Ronald and Nancy Reagan have a long history of involvement with astrologers and psychics. As movie stars in 1950s Hollywood, they were close friends with celebrity astrologer Carroll Righter, and became a fixture at his glamourous monthly "zodiac parties." Later they met the late psychic Jeane Dixon, who served as Nancy's personal advisor for years. Nancy was always more enthusiastic about such paranormal matters than her husband, but Ron never shied away from them. Even as governor and as president, he happily made public his enjoyment of newspaper horoscopes, his many superstitions, and his avid interest in the occult.
In the 1970s, Reagan began to entertain notions of running for the presidency. By many accounts, Nancy became obsessed with the idea, and may have even wanted the White House more than Ron did. To help pave the way to Washington, she turned to her psychic friends. Around this time Nancy had a falling out with Jeane Dixon, losing all faith in the psychic's abilities. The most likely source of this estrangement was Dixon's prediction that Reagan did not have a chance of being elected president in 1976. Nancy went shopping for a new supernatural consultant who might tell her what she wanted to hear.
Nancy's friend Merv Griffin told her about an astrologer he'd had on his talk show named Joan Quigley. Griffin judged her abilities most impressive, and he arranged a brief meeting between the two during Reagan's campaign for the 1976 Republican nomination. At this meeting, Quigley concurred with Jeane Dixon's forecast that this was not to be Ron's year. In the pages of her memoirs, My Turn, Nancy claimed she does not remember meeting Quigley in person until 1985. Perhaps the content of Quigley's prediction had something to do with its lack of memorability.
As Reagan was mounting another campaign in 1980, Quigley contacted Nancy again, this time certain Ron would capture the Oval Office. They discussed "good" and "bad" times indicated by Reagan's astrology chart, and a few of Quigley's scheduling suggestions were carried out. Whether by the auguring of the heavens or not, Reagan went on to crush Jimmy Carter and whisked Nancy into the White House at last.
I'll trust you to tell me what I need to know about the Reagans and their consorting with soothsayers.
I can tell you I have read Nancy's autobiography, Don Regan's book, Edmund Morris's biography and a couple of Lou Cannon's books on Reagan. As far as I can see Ronald Reagan considered astrologers to be simply entertainers. I have not read God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life by Paul Kengor. I do have a copy and I'll let you know if it says anything different. Of course, I know you don't give a damn about the truth.
Enlighten me, jethro. Maybe you could start by telling their respective zodiac signs. I could tell you Ronald Reagan's because my wife and he have the same birthday. Before anyone makes any dumb comments-no they weren't born the same year!
And occasionally a de facto handler of his daily schedule.
And as I said, sometimes you have to humor the wife. Second, it was harmless. Has anyone tried to assassinate you, Rick? I mean Nancy went through that once and if Ronald could ease her mind, what is the big deal?
Students from Bradley University's Newman Center say they want to raise awareness about the number of abortions performed daily. They've put up 4000 crosses in the quad on campus.
A group of pro-choice students say the display is offensive.
It's a big, aggressive gesture. They want to get their opinions in your face.
Aggressive?
You don't think the whole activist anti-abortion is about browbeating and intimidation?
No I don't think that is the case. There are those that use some of those tactics. But then when human life is being snuffed out it can be a reasonable tactic.
Dozens of people lining up in front of clinics and screaming at young women? Young women that are going in to have their children dismembered. Weight the screaming against dismemberment. No doubt on which side you find the biggest burden.
Pro lifers are mad at abortion providers because the providers are killing children. The providers are mad at pro lifers because they inhibit their ability to make a buck. I know what side of that I come down on.
I might be wrong, but I don't think an abortion doctor would have to look too far in the medical industry to find an easier way to make a living. Probably a more lucrative one, too.
A hunch tells me they're not at the high end of the pay scale.
don't think an abortion doctor would have to look too far in the medical industry to find an easier way to make a living. Probably a more lucrative one, too.
so, those that have experienced the paranormal can say that Ghosts exist and God doesn't and have it be right?
Well if they are like you, crabs, and are doped up, you can't believe anything.
Those who have experienced an alien encounter are right and not those who say we are the only intelligent life in the universe that God made? I don't know who says this. Are you making things up again? It could be the dope talking, you know
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." - Genesis 1:29-31
and bodine said....let's make God's good creation illegal and prevent it's use.
Gen.3 [1] Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, `You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?"
[2] And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden;
[3] but God said, `You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
[4] But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die.
I think one could safely insert crabs in place of seprent in the above.
 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. _ Genesis 2:16-17
so, bodine now thinks that cannibis is the tree of knowledge.
Evidently the Reagans would probably say I could learn more from reading my horoscope.
Again you don't know what you are talking about. Read the book.
Nancy's Star-Crossed Secret
Ronald and Nancy Reagan have a long history of involvement with astrologers and psychics. As movie stars in 1950s Hollywood, they were close friends with celebrity astrologer Carroll Righter, and became a fixture at his glamourous monthly "zodiac parties." Later they met the late psychic Jeane Dixon, who served as Nancy's personal advisor for years. Nancy was always more enthusiastic about such paranormal matters than her husband, but Ron never shied away from them. Even as governor and as president, he happily made public his enjoyment of newspaper horoscopes, his many superstitions, and his avid interest in the occult.
In the 1970s, Reagan began to entertain notions of running for the presidency. By many accounts, Nancy became obsessed with the idea, and may have even wanted the White House more than Ron did. To help pave the way to Washington, she turned to her psychic friends. Around this time Nancy had a falling out with Jeane Dixon, losing all faith in the psychic's abilities. The most likely source of this estrangement was Dixon's prediction that Reagan did not have a chance of being elected president in 1976. Nancy went shopping for a new supernatural consultant who might tell her what she wanted to hear.
Nancy's friend Merv Griffin told her about an astrologer he'd had on his talk show named Joan Quigley. Griffin judged her abilities most impressive, and he arranged a brief meeting between the two during Reagan's campaign for the 1976 Republican nomination. At this meeting, Quigley concurred with Jeane Dixon's forecast that this was not to be Ron's year. In the pages of her memoirs, My Turn, Nancy claimed she does not remember meeting Quigley in person until 1985. Perhaps the content of Quigley's prediction had something to do with its lack of memorability.
As Reagan was mounting another campaign in 1980, Quigley contacted Nancy again, this time certain Ron would capture the Oval Office. They discussed "good" and "bad" times indicated by Reagan's astrology chart, and a few of Quigley's scheduling suggestions were carried out. Whether by the auguring of the heavens or not, Reagan went on to crush Jimmy Carter and whisked Nancy into the White House at last.
parascope.com
Cuckoo, Cuckoo, Cuckoo...
"Again you don't know what you are talking about. "
I'll trust you to tell me what I need to know about the Reagans and their consorting with soothsayers.
Enlighten me, jethro. Maybe you could start by telling their respective zodiac signs.
it's a fact that she used astrology.
it's funny that this fact gets her onto a site like parascope...but it's still a fact.
americanpresident.org/history
I'll trust you to tell me what I need to know about the Reagans and their consorting with soothsayers.
I can tell you I have read Nancy's autobiography, Don Regan's book, Edmund Morris's biography and a couple of Lou Cannon's books on Reagan. As far as I can see Ronald Reagan considered astrologers to be simply entertainers. I have not read God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life by Paul Kengor. I do have a copy and I'll let you know if it says anything different. Of course, I know you don't give a damn about the truth.
Enlighten me, jethro. Maybe you could start by telling their respective zodiac signs. I could tell you Ronald Reagan's because my wife and he have the same birthday. Before anyone makes any dumb comments-no they weren't born the same year!
Her own dependence on astrology, and her insistence that the President's schedule accord with astrological predictions, made her look somewhat silly.
You should be able to relate, crabs.
"As far as I can see Ronald Reagan considered astrologers to be simply entertainers."
And occasionally a de facto handler of his daily schedule.
But, I suppose that's the little woman's fault.
And occasionally a de facto handler of his daily schedule.
And as I said, sometimes you have to humor the wife. Second, it was harmless. Has anyone tried to assassinate you, Rick? I mean Nancy went through that once and if Ronald could ease her mind, what is the big deal?
he couldn't have just said "no"?
or didn't he recall?
he couldn't have just said "no"?
Since he generally let the staff set his schedule, Reagan didn't have to worry about it. At least that is how Mike Deaver described it.
"Since he generally let the staff set his schedule..."
Probably a group of professionals who resented having to clear it through Nancy and an the Court Astrologer.
so it's not a "just say no"....it's an "I don't recall"
got it.
got it.
You don't have it. But you should.
it's a fact that she used astrology.
And I agree that's just as cuckoo.
how do you know it's any less valid than your own belief in a spirit in the sky?
how do you know it's any less valid than your own belief in a spirit in the sky?
Because I do.
It's something you'll never understand, Crabby.
But continue to mock me and other Christians if it makes you feel better.
well...an explanation beyong "just because" might help.
you mean call you a "cuckoo", that sort of thing?
Goodnight Crabby.
Sleep tight.
don't forget to say your prayers
I always do, Crabby.
:-)
well...an explanation beyong "just because" might help.
One can't explain the Holy Spirit, crabs.
Students from Bradley University's Newman Center say they want to raise awareness about the number of abortions performed daily. They've put up 4000 crosses in the quad on campus.
A group of pro-choice students say the display is offensive.
http://week.com/morenews/morenews-read.asp?id=4153
crosses are offensive but abortion is not?
Instead of offensive, how about intimidating? I've found the anti-abortion movement to be among the most intimidating of the Activist Class.
And why co-opt a Christian symbol? If this is their way to protest abortion, there are probably abortions by women in many religions.
Why's that intimidating?
It's a big, aggressive gesture. They want to get their opinions in your face.
You don't think the whole activist anti-abortion is about browbeating and intimidation?
Dozens of people lining up in front of clinics and screaming at young women?
It's a big, aggressive gesture.
Big, yes. Agressive, I disagree.
They want to get their opinions in your face.
Yes, they want it to be noticed that thousands of abortions are happening everyday.
The thing is Rick, to some of us it isn't conveniently put in terms of "tissue" and "medical procedure".
actually, Rick...Christians have abortions in roughly the same percentage as everyone else.
one can't say it's any more valid than astrology or Budda or Zeus or the Sun God or lady luck ghosts or the tooth fairy then.
what makes your unexplainable belief any more valid than anyone elses?
Instead of offensive, how about intimidating?
The cross is only intimidating if you are going to be put up on it.
I've found the anti-abortion movement to be among the most intimidating of the Activist Class.
Saving lives is a very serious endeavor. Taking lives, however, doesn't seem to be.
"Saving lives is a very serious endeavor."
All I know is you won't catch me messing with them. I'll give them a wide berth.
It's a big, aggressive gesture. They want to get their opinions in your face.
Aggressive?
You don't think the whole activist anti-abortion is about browbeating and intimidation?
No I don't think that is the case. There are those that use some of those tactics. But then when human life is being snuffed out it can be a reasonable tactic.
Dozens of people lining up in front of clinics and screaming at young women? Young women that are going in to have their children dismembered. Weight the screaming against dismemberment. No doubt on which side you find the biggest burden.
One can't explain the Holy Spirit, crabs.
one can't say it's any more valid than astrology or Budda or Zeus or the Sun God or lady luck ghosts or the tooth fairy then.
One can if one has experienced it.
All I know is you won't catch me messing with them. I'll give them a wide berth.
Maybe you should join them in their activity.
Those people are spooky.
Those people are spooky.
abortion providers are spooky.
They're all spooky. And really mad at each other.
Triple-8 Joe.
They're all spooky. And really mad at each other.
Pro lifers are mad at abortion providers because the providers are killing children. The providers are mad at pro lifers because they inhibit their ability to make a buck. I know what side of that I come down on.
I might be wrong, but I don't think an abortion doctor would have to look too far in the medical industry to find an easier way to make a living. Probably a more lucrative one, too.
A hunch tells me they're not at the high end of the pay scale.
don't think an abortion doctor would have to look too far in the medical industry to find an easier way to make a living. Probably a more lucrative one, too.
Then why don't they?
Gotta ask them. But don't pitch you voice at high decibels. I'm sure they hear plenty of that.
You'd probably get as many different reasons as there are abortion doctors.
so, those that have experienced the paranormal can say that Ghosts exist and God doesn't and have it be right?
Those who have experienced an alien encounter are right and not those who say we are the only intelligent life in the universe that God made?
so, those that have experienced the paranormal can say that Ghosts exist and God doesn't and have it be right?
Well if they are like you, crabs, and are doped up, you can't believe anything.
Those who have experienced an alien encounter are right and not those who say we are the only intelligent life in the universe that God made? I don't know who says this. Are you making things up again? It could be the dope talking, you know
you aren't going to address the question, are you bodine?
you instead will just make comments about drug use.
got it.
God created it all, crabs. He even created the ability for you to hallucinate.
poof...it's magic!
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." - Genesis 1:29-31
and bodine said....let's make God's good creation illegal and prevent it's use.
Gen.3 [1] Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, `You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?"
[2] And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden;
[3] but God said, `You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
[4] But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die.
I think one could safely insert crabs in place of seprent in the above.
 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. _ Genesis 2:16-17
so, bodine now thinks that cannibis is the tree of knowledge.
face it bodine...you are in favor of outlawing one of God's good creations.