Christians know the right path. Sometimes they get a little wayward and maybe they can get back on it once they see their mistakes. However what started this was a comment made by a poster that clearly belittles the right path. Maybe she, too, can see the right path. But she has a lot further to go because she rejects, at least at this time, the path altogether. In other words she has the potential to become moral, as do you, crabs.
care for a little sacramental wine with that cheese?
That is not the same and you ought to know it. Those churches that use wine in communion don't give enough to alter ones mind. Further you can't equate wine with cocaine, crack , meth, LSD heroin etc. I know few people that champion drunkenness.
there is nothing immoral about using drugs.
Yes there is. And of course you discount that because you want to do them. It is selfishness and self indulgence that leads to your self delusion.
I know you want to believe that because you want to justify the use oc cociane, crack,meth etc. But it is true
no, it's not.
you want to make a case that it is, go ahead...but I'm not gonna take the word of someone with no actual experience with them as true.
prove it.
start with marijuana.
is smoking any amount of marijuana "abuse" of the body and therefore immoral? try to keep in mind the thousands of years that it's been used as a medicine.
and then tell us how everyone who ever had cocaine used for, say, dental work, is immoral. Cocaine historically has been used as medicine for many years. The coca leaf is an intregal part of some cultures. Are these entire cultures "immoral"?
you want to make a case that it is, go ahead...but I'm not gonna take the word of someone with no actual experience with them as true.
And I am not going to take the word of someone who's mind has been warped by drugs.
is smoking any amount of marijuana "abuse" of the body and therefore immoral? try to keep in mind the thousands of years that it's been used as a medicine.
And I am not going to take the word of someone who's mind has been warped by drugs
nearly all people use some sort of drug or another.
you are the one making the claim that any use of certain ones are "abuse" while others are not.
I rarely ever drink alcohol.
Did I include marijuana in my list?
You consistantly include it when discussing which ones should be illegal. Or are you now for the decriminalizing of marijuana? Are you saying that marijuana use isn't "immoral"? And if it's stull immoral, why do you demand it's exclusion from your reasoning?
and then I'd have to believe in the supernatural and in my ability to converse with it.
I find it easier to simply take responsibility for what I do. No forgiving....I have to actually live with the consequences of my actions. And I do....and the fact is, they are not the actions of an immoral person.
Immorality simply means that a person misbehaves as a way of life.
all that is left is determining what qualifies as "misbehaving"
you seem to know enough about it to judge me as "immoral", let's have a list of what is "misbehaving".
your "any use of these drugs but only overuse of these other drugs" argument didn't cut it. Sorry.
I didn't. The point is that even those that are percieved to be evil by nearly everyone may think they are moral. Just because one thinks they are moral doesn't mean it is so.
A couple in Tampa, Fla. has sued the local school board there for refusing to end the practice of opening its meetings by reciting the Lord’s Prayer, reports the Associated Press.
Steven and Carol Rosenauer, who are Jewish, want a federal judge to issue an injunction against the Manatee County School Board preventing it from uttering any prayers.
The couple says the board reneged on a May 2003 promise to stop the decades-long practice of using the Lord’s Prayer and instead say a “nondenominational invocation.” It has continued to use the word ‘Jesus’ in its prayers, the couple alleges.
"The practice has made the plaintiffs feel unwelcome and as if they were second-class citizens and outsiders in their own community, has subjected their family to coercive expression of the religious beliefs of the school board and otherwise has diminished the plaintiff's enjoyment of their right to attend or watch school board meetings," the lawsuit says.
According to a FOX News poll conducted in the days following the Supreme Judicial Court ruling in Massachusetts, 66 percent of Americans oppose and 25 percent favor same-sex marriage. These new results are similar to those from August 2003, as well as results from 1996, when 65 percent of the public said they opposed allowing same-sex couples to marry.
using your logic, Christians have no morality.
Christians know the right path. Sometimes they get a little wayward and maybe they can get back on it once they see their mistakes. However what started this was a comment made by a poster that clearly belittles the right path. Maybe she, too, can see the right path. But she has a lot further to go because she rejects, at least at this time, the path altogether. In other words she has the potential to become moral, as do you, crabs.
they believethey know Apath.
others who are just as moral may believethat they don't.
I already am moral.
Morality is a bigger concept than your narrow little bullshit path.
others who are just as moral may believe that they don't.
A lot of people deceive themselves.
I already am moral.
I beg to differ.
go ahead.
what isn't moral about me?
what do you consider immoral?
you want to call me immoral, you better damn well be able to prove what is immoral and how it applies to me.
That's easy. Crabs has no problem stealing or forcibly taking a child's urine so adults can beat a drug test.
"Quit stalking me" - Torpedo-8
"Quit talking to me" - Torpedo-8
and Torpedo has no problem with the government forcibly taking children's urine
what isn't moral about me?
what do you consider immoral?
Your advocacy of doping up, for one.
care for a little sacrimental wine with that cheese?
Jesus can take water and whip you up some if you like.
there is nothing immoral about using drugs.
care for a little sacramental wine with that cheese?
That is not the same and you ought to know it. Those churches that use wine in communion don't give enough to alter ones mind. Further you can't equate wine with cocaine, crack , meth, LSD heroin etc. I know few people that champion drunkenness.
there is nothing immoral about using drugs.
Yes there is. And of course you discount that because you want to do them. It is selfishness and self indulgence that leads to your self delusion.
they are all drugs.
wine is a drug.
Jesus made it for his guests.
alcohol is a more damaging drug than those others.
and I don't champion drug abuse.
the problem is that you can't deal with the fact that drugs can be used without being abused.
so, tell me what is immoral about the use of a drug?
the problem is that you can't deal with the fact that drugs can be used without being abused.
I know you want to believe that but it isn't true. Cocaine, crack, meth, LSD, heroin etc abuse the person from the first instance of use.
so, tell me what is immoral about the use of a drug?
See above. Taking those drugs abuses the body and that is immoral.
no more than alcohol.
you and I dffer on what is abuse.
so, you decide what is abuse to other people's bodies?
some people think masturbation is abuse (hell, it's even called that)...do you think masturbation is immoral?
no more than alcohol.
Yes more than alcohol. Sure someone can take in to much alcohol but any cocaine, meth etc., is to much.
that's simply not true.
Yes more than alcohol. Sure someone can take in to much alcohol but any cocaine, meth etc., is to much.
that's simply not true.
I know you want to believe that because you want to justify the use oc cociane, crack,meth etc. But it is true.
no, it's not.
you want to make a case that it is, go ahead...but I'm not gonna take the word of someone with no actual experience with them as true.
prove it.
start with marijuana.
is smoking any amount of marijuana "abuse" of the body and therefore immoral? try to keep in mind the thousands of years that it's been used as a medicine.
and then tell us how everyone who ever had cocaine used for, say, dental work, is immoral. Cocaine historically has been used as medicine for many years. The coca leaf is an intregal part of some cultures. Are these entire cultures "immoral"?
is obesity "immoral"
you want to make a case that it is, go ahead...but I'm not gonna take the word of someone with no actual experience with them as true.
And I am not going to take the word of someone who's mind has been warped by drugs.
is smoking any amount of marijuana "abuse" of the body and therefore immoral? try to keep in mind the thousands of years that it's been used as a medicine.
Did I include marijuana in my list?
is obesity "immoral"
gluttony is a sin.
nearly all people use some sort of drug or another.
you are the one making the claim that any use of certain ones are "abuse" while others are not.
I rarely ever drink alcohol.
You consistantly include it when discussing which ones should be illegal. Or are you now for the decriminalizing of marijuana? Are you saying that marijuana use isn't "immoral"? And if it's stull immoral, why do you demand it's exclusion from your reasoning?
so, it's immoral to be obese?
Not all drugs alter the mind. The ones you champion do.
so, it's immoral to be obese?
Since gluttony is a sin obesity can be evidence of sin.
according to your book, it's a sin to do a lot of things.
it's a sin to not respect your parents...so are you saying that the child of a mass murderer is "immoral" if they don't respect their parent?
what drugs do you think I champion?
alcohol alters the mind.
caffiene and nicotine does too.
are people who are given morphine in the hospital for pain "immoral"?
alcohol alters the mind. I am not sure it actually alters the mind. Certain amounts can cause black outs.
caffiene and nicotine does too. I am not sure that they alter the mind either. They alter the body and therefore can be abuse the body.
Bush abused drugs for years and years by his own account. Is Bush "immoral"?
so everyone who drinks soft drinks is "immoral?
damn.
Bush abused drugs for years and years by his own account. Is Bush "immoral"?
He was. He apparently has repented and asked for forgiveness.
so everyone who drinks soft drinks is "immoral?
I didn't say that. I do not know how much of those substances is an abuse of the body.
that seems to be the case with you about all drugs.
but he was "immoral", right?
but he was "immoral", right?
What difference does that make?
you are the one calling people "immoral"
just want to find out what the hell you actually mean by that.
you accuse me of being "immoral" and I'm telling you that simply isn't the case.
you are the one calling people "immoral"
just want to find out what the hell you actually mean by that.
I told you Bush repented and changed his behavior. You can do that you know. Immorality simply means that a person misbehaves as a way of life.
I'd have to actually do something immoral first.
and then I'd have to believe in the supernatural and in my ability to converse with it.
I find it easier to simply take responsibility for what I do. No forgiving....I have to actually live with the consequences of my actions. And I do....and the fact is, they are not the actions of an immoral person.
all that is left is determining what qualifies as "misbehaving"
you seem to know enough about it to judge me as "immoral", let's have a list of what is "misbehaving".
your "any use of these drugs but only overuse of these other drugs" argument didn't cut it. Sorry.
I'd have to actually do something immoral first.
I don't know you well, crabs, but it appears to me that you lead an immoral life. Repent and be saved!
and then I'd have to believe in the supernatural and in my ability to converse with it.
You don't have converse with anything.
I find it easier to simply take responsibility for what I do. No forgiving....I have to actually live with the consequences of my actions.
You will do that for an eternity.
repent from what...and be saved from what?
good thing I'm not immoral.
you said he asked forgiveness...that is conversing
you still have yet to explain what it is that is immoral.
I'm a very moral person.
you said he asked forgiveness...that is conversing No it isn't. God won't be talking to you, you'll be talking to him.
I'm a very moral person. I'm sure Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer thought the same.
you have yet to explain what you think would make me immoral.
I've never so much as struck another human, much less killed anyone. Why would you try to smear me with the likes of serial killers?
You try to say I'm immoral, but you can't even seem to define what that is.
I didn't. The point is that even those that are percieved to be evil by nearly everyone may think they are moral. Just because one thinks they are moral doesn't mean it is so.
and just because someone thinks someone is immoral, doesn't mean it is so.
no, you haven't defined it.
and just because someone thinks someone is immoral, doesn't mean it is so.
Maybe not. But you are immoral. Live with it or repent!
you don't even know what it is to be moral.
what exactly do you want me to repent, anyway?
what exactly do you want me to repent, anyway?
You can repent for just being you.
how Christian of you to suggest it.
if there is a God, he should ask my forgiveness for making me have to tolerate the likes of you, bodine.
A couple in Tampa, Fla. has sued the local school board there for refusing to end the practice of opening its meetings by reciting the Lord’s Prayer, reports the Associated Press.
Steven and Carol Rosenauer, who are Jewish, want a federal judge to issue an injunction against the Manatee County School Board preventing it from uttering any prayers.
The couple says the board reneged on a May 2003 promise to stop the decades-long practice of using the Lord’s Prayer and instead say a “nondenominational invocation.” It has continued to use the word ‘Jesus’ in its prayers, the couple alleges.
"The practice has made the plaintiffs feel unwelcome and as if they were second-class citizens and outsiders in their own community, has subjected their family to coercive expression of the religious beliefs of the school board and otherwise has diminished the plaintiff's enjoyment of their right to attend or watch school board meetings," the lawsuit says.
I say B.S.
According to a FOX News poll conducted in the days following the Supreme Judicial Court ruling in Massachusetts, 66 percent of Americans oppose and 25 percent favor same-sex marriage. These new results are similar to those from August 2003, as well as results from 1996, when 65 percent of the public said they opposed allowing same-sex couples to marry.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103756,00.html