“He wanted to contribute in the war on terrorism, to do something for America after 9/11,” his neighbor David Strawbridge said. “He was too old to fight, though I believe he had it in him, so when the opportunity came to work as a defense contractor he jumped on it.” link
Isn't the family involved with the writing of the obituaries, especially the wife?
Newark area resident Arthur L. "Art" Linderman died Monday, January 26, 2004.
Mr. Linderman, 58, died from injuries sustained in the service of his country and the freed people of Iraq after he was ambushed by insurgents near Tikrit January 14, 2004.
Mr. Linderman was in Iraq as a defense contractor for Kellogg, Brown & Root, a division of the Halliburton Corporation, to assist in the rebuilding of the country's post-war infrastructure. A former marine who served in the Vietnam War,he had been eager and proud to once again support U.S. troops in their mission to bring freedom to an oppressed people... link
For a man who not only wanted to contribute what he could but was eager and proud of it also to be written off as a person who was simply looking for work says a lot about these people.
I would say that the man is more of a hero than either Dan Rather or his wife would give him credit for.
For a man who not only wanted to contribute what he could but was eager and proud of it also to be written off as a person who was simply looking for work says a lot about these people.
and what about someone who suggested he was a lazy drug addict?
Here's an interesting read about an anti-war march in San Diego link
There was, of course, the notable absence of US flags (save the one with the peace symbol in place of the Union). Us military members, the very same people they were claiming to support, were portrayed in the usual fashion, that of poor, uneducated sheep. There were about 10 Palestinan flags, 3 Saddamite Iraq flags, a Cuban flag, and a North Korean flag being prominently displayed during the actual march. It was ironic that they decided about halfway into the march to yell out "This is what a democracy looks like!"
MADRID (Reuters) - High-speed trains to southern Spain began running again on Saturday after a bomb found on the line was defused but fears grew that Islamic extremists could strike again after the Madrid rail bombings.
The 12-kg (26-lb) bomb found on Friday on the high-speed line from Madrid to the southern city of Seville revived tension that was just beginning to subside after suspected al Qaeda-linked commuter train bombs killed 191 people on March 11...
Hereis an amazingly biased story from the AP. Among their claims is that Bush loyalist are packing an Iraqi press office. They go on to claim that:
One-third of the U.S. civilian workers in the press office have GOP ties, running an enterprise that critics see as an outpost of Bush's re-election effort with Iraq a top concern.
I suppose that to a press used to newsrooms that are upwards of 95% Democratic, an operation that's one-third Republican must seem rightward-tilting. What they fail to notice is that by their own admission, twice as many people there apparently do not support the president.
Interestingly, one of the so-called "operatives" had this to say:
Were he to get directly involved in the Bush campaign, Galen said he'd be far more effective working at an office in Virginia outside of Washington D.C. than from the Iraqi capital. "It's as inefficient a way to run a campaign as I can imagine," he said of being in Baghdad.
Exactly.
The funniest part of the article is it's claim that Center for American Progress is a "nonpartisan political think-tank in Washington". Yeah, right. That would make the Heritage Center a "nonpartisan political think-tank" also I guess.
the last few years have been called a "recession", yes.
That sort of thing happens.
Remember the Carter years?
and what about someone who suggested he was a lazy drug addict?
We don't know why he wasn't employed. You and others blame Dubya for the guy not having a job. I'll admit it. I'm thinking it's more his own fault than it is Dubya's.
the last few years have been called a "recession", yes.
We have had growth in the GDP since the 3rd quarter of 01, not a recession. The recession of which you speak was from the 1st quarter of 01 to the 3rd quarter of 01. There was also negative growth in the 3rd quarter of 00. It is not possible for President Bush to have started the recession before he was even in office.
"What they fail to notice is that by their own admission, twice as many people there apparently do not support the president. "
You can't say that. All it says is that they're civilians. They're just not GOP Party hacks.
"Still, Boorstin said the shaping of the American message out of Iraq should come as no surprise. The rigors of election year politics demand the best possible portrayal of key policies, and Bush has staked his presidency on the notion that he's a war president.
' "There's some deep questions about whether (the U.S. invasion) was a good idea. Wherever and whenever they can, Bush's political people are manipulating whatever they can," he said.'
OK. Fair enough. It's about what I'd expect.
"I suppose that to a press used to newsrooms that are upwards of 95% Democratic, an operation that's one-third Republican must seem rightward-tilting. "
I don't think you'll find many newsrooms where a third work for the Democratic Party. Political reporters, at least, wouldn't be allowed to volunteer. Most of the others probably have severe antipathy for both political parities.
"The U.S. team stands in deep contrast to the British team that works alongside it, almost all of whom are civil or foreign service employees, not political appointees. Many of the British in Iraq display regional knowledge or language skills that most of the Americans lack."
you people talk like they just happen to be registered Republicans, nothing more.
Senor, a former press secretary for Spencer Abraham, the Michigan Republican who's now Energy Secretary, heads the office packed with former Bush campaign workers, political appointees and ex-Capitol Hill staffers.
Weeks ago, Sen. Edward Kennedy proclaimed the war in Iraq "another Vietnam." Whether Kennedy's statement was a dispassionate assessment of the situation, or a trial balloon for the Democrats' big theme this election season, our most recent InsiderAdvantage survey indicates that most Americans are not yet persuaded that Kennedy is correct.
Bush wants John Negroponte to be ambassador to Iraq?
oh yea...that should help the situation...
will we never be rid of these Iran-Contra criminals?
The New York Times credits John Negroponte with "carrying out the covert strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista government in Nicaragua" during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 and 1985. He oversaw the growth of military aid to Honduras from $4 million to $77.4 million a year. In early 1984, two U.S. mercenaries, Thomas Posey and Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the Contra army after the U.S. Congress had banned governmental add. Documents show that Negroponte connected the two with a contact in the Honduran military. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the Reagan administration denied any U.S. government involvement, despite Negroponte’s contact earlier that year. Other documents uncovered a scheme of Negroponte and then-Vice President George Bush to funnel Contra aid money through the Honduran government.
In addition to his work with the Nicaraguan Contra army, Negroponte helped conceal from Congress the murder, kidnapping and torture abuses of a CIA-equipped and -trained Honduran military unit, Battalion 3-16. No mention of these human rights violations ever appeared in State Department Human Rights reports for Honduras. The Baltimore Sun reports that Efrain Diaz Arrivillaga, then a delegate in the Honduran Congress and a voice of dissent, told the Sun that he complained to Negroponte on numerous occasions about the Honduran military’s human rights abuses. Rick Chidester, a junior embassy official under Negroponte, reported to the Sun that he was forced to omit an exhaustive gathering of human rights violations from his 1982 State Department report. Sister Laetitia Bordes went on a fact-finding delegation to Honduras in May 1982 to investigate the whereabouts of 32 Salvadoran nuns and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Oscar Romero’s assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing, but in 1996, Negroponte’s predecessor Jack Binns reported that the women had been captured, tortured, and then crammed into helicopters from which they were tossed to their deaths.
According to the Los Angeles Times, shortly after Negroponte’s nomination was decided, the U.S. government revoked the visa of General Luis Alonso Discua Elvir, who was Honduras’ deputy ambassador to the UN. General Discua was the commander of the Battalion during Negroponte’s tenure as ambassador. He has publicly claimed to have information linking Negroponte with the battalion’s activities. His testimony would be invaluable in illuminating Negroponte’s collusion with Honduran opponents on Capitol Hill. In 1994, the Honduran Human Rights Commission charged Negroponte personally with several human rights abuses.
I don't think he needs to apologize. I think he will make sure the responsible people are taken care of. He's already denounced them and I have no doubt that they will be punished.
I disagree that it will take "years" to overcome this black eye. I think most realize that it's what it is. Some idiots doing something they shouldn't have done. It's the good cop bad cop scenario. There are more good than bad you just don't here about the good ones, the bad ones make news.
and if GDubbya does NOT grab ahold of this thing and apologize for the stupidity of those who did these things and those who should have stopped it, then he is without question, a FOOL.
Foolish is apologizing for something you had no part in.
I believe that whatever Generals were in command of the men who did these things, should be fired immediately, and so too should the Commanding General in charge of ALL of our troops, in IRAQ.
That's insanity. You think every general knows exactly what every single one of their soldiers is doing?
If he fails to do these things, then he truly is a Bad Leader
well, I'm sure that Iraq can rest easy when John Negroponte is installed as ambassador, what with his sterling record of...uh...supporting death squads and ignoring human rights abuses in Nicaragua and supporting the brutal military dictatorship of General Gustavo Alvarez MartÃÂnez in Honduras, increasing the Honduras budget for military aid from $4 million to $77.4 million a year. Iraq should have no problems...unless of course they elect Sandinistas or something.
Think about it, we just invaded a country to remove a "brutal military dictator" and now appoint an ambassador who's previous job includes supporting the installation of a brutal military dictator.
Perhaps the UN can oversee the distribution of food, in exchange for, um, well, you know.
Yes Crabs I'm sure now that they've selected Negroponte that in fact tomorrow a new brutal dictator will be installed and the mass graves will be re-filled.
he's dead...ask his wife.
It turns out that I am not acquainted with the lady.
So I'm not in a position to ask her anything.
CBS's Bob McNamara did
Good for him.
Funny how stories can change.
“He wanted to contribute in the war on terrorism, to do something for America after 9/11,” his neighbor David Strawbridge said. “He was too old to fight, though I believe he had it in him, so when the opportunity came to work as a defense contractor he jumped on it.” link
Isn't the family involved with the writing of the obituaries, especially the wife?
Newark area resident Arthur L. "Art" Linderman died Monday, January 26, 2004.
Mr. Linderman, 58, died from injuries sustained in the service of his country and the freed people of Iraq after he was ambushed by insurgents near Tikrit January 14, 2004.
Mr. Linderman was in Iraq as a defense contractor for Kellogg, Brown & Root, a division of the Halliburton Corporation, to assist in the rebuilding of the country's post-war infrastructure. A former marine who served in the Vietnam War, he had been eager and proud to once again support U.S. troops in their mission to bring freedom to an oppressed people... link
Grandpa Dan Zachary 4/3/04 9:23pm
Good job Dan :)
For a man who not only wanted to contribute what he could but was eager and proud of it also to be written off as a person who was simply looking for work says a lot about these people.
I would say that the man is more of a hero than either Dan Rather or his wife would give him credit for.
How sad.
oh yes....let's put in his obit that he took the job because he was having trouble getting a job.
and what about someone who suggested he was a lazy drug addict?
His wife said that too?
oh yes....let's put in his obit that he took the job because he was having trouble getting a job.
Nah, let's just make stuff up about him instead.
Here's an interesting read about an anti-war march in San Diego link
I thought that Spain was suppose to be so much safer now that they voted the way the terrorist wanted them to...
Fear of New Bomb Attacks Grows in Spain
Apr 3, 8:56 AM (ET)
By Estelle Shirbon
MADRID (Reuters) - High-speed trains to southern Spain began running again on Saturday after a bomb found on the line was defused but fears grew that Islamic extremists could strike again after the Madrid rail bombings.
The 12-kg (26-lb) bomb found on Friday on the high-speed line from Madrid to the southern city of Seville revived tension that was just beginning to subside after suspected al Qaeda-linked commuter train bombs killed 191 people on March 11...
Grandpa Dan Zachary 4/3/04 10:18pm
Just goes to show that you can't trust terrorists.
Love how crabs made a quick exit. Good job guys.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
Hereis an amazingly biased story from the AP. Among their claims is that Bush loyalist are packing an Iraqi press office. They go on to claim that:
I suppose that to a press used to newsrooms that are upwards of 95% Democratic, an operation that's one-third Republican must seem rightward-tilting. What they fail to notice is that by their own admission, twice as many people there apparently do not support the president.
Interestingly, one of the so-called "operatives" had this to say:
Exactly.
The funniest part of the article is it's claim that Center for American Progress is a "nonpartisan political think-tank in Washington". Yeah, right. That would make the Heritage Center a "nonpartisan political think-tank" also I guess.
the last few years have been called a "recession", yes.
That sort of thing happens.
Remember the Carter years?
and what about someone who suggested he was a lazy drug addict?
We don't know why he wasn't employed. You and others blame Dubya for the guy not having a job. I'll admit it. I'm thinking it's more his own fault than it is Dubya's.
the last few years have been called a "recession", yes.
We have had growth in the GDP since the 3rd quarter of 01, not a recession. The recession of which you speak was from the 1st quarter of 01 to the 3rd quarter of 01. There was also negative growth in the 3rd quarter of 00. It is not possible for President Bush to have started the recession before he was even in office.
Check for yourself here
"What they fail to notice is that by their own admission, twice as many people there apparently do not support the president. "
You can't say that. All it says is that they're civilians. They're just not GOP Party hacks.
"Still, Boorstin said the shaping of the American message out of Iraq should come as no surprise. The rigors of election year politics demand the best possible portrayal of key policies, and Bush has staked his presidency on the notion that he's a war president.
' "There's some deep questions about whether (the U.S. invasion) was a good idea. Wherever and whenever they can, Bush's political people are manipulating whatever they can," he said.'
OK. Fair enough. It's about what I'd expect.
"I suppose that to a press used to newsrooms that are upwards of 95% Democratic, an operation that's one-third Republican must seem rightward-tilting. "
I don't think you'll find many newsrooms where a third work for the Democratic Party. Political reporters, at least, wouldn't be allowed to volunteer. Most of the others probably have severe antipathy for both political parities.
It doesn’t look like the Brit’s press office is stacked with Labour Party cronies. That’s an interesting contrast.
"The U.S. team stands in deep contrast to the British team that works alongside it, almost all of whom are civil or foreign service employees, not political appointees. Many of the British in Iraq display regional knowledge or language skills that most of the Americans lack."
So who specifically is on the GOP payroll?
you people talk like they just happen to be registered Republicans, nothing more.
But they've set aside allegiances in order to objectively bring the news of events in Iraq to America. I'm sure.
And who, Dan in your 95 percent Democratic newsroom is on the Democrat's payroll?
God is not going to kill you, crabs.
did He tell you this Himself?
Here we go round and round.
Did God tell you he was going to kill you? Or is that just drug induced paranoia?
and this has what to do with the war in Iraq?
isn't it that Allah wants us dead the whole thing behind this terrorist deal?
So you would people expect an administration to staff itself and appoint people who are poilitcally opposed ?
the voice of political cronyism heard from.
using the press office of a country you just invaded to generate propaganda about it is what it is.
did Saddam hire his loyalists to run Iraq's media?
You're right Crabs, From now on any administration should be expected to hire people that disagree with them.
they already have appointed people who lied to Congress about covering up an illegal war, so why not?
Weeks ago, Sen. Edward Kennedy proclaimed the war in Iraq "another Vietnam." Whether Kennedy's statement was a dispassionate assessment of the situation, or a trial balloon for the Democrats' big theme this election season, our most recent InsiderAdvantage survey indicates that most Americans are not yet persuaded that Kennedy is correct.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/matttowery/mt20040427.shtml
Do you think Kennedy has considered that he may be undermining the military with such talk?
Of course not, the guys fighting there love that comparison. They all are in the Andy Rooney fan club too.
Let's see what fold has to say about Fat Head Ted's comments. I know. They were "tricked" into believing it would not be a Vietnam.
Rooney-Kennedy. Now that's a ticket vets would flock to. . .and THAT'S a fact!
Bush wants John Negroponte to be ambassador to Iraq?
oh yea...that should help the situation...
will we never be rid of these Iran-Contra criminals?
Iran-Contra #89. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
It's all on the same board, moron.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
One day you're calling for us to get out all together and the next a hasty retreat will turn it into another Vietnam.
Which is it?
Just wanted to see if the lies continued. You didn't disappoint. Thanks.
OK, what SHOULD the U.S., and Bush's administration, have done before 9/11?
This should be good.
I don't think he needs to apologize. I think he will make sure the responsible people are taken care of. He's already denounced them and I have no doubt that they will be punished.
I disagree that it will take "years" to overcome this black eye. I think most realize that it's what it is. Some idiots doing something they shouldn't have done. It's the good cop bad cop scenario. There are more good than bad you just don't here about the good ones, the bad ones make news.
and if GDubbya does NOT grab ahold of this thing and apologize for the stupidity of those who did these things and those who should have stopped it, then he is without question, a FOOL.
Foolish is apologizing for something you had no part in.
I believe that whatever Generals were in command of the men who did these things, should be fired immediately, and so too should the Commanding General in charge of ALL of our troops, in IRAQ.
That's insanity. You think every general knows exactly what every single one of their soldiers is doing?
If he fails to do these things, then he truly is a Bad Leader
You'll see Dubya as a bad leader no matter what.
Ted Rall takes a shot at Pat Tillman who's funeral happened to be today.............What a dink.
http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/
http://www.msnbc.com/comics/editorial_content.asp?sFile=tr040419
well, I'm sure that Iraq can rest easy when John Negroponte is installed as ambassador, what with his sterling record of...uh...supporting death squads and ignoring human rights abuses in Nicaragua and supporting the brutal military dictatorship of General Gustavo Alvarez MartÃÂnez in Honduras, increasing the Honduras budget for military aid from $4 million to $77.4 million a year. Iraq should have no problems...unless of course they elect Sandinistas or something.
Think about it, we just invaded a country to remove a "brutal military dictator" and now appoint an ambassador who's previous job includes supporting the installation of a brutal military dictator.
Perhaps the UN can oversee the distribution of food, in exchange for, um, well, you know.
Yes Crabs I'm sure now that they've selected Negroponte that in fact tomorrow a new brutal dictator will be installed and the mass graves will be re-filled.