no one is speaking of proof of Saddam's direct involvement. But fold seems certain that Saddam had nothing to do with it at all. but we do know that Saddam has funded terrorists organizations and allowed training of terrorists in Iraq. Maybe Saddam wasn't directly behind the attacks of 9/11 but he certainly promoted terrorist activities and may have indirectly supported the attacks of 9/11.
no one is speaking of proof of Saddam's direct involvement. But fold seems certain that Saddam had nothing to do with it at all. but we do know that Saddam has funded terrorists organizations and allowed training of terrorists in Iraq. Maybe Saddam wasn't directly behind the attacks of 9/11 but he certainly promoted terrorist activities and may have indirectly supported the attacks of 9/11.
you can replace the word Bush with Saddam and get the same "maybe"
was it Saddam's ties to Egypt that got withheld from the 9/11 report or was it Bush's?
Dang Bush's Saudi friends not only fund terrorist organizations (sometimes through telethons), they also fund the schools where terrorists train. But, yeah, why would Bushies worry about Saudis. They're Bush's "allies." -Dope-
You know better than that, fold. The reason you can't stand me is that I shoot holes through all of your dogmatic beliefs. Maybe I use a few names once in awhile due to the vasts amount of idiocy I see, but you resort to lying, fold, when your opinions are scrutinized.
So let's take you up on your ignorant statement: you can replace the word Bush with Saddam and get the same "maybe"
no one is speaking of proof of Bush's direct involvement. But fold seems certain that Bush had nothing to do with it at all. but we do know that Bush has funded terrorists organizations and allowed training of terrorists in Iraq. Maybe Bush wasn't directly behind the attacks of 9/11 but he certainly promoted terrorist activities and may have indirectly supported the attacks of 9/11.
See how idiotic it is, crabs? It would be funny except sometimes I think you are serious about some of the idiotic things you write.
you wrote: thanks for admitting you have no argument
That is a lie. There was no such admission. I did admit to name calling but there has been no admission of not having an argument, in fact I set forth the argument previously.
Saddam Regroups, Coordinates Terror Onslaught on Baghdad
From DEBKA-Net-Weekly 130 Oct. 24 Updated by DEBKAfile October 27, 2003, 8:20 PM (GMT+02:00)
Red Cross wants to cut down Iraq operation In the space of 48 hours, the Ramadan bombing offensive on Baghdad claimed upward of 40 dead – mostly Iraqis – and over 220 injured. It struck terror at the heart of the Iraqi capital, first targeting US administration and military headquarters at the heavily secured landmark al Rashid hotel, where US deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz was staying as a guest. The next day, Monday, October 27, five suicide bomb-cars struck almost simultaneously in the morning rush hour. Four targeted police stations. The most lethal was carried out by an ambulance packed with explosives detonated at the gates of International Red Cross headquarters. Ten Iraqis were killed. However, one police station attack was foiled by Iraqi police who shot and wounded the only assailant to be caught. He had a Syrian passport and drove a car packed with TNT and three mortar rounds.
To achieve this clockwork precision, the deadly series must have been planned in detail for months and the targets carefully chosen with the help of expert intelligence – which the Americans clearly lack. The masterminds showed audacity and cunning. For instance, a large blue-painted electricity generator had been adapted by military engineers to perform as a multi-rocket launcher. It was parked unnoticed at the correct distance to mount the stunning attack on the al Rashid hotel. In a Special Expose appearing on October 24, DEBKA-Net-Weekly drew on its intelligence and counter-terror sources to uncover a new organization Saddam Hussein has put together in long consultations with his Baath strategists. It is meant to serve him as a power play to demonstrate that he is still a force to be reckoned with and commands the loyal support of his own die-hards, as well as foreign terrorists groups such as the al Qaeda network and Arab sympathizers. Tunnel vision of a comeback Indeed, intelligence and Baghdad sources revealed to DEBKA-Net-Weekly that Saddam actually signed what he called a “presidential decree” carving Iraq into six districts, each administered by a governor appointed either by himself or Baath officers. He placed himself at the head of an “Interim Command for Armed Activities against US and Zionist Forces,” the controlling body of the six districts and coordinator of their “armed activities” and those of foreign terrorists and fighters. Our expose revealed the structure of Saddam’s underground regime and named its districts and their governors. He seems to be left with enough cards to play with even after US forces nabbed most of the 55 men and women they designated his insiders. NINEVEH DISTRICT Covers all of northern Iraq, including Kurdistan and its main cities: Kirkuk, Mosul, Baiji, Sulaimaniya, Haditha and the al-Qaim region. Governor: General Nameq Mohammed. Our military sources report the 45-year-old Mohammed served as deputy chief of security for the Special Republican Guard and was particularly close to Saddam’s son Qusay, whom US forces killed with his brother Uday in Mosul in July. SALADIN DISTRICT Includes the Sunni Triangle cities of Tikrit, Samara, Baquba and Balaad. Governor: General Ibrahim Abdel Satar. A Tikrit native, Satar was chief of staff of the Special Republican Guard and is regarded as one of Saddam’s most loyal aides. RAMADI DISTRICT Includes the cities of Ramadi and Fallujah. Governor: Zohair Rahamim. This appointment is particularly interesting because Rahamim was always perceived as the great mystery figure of Saddam’s inner circle. Today, he is thought to command the Iraqi resistance army. In this capacity, he is in charge of integrating the foreign reinforcements infiltrating the country from Syria – chiefly, Hizballah, Palestinian, Yemeni, Saudi and Al Qaeda fighters - and attaching them to the various Iraqi guerrilla cells and networks confronting the US military. His appointment as governor of Ramadi and Fallujah indicates that most of those fighters are now clustered in or around those cities. BAGHDAD DISTRICT Encompasses the capital, the large Habaniya airbase to the west and Baghdad international airport. It also covers the Salman Pak site about 15 miles (25 km) southeast of the city, where a large US military base has been established and several members of the interim government council installed in former presidential palaces and villas. Governor: Colonel Nofal Saad Mohammed. Commander of Saddam’s Praetorian Guard. BABYLON DISTRICT Includes the Shiite regions of Iraq and the cities of Najef, Karbala, Sura, al-Hilal and Diwaniyah. Governor: Mohammed Ali Abdel Jalil. A pro-Saddam Shiite and former deputy governor of the Najef district, he is well acquainted with the local Shiite leadership and population. By appointing Jalil, Saddam is signaling the Shiites that, despite the intense American drive to install pro-US leaders in the area, he still has enough clout to restore his man, the Shiite mainstay of the Baath provincial government, to power. The ex-president is also cautioning the Shiite population not to rush to cooperate with the Americans. BASRA AND SOUTH Includes the cities of Basra, Nassariya, al-Amra and al-Qut. Governor: Daghar Mohammed Fadal. He was deputy director of the Iraqi military industries and the man in charge of Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons development program. David Kay, the CIA official leading the search for Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, would like nothing better than to lay hands on him. To give his “appointments” bite, the deposed Iraqi ruler ordered two steps: 1. Local Baath activists must spread word of the new governorships across Iraq. At the local level, Iraqis are permitted to approach local party representatives with problems or grievances and promised they will be put before the new district governor. 2. Saddam’s Interim Command for Armed Activities against US and Zionist Forces attached an assassination squad of Iraqi loyalists and allied combatants to each governor to mark down Iraqis or foreigners cooperating with the Americans or the provisional Governing Council. One or more of those squads may be presumed to have carried out the strikes against the two most sensitive targets – the al Rashid Hotel from which Wolfowitz had a lucky escape and International Red Cross headquarters.
Lt. Colonel Allen West was serving with the 4th Infantry from Ft. Hood, Texas. He was serving in an area of Iraq known as the Sunni Triangle ... an area where many American soldiers have been killed. Col. West received word from an Iraqi informant that an attempt was going to be made to kill him. The Iraqi informant also said that a local police officer was part of the assassination plot.
Col. West ordered the suspect Iraqi police officer detained and questioned. When he was told that the police officer was not cooperating he decided to take over the interrogation himself. He pulled out his service pistol and fired two shots near the head of the Iraqi police officer. The gun was not aimed at or anywhere near the Iraqi's head. The tactic worked, though. After the second gunshot that Iraqi started blabbering like a child. He disclosed who was to carry out the attack and where the attack on Col. West was to take place. The attack was averted. American lives were saved, and the Iraqi police officer was not harmed in the process.
So .. what is to become of Allen West? He's being offered a choice. He can either (a) retire from the army before he is eligible for any retirement benefits; or, (b) he can face a court-martial. Why? Because Lt. Col. Allen West. assaulted that poor Iraqi officer who was part of a plot to kill Americans.
Is this how you fight a war? Those people are trying to kill our people, and we can't use a little fear of Allah to get them to reveal assassination plots? Don't you just know that our special ops types are using tactics much worse than this with some Al Qaeda detainees? ---Neal Boortz
"When you have people filming in front of crowds cheering and clapping -- you have people cutting off people's tongues and heads and chopping off their fingers and hands throwing them off three-story buildings -- you learn something about a group of people and how they lived their lives and treated their people and we are so fortunate that they are gone and those 23 million people are liberated," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters during a Pentagon briefing Thursday.
I thought you said we invade countries more because they practice torture than because of other concerns. My question is...if that's the case, isn't it you who want it?
b'coz finally they hit a much powerfull enemy who occupied their home land, Iraqis have the right to fight for the dignity and freedom of their country. fight an enemy who is humiliating and brutally killing the Iraqi nation like this
At least 11 Iraqis were killed, six of them shot dead by American troops, as the United States counted the cost Monday of the deadliest single strike on its forces
The number of Iraqis killed since March is in the thousands and steadily climbing.
because I don't think we invaded Iraq because of human rights violations?
I don't think we invaded Iraq strictly because of human rights violations. Nor do I think it was because of oil. It was because Saddam was insane and made the Middle East even more unstable.
I assume the worst of all polititians until they prove otherwise.
And I thought I was cynical.
and just how is that different?
Because it had little to do with oil, and more to do with Saddam being a madman. If we wanted oil, we'd be better off invading Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.
b'coz finally they hit a much powerfull enemy who occupied their home land, Iraqis have the right to fight for the dignity and freedom of their country. fight an enemy who is humiliating and brutally killing the Iraqi nation like this
Inconsequential.
Freedom? Am I to believe that Iraqi's enjoyed freedom under the Saddam regime?
Overall I think it's irrelevant to the position we're in.
so...it wasn't a war on Iraq?
No it wasn't. it was a war to remove Saddam from power.
that's weird...every time I tuned into FauxNews, there was this bigass logo that said "War on Iraq"
I remember it being the "War in Iraq."
Why is it relevant, Crabby?
If it were a War on Iraq, why did we try so hard not to kill civilians?
so, if someone attacks the White House, it doesn't mean they are attacking the country?
your comparison is ridiculous, crabs. the questions is whether you are to dumb to know that.
and yet you can't seem to simply answer it.
Can't seem to simply answer it crabs?...You should know...You're the master at it.
so, if someone attacks the White House, it doesn't mean they are attacking the country?
Depends on the circumstances.
If someone attacks the White House it is an attack on the country because our government is elected by democratic means.
Iraq, was NOT behind 9/11.
And you know this because you are actually Saddam?
using this logic, you can prove that Bush was behind it by reason that you aren't Bush.
no one is speaking of proof of Saddam's direct involvement. But fold seems certain that Saddam had nothing to do with it at all. but we do know that Saddam has funded terrorists organizations and allowed training of terrorists in Iraq. Maybe Saddam wasn't directly behind the attacks of 9/11 but he certainly promoted terrorist activities and may have indirectly supported the attacks of 9/11.
you can replace the word Bush with Saddam and get the same "maybe"
was it Saddam's ties to Egypt that got withheld from the 9/11 report or was it Bush's?
Dang Bush's Saudi friends not only fund terrorist organizations (sometimes through telethons), they also fund the schools where terrorists train. But, yeah, why would Bushies worry about Saudis. They're Bush's "allies." -Dope-
you can replace the word Bush with Saddam and get the same "maybe"
Only a fricking idiot like you, crabs, could do that. You damn loon.
this is name-calling, not an argument.
this is name-calling, not an argument.
Ouch that hurt...not. Did I say it wasn't? You damn idiot.
It's all he is capable of, Crabs.
You know better than that, fold. The reason you can't stand me is that I shoot holes through all of your dogmatic beliefs. Maybe I use a few names once in awhile due to the vasts amount of idiocy I see, but you resort to lying, fold, when your opinions are scrutinized.
thanks for admitting you have no argument
thanks for admitting you have no argument
That isn't what I said at all. You. too, are a liar. But that is par for you, crabs. You lie and then you believe your lie. Now that is frightening.
So let's take you up on your ignorant statement: you can replace the word Bush with Saddam and get the same "maybe"
See how idiotic it is, crabs? It would be funny except sometimes I think you are serious about some of the idiotic things you write.
no.
it reads pretty accurately.
I said that what you said was not an argument, it was name-calling.
you replies that you didn't way it wasn't [an argument].
that means that you admitted it wasn't an argument, that it was name-calling
since that was all that was in the post and you admitted it wasn't an argument, it means you had no argument (or at least not one that you posted).
that's the truth. It's right there for all to see.
calling me a liar won't change it.
you wrote: thanks for admitting you have no argument
That is a lie. There was no such admission. I did admit to name calling but there has been no admission of not having an argument, in fact I set forth the argument previously.
This isn't the same as Vietnam, and our country's enemies would just love to see us get out of Iraq now, before it's stabilized.
It's time to go door to door. Shoot and arrest. Arrest and shoot.
Saddam Regroups, Coordinates Terror Onslaught on Baghdad
From DEBKA-Net-Weekly 130 Oct. 24 Updated by DEBKAfile
October 27, 2003, 8:20 PM (GMT+02:00)
Red Cross wants to cut down Iraq operation
In the space of 48 hours, the Ramadan bombing offensive on Baghdad claimed upward of 40 dead – mostly Iraqis – and over 220 injured. It struck terror at the heart of the Iraqi capital, first targeting US administration and military headquarters at the heavily secured landmark al Rashid hotel, where US deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz was staying as a guest. The next day, Monday, October 27, five suicide bomb-cars struck almost simultaneously in the morning rush hour. Four targeted police stations. The most lethal was carried out by an ambulance packed with explosives detonated at the gates of International Red Cross headquarters. Ten Iraqis were killed. However, one police station attack was foiled by Iraqi police who shot and wounded the only assailant to be caught. He had a Syrian passport and drove a car packed with TNT and three mortar rounds.
To achieve this clockwork precision, the deadly series must have been planned in detail for months and the targets carefully chosen with the help of expert intelligence – which the Americans clearly lack. The masterminds showed audacity and cunning. For instance, a large blue-painted electricity generator had been adapted by military engineers to perform as a multi-rocket launcher. It was parked unnoticed at the correct distance to mount the stunning attack on the al Rashid hotel.
In a Special Expose appearing on October 24, DEBKA-Net-Weekly drew on its intelligence and counter-terror sources to uncover a new organization Saddam Hussein has put together in long consultations with his Baath strategists. It is meant to serve him as a power play to demonstrate that he is still a force to be reckoned with and commands the loyal support of his own die-hards, as well as foreign terrorists groups such as the al Qaeda network and Arab sympathizers.
Tunnel vision of a comeback
Indeed, intelligence and Baghdad sources revealed to DEBKA-Net-Weekly that Saddam actually signed what he called a “presidential decree” carving Iraq into six districts, each administered by a governor appointed either by himself or Baath officers.
He placed himself at the head of an “Interim Command for Armed Activities against US and Zionist Forces,” the controlling body of the six districts and coordinator of their “armed activities” and those of foreign terrorists and fighters.
Our expose revealed the structure of Saddam’s underground regime and named its districts and their governors. He seems to be left with enough cards to play with even after US forces nabbed most of the 55 men and women they designated his insiders.
NINEVEH DISTRICT
Covers all of northern Iraq, including Kurdistan and its main cities: Kirkuk, Mosul, Baiji, Sulaimaniya, Haditha and the al-Qaim region.
Governor: General Nameq Mohammed.
Our military sources report the 45-year-old Mohammed served as deputy chief of security for the Special Republican Guard and was particularly close to Saddam’s son Qusay, whom US forces killed with his brother Uday in Mosul in July.
SALADIN DISTRICT
Includes the Sunni Triangle cities of Tikrit, Samara, Baquba and Balaad.
Governor: General Ibrahim Abdel Satar.
A Tikrit native, Satar was chief of staff of the Special Republican Guard and is regarded as one of Saddam’s most loyal aides.
RAMADI DISTRICT
Includes the cities of Ramadi and Fallujah.
Governor: Zohair Rahamim.
This appointment is particularly interesting because Rahamim was always perceived as the great mystery figure of Saddam’s inner circle.
Today, he is thought to command the Iraqi resistance army. In this capacity, he is in charge of integrating the foreign reinforcements infiltrating the country from Syria – chiefly, Hizballah, Palestinian, Yemeni, Saudi and Al Qaeda fighters - and attaching them to the various Iraqi guerrilla cells and networks confronting the US military.
His appointment as governor of Ramadi and Fallujah indicates that most of those fighters are now clustered in or around those cities.
BAGHDAD DISTRICT
Encompasses the capital, the large Habaniya airbase to the west and Baghdad international airport. It also covers the Salman Pak site about 15 miles (25 km) southeast of the city, where a large US military base has been established and several members of the interim government council installed in former presidential palaces and villas.
Governor: Colonel Nofal Saad Mohammed.
Commander of Saddam’s Praetorian Guard.
BABYLON DISTRICT
Includes the Shiite regions of Iraq and the cities of Najef, Karbala, Sura, al-Hilal and Diwaniyah.
Governor: Mohammed Ali Abdel Jalil.
A pro-Saddam Shiite and former deputy governor of the Najef district, he is well acquainted with the local Shiite leadership and population.
By appointing Jalil, Saddam is signaling the Shiites that, despite the intense American drive to install pro-US leaders in the area, he still has enough clout to restore his man, the Shiite mainstay of the Baath provincial government, to power. The ex-president is also cautioning the Shiite population not to rush to cooperate with the Americans.
BASRA AND SOUTH
Includes the cities of Basra, Nassariya, al-Amra and al-Qut.
Governor: Daghar Mohammed Fadal.
He was deputy director of the Iraqi military industries and the man in charge of Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons development program. David Kay, the CIA official leading the search for Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, would like nothing better than to lay hands on him.
To give his “appointments” bite, the deposed Iraqi ruler ordered two steps:
1. Local Baath activists must spread word of the new governorships across Iraq. At the local level, Iraqis are permitted to approach local party representatives with problems or grievances and promised they will be put before the new district governor.
2. Saddam’s Interim Command for Armed Activities against US and Zionist Forces attached an assassination squad of Iraqi loyalists and allied combatants to each governor to mark down Iraqis or foreigners cooperating with the Americans or the provisional Governing Council.
One or more of those squads may be presumed to have carried out the strikes against the two most sensitive targets – the al Rashid Hotel from which Wolfowitz had a lucky escape and International Red Cross headquarters.
You don't want to "cut and run" fold? But yet you want to see our soldiers come home now?
NEWS FLASH!!!!!........Can't have it both ways!
Maybe those documents are in their private study?
Lt. Colonel Allen West was serving with the 4th Infantry from Ft. Hood, Texas. He was serving in an area of Iraq known as the Sunni Triangle ... an area where many American soldiers have been killed. Col. West received word from an Iraqi informant that an attempt was going to be made to kill him. The Iraqi informant also said that a local police officer was part of the assassination plot.
Col. West ordered the suspect Iraqi police officer detained and questioned. When he was told that the police officer was not cooperating he decided to take over the interrogation himself. He pulled out his service pistol and fired two shots near the head of the Iraqi police officer. The gun was not aimed at or anywhere near the Iraqi's head. The tactic worked, though. After the second gunshot that Iraqi started blabbering like a child. He disclosed who was to carry out the attack and where the attack on Col. West was to take place. The attack was averted. American lives were saved, and the Iraqi police officer was not harmed in the process.
So .. what is to become of Allen West? He's being offered a choice. He can either (a) retire from the army before he is eligible for any retirement benefits; or, (b) he can face a court-martial. Why? Because Lt. Col. Allen West. assaulted that poor Iraqi officer who was part of a plot to kill Americans.
Is this how you fight a war? Those people are trying to kill our people, and we can't use a little fear of Allah to get them to reveal assassination plots? Don't you just know that our special ops types are using tactics much worse than this with some Al Qaeda detainees?
---Neal Boortz
Military morons.
If West would have hunted the guy down and killed him, he would have been ok.
You can drop bombs and fire machine guns against the Iraqi's to kill them but you can't intentionally miss them?
To bad we are the only country to have and follow such laws.
By the way, anybody know what Mr. Bore'ts "Service" history is?
Should anyone give a damn? I guess in fold's world military service brings sainthood, unless of course you are a republican.
At least Bush didn't run to England to avoid the draft and write letters about how he detested the military.
Videotape Shows Saddam's Men Torturing Iraqis
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101689,00.html
"When you have people filming in front of crowds cheering and clapping -- you have people cutting off people's tongues and heads and chopping off their fingers and hands throwing them off three-story buildings -- you learn something about a group of people and how they lived their lives and treated their people and we are so fortunate that they are gone and those 23 million people are liberated," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters during a Pentagon briefing Thursday.
But I thought it was all about oil & money?
fold just can't stand successful right wingers.
it was about torture?
so when do we invade Isreal?
it was about torture?
It was more about torture than it was oil.
so when do we invade Isreal?
Is that what you want?
you are really deluded.
I thought you said we invade countries more because they practice torture than because of other concerns. My question is...if that's the case, isn't it you who want it?
crabs: you are really deluded.
This from a man who does drugs. Astonishing!
you are really deluded
You're welcome to your opinion. I see you as hate filled, and always assume the worst of anyone that doesn't have a "D" in front of their name.
I thought you said we invade countries more because they practice torture than because of other concerns.
No, I didn't say that. I said that in Iraq it was more about torture than oil, that's quite different.
My question is...if that's the case, isn't it you who want it?
Not exactly what I want, but close. I believe we should cut off funding and weapons to Israel until they can behave.
Now, is that what you want? To attack Israel?
Is that what you want?
This is what American may want, atleast they may be in batter situation then in Iraq :-)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=11&u=/nm/20031103/ts_nm/iraq_helicopter_village_dc_2
They deserve to celebrate!
Why do they deserve to celebrate?
because I don't think we invaded Iraq because of human rights violations?
I assume the worst of all polititians until they prove otherwise.
and just how is that different?
it sure looks to be the same.
Why do they deserve to celebrate?
b'coz finally they hit a much powerfull enemy who occupied their home land, Iraqis have the right to fight for the dignity and freedom of their country. fight an enemy who is humiliating and brutally killing the Iraqi nation like this
Eleven Iraqis Killed
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&e=1&u=/nm/20031103/wl_nm/iraq_dc_63
because I don't think we invaded Iraq because of human rights violations?
I don't think we invaded Iraq strictly because of human rights violations. Nor do I think it was because of oil. It was because Saddam was insane and made the Middle East even more unstable.
I assume the worst of all polititians until they prove otherwise.
And I thought I was cynical.
and just how is that different?
Because it had little to do with oil, and more to do with Saddam being a madman. If we wanted oil, we'd be better off invading Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.
it sure looks to be the same.
You should get your eyes checked.
b'coz finally they hit a much powerfull enemy who occupied their home land, Iraqis have the right to fight for the dignity and freedom of their country. fight an enemy who is humiliating and brutally killing the Iraqi nation like this
Inconsequential.
Freedom? Am I to believe that Iraqi's enjoyed freedom under the Saddam regime?