Under recently adopted guidelines in the state, the unborn child of a pregnant illegal immigrant can be considered an American citizen even before birth, and thus qualifies the mother for government-paid prenatal care.
Hello everyone. Interesting discussion going on here lately.
Here is an article you may find of interest.
Why abortion-on-demand is on the way out Marvin Olasky (archive) May 6, 2004
Last week's big pro-abort march in Washington set off alarm bells in pro-life quarters: After several years of pro-life gains, is the culture swinging left again? No need to worry, for five reasons, with the most important reason last.
Why abortion-on-demand is on the way out Marvin Olasky (archive)
would the "people" have voted for Plessy v. Ferguson or Brown v. Board of Education?
The people put in the 14th Amendment. Plessy was theoretically sound. Theoretically separate can be equal, but in practice it wasn't. That was recognized and the clear intent of the 14th Amendment was then implemented through Brown.
you didn't actually think that I believe allowing you to pro-create is immoral, do you? You really can't see yourself in a statement like that? Because that's what it was, an imitation of you.
that you saw an imitation of you as something facist is quite telling.
I wasn't lying...I was mimicking you. Again you lie.
you didn't actually think that I believe allowing you to pro-create is immoral, do you? I do not know what a drug stunted brain might belive.You really can't see yourself in a statement like that? Because that's what it was, an imitation of you. Again, you lie.
If you seriously believe that dismembering children is not immoral then I am finished with you. Of course, I'll still be happy to personally attack you. It is good to vent.
they aren't dismembering children, you still fail to grasp this
If you weren't so damn stupid you would understand. Do you even have a grasp of what Roe v. Wade did? My guess is you are to stupid to understand.
again with the insults, it's a wonder you haven't realized why no one takes you seriously
Anyone that thinks it is fine to dismember children whole existence is fallacious
buy a dictionary and look up fallacious. it doesn't mean what you think it does
It has to do with morality. The likes of Demon don't understand that.
it does if your moral doctorine says it is immoral. Mine does not. Which is yours? you still haven't answered that question
Seems to me the charge of judicial activism is dependent on whose ox is being gored.
Rule the way I want, you're a sound defender of the consititution. Rule against me, you're an activist judge, outta control.
How can a judge be an activist? He or she is ruling on cases that are placed on the docket and put before them.
would the "people" have voted for Plessy v. Ferguson or Brown v. Board of Education?
Rick is good people
"I'm just trying to get by / being quiet and shy / In a world full of pushing and shove."--- Jimmy Buffett
Arkansas Debate Focuses on Pregnant Illegals
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119144,00.html
Under recently adopted guidelines in the state, the unborn child of a pregnant illegal immigrant can be considered an American citizen even before birth, and thus qualifies the mother for government-paid prenatal care.
and if she goes back home and has the kid, it is a natural citizen of two countries?
sorta make the whole "where are you from?" question interesting.
of course, "where are you from?" isn't exactly the same as the more precise "where were you born?",is it?
coouldn't help but notice that it said it was the mother
who qualified for the health care.
Hello everyone. Interesting discussion going on here lately.
Here is an article you may find of interest.
Why abortion-on-demand is on the way out
Marvin Olasky (archive)
May 6, 2004
Last week's big pro-abort march in Washington set off alarm bells in pro-life quarters: After several years of pro-life gains, is the culture swinging left again? No need to worry, for five reasons, with the most important reason last.
Why abortion-on-demand is on the way out
Marvin Olasky (archive)
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/mo20040506.shtml
Again there is nothing to debate. You want to promote immorality go right ahead. Don't be surprised that you are called on it.
would the "people" have voted for Plessy v. Ferguson or Brown v. Board of Education?
The people put in the 14th Amendment. Plessy was theoretically sound. Theoretically separate can be equal, but in practice it wasn't. That was recognized and the clear intent of the 14th Amendment was then implemented through Brown.
It is immoral for everyone.
no, morality is not absolute
Again there is nothing to debate. You want to promote immorality go right ahead. Don't be surprised that you are called on it.
yes there is. That's why it's called the Abortion debate. Once again, it's not immoral
There is nothing rational about abortion.
yes, there is, your narrowminded views do not allow you to see it that way
There is nothing in the Constitution about abortion. Of course you kind will always fall back on the lie that there is.
Yes, you're actually right about something. But if it isn't addressed in the Supreme Law of the Land, why make someone else's business, your business?
Because he imposes his view instead of ruling on the statutes and the Constitution
didn't you just say there is nothng in the constitution about abortion? Why are you constantly referring to it? Red Herring
I wasn't lying...I was mimicking you.
you didn't actually think that I believe allowing you to pro-create is immoral, do you? You really can't see yourself in a statement like that? Because that's what it was, an imitation of you.
that you saw an imitation of you as something facist is quite telling.
There is nothing to debate. It is immoral. You can debate whether society will allow the immorality but that is all.
were all Eskimos "immoral"?
one could just as easily say that all war is immoral and have just as much justification to say it.
You and your support of war is less moral than what a woman decides to do with her fetus.
I wasn't lying...I was mimicking you. Again you lie.
you didn't actually think that I believe allowing you to pro-create is immoral, do you? I do not know what a drug stunted brain might belive.You really can't see yourself in a statement like that? Because that's what it was, an imitation of you. Again, you lie.
one could just as easily say that all war is immoral and have just as much justification to say it.
Not anyone without drug diminished mental abilities.
well, technically, since you lie and I was mimicking you, then yea...I guess so.
now who's lying?
plenty of straight-edge people think war is immoral.
Yes it is. Only the immoral don't know it or won't admit it.
which of the big three( or four) moral theories do you ascribe to?
There is nothing to debate. It is immoral. You can debate whether society will allow the immorality but that is all.
no, it is not immoral, you have done nothing to prove its immorality
What is narrow minded is that you are hell bent on allowing the killing of children to continue with societal sanction.
they aren't children, yet
Another example of your lack of intelligence. See Amendment X, smart guy.
Amendment 10 says there is no abortion allowed? Stop referring to it, it proves nothing in your STILL flawed debate
You and your support of war is less moral than what a woman decides to do with her fetus.
he supports the killing of fully grown adults, yet fights a medical procedure?
got hypocrisy?
I do not know what a drug stunted brain might belive.
ad hominem fallacy, come up with a different line of reasoning outside of pathetic insults
he supports the killing of fully grown adults, yet fights a medical procedure?
got hypocrisy?
oh but his argument is that executions are ok because the criminals sentenced to death deserve it.
well, technically, since you lie and I was mimicking you, then yea...I guess so.
It was fun, crabs, but not anymore. You simply are a waste of even entertainment time.
Not anyone without drug diminished mental abilities.
now who's lying?
Not me. Your diminished capabilities probably aren't apparent to your diminished abilities.
Yes they are.
oh but his argument is that executions are ok because the criminals sentenced to death deserve it.
It has to do with morality. The likes of Demon don't understand that.
If you seriously believe that dismembering children is not immoral then I am finished with you. Of course, I'll still be happy to personally attack you. It is good to vent.
they aren't dismembering children, you still fail to grasp this
If you weren't so damn stupid you would understand. Do you even have a grasp of what Roe v. Wade did? My guess is you are to stupid to understand.
again with the insults, it's a wonder you haven't realized why no one takes you seriously
Anyone that thinks it is fine to dismember children whole existence is fallacious
buy a dictionary and look up fallacious. it doesn't mean what you think it does
It has to do with morality. The likes of Demon don't understand that.
it does if your moral doctorine says it is immoral. Mine does not. Which is yours? you still haven't answered that question
It doesn't matter. You won't change your evil ways by anything I write here.
I know what you say. The truth is the truth despite your denial.
no, that isn't the truth
It doesn't matter. You won't change your evil ways by anything I write here
maybe if you were to respond with an intelligent argument you might. But all you can do is say evil, immoral, what have you
Yeah it does.
no it doesn't. Fallacious means you are conducting a fallacy in your reasoning.
Abortion cannot be fallacious, nor the dismembering of children. The reasoning for it can be, if you can prove it logically
Don't kid yourself, you don't have any morals.
I abide by the utilitarian doctorine, which makes abortion permissable in certain circumstances.
From what I can tell, you are an absolutist, until you tell me otherwise, I will treat you as one
It has to do with morality. The likes of Demon don't understand that.
my opinion is that the death penalty is immoral. what's your point?
well, it certainly is a penalty, I mean, it's not a fuckin' gift.
depends on your perspective
it lowers all perspectives
or raises them
it raises nothing
I'm one who thinks perspectives cannot be raised nor lowered. If they are, what's the benchmark?
are you sitting on the bench or not?
are you referring to judging the person or judging the death penalty?
I'm not talking about judging.
I'm talking about a group of people killing someone.
then what does sitting on the bench refer to?
Pardon me, but I'm not quite sure what you are referring to
perspective.
Well, like I said, I think people have differing perspectives, not better or worse perspectives
Differing persepctives is not the same as higher or lower
that would depend entirely on...you know...the perspective.
the only way to determine "high or low" is with a different perspective.
When you say high or low, I'm assuming you mean one perspective is morally higher than the other, am I correct in this assumption?
Jethro thinks you all have higher perspectives, as in you're all high when telling your perspective.
nothing worng with that
choosing to kill someone lowers everyone's perspective.
you want to call it lower morality, so be it.
What if it's a mere "Medical Procedure".
Like sawing off your head?
Or chopping your limbs off?
Or chopping your limbs off?
if I want to saw off my head or chop off my arm, it's not a question of your morality or mine.
you want to call it lower morality, so be it.
ok, mere semantics
still waiting for bodine to grace us with his holier-than-thou definition of what exactly this one true morality is.