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Phalen_________________YES
Highland_______________YES
Battle Creek___________YES, at least 3
Indian Mounds__________YES, 2
College Park___________not yet
Cherokee_______________YES, at least 2
Swede Hollow___________YES
Hidden Falls___________YES, 3
Newell_________________YES, as of yesterday
Crosby Farm____________YES, at least 4
Como___________________YES, at least 4
Kellogg________________not yet
Marydale_______________soon
Linwood________________yes, as of yesterday
Duluth & Case__________nope
Merriam Park___________kept right on driving
Dickerson______________nope
Tony Schmidt___________nope
Keller_________________YES
St. Clair______________nope
Lilydale_______________YES, at least 2
McMurray_______________not yet
Wakefield______________YES
Phalen_________________YES

mostly I was checking to make sure there are no photos of me being posted here.... (grin) If you were going to put them anywhere, this would be it... eh?

I said I wouldn't post them ... now send me the good ones

|: )

Any converts ? Maybe OTS ??

Here's my next big plan, which probably will be rejected.

"Legend of the Lost Medallion", sub-titled "Return to the Valley of Death"

The ultimate geocache, which may or may not be there. Were there two? Is the original still there? Did one of the raccoons eat it?

A monthly search until it's found, on the 12thday of each month.

K B is me, short for King Boreas

Looks like KB has a new friend.

Log by the cleaner:

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=ace6a7f4-b633-4a66-b859-0b30652692c4

Profiles of the cleaner:

http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=6c82a101-0b59-44a0-ad29-8f2cca11cfaa

And the e-mail I received from the cleaner:

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From: noreply@geocaching.com
Subject: [GEO] the cleaner contacting you from Geocaching.com
Date: February 9, 2004 02.43.26 CST
To: [s4xton - address removed]

--This message was sent through the Geocaching.com web site--

dont bother with the boreas cache in mounds park that you tried for. it's gone

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The user appears to be an AOL user, based on his/her originating IP.

I replied to him/her and said:

"If you're really here to clean, do us a favour and take care of KB's Garbage Pail series instead of the Boreas Rex series.

Cheers,
-Aaron"

KB - Why don't you send him a note and let him know which ones he should focus on. I'm sure if you come at this guy with anger he's going to get off on it. Obviouslly someone has a bit much time. Why not hone his desires to something useful?

-Aaron

a new cache thief

yeah

The Cleaner is tired of worthless caches....if he/she deems your cache is crap....it will be cleaned....no need to thank me.

Hobbies:
I'm not out to wreck caches for people or the activity for others. I am simply a fellow cacher that has had enough of people frivilously placing caches everywhere, not taking care of them, and not even trying to be imaginative. My purpose is to help other cachers enjoy this activity more by weeding out bad caches....especially by those that like to place as many as they can, taking up precious hiding spots that some one who has lived near that area could use, but can't because some people want big stats. Agree with me or not, I'm out there..cleaning up.

It's like me4.

A fake name, most likely someone I pissed off somehow.

AZGIRL and MARSHA would kick their asses if they did it....

ah, the power of a woman

What's up with Kirstin, anyway ?

damn it, now I'm fuggin' choked up ...

King Boreas,
I have been meaning to contact you for some time to say "thank you"! This morning's post on the MnGCA about the cleaner gave me the motivation I needed. Let me start with a little about me. I have just started to log online, but I have found 476 caches locally. Many were yours. Your caches have added a lot of enjoyment to my life. They have gotten me back out into the woods for long hikes, to local parks I didn't know existed, and allowed me to take fifty pounds off my body.

I'm sure I am one of the silent majority who are thankful for people, like you, who use there own resources to set up caches and then take the time to place them for the enjoyment of others. Pretty nice, I think! I take pleasure in the hunt for the cache whether in a cookie tin, Glad ware, Tupperware, pill bottle, ammo can, etc. The variety of containers is what makes the hunt challenging and interesting.

I hope this one individual does not stop you from enjoying this hobby. It would be a great loss to the local geocaching community. If you need to make your caches members-only again that's fine with me. You have many fans out there and I am one of them.

Thank you for all you have done for Geocaching,

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yeah, as far as I know there are 29 left.

I still have no idea what this B & L token was for.

Was it in my cache? Is it nickel-size? If so, it was a pincall token used in the 1940's.

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OTSfound 2nd Annual Winter Cache/Bug Bash (Event Cache) at 2/8/2004

Log Date: 2/8/2004
What a great way to start :)

Visit GCHC2W
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=95ffcefe-4246-41c2-abbd-ab86d17bdf98

Congratulations, OTS !

Now you need to log "The Mosh Pit" on the same site. It doesn't have it's own page because it is a temporary cache.

Congrats, old timer !

KC0GRN found Frost Lake (Traditional Cache) at 2/14/2004

Log Date: 2/14/2004
Found this one without a GPS or a map, only remembered seeing there was one at Frost Lake, stopped by on my way to Phalen, basically just followed the footprints on in. Was still hidden pretty good, left just as hidden. Took the wooden nickel pogopod had left (pretty cool, wonder where he had em made?) left a quarter and a canadian penny.

TFTC KB!

Ok everyone...it seems I've caused a bit of a stir here.I am The Cleaner. everyone is ticked off at me for trashing out a junk cache..what right do I have to judge? None. I don't have a personal vendeta against KB....or anyone else...yet....keep the threating emails coming and watch how fast I switch hit..to those of you that sent emails of support..I thank you....to those that said they understood what I did, and then posted hear speaking out aginst me in order to save face, well...one thing I do hate is a hypocrite.

I feel i should explain my actions..and in part apologize to Mr. Boreas. I have been caching for quite awhile now. I have introduced countless people to geocaching. I have even had some caches of my own that many of you enjoyed. I have wanted to drop a new cache for sometime, but everytime I seem to pick a spot..out goes a Boreas cache...It is troubling to have parks close to you that are basically off limits because someone decided they wanted to put another one of thercaches in that park, and many times not even in a good spot. I let all that go, becasue I like to hunt also...so...even though I noticed KB had dropped somewhere around 30 caches this last month, I thought I would go looking for some. A few I found were the usual...cookie can from savers and a trash bag....no big deal....but then I got to Mounds Park on St. Pauls East Side. I was almost excited because it seemed like a nice place...a good hide...then i found it. What I can only describe as absolute garbage. A piece of plastic packaging from who knows what...stuffed in a zip lock. This beautiful spot was hogged up for that? Granted the premis was great, winter carnival button trade (which by the way i fully intend to drop those in another cache, more than likely a KB one, I wasn't trying to steal anything). The problem I had was that this was absolutly garbage. How long could anyone expect that cache to last with that for a conatiner. Not even an old cookie tin this time, just some piece of garbage KB didn't want to throw out. Ok Ok....so he places alot of caches an adds to the sport....granted. I have been to many that weren't so bad. Oh my, and nice containers cost so much. Well...tough. I'm not going to tell people what they should or shouldnt use for containers, I don't care. I actually like to see what people come up with, but this just ticked me off...garabge. Anybody that visited that cache, I know you won't back me up on this because thats not in the nature of people in this group when it goes against the greater public opinion, but if any of you has it in them to post what it was like.....All I can say is SAD....it was sad to see such a great spot, and even hide this time get wasted. So i thought, maybe I can stimulate some discussion on the topic of cache density for numbers sake and bad caches in general, and before anyone says why didn't you just post for a discussion instead of doing what I did, forget it. i have watched others on here get bashed for bucking the group, speaking out against TB mongers and crappy caches. This was the only way to get some attention, and it has. Love Me, Hate Me...everyone has had to think about it of late because of what I did.

No one has anything to worry about from me. I am not out to get KB. I am not out to get anyone. I am a geocacher like everyone else here. I love hunting for caches, but lets face facts. In the future things arn't going to get better for the activity. With growth comes consequence, and responsibility. The bigger this all gets, the more park systems will want to regulate it. It's hard enough now to find a good spot for a cache before some beats you to the punch...let's all think the next time we want to drop a cache..."Is this something I would enjoy finding" ,or "If I were someone that just stumbled on this, what message would it send about Geocaching"

Either way, the forum is open, why not use it. Speak your piece. If you hate me, go ahead and email me personally, don't clutter the forum. Instead lets use it to explore this issue. Maybe I am way off base in my thinking, however, several emails from geocachers, even some here, have made me believe otherwise. I urge the webmaster not to close this thread , we are all adults and can have an open discussion with out censorship hanging over our heads.

I make a promise to everyone here and now...If people can talk openly about this topic, wether it brings about change or not, I will NOT continue my plan to weed out garbage caches. I want everyone to have fun doing this..I really do. I know it sucks to go to a cache that is missing..that is why I made sure to let others know what I had done. I am holding all furthur action for the sake of peace..corny I know. i don't want anyone worried I might steal their cache..if it disappears, it won't be from me. I will be back to particpate in this discussion and am open to private discussion as well. Thanks for your time...sorry for upsetting everyone, but it needed to be done. I only hope I don't have to do it again.

The Cleaner

I am The Cleaner. everyone is ticked off at me for trashing out a junk cache.

That was not a junk cache. I don't remember that site's container, and I'm not gonna look. If it was rubbermaid, as most of them were, it was purchased for this purpose, and never used for anything else.

I received an e-mail concerning this type of container, and -15 degree weather. My reply was that I expected a bunch of the WC button caches to disappear, due to "imagined" value of older buttons. I also stated that the remainder would be upgraded with better containers.

I have wanted to drop a new cache for sometime, but everytime I seem to pick a spot..out goes a Boreas cache...It is troubling to have parks close to you that are basically off limits because someone decided they wanted to put another one of thercaches in that park,

I'm guessing here, because I'm not going to look, but I believethat Centris archived the cache in April. If that's true, that prime area in Mounds Park was available for 8-9 months prior to my arrival.

What I can only describe as absolute garbage. A piece of plastic packaging from who knows what...stuffed in a zip lock. This beautiful spot was hogged up for that? Granted the premis was great, winter carnival button trade (which by the way i fully intend to drop those in another cache, more than likely a KB one, I wasn't trying to steal anything). The problem I had was that this was absolutly garbage. How long could anyone expect that cache to last with that for a conatiner. Not even an old cookie tin this time, just some piece of garbage KB didn't want to throw out.

I throw out lots of garbage. The containers I use are new, or thoroughly cleaned.

Oh my, and nice containers cost so much. Well...tough.

Nice

I'm not going to tell people what they should or shouldnt use for containers, I don't care.

Huh?

this just ticked me off...garabge. Anybody that visited that cache, I know you won't back me up on this because thats not in the nature of people in this group when it goes against the greater public opinion, but if any of you has it in them to post what it was like.....

All I can say is SAD....it was sad to see such a great spot, and even hide this time get wasted.

Where were you from May-December ?

maybe I can stimulate some discussion on the topic of cache density for numbers sake and bad caches in general, ... i have watched others on here get bashed for ... speaking out against ... crappy caches.

Did you happen to notice the Garbage Pail Kids cache thread? Did you happen to notice that 9 of the 10 were archived? (Aaron, Centris has picked up 4 of them, and I am planning to remove the rest soon. More on that later.)

This was the only way to get some attention, and it has. Love Me, Hate Me...everyone has had to think about it of late because of what I did.

It's hard enough now to find a good spot for a cache

agreed

The Cleaner

I guess I'd like to thank you for the post here. The problem I have is that there has been some dialogue on this forum about the things that concern you. When I asked for opinions concerning a series of caches, I asked for honesty, and got it. And it was not anonymous. That made a huge difference in how I accepted what was said.

Now that the topic of cache density has once again surfaced, we can all expect much closer scrutiny when submitting caches. Plan ahead.

Did I place 31 caches in January ? Yep, for two reasons. I thought of a theme that was generally well accepted, and the timing was perfect. I was also on a drive to reach a "milestone" BFD, right?

It was a number that I liked, and felt comfortable with. Once attained, a new plan was going to be activated. I alluded to this, to a few people I've talked to. I had planned a 'hiatus'. The time would be used to check out all multiple DNF's, remove any hopelessly trashed items, replace and/or upgrade containers. (I have 30+ ammo boxes ready for use.) I strongly felt that it was time to "retire" or at least go into hibernation.

This plan would be activated, and happening now, if "The Cleaner" had not appeared. I'm not going to let it appear that your action caused me to "retreat"

I'll be back searching maps, cities, parks for "green space" unless you want to dump your anonymous yahoo/aol smokescreen and identify yourself.

Do you want to borrow my back-up GPSr ??