WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The important Democrats eager to run retired Gen. Wesley Clark for president might exercise due diligence about a military career that was nearly terminated before he got his fourth star and then came to a premature end. The trouble with the general is pointed out by a bizarre incident in Bosnia nearly a decade ago.
WASHINGTON - Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark has become the great hope for establishment Democrats seeking to stop front-runner Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.
Yet Clark, who has based his campaign on his foreign policy credentials, actually has the strangest foreign policy views of anyone in the presidential race.
Too much ego at play for a Kerry/Clark ticket. That's true for any of the contenders. I don't think any one of them would accept being V.P. for the other.
The trouble with the general is pointed out by a bizarre incident in Bosnia nearly a decade ago.
On Aug. 26, 1994, in the northern Bosnian city of Banja Luka, he met and exchanged gifts with the notorious Bosnian Serb commander and indicted war criminal, Gen. Ratko Mladic.
U.S. diplomats warned Clark not to go to Bosnian Serb military headquarters to meet Mladic, considered by U.S. intelligence as the mastermind of the Srebrenica massacre of Muslim civilians (and still at large, sought by NATO peacekeeping forces). Besides the exchange of hats, they drank wine together, and Mladic gave Clark a bottle of brandy and a pistol.
Remember, this is the same Robert Novak who outed an undercover CIA operative . . . whose specialty was WMDs. The problem with this accusation is that Mladic did not pull off the Srebrenica massacre until almost a year later, in July of 1995. Don't believe me? Believe Google. Mladic was not indicted for war crimes until after the Srebrenica massacre, so Novak's implication that Clark was buddying up to an indicted war criminal is typical of the man's sleazy smears.
Clark was a three-star (lieutenant general) who directed strategic plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington. On Aug. 26, 1994,in the northern Bosnian city of Banja Luka, he met and exchanged gifts with the notorious Bosnian Serb commander and indicted war criminal, Gen. Ratko Mladic. Â Â
U.S. diplomats warned Clark not to go to Bosnian Serb military headquarters to meet Mladic, considered by U.S. intelligence as the mastermind of the Srebrenica massacre of Muslim civilians (and still at large, sought by NATO peacekeeping forces)
Today's hearing is about four terrible days in July 1995,when an estimated 8,000 people were executed by Bosnian Serb soldiers who had overrun the United Nations designated safe area of Srebrenica. Â Â
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if you want to talk about people meeting war criminals...how about we talk about the CURRENT Vice-President and his business meeting with that reknowned war criminal Saddam Hussian...
As Middle East envoy under President Reagan, Donald Rumsfeld visited Baghdad on December 19-20, 1983; this photo shows him shaking hands with Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. The US government supported the Iraq dictatorship during the Iran-Iraq war.
the really weird thing is that we have all seen the photo referred to above, but go ahead and try to find it now. It seems to have disappeared from the internet. Can anyone find the infamous picture of Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
Googled images "saddam rumsfeld" and opted for all images. Only three hits on that particular one, though. I edited the post above to add a link to a huge version of it.
And here's a link to the George Washington University National Security Archiveon US - Iraq relations in the early '80s, complete with a Windows Media clip of the meeting. It was quite a long handshake, and later shows Rummy leaning eagerly toward Saddam during a sit-down meeting. I
<butt> Google.
for the record, Donald Rumsfeld is thecurrent Vice-President of The United States and recently invaded the country of the man he was doing business with in that picture...but I guess dwelling on Clark's experience 10 years ago is okay.
Can anyone find the infamous picture of Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
Never saw one of Cheneydoing that.
Donald Rumsfeld is the current Vice-President of The United States
I think that you are a little confused here. Better recheck your facts concerning the position of these two in our government. Not fighting for or against anything, just trying to keep things straight.
Two openly gay members are demanding that the country club extend benefits to their domestic partners, saying they should enjoy the same privileges married couples do.
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The mayor has until mid-February to decide what action to take. In theory, the city could threaten to revoke the country club's business and liquor licenses if Druid Hills refuses to change its policies. But critics charge the commission is trying to supersede state laws.
You know damn well fold job losses and the downturn in the economy started during Clinton's last year in office.
Correct, torp. The economy was fine from Reagan through Bush I, and Clinton inherited it. Then the feds and the state governments started spending and the economy slowed. Bush's tax cuts are what caused the current upswing. Democrats will never admit that tax cuts stimulate the economy.
ALL the job "Gains" he trumpetted in December, have been LOST, and in fact he still has that NET LOSS of almost 3,000,000 jobs, during HIS administration?
The question, finally, is this: Do the people have a right to know the biases of the people from whom they get almost all their information about politics, politicians, candidates and causes? Seems to me that an honest journalist has to answer yes.
Does that mean that every Buchanan column should begin with the disclaimer that ol' Pat has a real problem with Jews? And before you jump all over me for that, heed the words of William F Buckley:
"I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism..."
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1990: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in The Middle East – the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States."
- The McLaughlin Group, Aug 26, 1990
1990: "Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory."
- McLaughlin Group, June 15, 1990
1999: "After World War II, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost an obsession with American leaders."
- A Republic, Not an Empire. P. 336.
1999: "I know the power of the Israeli lobby and the other lobbies, but we need a foreign policy that puts our own country first."
Well, go to your library and look up the December 1991 National Review. William F Buckley spent the entire issue examining Mr. Buchanan's spoken statements, writings and political activities, and after thousands of words came to the conclusion quoted above (and below).
"I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the chargethat what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism..."
I did not dispute that Buckley made the comment attributed to him. Please read what I write. I do not see antisemitism in the comments attributed to Pat Buchanan that you posted. I am also quite familiar with Pat. Simply put, I disagree with Buckley.
If anyone should hate Clinton, it is the left -- because not only did he sell us out repeatedly, he also helped create the environment that allowed Bush to steal the 2000 election. If Clinton had led with anything other than poll surveys and his penis, the Republicans would have had a hard time selling the vision of Bush as a "return of integrity to the White House", and Gore with all his faults would have ran away with the election.
C'mon Muskwa. Clinton wasn't a "Great" Prez, by any stretch, but the economy in his second 4 years is STILL recognized as a benchmark for the widest expansion of the economy and resulting millions of jobs, in our History.
And Clinton had NOTHING to do with it. He rode it like a surfer rides a wave.
The nation's 4 million convicted felons could be enough to swing the November election. Surveys show that the overwhelming majority would vote Democratic if they could, so felons are a voting bloc that Democrats are just itching to harvest.
The Democrats know that if felons had been allowed to vote in Florida, Al Gore would have won Florida and be president today.
Much more accurately, if several thousand people with no criminal records whatsoever had not been removed from the rolls, the outcome in Florida would have been different.
St. Petersburg Times, December 21, 2003 No telling if voter rolls are ready for 2004
 The Department of State awarded a $4-million contract to Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (now ChoicePoint Inc.) to find improperly registered voters in the state's database. Database Technologies cross-checked voter lists with federal and state databases to find illegal voters by matching names, birth dates and other characteristics.
Mistakes were rampant.
Some conviction dates were in the future; others suggested that the voter had committed a felony as a toddler. Some elections staffers were incorrectly listed as felons. At one point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted of misdemeanors.
Internal e-mails and testimony since the 2000 election revealed that Database Technologies had warned state elections officials early on that their loose matches would produce many "false positives" on the purge list.
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Many counties sent letters in 2000 warning some voters that they were suspected felons and would be removed from the rolls unless they could prove otherwise. More than 4,500 voters appealed, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement found that about half were not felons.
Some voters learned on Election Day that they had been tagged as felons and that their right to vote had been eliminated.
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African-American residents make up less than 15 percent of Florida's population, but more than 40 percent of the voters the state suspects may have been purged by mistake are black.
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The parameters for matching registered voters with felons are much tighter today. Under the NAACP lawsuit settlement, the state agreed to filter its old felon lists through new, stricter match standards and send the new lists to the counties.
That exercise produced a list of 12,023 Floridians pegged as possible felons in 1999 and 2000 who would not be flagged and removed from the voter rolls under today's rules.
BOSTON — The Massachusetts high court ruled Tuesday that only full, equal marriage rights for gay couples -- rather than civil unions -- would meet the edict of its November decision, erasing any doubts that the nation's first same-sex marriages would take place in the state beginning in mid-May.
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The state Senate asked for more guidance from the court and sought the advisory opinion, which was made public Wednesday morning when it was read into the Senate record.
by Robert Novak
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The important Democrats eager to run retired Gen. Wesley Clark for president might exercise due diligence about a military career that was nearly terminated before he got his fourth star and then came to a premature end. The trouble with the general is pointed out by a bizarre incident in Bosnia nearly a decade ago.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030922.shtml
WASHINGTON - Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark has become the great hope for establishment Democrats seeking to stop front-runner Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.
Yet Clark, who has based his campaign on his foreign policy credentials, actually has the strangest foreign policy views of anyone in the presidential race.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dougbandow/db20040119.shtml
Too much ego at play for a Kerry/Clark ticket. That's true for any of the contenders. I don't think any one of them would accept being V.P. for the other.
I think Edwards might accept the VP spot if he doesn't win.
From Novakula's column:
Remember, this is the same Robert Novak who outed an undercover CIA operative . . . whose specialty was WMDs. The problem with this accusation is that Mladic did not pull off the Srebrenica massacre until almost a year later, in July of 1995. Don't believe me? Believe Google. Mladic was not indicted for war crimes until after the Srebrenica massacre, so Novak's implication that Clark was buddying up to an indicted war criminal is typical of the man's sleazy smears.
You can read more here: http://www.clarkmyths.com/myth9.html
Novak article
link is to bodine's favorite "Townhall" site
and yet this HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL OPERATIONS AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS, SECOND SESSION, MARCH 31, 1998 clearly states...
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if you want to talk about people meeting war criminals...how about we talk about the CURRENT Vice-President and his business meeting with that reknowned war criminal Saddam Hussian...
the really weird thing is that we have all seen the photo referred to above, but go ahead and try to find it now. It seems to have disappeared from the internet. Can anyone find the infamous picture of Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
You mean this image, crabs?
There's a huge one herewhich says it's from Getty Images.
that's it...where'd you find it?
Googled images "saddam rumsfeld" and opted for all images. Only three hits on that particular one, though. I edited the post above to add a link to a huge version of it.
And here's a link to the George Washington University National Security Archiveon US - Iraq relations in the early '80s, complete with a Windows Media clip of the meeting. It was quite a long handshake, and later shows Rummy leaning eagerly toward Saddam during a sit-down meeting. I
<butt> Google.
anyway, can't wait to hear bodine's comment on (or rather dismissal of) this, since Townhall is about all he ever links to.
the only real difference between Novak's claims of Clark's meeting and that of Rumsfeld's meeting is that these dates...
actually line up in a way that says he met with someone who was a war criminal at the time of the meeting.
Ah yes. Dwelling on 20 year old news.
"Don't talk to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
for the record, Donald Rumsfeld is the current
Vice-President of The United States and recently invaded the country of the man he was doing business with in that picture...but I guess dwelling on Clark's experience 10 years ago is okay.
Can anyone find the infamous picture of Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
Never saw one of Cheneydoing that.
Donald Rumsfeld is the current Vice-President of The United States
I think that you are a little confused here. Better recheck your facts concerning the position of these two in our government. Not fighting for or against anything, just trying to keep things straight.
Rumsfeld is the current v.p. crabs?
I rest my entire case about crab's prolonged use of marijuana.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
just wanted to see if anyone actually was reading what was being posted
the question I have is if Torpedo doesn't want me to talk to him, why is he listening to me?
I've always switched those two though for some reason. Perhaps it's because the VP acts like a Secretary of Defense so much of the time.
A poor attempt to bail crabs.
Your stoned. Admit it.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
Two openly gay members are demanding that the country club extend benefits to their domestic partners, saying they should enjoy the same privileges married couples do.
....
The mayor has until mid-February to decide what action to take. In theory, the city could threaten to revoke the country club's business and liquor licenses if Druid Hills refuses to change its policies. But critics charge the commission is trying to supersede state laws.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109037,00.html
Government tyranny, no question about it.
Since when is it the Governments, especially the Presidents's, responsibility to create jobs?
When liberals say so.
Shit... If he were a "Liberal", you would be screaming for his HEAD.
No I wouldn't. I don't happen to think it's the governments responsibility to create jobs.
You know damn well fold job losses and the downturn in the economy started during Clinton's last year in office.
You can't stop a train on a dime.
Who's the Vice President of the United States today crabs?
HE points to an economy that is only grudgingly moving ahead, slowly, but he doesn't point to the fact that it is because of The War.
Let's see 8% growth in the third qaurter of 2003. hmmmmmm. That's slow growth?
You know damn well fold job losses and the downturn in the economy started during Clinton's last year in office.
Correct, torp. The economy was fine from Reagan through Bush I, and Clinton inherited it. Then the feds and the state governments started spending and the economy slowed. Bush's tax cuts are what caused the current upswing. Democrats will never admit that tax cuts stimulate the economy.
bingo
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
ALL the job "Gains" he trumpetted in December, have been LOST, and in fact he still has that NET LOSS of almost 3,000,000 jobs, during HIS administration?
How did you come up with this number? What I see at ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/empsit.01192000.news is that in Dec., 1999 there were 134,420,000 jobs and at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htmin Dec., 2003 there are 138,479,000 jobs. 138,479,000 - 134,420,000 = 4,059,000 new jobs during Bush's presidency.
The question, finally, is this: Do the people have a right to know the biases of the people from whom they get almost all their information about politics, politicians, candidates and causes? Seems to me that an honest journalist has to answer yes.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/pb20040121.shtml
Does that mean that every Buchanan column should begin with the disclaimer that ol' Pat has a real problem with Jews? And before you jump all over me for that, heed the words of William F Buckley:
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1990: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in The Middle East – the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States."
- The McLaughlin Group, Aug 26, 1990
1990: "Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory."
- McLaughlin Group, June 15, 1990
1999: "After World War II, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost an obsession with American leaders."
- A Republic, Not an Empire. P. 336.
1999: "I know the power of the Israeli lobby and the other lobbies, but we need a foreign policy that puts our own country first."
- Meet the Press Interview. September 12, 1999.
those quotes, to me, do not establish that Pat is anti-semitic.
Well, go to your library and look up the December 1991 National Review. William F Buckley spent the entire issue examining Mr. Buchanan's spoken statements, writings and political activities, and after thousands of words came to the conclusion quoted above (and below).
"I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the chargethat what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism..."
I did not dispute that Buckley made the comment attributed to him. Please read what I write. I do not see antisemitism in the comments attributed to Pat Buchanan that you posted. I am also quite familiar with Pat. Simply put, I disagree with Buckley.
All righty, then.
This has got to be a joke: http://thehuntingofthepresident.com/
Can you believe a liberal wrote this:
sure, it sound like a thinking human being, so it pretty much had to be written by a liberal.
Hehehehehe
It sounds like a liberal with his eyes wide open.
I have never understood the devotion people have to Bill Clinton.
fold, you answered me by saying the economy was fine from Reagan through Bush I.
You answered Muskwa by saying the economy was not fine from Reagan through Bush I.????
C'mon Muskwa. Clinton wasn't a "Great" Prez, by any stretch, but the economy in his second 4 years is STILL recognized as a benchmark for the widest expansion of the economy and resulting millions of jobs, in our History.
And Clinton had NOTHING to do with it. He rode it like a surfer rides a wave.
If Clinton had led with anything other than poll surveys and his penis....
Clinton had no moral compass so he couldn't do otherwise.
The nation's 4 million convicted felons could be enough to swing the November election. Surveys show that the overwhelming majority would vote Democratic if they could, so felons are a voting bloc that Democrats are just itching to harvest.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/ps20040126.shtml
Vote Democrat: the party of felons!!!!
From the Schlafly article:
Much more accurately, if several thousand people with no criminal records whatsoever had not been removed from the rolls, the outcome in Florida would have been different.
St. Petersburg Times, December 21, 2003 No telling if voter rolls are ready for 2004
LOL! The Democrats need convicted felons to carry the Party!
BOSTON — The Massachusetts high court ruled Tuesday that only full, equal marriage rights for gay couples -- rather than civil unions -- would meet the edict of its November decision, erasing any doubts that the nation's first same-sex marriages would take place in the state beginning in mid-May.
....
The state Senate asked for more guidance from the court and sought the advisory opinion, which was made public Wednesday morning when it was read into the Senate record.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110432,00.html
Advisory opinion? That is NOT the role of the judiciary. Only the most blind cannot see the usurpation of legislative power by the court.
The rising cost of health care is making everyone mad.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/maggiegallagher/mg20040207.shtml