the legislature and the courts may lag behind, medicine has already granted unborn children special rights as patients. Dr. Thorpe specializes in unborn patients. They're people who aren't recognized by law, but he treats them. In Samuel's case, the insurance company also recognized him and covered the bill. In the eyes of the law, Samuel didn't exist at that point. Naming him was pure sentimentality since personhood would only be granted to him once he was born. His surgery, however, was reality, not a figment of someone's imagination.
Samuel may only be three-years-old, but he was able to identify himself when the senator pointed to the "Hand of Hope" and asked him if he knew who it was.
Easy. "Baby Samuel."
The senator proceeded to ask Samuel if he knew what had been done to him.
"They fixed my boo-boo."
Technology and medicine have enabled us to come to know the personality of the unborn child earlier and earlier in its development. Just this month, doctors in the U.K. recorded the smiles of unborn children, 24-weeks-old, through ultrasound. This technology, most notably provided by General Electric, enables parents to see their unborn child so clearly that they can note whether he's got mom's mouth, dad's chin, or grandma's nose.
The same technology allows doctors to see complications so that specialists like Dr. Thorpe can operate on in utero infants as young as 19-weeks-old, correcting such defects as cleft palate and spina bifida. Doctors may soon be able to provide in utero the type of cord-blood-cell transfusions (adult stem cells) that cured 16-year-old Keone Penn of sickle-cell anemia. In other words, they can start a child's cure before her birth.
Dr. Thorpe's patients are just like any small child. They shrink from the pain of the needle when they get a shot. They draw back and literally need to be chased around the womb. They require sedation for surgery like other patients because they react to pain. Only science limits the treatment of the unborn child, and as it advances the limit becomes younger and younger. Last week was yet another instance when we were able to witness the miracle of life authentically assisted by science. The conversation as Senator Brownback interviewed his three-year-old witness reminded us all of the unique personality and gifts that each person has. Samuel was the star of that room and everyone wanted to know his story. Without the love and courage of Samuel's parents and his doctors, we likely would not know Samuel. He would not have had the chance to awe us with his first handshake.
Samuel has been a charmer since before he was born. Perhaps the next time Samuel's visiting in D.C., the Supreme Court justices and many of our congressmen could spend some time with him to better understand the continuum of human dignity. After all, if a three-year-old can get it...
— Pia de Solenni is director of Life and Women's Issues at the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C.
Three weeks ago, the House passed the bill with a 281-142 vote, and Senate action would send it to President Bush (search), who strongly supports the ban.
The legislation bans a procedure, generally performed in the second or third trimester, in which a fetus is partially delivered before a doctor punctures the skull. Doctors who violate the ban could be subject to up to two years in jail.
The Left believes that a woman must have an unrestricted right to choose an abortion but no right to choose a silicone breast implant. The Right believes that society must decide when abortions are moral and legal but a woman has the right to choose to have a silicone breast implant.
But you don't think I should have a choice in whether I "Share" or not
I have never said that.
We have to agreeto share our common health and education. It's not yours or mine. It's ours.But only if we agree it's ours. If you don't agree, than you should by all means opt out and go it on your own....and hope you that you are never in a position that you need it and can't get it. And even then, I would want to pay to let you have it too.
A woman's pregnancy isn't "ours", it's hers. It's not part of "ours" until it's born. It's mother, however, is a part of "our", and that is enough.
A judge sentences a person to jail for a DWI. The driver was not in an accident and was stopped for a tail light out only. How is that infringing on someone elses rights?
the operation of a vehicle while impaired endangers others.
you are protect the rights of the person being discriminated against
your rights do not extend to denying someone ELSE'S rights.
I assume you're therefore against such things as quotas and affirmative action?
sure, I'm against a society telling a group of people that they can't have a job or an education because they are...say...black. But I get the feeling that you are talking about societies attempts to remedy that.
Yes crabs. The operation of a vehicle while impaired does endanger others.
It does not however infringe on a specific right.
I see that crabs favors the dumbing down of minorities...interesting.
I see that you still cannot comprehend what you read.
I comprehend just fine thank you.
I say this...
and you get this...
and you think you have comprehended what I said?
sure you do.
It's your typical run around the LEFT end crabs.
And I'd like to know who exactly says blacks can't have a job or an education?
uh...slavery...Jim Crow laws...that sort of thing
we addressed this with the Civil Rights Act.
The Jim Crow laws were wrong, and required the addressing of damages that these violations of rights caused.
Now, I'd like to think that that damage has been rectified, but I'm not sure they have yet.
The problem with quotas and affirmative action is that it is trying to deal with the wrongs caused by a society, but it winds up dealing with the individual.
Your primary examples come from 2 centuries ago...Uhhh...Okaaaaaaay.
The problem with quotas and affirmative action is that it is trying to deal with the wrongs caused by a society, but it winds up dealing with the individual.
No, quotas and affirmative action and "diversity" all lump individuals together into classes, ethnic groups, and other strata. The problem with ALL the ideas that are supposed to rectify past wrongs is that they in fact DO NOT treat people as individuals.
All of Britain was buzzing last week after a tabloid published highly controversial photos -- not of a topless supermodel or two female pop singers kissing or Prince William in a grass skirt but of angelic babies smiling in the womb.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20030919.shtml
Holly Marie Patterson went to a Planned Parenthood clinic two weeks ago to quietly consider ways to handle a life change she wasn't ready for. One week later, the 18-year-old lay dying on an emergency room table, the victim of complications after she took the abortion pill.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97925,00.html
Planned Parenthood kills!
Jethro, I was just going to post that info. Here is another source... and a couple other interesting stories.
NARAL President to Resign After 18 Years
11:33 -
http://www.gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030922/APA/309220601&cachetime=5
The leader of one of the nation's most influential abortion rights organizations announced Monday that she would give up her post next spring.
Teen Dies After Taking Abortion Pill
10:13 -
http://www.gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030922/APA/309220607&cachetime=5
Holly Marie Patterson went to a Planned Parenthood clinic two weeks ago to quietly consider ways to handle a life change she wasn't ready for. One week later, the 18-year-old lay dying on an emergency room table, the victim of complications after she took the abortion pill.
3 Feet of Feces Dug Up in Home of 130 Cats
10:05 -
http://www.gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030922/APA/309220697&cachetime=5
Cats were literally coming out of the walls of this south side home.
Last week, Milwaukee police found 130 felines and a dog in house where trash and cat feces was found up to 3 feet deep.
Oh yeah, and BTW, Hi! Hope you have all been well!
I haven't been here in a while.
Exactly! That means five to eight out of every 100 women need surgery to stop the bleeding. This is ridiculous and obviously not stressed when info is given.
What other illnesses do these people have who take the aspirin? With the RU-486 you are talking about young, healthy girls in a majority of cases.
Also, aspirin can be used to overdose when committing suicide. Those deaths can be included in the statement from Eric Schaff.
Damn right, and that is exactly what teens think, all you have to do is take a pill, like when you have a headache.
Not likely anymore...
The girl went to the hospital 2 times and was dying when her parents were called. This is an outrage!
And in some places, the schools will let them leave campus and not inform parents for these dangerous, life threatening activities to occur.
Umm, in every abortion someone dies. Mr. Schaff is full of crap.
I added to the above the fact that aspirin is often used when committing suicide too.
Accidental overdose also causes many deaths.
jethro bodine 9/22/03 10:34am
LOL!! Maybe he could use an enema.
<joke> Probably needs one for the brain as well so he could think clearly... but then again the jingle of the dollars he is making is clearly giving him a one track mind.
Too bad for the girl and her family. I hope this story gets a lot of publicity so young people can really take note that this can happen to them too.
I am really saddened by this news. I do have to wonder though about the family and what it was like beforehand. The father didn't know about the daughter being pregnant. He didn't know she had gone to the hospital or was feeling sick apparently. How close was this family? What was the environment that the girl was in?
ThoseMedallingKids 9/22/03 11:22am
Hi,
Her mother and father were divorced. Her mother lived in a different state and the way she talked on the interview, the father knew the information first. She (the girl) had gone to the hospital twice and was basically on her death bed by the time both parents found out. A big mistake IMO.
The thing that bothers me is, and it was pointed out in the talk show on FOX called "DaySide w/ Linda Vester", how many kids growing up had times they were "scared" to tell their parents things... thinking "they will kill me" (not literally).
Teens working on independence from Parents like to make their own independent decisions, without weighing the consequences much of the times and their still developing brains have the "no fear" of consequences, such as "this will never happen to me"... as evidenced by their often times risky behaviors, more frequent and serious driving accidents, etc. They need the wisdom and input from parents.
Then on top of that, you have schools who want to put up walls in communication between students and parents and that does no one any good in the majority of cases.
She was a pretty blonde haired, blue eyed girl who graduated from high school 1 year early and was looking forward to attending college. She had such a bright future ahead of her. Then in a split second, after swallowing a pill... it all changed.
Here you have a girl academically advanced and at the same time possibly emotionally immature. This combination can make for some disasterous results because of how she presents to others. She especially would need parents close to her in her life because her mental capabilites being so advanced, yet her emotional maturity not so advanced... hence, she still needs lots of guidance from parents first, and then genuinely caring adults who communicate with her parents, and have her overall best interest in mind are the ones she needed to surround herself with.
When other (seemingly caring) adults take it upon themselves to decide and make judgement calls where they withhold things from parents ...it is often not a good thing.
Paula,
Thanks for the info. That does explain some things. Since mom lives in a different state, I would think that they are not close. I'm also guessing that since she didn't tell dad, that her and her father had a hard time discussing things like sex or female things.
There are probably a number of kids who think their parents will kill them if they get pregnant or get in trouble of some sort. Those that don't either do what they want to piss their parents off anyways, or they have a great relationship with their parents and are comfortable in their parental support.
Kids do have a problem with over-confidence or estimating situations wrong. They think they know it all, and with that all supreme knowledge, they always make the right decision. That or it won't happen to them. Parents can help them in life by giving them accurate information, teaching them how to critically think through situations, how to stay out of bad situations. Parents also can help by being involved in their kids' lives and being supportive of them through good and bad times.
As far as putting up walls in communication, I think its more than just schools. A huge part of kids' lives is their peers. Friends may influence kids to not be as forthcoming with parents, which hurts the parties involved.
When you mention the adults keeping things from parents, I'm not sure who you are referring to. The boyfriend's parents may not have known at all. If the girl's father didn't know, the boyfriend most likely would not have told his parents for fear that they might tell her father. I could be wrong, but I thought that the girl was 18. If she is 18, are the doctors under any obligation at all to tell her father? I'm thinking of the patient/doctor confidentiality that they may be afraid of breaking.
Unfortunately families are becoming weaker as time goes by it seems. Divorce is much more prevalent, as well as single parent families. If you have one adult raising children, thats a lot of burden for one person. These parents are busy trying to work enough where they can support their family. They also have to do the housework, take care of the kids, and take care of themselves, all on their own. These parents may not have the time or the energy to really get involved with their kids. Of course this doesn't even get into the two-parent families. While they may be more stable, there are still many parents who don't communicate well with their children and have a really good relationship with them. Have a good relationship with your kids, then its going to be easier to make sure that they are correctly informed about serious topics, that you can easily talk to them about these topics, that they can have a sense of security that you love them and are there for them. I think if there was more focus on families and strengthening them, it would go a long way.
WASHINGTON — Culminating an eight-year battle that featured two presidential vetoes, Congress is poised again to ban doctors from carrying out a procedure for terminating pregnancies that opponents call partial birth abortion.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98800,00.html
Last August, a group of pro-life researchers -- the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Concerned Women for America and the Christian Medical Association -- filed a 90-page "citizen's petition" with the FDA outlining how Clinton's FDA ignored its own laws and procedures to rubber-stamp Mifeprex, one half of the two-drug RU-486 regimen. Mifeprex kills the baby by destroying the nutrient lining of the uterus. A few days later, Misopristol is used to expel the corpse from the womb. Here's what went wrong:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/bb20031001.shtml
check this out
September 30, 2003, 10:02 a.m.
Miracles of Life
The Beltway goes inside the womb.
By Pia de Solenni
Samuel Armas made more of an impact on this world before he was born than most of us make in a lifetime. — Michael Clancy.
Clancy would know. He recorded Samuel's heroic grasp in the 1999 photograph now known as "The Hand of Hope."
Samuel's parents learned before their son was born that he had spina bifida, a hole in his spine which would leave him physically and mentally disabled. Termination of the pregnancy was not an option; Samuel's parents wanted him regardless of his disabilities. This same courage drove them to find an answer to his problem.
When Samuel was 24-weeks-old in utero, his mother underwent surgery to correct his condition. After the surgery was completed, Clancy noticed that the womb was moving and no one was touching it. In a split second, a hand reached through the incision in the womb. A doctor touched it and the tiny hand, in a motion that recalls Michelangelo's Creation of Adam, tightly squeezed the doctor's finger.
Clancy took the picture. An attending nurse asked what happened. When he explained, she responded, "Oh, they do that all the time."
Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kan.) sponsored a Senate hearing last Thursday to highlight advances in fetal surgery. Witnesses included Samuel's parents, photographer Michael Clancy, Dr. James Thorpe a maternal fetal-medicine specialist, and Samuel himself. For Washingtonians whose work focuses on family, life, and bioethics issues, Brownback's hearing provided a rare opportunity.
We're used to fighting hard and we understand the voices of Americans outside the Beltway who neither understand nor accept the culture of death. Although it's been 30 years since Roe v. Wade was passed, legalizing abortion on demand throughout the United States, we haven't lost. The fight's still going.
Kate Michelman, president of NARAL-Pro-Choice America, alluded to our strength when she recently announced her upcoming resignation. She fears that we will win and bring back a culture of life, in which each person is protected from conception until natural death.
Senator Brownback clearly stated that the hearing on Thursday was not about abortion. As he pointed out, it's a given that the unborn child is alive. The question for another hearing would be, Is this life is worth protecting?
Advances in fetal surgery provide the opportunity to witness the unique character of a child even before birth. When Samuel reached his hand through the opening in the womb, he became a hero. He reminded us why we do the work we do, why we love our families and work to protect them, and why we strive to protect innocent human life at every stage of development.
While the legislature and the courts may lag behind, medicine has already granted unborn children special rights as patients. Dr. Thorpe specializes in unborn patients. They're people who aren't recognized by law, but he treats them. In Samuel's case, the insurance company also recognized him and covered the bill. In the eyes of the law, Samuel didn't exist at that point. Naming him was pure sentimentality since personhood would only be granted to him once he was born. His surgery, however, was reality, not a figment of someone's imagination.
Samuel may only be three-years-old, but he was able to identify himself when the senator pointed to the "Hand of Hope" and asked him if he knew who it was.
Easy. "Baby Samuel."
The senator proceeded to ask Samuel if he knew what had been done to him.
"They fixed my boo-boo."
Technology and medicine have enabled us to come to know the personality of the unborn child earlier and earlier in its development. Just this month, doctors in the U.K. recorded the smiles of unborn children, 24-weeks-old, through ultrasound. This technology, most notably provided by General Electric, enables parents to see their unborn child so clearly that they can note whether he's got mom's mouth, dad's chin, or grandma's nose.
The same technology allows doctors to see complications so that specialists like Dr. Thorpe can operate on in utero infants as young as 19-weeks-old, correcting such defects as cleft palate and spina bifida. Doctors may soon be able to provide in utero the type of cord-blood-cell transfusions (adult stem cells) that cured 16-year-old Keone Penn of sickle-cell anemia. In other words, they can start a child's cure before her birth.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/solenni200309301002.asp
Dr. Thorpe's patients are just like any small child. They shrink from the pain of the needle when they get a shot. They draw back and literally need to be chased around the womb. They require sedation for surgery like other patients because they react to pain. Only science limits the treatment of the unborn child, and as it advances the limit becomes younger and younger.
Last week was yet another instance when we were able to witness the miracle of life authentically assisted by science. The conversation as Senator Brownback interviewed his three-year-old witness reminded us all of the unique personality and gifts that each person has. Samuel was the star of that room and everyone wanted to know his story. Without the love and courage of Samuel's parents and his doctors, we likely would not know Samuel. He would not have had the chance to awe us with his first handshake.
Samuel has been a charmer since before he was born. Perhaps the next time Samuel's visiting in D.C., the Supreme Court justices and many of our congressmen could spend some time with him to better understand the continuum of human dignity. After all, if a three-year-old can get it...
— Pia de Solenni is director of Life and Women's Issues at the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C.
Little Samuel, I hope you change history.
Here is the original article:
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/hand.htm
I am still in awe as when I first saw the article. Truly a miracle.
Senate Set to OK Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100713,00.html
Three weeks ago, the House passed the bill with a 281-142 vote, and Senate action would send it to President Bush (search), who strongly supports the ban.
The legislation bans a procedure, generally performed in the second or third trimester, in which a fetus is partially delivered before a doctor punctures the skull. Doctors who violate the ban could be subject to up to two years in jail.
just what the world needs, politicians playing doctor.
what the world needs is moral leadership, something you don't understand, crabs
The Left believes that a woman must have an unrestricted right to choose an abortion but no right to choose a silicone breast implant. The Right believes that society must decide when abortions are moral and legal but a woman has the right to choose to have a silicone breast implant.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20031021.shtml
there is nothing moral about interfering with someone's medical treatment.
there is nothing moral about interfering with someone's medical treatment.
Like I said you don't understand anything about morality. At best you are amoral, at worst immoral.
Just medical treatment.
Same old tired argument.
I understand that you don't force it on people.
Crabby, why do you believe you can force your beliefs on the rest of society, such as with your stance on education and healthcare?
so, you think abortion is immoral. And that killing a doctor to prevent them from performing one is moral.
I don't understand your morality, that's for sure.
Don't want to either. I don't think you understand the difference between morality and self-righteousness.
and what exactly do you think my stance on education and healthcare is exactly?
and what exactly do you think my stance on education and healthcare is exactly?
That we should all share the cost.
AKA: Share the misery equally.
Crabby, what do you think of the UN?
so, you think abortion is immoral. And that killing a doctor to prevent them from performing one is moral.
There you go again lying about the positions held by people here. I don't know of anyone that said it was the right to kill abortionists.
you've implied that you believe its right to kill doctors who perform them.
no, what I said was that they should be able to use the "defense of others" affirmative defense at trial.
what is the difference?
what part of "sharing" do you get "forcing" from?
what is the difference?
the difference is that a jury would get to decide if the actions were justified.
but you....you would decide they were, right?
you think that it's "moral", right?
two wrongs don't make a right, crabs. but if one wrong act can stop a lot of wrong acts then the one wrong act should at least be considered.
so bodine...how many children have you adopted?
what part of "sharing" do you get "forcing" from?
But you don't think I should have a choice in whether I "Share" or not. Therefore it's not really sharing is it. That's where the forcing comes in.
Now, if you can force me help pay for your education, or your healthcare, shouldn't I be able to prevent you from murdering children?
so bodine...how many children have you adopted?
How many have you adopted, Crabby?
How many of your potential offspring have been aborted?
btw: What do you think of the UN?
I have never said that.
We have to agreeto share our common health and education. It's not yours or mine. It's ours.But only if we agree it's ours. If you don't agree, than you should by all means opt out and go it on your own....and hope you that you are never in a position that you need it and can't get it. And even then, I would want to pay to let you have it too.
A woman's pregnancy isn't "ours", it's hers. It's not part of "ours" until it's born. It's mother, however, is a part of "our", and that is enough.