but I don't think another woman's pregnancy is any of my business.
How many of your potential offspring have been aborted?
none...although I had one that was a miscarriage that I don't know for sure if the mother (my wife) miscarried intentionally or not. A person's health is their own business, as hard as that can be for people sometimes.
I think it reveals your utter misunderstanding of human nature. If taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash.
how much do people give to charity every year?
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people.
do Churches force people to give to them? Last I checked, they don't. How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Americans support their country not becaused they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Becaused the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not?
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
Not enough to maintain the exorbitant spending of government.
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people. Why, then, do we need laws that enforce payment of tax, crabs? And if tax is voluntary how many people would pay the same amount they pay now? They may pay some but not as much. And if the tax was voluntary why wouldn't there be a lot of people decide to pay more to their favorite charities because they believe the money would be used more wisely by the charities?
do Churches force people to give to them? How much does the church get? I don't know I doubt that you do.How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Because they have not based their spending on enforced payments but the government has. And the truth is the government spends a lot more money than they would receive if the tax were to be made voluntary.Americans support their country not because they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives. Each time you say something like this further convinces me you have zero clue about what makes people tick.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? That is a different question.Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Because the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not? As I told you before, crabs, you don't understand the concept of freedom.
no...it seems contrary to things YOU'VE said I've said.
You're the one that has said I (and the rest of society) should have to pay for the education of others, and pay for the healthcare of others.
The closest thing I've ever come to saying that is that I believe education should be financed by society as a whole, but that people should have a choice in said education.
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
Not many. Only those that consider taxation as charity think that way.
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people.
All it shows is that people would rather give their monies to something more productive.
do Churches force people to give to them? Last I checked, they don't. How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Americans support their country not becaused they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives.
People support churches because they believe in what they are doing. They pay their taxes because they'll go to jail if they don't. I'm sure many like myself would rather give to their own preferred charity, rather than the wasteful government.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Becaused the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not?
Consider the language of the just-passed partial-birth abortion ban. It is the delivery of a fetus "until, in the case of a headfirst presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of the breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus."
As the individual who sent me an e-mail including this definition observed, just how debased must our culture be even to be debating fine lines over this hideous, abominable procedure? You will observe that under this test the baby's life is protected based on how far it has traveled through the mother's body on the way to delivery. How can right-thinking people even consider making life determinations on this basis?
Anyway, why should aborting a Down's Syndrome fetus trouble us any more than aborting so many perfectly healthy ones every year? Man giveth and man taketh away. Isn't that the new American Standard Revised gospel?
...
Only 9 percent of the time did these new tests incorrectly indicate that the fetus had Down's Syndrome.
So the mother who decides to abort in these circumstances has about one chance in 10 of aborting a healthy baby.
Planned Parenthood's outspoken activists remain stone-cold silent about Holly Patterson. She's the teenager who died of tragic complications from taking the abortion drug cocktail RU-486, which she obtained from a northern California Planned Parenthood clinic in September. Holly and her unborn child suffered a painful, bloody and prolonged death.
What have you been smokin'? The only way it is a right is if you adhere to the anarchist philosophy of a person can do whatever they want. It isn't a "right" protected by the U.S. Constitution and probably not any state constitutions, at least none that I know of.
First of all, if my life isn't mine, whose is it? Secondly, you know very well that the Bill of Rights wasn't intended to limit rights to what is actually stated in it.
Secondly, you know very well that the Bill of Rights wasn't intended to limit rights to what is actually stated in it.
Suicide is not a protected right by constitution or statute. Could it be-yes. But it certainly hasn't been recognized as a fundamental right upon protected from government prohibition.
i can't understand all the fuss we're making about abortion when literally it's a dead issue. or is that tissue? look at it this way, a fetus can't spend money to help the economy. especially my own bank accounts. a fetus can't take out a loan. a fetus can't use a credit card. a fetus can't join the workforce. a fetus can't even vote. simply put, a fetus is not economically viable and therefore has no impact on the economy and its growth. drop the issue already.
and Bodine. You like to keep claiming that people having the right to do whatever they please is "anarchy".
no.
anarchy is completely without government.
while we are free to do whatever we like (if we live in a free society, which of course is debatable)...we are NOT free to do whatever we like to others, therefore we have a government to protect people from each other. We don't need a government to protect us from ourselves.
It's not anarchy...it's called individual FREEDOM.
I don't believe in anarchy. But people keep forgetting that government is supposed to be our servant, not our master.
I agree with that. That is why I say that abortion on demand has been imposed on the people by a the judiciary. The judiciary has done the same in regards to religion in schools and are well on the way of imposing gay marriage on the people outside of the political process. crabs, however, is concerned with the drug laws. the state laws at least have been through the political process and are still supported by the people. Of course that might change with the efforts put in by the prodrug minority.
No I don't. Why do you think so? [you talk like the State really is Big Brother and the citizens should be treated like children]
because that's what you say...that the State should control what people can and cannot do even if it doesn't hurt anyone else. You state this opinion over and over.
the State should control what people can and cannot do even if it doesn't hurt anyone else.
I am sorry that you are so dense that you don't understand. I am for the people deciding the rules that they live by. As long as the people through the democratic process make the rules, I'll be happy, more or less. It is clear that you don't give a damn about democratic process.
I am for the people deciding the rules that they live by.
if a big enough group of people get together and decide the law is that they get to fuck you up the ass every day, you are just gonna bend over for the sake of the law?
all for it if it doesn't stand in the way of profits. which is why abortion is a non-issue. if an unborn can't spend, has no income, and can't even vote they are of no importance to $$$ which makes this topic irrelevant.
I do know better. I know that you claim that the law comes from morality, which comes from religion. You say that the rules come from religion, only now you are saying it comes from people. Which is it bodine...you want a democracy or a theocracy? You can't have both.
wrong. the golden rule dictates that he who has the gold makes the rules. america. the best democracy my money can buy. merry chri$$$tmas and shop til you drop. it's the real meaning of the day.
not a one.
but I don't think another woman's pregnancy is any of my business.
none...although I had one that was a miscarriage that I don't know for sure if the mother (my wife) miscarried intentionally or not. A person's health is their own business, as hard as that can be for people sometimes.
A woman's pregnancy isn't "ours", it's hers. It's not part of "ours" until it's born.
The words of an immoral man.
We have to agree to share our common health and education.
I don't agree. Watch me get carted off to jail if I don't pay.
it was being assumed [But you don't think I should have a choice in whether I "Share" or not. - THX] that I support this. I don't.
taxes should be voluntary.
sharing is voluntary.
Then don't use the services.
But if you need them, they will still be there...because a LOT of people have agreed that EVERYONE should have them.
taxes should be voluntary.
That statements seems contrary to things you've said in the past.
But if you need them, they will still be there...because a LOT of people have agreed that EVERYONE should have them.
I doubt Government "Sponsored" programs would be there. Most people would probably chose to send their charity monies elsewhere.
taxes should be voluntary.
sharing is voluntary.
You are daft, crabs. I think it reveals your utter misunderstanding of human nature. If taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash.
no...it seems contrary to things YOU'VE said I've said.
how much do people give to charity every year?
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people.
do Churches force people to give to them? Last I checked, they don't. How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Americans support their country not becaused they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Becaused the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not?
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
Not enough to maintain the exorbitant spending of government.
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people. Why, then, do we need laws that enforce payment of tax, crabs? And if tax is voluntary how many people would pay the same amount they pay now? They may pay some but not as much. And if the tax was voluntary why wouldn't there be a lot of people decide to pay more to their favorite charities because they believe the money would be used more wisely by the charities?
do Churches force people to give to them? How much does the church get? I don't know I doubt that you do.How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Because they have not based their spending on enforced payments but the government has. And the truth is the government spends a lot more money than they would receive if the tax were to be made voluntary.Americans support their country not because they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives. Each time you say something like this further convinces me you have zero clue about what makes people tick.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? That is a different question.Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Because the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not? As I told you before, crabs, you don't understand the concept of freedom.
no...it seems contrary to things YOU'VE said I've said.
You're the one that has said I (and the rest of society) should have to pay for the education of others, and pay for the healthcare of others.
The closest thing I've ever come to saying that is that I believe education should be financed by society as a whole, but that people should have a choice in said education.
how much do people give to charity every year?
Quite a bit, I'm sure.
how many people willingly, gladly, proudly pay their taxes not because it's mandatory, but because it buys things that everyone needs?
Not many. Only those that consider taxation as charity think that way.
that you think if taxes were voluntary the entire structure would crash only shows how little you actually believe in this country and it's people.
All it shows is that people would rather give their monies to something more productive.
do Churches force people to give to them? Last I checked, they don't. How come the Church structure hasn't crashed? Americans support their country not becaused they are forced to, but because it uses such a bitchin' good set of rules and we want to enjoy the freedoms that it gives.
People support churches because they believe in what they are doing. They pay their taxes because they'll go to jail if they don't. I'm sure many like myself would rather give to their own preferred charity, rather than the wasteful government.
if it can't survive unless people have to be forced to support it, why not let it crash? Isn't that one of the reasons we are at war? Becaused the Iraqi were being forced to support that system? are you for freedom or not?
We should let it crash.
Consider the language of the just-passed partial-birth abortion ban. It is the delivery of a fetus "until, in the case of a headfirst presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of the breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus."
As the individual who sent me an e-mail including this definition observed, just how debased must our culture be even to be debating fine lines over this hideous, abominable procedure? You will observe that under this test the baby's life is protected based on how far it has traveled through the mother's body on the way to delivery. How can right-thinking people even consider making life determinations on this basis?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20031024.shtml
Anyway, why should aborting a Down's Syndrome fetus trouble us any more than aborting so many perfectly healthy ones every year? Man giveth and man taketh away. Isn't that the new American Standard Revised gospel?
...
Only 9 percent of the time did these new tests incorrectly indicate that the fetus had Down's Syndrome.
So the mother who decides to abort in these circumstances has about one chance in 10 of aborting a healthy baby.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulgreenberg/pg20031027.shtml
Planned Parenthood's outspoken activists remain stone-cold silent about Holly Patterson. She's the teenager who died of tragic complications from taking the abortion drug cocktail RU-486, which she obtained from a northern California Planned Parenthood clinic in September. Holly and her unborn child suffered a painful, bloody and prolonged death.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20031203.shtml
help these people end their own lives
I believe that's called murder.
People have a right to suicide.
People have a right to suicide.
On what basis is it a right?
On what basis is it not a right?
Your life is your own.
Your life is your own.
What have you been smokin'? The only way it is a right is if you adhere to the anarchist philosophy of a person can do whatever they want. It isn't a "right" protected by the U.S. Constitution and probably not any state constitutions, at least none that I know of.
First of all, if my life isn't mine, whose is it? Secondly, you know very well that the Bill of Rights wasn't intended to limit rights to what is actually stated in it.
People have a right to suicide.
People already have the ability to kill themselves, if that's what you mean.
I don't think our society should condone such behavior.
Secondly, you know very well that the Bill of Rights wasn't intended to limit rights to what is actually stated in it.
Suicide is not a protected right by constitution or statute. Could it be-yes. But it certainly hasn't been recognized as a fundamental right upon protected from government prohibition.
If it isn't my life, whose is it?
It is God's.
I thought He gave it to me.
It is God's.
Devils Advocate: What if I don't believe in God? Why should I abide by YOUR God's rules?
i can't understand all the fuss we're making about abortion when literally it's a dead issue. or is that tissue? look at it this way, a fetus can't spend money to help the economy. especially my own bank accounts. a fetus can't take out a loan. a fetus can't use a credit card. a fetus can't join the workforce. a fetus can't even vote. simply put, a fetus is not economically viable and therefore has no impact on the economy and its growth. drop the issue already.
the State outlawing assisted suicide is tantamount to enforcing torture of it's own citizens.
and Bodine. You like to keep claiming that people having the right to do whatever they please is "anarchy".
no.
anarchy is completely without government.
while we are free to do whatever we like (if we live in a free society, which of course is debatable)...we are NOT free to do whatever we like to others, therefore we have a government to protect people from each other. We don't need a government to protect us from ourselves.
It's not anarchy...it's called individual FREEDOM.
What if I don't believe in God?
It doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not. Just as it doesn't matter whether you believe in gravity.
anarchy is completely without government.
And you seem to think that is just fine when you don't get your way.
you talk like the State really is Big Brother and the citizens should be treated like children
I don't believe in anarchy. But people keep forgetting that government is supposed to be our servant, not our master.
you talk like the State really is Big Brother and the citizens should be treated like children
No I don't. Why do you think so?
I don't believe in anarchy. But people keep forgetting that government is supposed to be our servant, not our master.
I agree with that. That is why I say that abortion on demand has been imposed on the people by a the judiciary. The judiciary has done the same in regards to religion in schools and are well on the way of imposing gay marriage on the people outside of the political process. crabs, however, is concerned with the drug laws. the state laws at least have been through the political process and are still supported by the people. Of course that might change with the efforts put in by the prodrug minority.
OLD FRONTENAC, Minn. — Four girls walking along a beach on Lake Pepin made a gruesome discovery Sunday when they came across a dead baby.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/7439518.htm
Well at least this abortion is a crime.
because that's what you say...that the State should control what people can and cannot do even if it doesn't hurt anyone else. You state this opinion over and over.
the State should control what people can and cannot do even if it doesn't hurt anyone else.
I am sorry that you are so dense that you don't understand. I am for the people deciding the rules that they live by. As long as the people through the democratic process make the rules, I'll be happy, more or less. It is clear that you don't give a damn about democratic process.
if a big enough group of people get together and decide the law is that they get to fuck you up the ass every day, you are just gonna bend over for the sake of the law?
I see.
all for it if it doesn't stand in the way of profits. which is why abortion is a non-issue. if an unborn can't spend, has no income, and can't even vote they are of no importance to $$$ which makes this topic irrelevant.
the people won't let that happen, crabs. but my guess is you would like that law.
I thought you said that the rules were decided by religion.
no, crabs, and you ought to know better.
will never work, which is why it is up to those of us who have holdings and property to take control.
history doesn't agree.
a law that said I could fuck you whenever I wanted?
are you hitting on me?
I do know better. I know that you claim that the law comes from morality, which comes from religion. You say that the rules come from religion, only now you are saying it comes from people. Which is it bodine...you want a democracy or a theocracy? You can't have both.
is fine if its profitable. like chri$$$tmas. the rest of the year however it needs to be shelved. gives people too many funny ideas.
wrong. the golden rule dictates that he who has the gold makes the rules. america. the best democracy my money can buy. merry chri$$$tmas and shop til you drop. it's the real meaning of the day.