President Bush, when he said Democrats "don't care about the security of the American people" was not speaking for the administration.
I think that's a valid statement on Dubya's part. The Democrats do care more about the election, than they do about Americans.
Just look at all the posturing on the part of Democrats on Sunday morning after we learned Saddam was caught. Shit, it was ALL Democrats all over the news shows on Sunday.
I didn't agree with anything. I simply posted the article, dip.
Well, if you copy and paste articles under your own name without dissenting comment, a reasonable person assumes that you agree with what you copied and pasted.
Well, if you copy and paste articles under your own name without dissenting comment, a reasonable person assumes that you agree with what you copied and pasted.
No it is not reasonable to assume such a thing. Someone could post an article in an attempt just to get the discussion going.
Someone could post an article in an attempt just to get the discussion going.
Well, I got the impression from this postthat you weren't interested in discussion, as the word is generally understood.
Therefore, when you select certain passages from a longer article and post them without comment, I submit that the reasonable observer will assume that you agree with what you have selected and shared with the readers. If that makes me a dip, I'll be Spicy Nacho, thanks.
Just look at all the posturing on the part of Democrats on Sunday morning after we learned Saddam was caught. Shit, it was ALL Democrats all over the news shows on Sunday.
Not on the planet I live on. I saw replay after replay of the hidey-hole and the dental exam, speculation as to whether Saddam shaved himself or was shaved by his captors, and other useless trivia. I heard so-called "professional journalists," men with decades in the business, asking questions like "Does this mean that President Bush is a slam-dunk next November?" and saying that this took the wind out of clark's and Dean's sails, a thorough distortion of their positions on the war.
The few Democrats that I saw bent over backwards to say good things about the capture.
And if you don't think that winning elections is the #1 priority of the Republican Party, I've still got that bridge.
I remember someone who claimed Strom was a "Hero", but then we learn that the "Hero" was also guilty of Statutory-Rape, of a 16 year old black woman, and that he fathered a child as a direct result, then covered it up for 65+ years...!
Now do you know that there was even a statute on the books for statutory rape in 1925 in South Carolina?
That has nothing to do with Strom's conduct, crabs. Talk about the law as it applied to Strom. You said he committed a crime, what was it? You have a problem with evidence because you don't have a complaining witness. Based on all of the facts you have, crabs, it very well could have been consensual. The verdict: NOT GUILTY. The prosecution failed to prove its case. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
WASHINGTON — Regular attendees of religious services are more likely to vote Republican while those who infrequently attend services or belong to no assembly at all are more likely to vote Democrat, a growing body of polling indicates.
Near as I can Google quickly, Strom's "relationship" with Essie Mae's mother was probably not statutory rape, as South Carolina raised the age of consent from 14 to 16 in the late 1990s. The "relationship" may have been consensual on the surface, but the power dynamics between a 22-year-old upper-class white man and a 16-year-old black servant girl make one wonder if the consent was meaningful, or could ever be meaningful in such a situation.
Don't be ridiculous, jethro (I might as well say "don't breathe"); it's certainly possible that Essie Mae's mother had consensual sex with ol' Strom -- he wasn't a bad-looking guy in his youth -- but it's also quite likely that a black woman of that time and in that situation would feel that she really didn't have much of a right to say "No," and that if she did it either would be ignored or cost her her job. So you go along to get along -- that's all I'm saying.
pieter, you seem to take a one size fits all approach to human interaction between blacks and whites in the south. I mean Strom was white, the maid was black it must have been coercion to some degree. the truth is you don't know. Your conclusion is a sterotypical.
When did I come to a stereotypical conclusion? I said it could have been consensual, backed you up on the matter of South Carolina's age of consent, but also brought up the unequal positions of young Strom and the maid. I never said it was rape, I never said it could not have been truly consensual, but that the reality of black/white power relationships in the South in the 1920s should be considered. If you think that white men of good family and black women of the serving class had anything approaching equal status in 1925 South or North, then I'd like a hit of that shit you're smoking.
It seems to me that you are determined to see everything in this world in binary terms; it's sad.
"I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theatres into our swimming pools into our homes and into our churches." — Strom Thurmond (R) explains how he won't let his daughter into his home or church, theater or swimming pool because she is a nigger race.  Â
but the power dynamics between a 22-year-old upper-class white man and a 16-year-old black servant girl make one wonder if the consent was meaningful, or could ever be meaningful in such a situation.
I'm inclined to agree with you. Whatever the situation, Strom was morally wrong.
but...but...we caught Bill getting a blow job and he lied about it! and you have the nerve to ask "what crime?"
just for the record it was crabs that brought up bill. as you should know crabs the crime was perjury, if bill would have told the truth he would have been fine. i mean hillary didn't give a damn.
Jethro, a question for you. I know you talk about how religion and morality are so connected. Do you feel that what Strom has done is moral? Having the sexual relationship that he did and how he handled things afterwards? How do you feel religion played into how Strom handled things?
"I will never submit to fight beneath that banner (the American flag) with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." Senator Robert Byrd
Deflect what? Apparently it is alright if the left says such things. After all, it was so long ago and he just wanted to get elected. He didn't actually think that our great nation should just pass away instead of letting a "Negro" to ruin the armed forces. Right?
Jethro, a question for you. I know you talk about how religion and morality are so connected. Do you feel that what Strom has done is moral? NoHaving the sexual relationship that he did and how he handled things afterwards? I don't know that much about how he handled it afterwards. I do know that his grandchildren apparently do not have bad feelings about him. One of his grandchildren, a doctor, was on Bill O'Reilly on Friday and he didn't say much if anything negative. He did say Strom gave money.How do you feel religion played into how Strom handled things? I do not know if Strom was religious or not, so I can't answer the question. Should he did what he did? No, not on what I know about it.
I don't know that muchabout how he handled it afterwards. I do know that his grandchildren apparently do not have bad feelings about him. One of his grandchildren, a doctor, was on Bill O'Reilly on Friday and he didn't say much if anything negative. He did say Strom gave money. How do you feel religion played into how Strom handled things? I do not knowif Strom was religious or not, so I can't answer the question. Should he did what he did? No, not on what I know about it.
crabs, you stupid shit, i answered the questions based on what I know. You, it is clear, like to answer questions based on what you don't know but assume.
President Bush, when he said Democrats "don't care about the security of the American people" was not speaking for the administration.
I think that's a valid statement on Dubya's part. The Democrats do care more about the election, than they do about Americans.
Just look at all the posturing on the part of Democrats on Sunday morning after we learned Saddam was caught. Shit, it was ALL Democrats all over the news shows on Sunday.
Well, if you copy and paste articles under your own name without dissenting comment, a reasonable person assumes that you agree with what you copied and pasted.
Well, if you copy and paste articles under your own name without dissenting comment, a reasonable person assumes that you agree with what you copied and pasted.
No it is not reasonable to assume such a thing. Someone could post an article in an attempt just to get the discussion going.
Well, I got the impression from this postthat you weren't interested in discussion, as the word is generally understood.
Therefore, when you select certain passages from a longer article and post them without comment, I submit that the reasonable observer will assume that you agree with what you have selected and shared with the readers. If that makes me a dip, I'll be Spicy Nacho, thanks.
by discussion I mean the opportunity to berate and belittle someone!
a) Well, knock MEover with a feather!
b) No wonder you have the opinion of friendship expressed in the linked post.
you must really do something about that double posting, pieter.
Not on the planet I live on. I saw replay after replay of the hidey-hole and the dental exam, speculation as to whether Saddam shaved himself or was shaved by his captors, and other useless trivia. I heard so-called "professional journalists," men with decades in the business, asking questions like "Does this mean that President Bush is a slam-dunk next November?" and saying that this took the wind out of clark's and Dean's sails, a thorough distortion of their positions on the war.
The few Democrats that I saw bent over backwards to say good things about the capture.
And if you don't think that winning elections is the #1 priority of the Republican Party, I've still got that bridge.
Not on the planet I live on. I saw replay after replay of the hidey-hole and the dental exam...
I saw that too, but I only saw them interviewing Democrats about the capture.
Wolvie "The war in Iraq" 12/17/03 2:47pm
Great post, but Neal Boortz is mainstream media?
Well, YOU guys always DEMAND that he is, along with Limbaugh?
When/where have I ever demanded such a thing?
Put up, or shut up, else you'll be proven a liar!
I remember someone who claimed Strom was a "Hero", but then we learn that the "Hero" was also guilty of Statutory-Rape, of a 16 year old black woman, and that he fathered a child as a direct result, then covered it up for 65+ years...!
Now do you know that there was even a statute on the books for statutory rape in 1925 in South Carolina?
what do you think would have happened to a 22 year old black man who had sex and impregnated a 16 year old white girl back then in S. Carolina?
That has nothing to do with Strom's conduct, crabs. Talk about the law as it applied to Strom. You said he committed a crime, what was it? You have a problem with evidence because you don't have a complaining witness. Based on all of the facts you have, crabs, it very well could have been consensual. The verdict: NOT GUILTY. The prosecution failed to prove its case. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
The verdict: NOT GUILTY.
That's a far cry from innocent.
Anyway, yes, Strom was a slimeball. Nothing new there.
Strom was no more of a slimeball than 90% of his kind-politicians.
WASHINGTON — Regular attendees of religious services are more likely to vote Republican while those who infrequently attend services or belong to no assembly at all are more likely to vote Democrat, a growing body of polling indicates.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106066,00.html
Near as I can Google quickly, Strom's "relationship" with Essie Mae's mother was probably not statutory rape, as South Carolina raised the age of consent from 14 to 16 in the late 1990s. The "relationship" may have been consensual on the surface, but the power dynamics between a 22-year-old upper-class white man and a 16-year-old black servant girl make one wonder if the consent was meaningful, or could ever be meaningful in such a situation.
you liberals just can't accept the possibility that a young black woman would want to have sex with a white fella, can you?
Don't be ridiculous, jethro (I might as well say "don't breathe"); it's certainly possible that Essie Mae's mother had consensual sex with ol' Strom -- he wasn't a bad-looking guy in his youth -- but it's also quite likely that a black woman of that time and in that situation would feel that she really didn't have much of a right to say "No," and that if she did it either would be ignored or cost her her job. So you go along to get along -- that's all I'm saying.
now we know the real pieter. pieter must have been a young black woman in a southern state in 1925.
In the words of the old country saying, jethro, I can 'splain things to ya but I can't understand 'em for ya.
I thought that was cuban. "Lucy you got some splainin to do!"
pieter, you seem to take a one size fits all approach to human interaction between blacks and whites in the south. I mean Strom was white, the maid was black it must have been coercion to some degree. the truth is you don't know. Your conclusion is a sterotypical.
When did I come to a stereotypical conclusion? I said it could have been consensual, backed you up on the matter of South Carolina's age of consent, but also brought up the unequal positions of young Strom and the maid. I never said it was rape, I never said it could not have been truly consensual, but that the reality of black/white power relationships in the South in the 1920s should be considered. If you think that white men of good family and black women of the serving class had anything approaching equal status in 1925 South or North, then I'd like a hit of that shit you're smoking.
It seems to me that you are determined to see everything in this world in binary terms; it's sad.
If you want some smoke pieter, ask crabs.
but you two go on thinking that it was consensual
but...but...we caught Bill getting a blow job and he lied about it! and you have the nerve to ask "what crime?"
but the power dynamics between a 22-year-old upper-class white man and a 16-year-old black servant girl make one wonder if the consent was meaningful, or could ever be meaningful in such a situation.
I'm inclined to agree with you. Whatever the situation, Strom was morally wrong.
but...but...we caught Bill getting a blow job and he lied about it! and you have the nerve to ask "what crime?"
just for the record it was crabs that brought up bill. as you should know crabs the crime was perjury, if bill would have told the truth he would have been fine. i mean hillary didn't give a damn.
what did he lie about?
the crime was that he beat Bush....and you fuckers hounded him from day one.
if he hadn't beaten Bush, no one would have asked him if he got blow-jobs in the first place.
you people have no shame
Shame. CHECK.
you people have no shame
wees ain't in need of any shame!
Thas true ya know, That Wees guy he been through it! Boy had he!
Jethro, a question for you. I know you talk about how religion and morality are so connected. Do you feel that what Strom has done is moral? Having the sexual relationship that he did and how he handled things afterwards? How do you feel religion played into how Strom handled things?
"it's gonna take more than an Army to get that 'nigger race' into our Churches"
"there are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time..."
Senator Robert Byrd
"I will never submit to fight beneath that banner (the American flag) with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Senator Robert Byrd
Deflect, deflect, deflect . . .
Deflect what? Apparently it is alright if the left says such things. After all, it was so long ago and he just wanted to get elected. He didn't actually think that our great nation should just pass away instead of letting a "Negro" to ruin the armed forces. Right?
no, it's not.
Byrd is an asshole. wanna point out where I said he wasn't?
fuck him with the same stick used to fuck the corpse of Strom with.
with the same stick used to f*** the corpse of Strom with.
You have a sick mind. I agree that they are morally bankrupt, but I wouldn't want to do that to even their corpses.
it was as close to a euphemism for those guys as I could come up with. what I feel about these guys doesn't have actual words.
I think it's a sick mind that keeps electing these fucks.
Jethro, a question for you. I know you talk about how religion and morality are so connected. Do you feel that what Strom has done is moral? NoHaving the sexual relationship that he did and how he handled things afterwards? I don't know that much about how he handled it afterwards. I do know that his grandchildren apparently do not have bad feelings about him. One of his grandchildren, a doctor, was on Bill O'Reilly on Friday and he didn't say much if anything negative. He did say Strom gave money.How do you feel religion played into how Strom handled things? I do not know if Strom was religious or not, so I can't answer the question. Should he did what he did? No, not on what I know about it.
The First Amendment is dead. Repealed. History.
Do I still have the right to still say that? Better check with the Supreme Court.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richtucker/rt20031220.shtml
http://www.democrats.com/
http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=84
crabs, you stupid shit, i answered the questions based on what I know. You, it is clear, like to answer questions based on what you don't know but assume.
I know bodine...I know...that was my point.
you don't knowshit before you decide what you think.
I thought i was bodine.