and you want to teach them that this country, of which I am a part, is "under God"...you want them to put me under your God regardless of what I believe or don't believe.
They are there to learn. They can reject what they are taught on their own time.
They are there to learn. They can reject what they are taught on their own time.
then it's okay to teach them that Satan is their master....they can reject it on their own time, right? Why can't you teach your kid what myths to believe in on your own time.
I am so sorry that you are so ignorant that you don't understand and so full of yourself that you don't want to.
I am sorry you think that your book was written by people who heard voices and thought it was God speaking through them.
If I hear the voices in my head that say it's God and He tells me to write a book about it, will you believe that book too?
then it's okay to teach them that Satan is their master....they can reject it on their own time, right? If you can the shcooll board and the parents to go for it, fine.Why can't you teach your kid what myths to believe in on your own time. That is about all they learn now. If you want to call God a myth, what's one more?
If I hear the voices in my head that say it's God and He tells me to write a book about it, will you believe that book too? It is not about self proclamation, crabs. Once again your ignorance shines through.
In March 2000, DeWaal and others sued the NPS for its policy of managing the Monument as an American Indian sacred site. The NPS had adopted the policy in response to demands by American Indian groups that visitors show respect for Indians’ belief that Rainbow Bridge is god incarnate. DeWaal was confident: in 1980, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit ruled that American Indians had no “right to insist [that] others must conform their conduct to [Indians’] own religious necessities...otherwise, the [Monument] would become a government-managed religious shrine.”
you don't think I have faith because what I have faith in isn't what you think I should have faith in.
That is about all they learn now. If you want to call God a myth, what's one more?
Did you learn this in Catholic school?
It is not about self proclamation, crabs. Once again your ignorance shines through.
I wasn't walking about self-proclamation...I was talking about if I heard God spoke to me and tell me to write a book for Him. If he did and I did, would you believe that too?
Because God spoke to me last night and He told me to tell you that you need to change your ways right away.
Your remarks yesterday were ignorant and hatefull IMO. Does it make you an asshole? To some it sure wouldn't endear you to them. What I was trying to say was that you say things like that and wonder why people would bother bantering or discussing anything with you so I wasn't nessicarily calling you an asshole if you go back and look ath the context, I was using it as an example. Insert what you said but replace it with Jews or African Americans. Someone's faith is personal and cherished. If you take issue with it, fine but please refrain from remarks like that if you truly want civil debate.
As far as your question about being proud how they've spread their beliefs and "colonized" themselves that's up to each individual to decide. If we are talking modern day era absolutly I'm proud in most cases. They are killed in many nations due to their beleifs but still remain committed to it. They aren't sheep and nobody forces someone to become a Christian. Are their bad people and bad examples and wrongs done it's name or people within the faith or people that call themselves Christian? Sure, name a group or religion that doesn't or hasn't had dark times or bad individuals. You were one of the first people to rightly point out how not all Muslim's are extremist or terrorist.
You have advocated many times for minorities because they are persecuted as you should and I applaud you for that. But you saying they "spread their stink" is as ignorant a statement as any racist has ever made.
you don't think I have faith because what I have faith in isn't what you think I should have faith in.
You don't have faith in anything but yourself, crabs. If that is truly faith it is misplaced.
Did you learn this in Catholic school? I am not nor have I ever been Catholic.
I was talking about if I heard God spoke to me and tell me to write a book for Him. If he did and I did, would you believe that too? In your case, crabs, that would be self proclamation.
Someone's faith is personal and cherished. If you take issue with it, fine but please refrain from remarks like that if you truly want civil debate.
you might want to take a look at a few of the hateful, ignorant things the "Christian" I've been talking with has said to me.
But you saying they "spread their stink" is as ignorant a statement as any racist has ever made.
Try putting it into an historical overview context. It's not without some truth.
While good has been done in the name of religion, you cannot ignore that a whole lot of bad has been done in it's name as well.
I was 13 when a Preist called my mother a "heathen". And he based it on what is written in the book you say you believe in. The book you believe in says quite a bit about people who don't believe in "Him", and it's not very kind either.
Someone's faith is personal and cherished.
So is mine, but did you take issue with bodine telling me I had none, only pride?
If you take issue with it, fine but please refrain from remarks like that if you truly want civil debate.
look at way bodine talks to me before you take issue with me about it, okay.
You don't have faith in anything but yourself, crabs.
this is absolutely wrong.
If that is truly faith it is misplaced.
I've explained where my faith is and you have apparently ignored it, because you sure don't seem to have understood anything about it except it doesn't conform to your beliefs.
you might want to take a look at a few of the hateful, ignorant things the "Christian" I've been talking with has said to me.
Then you ought to know better. So if a Jew or Muslim insulted you would you then go on about how they "spread their stink" ?
Try putting it into an historical overview context. It's not without some truth.
While good has been done in the name of religion, you cannot ignore that a whole lot of bad has been done in it's name as well.
Absolutely, name any group that hasn't had bad representatives or people twisting their faith or culture to do bad things. Yet you go on to castigate them all by making an inflamitory remark. The next time someone makes a diparaging remark about Islam I am sure you'll remain silent then.
look at way bodine talks to me before you take issue with me about it, okay.
What are you 5 years old ? Well yea but look at what he said! What Jethro says to you is his business. He was adressing you and only you. I ignore your posts to eachother generally. I addressed you because you made a blanket comment that was ignorant.
So is mine, but did you take issue with bodine telling me I had none, only pride?
Your pride is your faith.
I've explained where my faith is and you have apparently ignored it, because you sure don't seem to have understood anything about it except it doesn't conform to your beliefs. It is hard to understand the incomprehensible.
So if a Jew or Muslim insulted you would you then go on about how they "spread their stink" ?
enough of this stink talk. Fly and Rich are right in telling me it's out of line...if only because I fail to recognize that many Christians interpret the teaching of Jesus as that of pacifism and I too try to follow that way of thinking.
I apologize to those who honestly view their Christianity as following the teaching of Christ, regardless of if I believed he was immaculately conceived by God or not. I apologize to all the true Christians out there who knows that Jesus taught the ways of love and pacifism.
Now, whenever I point out the "Christians" are molesting children and covering it up or say something equally "offensive to you, I'm met with the completely sound argument that these people are not actually Christians. My comment of "stink" is directed at these people, who proclaim the word but do not follow the teachings. Those Christians among you who love me as they love all mankind as best they can and who wish me no harm, that "stink" is not about you. If the argument that a Christian is not necessarily always Christian, than my apology to all the actual Christians out there who love me and desire peace to ALL men, regardless of what they or I believe.
mea culpa.
Now, one of the reasons I be so abrubt has to do with the fact that I take offense at someone saying they are going to "pray for my soul"...this to me is an offensive thing to say. My soul is MINE, it is ME. I gave you no permission to interfere with my soul. I don't want yourGod in MY soul's business unless I CHOOSE to myself. Keep out of it. My soul is between me and MY God, whatever that may or may not be. It's not your's to discuss with yourGod.
And as a corallary, I also find it offensive when people suggest that America is Christian because this means that if I'm not Christain, I'm not America. America is not Christian because I am American and I am not Christian. There are a lot of Christians here, but I don't have to be a Christian to be an American with them. That's why America is so great. It's not Christian, it's not Jewish, It's not Muslim, it's not Buddist, it's not Methodist, it's not Amish....it's free people...free to believe or not believe whatever they want as long as they don't break any of the common laws that prevent them from hurting someone else.
It's true that there are many Christian who are American, but that doesn't mean that America itself is Christian. To suggest otherwise is an insult to all the Americans who aren'tChristian.
and that brings us to what I feel is the basic conceit of most Religions...that it assumes that it's God is universal, thereby eliminating the idea that another can have a different one.
and here's a question to ponder, how can someone be damned to eternal hell? If "eternal" is an infinite amout of time and you can't subtract from infinity, someone's time in hell cannot be infinite since at least some of it was not spent there.
so basically, if you spent eternity somewhere, you would already be there....always have been, always will be....eternity.
I fail to recognize that many Christians interpret the teaching of Jesus as that of pacifism and I too try to follow that way of thinking.
Jesus is no pacifist.
Revelation 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Jesus seems to get portrayed so often as some kind of amiable hippie who goes from town to town telling people to love each other.
Well, he did. But he is/was more complex than that.
In medival times he was called The Man of Sorrows.
Isaiah 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Now, one of the reasons I be so abrubt has to do with the fact that I take offense at someone saying they are going to "pray for my soul"...this to me is an offensive thing to say.
I just made an addition to my prayer list. You are quite welcome, crabs.
You don't believe anyway, so it's stupid to discuss it with you anyway.
I understand...you want your discussions to got like..."I agree", "oh, me too", "yes, absolutely, we are both right", "no argument here", "I have nothing to add", "we sure think alike", "dittto", "ditto", "ditto"....ect...
I understand...you want your discussions to got like..."I agree", "oh, me too", "yes, absolutely, we are both right", "no argument here", "I have nothing to add", "we sure think alike", "dittto", "ditto", "ditto"....ect...
I got news for you...everyone believes, and what everyone believes is different from what everyone else believes. We are unique individuals and our beliefs are just as unique.
so, if the old book don't work anymore and they needed a new one so people weren't going around stoning children to death...at what point does the new one become outdated and they write volume III?
if you get rid of public schools, you remove the choice of schooling that that is available to everyone.
No not necessarily. You are so closed mined to any options. How pathetic.
and you want to teach them that this country, of which I am a part, is "under God"...you want them to put me under your God regardless of what I believe or don't believe.
They are there to learn. They can reject what they are taught on their own time.
So why is there a problem with the generic saying of under God?
Satan isn't a God.
We forgot crabs knows everything.
Or do we have to have the majority decide what our kids are told to believe?
I would rather have the majority decide because what the minority have been teaching just sucks.
you are wrong.
then it's okay to teach them that Satan is their master....they can reject it on their own time, right? Why can't you teach your kid what myths to believe in on your own time.
I am sorry you think that your book was written by people who heard voices and thought it was God speaking through them.
If I hear the voices in my head that say it's God and He tells me to write a book about it, will you believe that book too?
You don't have faith, crabs, you only have pride.
crabs: you are wrong.
Nope. Anyone can tell by your postings.
then it's okay to teach them that Satan is their master....they can reject it on their own time, right? If you can the shcooll board and the parents to go for it, fine.Why can't you teach your kid what myths to believe in on your own time. That is about all they learn now. If you want to call God a myth, what's one more?
If I hear the voices in my head that say it's God and He tells me to write a book about it, will you believe that book too? It is not about self proclamation, crabs. Once again your ignorance shines through.
In March 2000, DeWaal and others sued the NPS for its policy of managing the Monument as an American Indian sacred site. The NPS had adopted the policy in response to demands by American Indian groups that visitors show respect for Indians’ belief that Rainbow Bridge is god incarnate. DeWaal was confident: in 1980, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit ruled that American Indians had no “right to insist [that] others must conform their conduct to [Indians’] own religious necessities...otherwise, the [Monument] would become a government-managed religious shrine.”
http://www.mountainstateslegal.org/summary_judgment_home.cfm
you don't think I have faith because what I have faith in isn't what you think I should have faith in.
Did you learn this in Catholic school?
I wasn't walking about self-proclamation...I was talking about if I heard God spoke to me and tell me to write a book for Him. If he did and I did, would you believe that too?
Because God spoke to me last night and He told me to tell you that you need to change your ways right away.
Crabs,
Your remarks yesterday were ignorant and hatefull IMO. Does it make you an asshole? To some it sure wouldn't endear you to them. What I was trying to say was that you say things like that and wonder why people would bother bantering or discussing anything with you so I wasn't nessicarily calling you an asshole if you go back and look ath the context, I was using it as an example. Insert what you said but replace it with Jews or African Americans. Someone's faith is personal and cherished. If you take issue with it, fine but please refrain from remarks like that if you truly want civil debate.
As far as your question about being proud how they've spread their beliefs and "colonized" themselves that's up to each individual to decide. If we are talking modern day era absolutly I'm proud in most cases. They are killed in many nations due to their beleifs but still remain committed to it. They aren't sheep and nobody forces someone to become a Christian. Are their bad people and bad examples and wrongs done it's name or people within the faith or people that call themselves Christian? Sure, name a group or religion that doesn't or hasn't had dark times or bad individuals. You were one of the first people to rightly point out how not all Muslim's are extremist or terrorist.
You have advocated many times for minorities because they are persecuted as you should and I applaud you for that. But you saying they "spread their stink" is as ignorant a statement as any racist has ever made.
you don't think I have faith because what I have faith in isn't what you think I should have faith in.
You don't have faith in anything but yourself, crabs. If that is truly faith it is misplaced.
Did you learn this in Catholic school? I am not nor have I ever been Catholic.
I was talking about if I heard God spoke to me and tell me to write a book for Him. If he did and I did, would you believe that too? In your case, crabs, that would be self proclamation.
you might want to take a look at a few of the hateful, ignorant things the "Christian" I've been talking with has said to me.
Try putting it into an historical overview context. It's not without some truth.
While good has been done in the name of religion, you cannot ignore that a whole lot of bad has been done in it's name as well.
I was 13 when a Preist called my mother a "heathen". And he based it on what is written in the book you say you believe in. The book you believe in says quite a bit about people who don't believe in "Him", and it's not very kind either.
So is mine, but did you take issue with bodine telling me I had none, only pride?
look at way bodine talks to me before you take issue with me about it, okay.
this is absolutely wrong.
I've explained where my faith is and you have apparently ignored it, because you sure don't seem to have understood anything about it except it doesn't conform to your beliefs.
Then you ought to know better.
So if a Jew or Muslim insulted you would you then go on about how they "spread their stink" ?
Absolutely, name any group that hasn't had bad representatives or people twisting their faith or culture to do bad things. Yet you go on to castigate them all by making an inflamitory remark. The next time someone makes a diparaging remark about Islam I am sure you'll remain silent then.
What are you 5 years old ? Well yea but look at what he said! What Jethro says to you is his business. He was adressing you and only you. I ignore your posts to eachother generally. I addressed you because you made a blanket comment that was ignorant.
So is mine, but did you take issue with bodine telling me I had none, only pride?
Your pride is your faith.
I've explained where my faith is and you have apparently ignored it, because you sure don't seem to have understood anything about it except it doesn't conform to your beliefs. It is hard to understand the incomprehensible.
enough of this stink talk. Fly and Rich are right in telling me it's out of line...if only because I fail to recognize that many Christians interpret the teaching of Jesus as that of pacifism and I too try to follow that way of thinking.
I apologize to those who honestly view their Christianity as following the teaching of Christ, regardless of if I believed he was immaculately conceived by God or not. I apologize to all the true Christians out there who knows that Jesus taught the ways of love and pacifism.
Now, whenever I point out the "Christians" are molesting children and covering it up or say something equally "offensive to you, I'm met with the completely sound argument that these people are not actually Christians. My comment of "stink" is directed at these people, who proclaim the word but do not follow the teachings. Those Christians among you who love me as they love all mankind as best they can and who wish me no harm, that "stink" is not about you. If the argument that a Christian is not necessarily always Christian, than my apology to all the actual Christians out there who love me and desire peace to ALL men, regardless of what they or I believe.
mea culpa.
Now, one of the reasons I be so abrubt has to do with the fact that I take offense at someone saying they are going to "pray for my soul"...this to me is an offensive thing to say. My soul is MINE, it is ME. I gave you no permission to interfere with my soul. I don't want yourGod in MY soul's business unless I CHOOSE to myself. Keep out of it. My soul is between me and MY God, whatever that may or may not be. It's not your's to discuss with yourGod.
And as a corallary, I also find it offensive when people suggest that America is Christian because this means that if I'm not Christain, I'm not America. America is not Christian because I am American and I am not Christian. There are a lot of Christians here, but I don't have to be a Christian to be an American with them. That's why America is so great. It's not Christian, it's not Jewish, It's not Muslim, it's not Buddist, it's not Methodist, it's not Amish....it's free people...free to believe or not believe whatever they want as long as they don't break any of the common laws that prevent them from hurting someone else.
It's true that there are many Christian who are American, but that doesn't mean that America itself is Christian. To suggest otherwise is an insult to all the Americans who aren'tChristian.
and that brings us to what I feel is the basic conceit of most Religions...that it assumes that it's God is universal, thereby eliminating the idea that another can have a different one.
and here's a question to ponder, how can someone be damned to eternal hell? If "eternal" is an infinite amout of time and you can't subtract from infinity, someone's time in hell cannot be infinite since at least some of it was not spent there.
so basically, if you spent eternity somewhere, you would already be there....always have been, always will be....eternity.
so, if enough people want it, you get to indoctrinate everyone's kids toward your beliefs by means of the public schools? No thanks.
That's what's happening now, so why not?
if you get rid of public schools, you remove the choice of schooling that that is available to everyone.
No you don't. All you gotta do is say "X amount of dollars can be used toward education of your child at the school of your choice".
The cool thing about that is, private educators do it better and for less.
That's not choice.
It's the epitome of choice. Whereas "Public" schools gives you one "Choice", which is everything but "Choice".
I fail to recognize that many Christians interpret the teaching of Jesus as that of pacifism and I too try to follow that way of thinking.
Jesus is no pacifist.
Revelation 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Jesus seems to get portrayed so often as some kind of amiable hippie who goes from town to town telling people to love each other.
In medival times he was called The Man of Sorrows.
Jesus seems to get portrayed so often as some kind of amiable hippie who goes from town to town telling people to love each other.
Well, he did. But he is/was more complex than that.
In medival times he was called The Man of Sorrows.
Now, one of the reasons I be so abrubt has to do with the fact that I take offense at someone saying they are going to "pray for my soul"...this to me is an offensive thing to say.
I just made an addition to my prayer list. You are quite welcome, crabs.
My soul is MINE, it is ME. I gave you no permission to interfere with my soul. I don't want your God in MY soul's business unless I CHOOSE to myself.
So you do believe "my" God exists. I thought so all along.
America is not Christian because I am American and I am not Christian.
America is a Christian nation despite your objections, crabs. If you haven't noticed the world does not revolve around you.
nor does it revolve around you and your God.
it's revolves around the Sun, not the Son.
what part of EVERYTHING EXISTS can't you seem to get?
nor does it revolve around you and your God.
You can think that all you want. But you'll find out soon enough that you have been mistaken
what part of EVERYTHING EXISTS can't you seem to get?
Do Pookas exist?
your god is a pooka
so you DO think the world revolves around you and your God.
I see.
How about we take this one to the religion thread ? Just a suggestion.
so you DO think the world revolves around you and your God.
I never said anything about me, crabs.
so, you didn't say anything?
God has hijacked your keyboard?
wow
THX, do you understand anything about the concept of "metaphor"?
what could this possibly mean?
I never said anything about me, crabs.
so, you didn't say anything?
God has hijacked your keyboard?
Have you been smoking again?
I don't even know your dealer.
THX, do you understand anything about the concept of "metaphor"?
Yes I do.
what could this possibly mean?
Jesus will return with an army.
What do you think it means?
That he'll return with a box full of cute fuzzy bunnies?
with swords in their mouths?
you feign ignorance poorly.
come now...what's the metaphor?
and I suppose that you believe in Easter bunnies too.
what's the metaphor?
That Jesus will return with an army to destroy the enemies of God.
no, that's not the metaphor.
I believe the sword is the word of God.
The larger point I was trying to make here is that Jesus is no Pacifist.
by showing that his "sword" is words?
Jesus and his lesson is all about pacifism.
Jesus and his lesson is all about pacifism.
I disagree, and so does Revelations.
You don't believe anyway, so it's stupid to discuss it with you anyway.
I understand...you want your discussions to got like..."I agree", "oh, me too", "yes, absolutely, we are both right", "no argument here", "I have nothing to add", "we sure think alike", "dittto", "ditto", "ditto"....ect...
I understand...you want your discussions to got like..."I agree", "oh, me too", "yes, absolutely, we are both right", "no argument here", "I have nothing to add", "we sure think alike", "dittto", "ditto", "ditto"....ect...
Yeah, that's it.
Ditto
We sure think alike.
don't believe what?
I got news for you...everyone believes, and what everyone believes is different from what everyone else believes. We are unique individuals and our beliefs are just as unique.
Yeah, that's it.
Ditto
We sure think alike.
glad to see that you now understand that Jesus taught pacifism.
Yeah, that's it.
Ditto
We sure think alike.
Jesus and his lesson is all about pacifism.
Iam not sure the money changers saw Jesus as a pacifist.
I think Jesus saw them as violent.
Mother Says She Stoned Sons to Prove Faith
if you are gonna believe the Book, might as well go all the way.
All the way to what? The Old Testament? We live in New Testament times.
so, if the old book don't work anymore and they needed a new one so people weren't going around stoning children to death...at what point does the new one become outdated and they write volume III?