You can all vote for whomever you want, but if you are a Veteran, and you go to rally's, with signs and attitudes and name-calling, then you are doing a great dis-service to ALL Veterans, and playing right into the hands of the sons-a-bitches who want nothing less than a nation WITHOUT a VA System. In fact, you are no better than the bastards who called Vietnam Vets BABY KILLERS when they returned home from that insanity.
As we all settle into our patio chairs for a sumptuous barbecue feast, or as we cancel tee times here in Atlanta because of the weather it's a good time to take stock of our current situation. First of all, if you know any veterans, you should thank them. Were it not for their service, the world today might be ruled by communism or the Nazis. Not to mention the fascist Islamic terrorist fanatics like Al-Qaeda that want to turn every country in the world into a theocracy. Just something to think about.
Now .. having said that about veterans. This is Memorial Day. We have lost over 800 men and women in Afghanistan and Iraq in our war against Islamic terrorism. If you know family members or friends of any of these men or women ... they're owed a special thanks today for the sacrifice they have made.
I used to think this saying was a bit trite. "Freedom is not free." I know better now. I know better because I've seen and read of the sacrifices being made in the Middle East, and I talked to servicemen who, once they've spent a few weeks at home with their families, are eager to head right back over there to finish the job. Right now there are troops all over the world fighting the war on terror. In a weekend where the World War II Memorial was dedicated to the greatest generation, let's not forget about these soldiers fighting World War IV. Like it or not, the world is governed by the overwhelming use of force, and we wouldn't enjoy the freedom we have today if we didn't have a military that was ready to defend it.
So if you know a family member or friend of someone who has given their all in service to their country, try to thank them for their sacrifice. And if you are such a family member, my thanks to you.
The Chairman: The congress cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advice the President. We have to persuade the President of the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain ways in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.
But Congress has no capacity under our system to go out and negotiate a cease-fire. We have to persuade the Executive to do this for the country.
Extraordinary Response Demanded by Extraordinary Question Mr. Kerry: Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrell programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)
And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey.
I understand. I really am aware that there are a tremendous number of difficulties in trying to persuade the Executive to move at this time. I believe they are committed. I don't believe we can. But I hope that we are not going to have to wait until 1972 to have this decision made. And what I am suggesting is that I think this is an extraordinary enough question so that it demands an extraordinary response, and if we can't respond extraordinarily to this problem then I doubt very seriously as men on each that we will be able to respond to the other serious question which face us. I think we have to start to consider that. This is what I am trying to say.
If this body could perhaps call for a referendum in the country or if we could perhaps move now for a vote in 3 weeks, I think the people of this country would rise up and back that. I am not saying a vote nationwide. I am talking about a vote here in Congress to cut off the funds, and a vote to perhaps pass a resolution calling on the Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of the war and to do the things that uphold those things which we pretend to be. That is what we are asking. I don't think we can turn our back on that any longer, Senator.
The Chairman: Senator Symington?
WITNESS SERVICE DECORATIONS Senator Symington: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Kerry, please move your microphone. You have a Silver Star; have you not?
Mr. Kerry: Yes, I do.
Senator Symington: And a Purple Heart?
Mr. Kerry: Yes, I do.
Senator Symington: How many clusters?
Mr. Kerry: Two clusters.
Senator Symington: So you have been wounded three times.
Mr. Kerry: Yes, sir.
Senator Symington: I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.
In fact, that IS how the war ended. The Congress DID cut-off funding for the war, and that not only prevented any further escalation, it also stopped the bombings, and ended a 10 year debacle.
The testimony given by these Veterans will shock you, and it may even convince you, that Vietnam was a national-nightmare of tremendous proportions, that literally tore us apart and destroyed the morale of an entire generation.
THIS, is what John Kery tried to communicate then, and an action by these men which he must now try to defend from accustions that he is a traitor, even unto this day.
None of you were there...most likely, and if any of you were, then you must have forgotten.
This testimony, will refresh your memories. Kerry, was telling the TRUTH.
C'mon all you raping murderous Genghis Kahn's, support Kerry. Bring your medals to todays rally for the medal toss competition. See if you can get your medal to flip flop into the ketchup bottle and win a prize. An autographed picture from the front of John Kerry''s book mocking Iwo Jima with the flag upside down. Waffles will be served afterward.
Fold complains about not being able to afford gas for his truck yet complains AGAIN when there's any talk of OPEC lowering prices. Nothing to with the WORLD economy of course. All for Bush's re-election ya know. Too funny.
If Iraq has the cheapest gas, why isn't it in our pumps? Afterall, that's what we're over there for. Right liberals?
Because you have been taken-in by the Rash-Lymphnodes of our time, and you believe that everything is OK, and that those who oppose GDubbya-are TRAITORS to the War in IRAQ (NOT The WOT) and TRAITORS to America.
Not at all, Please stop putting your thoughts into mine. I don't listen to Rush I don't beleive everything is o.k and I don't beleive people who oppose Bush are traitors K?
But to me, it is no diferent than calling the man a TRAITOR, which he never was, and which he certainly ISN'T. I still find it amazing that you have such a fever about Kerry's medals, yet you support a man that used his pappy to get OUT of going to that war, and has allowed those around him to use him for their global-aspirations, and using God Himself, to excuse that behavior.
You rail on Bush for his national guard gig. Yet voted for Clinton who headed to England, so it shouldn't be an issue with you but I've heard you complain about his guard service for the last year.
I don't think GDubbya is a GOOD President, I think he has allowed the Neo's around him to influence him WAY too much and he is searching high and low for ANY way to extricate himself from the mistakes and misfortunes of the war in IRAQ, so he uses his fortunes to put out ads calling Kerry's service into question, and divide the nation's Veterans in the process. I won't allow him to use me like that, and I WILL yell about it, thank you.
And Kerry isn't using vets when convienent ? 30 years ago-----Murderous thugs........................today........Band of brothers.
When will WE reap the benefits of ousting Saddman Hussein?
First of all there's that little old Lybia thing. Secondly Bill, Gas is cheap in Iraq because they're getting it at the tap. Had Bush started pumping oil into the Texaco trucks I can only imagine the outcry.
The FACT is, that MOST returning Veterans in 1969-73, were AGAINST THE WAR, and many, many of them, Marched On Washington, and Marched in Cities ALL ACROSS America. Morale was SHIT, we were hated and mocked by little Chimps like Torpedo, and anybody that was FOR that war, was NOT talking about it publicly anymore, because they new it was a LOST CAUSE and a MISTAKE of HUGE proportions. THAT, is what drove Kerry to go to Washington and stand-up AGAINST The War in 1971 when he was 22 and angry, I might add?
Protesting is fine, calling the men you served with murderous thugs isn't. Simple. Kerry of all people ought to have known better. It was one thing to have some college kid callign a soldier a baby killer which was bad, it was quite another to have someone who was there saying the same thing and giving p.r to the soldier spitting crowd.
He's also making his service a centerpiece of his campaign so it's fair to look at the whole picture. He was 22 when he served and 22 when he cast veterans and men still in the field as thugs.
When you returned did you come home and testify to congress that everyone there was a murdering torturing rapist thug? most vets didn't, even the ones who wanted us out of there.
Did you go to Paris like he did for peace talks with the communists ?
What you fail to see is that many of the vets who didn't agree with the war YES protested, but they didn't cast all of thier fellow soldiers as murderous thugs. THAT is the difference Bill. You accuse me of being blinded by Rush. Perhaps your blinded by party ideology. Had Bush said those things I doubt I could ever support the man. I still wouldn't vote for Kerry so I don't know what I'd do. You get upset when people make derrogatory comments about vets but it's o.k now because Kerry's your guy.
Many protested and were angry. Most simply protested, marched, etc. Kerry crossed a line that not many others didn't. Many other vets wether they served in Nam or not will never find that acceptable. I certainly never will and I would never vote for someone who did such things.
150 other Veterans, claiming the same exact things, under oath.
But KERRY, is THE Traitor. Only because he runs against Dubbya.
Bill, I don't know if you know this but the "winter soldier investigation" was proven to be alot of show. Many who talked about attrocities didn't even serve or weren't in theater.
I don't know who the other ones are, if they run for president ever I'd take the same issue with them.
BTW going to Paris to talk to the communists wasn't exactly a smooth move.
Hmmmmmmm.... Well then I guess Henry Kissinger was a dope.
Much like The Bible, you see things as you want to see them. BUT, MOST of the 150 WERE telling the truth and in fact, there are probably tens of thousands MORE who will tell the same story, because it happened.
Lastly, Kerry is making his service record a "Centerpiece" of his campaign, because it has been called into question by the other-side, and used AGAINST him, mainly because he stood up and told the HONEST truth in front of Congress, in 1971.
And please don't give me that tired and dishonest "Accused the men he served with"shit. IF you could prove that anything he said was a LIE, then you might have an argument. Until then, (which means never), just keep carrying the party-line. (He spoke of the tens of thousdands of men who DID commit the attrocities that are now Historical-Fact, like it or not...Not his "own men".)
Hmmmmmmm.... Well then I guess Henry Kissinger was a dope.
He might have been but he was the one appointed to speak to the North, Not Kerry. It's against the law BTW. That's o.k though.
Much like The Bible, you see things as you want to see them. BUT, MOST of the 150 WERE telling the truth
Really? Even the ones who were never there or served ?
And please don't give me that tired and dishonest "Accused the men he served with" shit. IF you could prove that anything he said was a LIE, then you might have an argument. Until then, (which means never), just keep carrying the party-line.
Perhaps Kerry could offer some better proof than bogus testimony of people who weren't even there. Oh yea Bill, I'm the one totin the party line. If Bush had said what he did I wouldn't vote for him period. The facts are the facts. He said we murdered 200,000 Vietnamese a year. Acted like Gehngis Kahn. etc.
Tell me do you have proof it's ten's of thousands of men comitting attrocities ?
The fact is there's men who served dirictly with him that never saw what he testified to. So all those guys must be lying huh? So if they are lying then not only did Kerry break the law by meeting with the communists, he's also a war criminal too.
By the way... 'CCO did a story the other night on "Truth" in the political ads? GDubbya's ads were ALL found to be misleading and 0utright lies and distortions(as most informed people know anyway). ALL of them.
Did they mention Kerry's adds? Like the June 3 one in which he tells a small gathering that 43 million don't have health care. Truth is that they may lack insurance, but they still have access to health care in hospital emergency rooms and clinics. Kerry's own plan would not make insurance a right as he claims, but would still leave 16 million Americans without coverage and would cost about $653 billion over 10 years.
How about the one where he invents a new "misery index"? The old one makes things look better than it's been in most years since World War II. In fact, it's less than half the miserable level reached in 1980, the last year of the Carter administration, and better than in any of Clinton's first four years.
Or how about the Kerry ad that has Bush saying that sending jobs overseas "makes sense"? But Bush didn't say that. The quote is actually from Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. The Kerry campaign claims Bush signed the report containing those words, but that's wrong, too.
Perhaps they showed the Kerry campaign Feb. 27 add e-mailed to supporters, asking them to pass it on to friends. The ad accuses Bush of breaking his word. But the Kerry ad itself falsely implies that Bush has cut off health benefits for 200,000 veterans, and overstates the number of jobs lost under Bush.
The list goes on. I can show you more if you wish.
one of them called me and my son "Traitors". Thanks, LUV.
Bill, was it me who said it ? Jeez. For the record I think that kind of crap is out of place and think it's juvenille, if they want to have thier Kerry rally leave em' alone. I disagree strongly with what Kerry did when he got back in fact I think it was horrible and unnaccepptable , I'm not alone in that feeling so it's not just me, plenty of vets do obviously, some don't, that's fine. So as angry as you were at the guy who said it perhaps now you understand How some feel about Kerry's words when he castigated them, but I guess that's different.But good God because some asshole said something stupid to you it's my fault? Get real will you.
good for the kids who didn't get killed in Nam in the late 70's too
Yea like the 75,000 killed by those peace loving folks from the North after we left, and the 2 million or so Pol Pot was able to kill next door in Cambodia. Yea trying to stop the communists was a bad idea, what good folks.
They were ALL at his rally last week, and they ALL stood up for the man. 11 Guys, that served with him on 2 Gunboats.
Well here's 11 guys who served DIRECTLY with Kerry who don't want their pics used in his campaign ads.
Stop using our faces in your campaign material, eleven Swift Boat veterans have told Sen. John F. Kerry. The veterans are all from the unit in which Sen. John Kerry served.
In their letter to the Kerry Campaign, the Swift Boat veterans warned of legal action, unless "the blatant abuse of their images by the Kerry Campaign cease immediately."
The photograph in question was taken in January 1969. It has appeared in the March 8 Newsweek issue and in a Kerry campaign ad.
The veterans said they have sent earlier letters to Kerry headquarters, alerting Kerry staffers about their concerns with his use of the photograph.
"The signers of today's letter object to the use of their photographs in conjunction with the Kerry campaign because they believe that not only is Kerry unfit to serve as the commander-in-chief of the United States, but by using their images, the campaign suggests that these men endorse the senator," said a press release issued by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Here you go Bill.
Of the 20 officers shown in the photograph, only two openly support Senator Kerry,
Wow, 2 out of 20!
What are their names ? I have only seen 2 of the men he served directly with accomanying him on his campaign trips. Nor have I seen any stories of 11 guys doing so.Do you have any link or stories on this ?
That's it Bill, keep throwing Rash Lymphnode in there. I don't listen to him as I've told you but then again when it's all you've got use it eh.
Gee, I like the LINK you posted to that "Quote"...I suppose they all served DIRECTLY with him, right? Your criteria.
JT, you are right. The ARE other reasons not to like Kerry. One, for me anyway, is that he won't take aggressive-action in his Campaign, to pin GDubbya to the wall on LOTS of topics. I don't know whether he's waiting for a specific time to do so, or if he is just that timid. I am hoping the former is true.
Having said that, I wish there were two OTHER GUYS(gals) running, because I don't particlarily like either one of these "choices". Kerry is a moderate Republican, and GDubbya is an extreme right-winger... There isn't a REALDemocrat running.
Having said that, I am voting this time based upon just two topics: One is the WAR in IRAQ, which we should never have fought, and the other is The VA Health-Care System, something that extreme right-wingers like GDubbya and his "Band of Neos" (Rumsfeld & Associates)and most Rash Lymphnode-Republicans have proven time and time again they would favor ELIMINATING, all-together. (And I do not CARE if you listen to him LUV, you certainly reflect his attitudes and opinions,so what's the diference?)
I will vote against THEM, by choosing Kerry, and hope that America will soon wake from it's long nightmare of Right Turns.
You all know that as soon as he's re-elected (IF he's re-elected),GDubbya WILL go after IRAN next...right? You had better know it.He is preparing to do so, NOW.
If I say true to both does that make him a war criminal and communist sympathizer? Or a kid who got caught up in the heat of the times?
Well both are true so I don't know how else it could be answered.
He's asking us to judge him on his record BEFORE he did those things. He was older then when he served so if we're supposed to look at that period as something to judge him by then it's fair to look at the whole period. In both elections now the left has brought up Bush's national guard service as a way to get out of Nam. O.K fine, people will judge him on that. Same with Kerry, they were both young.
Do we say the thugs at Abu Ghriab just got "caught up in the heat of the times"?
We're also not talking about some "kid" who simply went to protests. He testified before congress and met with the communists, so we're not talking some kid who simply showed up at a rally.
P.S Sorry for the double posts, not sure what's going on.
But it was o.k for Kerry to do it.
Memorial Day 2004
Monday, May 31, 2004
THANK A VET TODAY
As we all settle into our patio chairs for a sumptuous barbecue feast, or as we cancel tee times here in Atlanta because of the weather it's a good time to take stock of our current situation. First of all, if you know any veterans, you should thank them. Were it not for their service, the world today might be ruled by communism or the Nazis. Not to mention the fascist Islamic terrorist fanatics like Al-Qaeda that want to turn every country in the world into a theocracy. Just something to think about.
Now .. having said that about veterans. This is Memorial Day. We have lost over 800 men and women in Afghanistan and Iraq in our war against Islamic terrorism. If you know family members or friends of any of these men or women ... they're owed a special thanks today for the sacrifice they have made.
I used to think this saying was a bit trite. "Freedom is not free." I know better now. I know better because I've seen and read of the sacrifices being made in the Middle East, and I talked to servicemen who, once they've spent a few weeks at home with their families, are eager to head right back over there to finish the job. Right now there are troops all over the world fighting the war on terror. In a weekend where the World War II Memorial was dedicated to the greatest generation, let's not forget about these soldiers fighting World War IV. Like it or not, the world is governed by the overwhelming use of force, and we wouldn't enjoy the freedom we have today if we didn't have a military that was ready to defend it.
So if you know a family member or friend of someone who has given their all in service to their country, try to thank them for their sacrifice. And if you are such a family member, my thanks to you.
Happy Memorial Day.
Neal Boortz
one of them called me and my son "Traitors". Thanks, LUV.
C'mon, Bill, you're better than this. It doesn't even make sense.
Great link L2F. Thanks
He is not better than that.
Link-> http://www.nationalreview.com/document/kerry200404231047.asp
The Chairman: The congress cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advice the President. We have to persuade the President of the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain ways in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.
But Congress has no capacity under our system to go out and negotiate a cease-fire. We have to persuade the Executive to do this for the country.
Extraordinary Response Demanded by Extraordinary Question
Mr. Kerry: Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrell programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)
And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey.
I understand. I really am aware that there are a tremendous number of difficulties in trying to persuade the Executive to move at this time. I believe they are committed. I don't believe we can. But I hope that we are not going to have to wait until 1972 to have this decision made. And what I am suggesting is that I think this is an extraordinary enough question so that it demands an extraordinary response, and if we can't respond extraordinarily to this problem then I doubt very seriously as men on each that we will be able to respond to the other serious question which face us. I think we have to start to consider that. This is what I am trying to say.
If this body could perhaps call for a referendum in the country or if we could perhaps move now for a vote in 3 weeks, I think the people of this country would rise up and back that. I am not saying a vote nationwide. I am talking about a vote here in Congress to cut off the funds, and a vote to perhaps pass a resolution calling on the Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of the war and to do the things that uphold those things which we pretend to be. That is what we are asking. I don't think we can turn our back on that any longer, Senator.
The Chairman: Senator Symington?
WITNESS SERVICE DECORATIONS
Senator Symington: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Kerry, please move your microphone. You have a Silver Star; have you not?
Mr. Kerry: Yes, I do.
Senator Symington: And a Purple Heart?
Mr. Kerry: Yes, I do.
Senator Symington: How many clusters?
Mr. Kerry: Two clusters.
Senator Symington: So you have been wounded three times.
Mr. Kerry: Yes, sir.
Senator Symington: I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.
In fact, that IS how the war ended. The Congress DID cut-off funding for the war, and that not only prevented any further escalation, it also stopped the bombings,
and ended a 10 year debacle.
Don't you find it strange that Dubbya is losing ground in the polls
Not at all.
Heck, I'm not in love with the guy, but I sure as hell won't vote for Kerry.
I think there's a lot of moderates like me out there that think the same.
I guess we'll see come November.
I haven't yet seen any 'Veterans For Dubbya" groups. Have you?
Sure: "Veterans for Bush" "Swift Boat Veterans".
They're probably small groups, but no smaller than "Veterans for Kerry".
Now, what exactly is Kerry going to do for Vets that is so much better than what Dubya is doing? And how much is it going to cost the taxpayers?
Link-> http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_49_Americal.html
The testimony given by these Veterans will shock you, and it may even convince you, that Vietnam was a national-nightmare of tremendous proportions, that literally tore us apart and destroyed the morale of an entire generation.
THIS, is what John Kery tried to communicate then, and an action by these men which he must now try to defend from accustions that he is a traitor, even unto this day.
None of you were there...most likely, and if any of you were,
then you must have forgotten.
This testimony, will refresh your memories.
Kerry, was telling the TRUTH.
and since he never stood at an airport in uniform and taken insults like that
Oh yes, "You've never served, so just keep your yap shut".
C'mon all you raping murderous Genghis Kahn's, support Kerry. Bring your medals to todays rally for the medal toss competition. See if you can get your medal to flip flop into the ketchup bottle and win a prize. An autographed picture from the front of John Kerry''s book mocking Iwo Jima with the flag upside down. Waffles will be served afterward.
Fold complains about not being able to afford gas for his truck yet complains AGAIN when there's any talk of OPEC lowering prices. Nothing to with the WORLD economy of course. All for Bush's re-election ya know. Too funny.
If Iraq has the cheapest gas, why isn't it in our pumps? Afterall, that's what we're over there for. Right liberals?
Busted by historians
" Well good luck to him, he's got some work to do."
Then now's the time to get started.
Bill,
Not at all, Please stop putting your thoughts into mine. I don't listen to Rush I don't beleive everything is o.k and I don't beleive people who oppose Bush are traitors K?
You rail on Bush for his national guard gig. Yet voted for Clinton who headed to England, so it shouldn't be an issue with you but I've heard you complain about his guard service for the last year.
And Kerry isn't using vets when convienent ? 30 years ago-----Murderous thugs........................today........Band of brothers.
First of all there's that little old Lybia thing. Secondly Bill, Gas is cheap in Iraq because they're getting it at the tap. Had Bush started pumping oil into the Texaco trucks I can only imagine the outcry.
Protesting is fine, calling the men you served with murderous thugs isn't. Simple. Kerry of all people ought to have known better. It was one thing to have some college kid callign a soldier a baby killer which was bad, it was quite another to have someone who was there saying the same thing and giving p.r to the soldier spitting crowd.
He's also making his service a centerpiece of his campaign so it's fair to look at the whole picture. He was 22 when he served and 22 when he cast veterans and men still in the field as thugs.
When you returned did you come home and testify to congress that everyone there was a murdering torturing rapist thug? most vets didn't, even the ones who wanted us out of there.
Did you go to Paris like he did for peace talks with the communists ?
What you fail to see is that many of the vets who didn't agree with the war YES protested, but they didn't cast all of thier fellow soldiers as murderous thugs. THAT is the difference Bill. You accuse me of being blinded by Rush. Perhaps your blinded by party ideology. Had Bush said those things I doubt I could ever support the man. I still wouldn't vote for Kerry so I don't know what I'd do. You get upset when people make derrogatory comments about vets but it's o.k now because Kerry's your guy.
Many protested and were angry. Most simply protested, marched, etc. Kerry crossed a line that not many others didn't. Many other vets wether they served in Nam or not will never find that acceptable. I certainly never will and I would never vote for someone who did such things.
Bill, I don't know if you know this but the "winter soldier investigation" was proven to be alot of show. Many who talked about attrocities didn't even serve or weren't in theater.
I don't know who the other ones are, if they run for president ever I'd take the same issue with them.
BTW going to Paris to talk to the communists wasn't exactly a smooth move.
Hmmmmmmm.... Well then I guess Henry Kissinger was a dope.
Much like The Bible, you see things as you want to see them. BUT, MOST of the 150 WERE telling the truth and in fact, there are probably tens of thousands MORE who will tell the same story, because it happened.
Lastly, Kerry is making his service record a "Centerpiece" of his campaign, because it has been called into question by the other-side, and used AGAINST him, mainly because he stood up and told the HONEST truth in front of Congress, in 1971.
And please don't give me that tired and dishonest
"Accused the men he served with" shit. IF you could prove that anything he said was a LIE, then you might have an argument. Until then, (which means never), just keep carrying the party-line.
(He spoke of the tens of thousdands of men who DID commit the attrocities that are now Historical-Fact, like it or not...Not his "own men".)
It's all you do lately,
but you do it so well.
Ok, lets say Kerry was right and didn't lie.
He still acted like a fruitcake extremist.
He might have been but he was the one appointed to speak to the North, Not Kerry. It's against the law BTW. That's o.k though.
Really? Even the ones who were never there or served ?
Perhaps Kerry could offer some better proof than bogus testimony of people who weren't even there.
Oh yea Bill, I'm the one totin the party line. If Bush had said what he did I wouldn't vote for him period. The facts are the facts. He said we murdered 200,000 Vietnamese a year. Acted like Gehngis Kahn. etc.
Tell me do you have proof it's ten's of thousands of men comitting attrocities ?
The fact is there's men who served dirictly with him that never saw what he testified to. So all those guys must be lying huh? So if they are lying then not only did Kerry break the law by meeting with the communists, he's also a war criminal too.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/06/04/wwii.memorial.ap/index.html
One letter next to a photo of a young soldier in the 82nd Airborne read simply, "Dear Dad, Oh, how I wished you had lived! ... All my love, Jeanne."
"So if they are then not only did Kerry break the law by meeting with the communists, he's also a war criminal too."
But is he like Hitler?
Because on this board you're nothin' until you're compared to Hitler.
Where are you making that leap ?
That is just what left wingers do.
By the way... 'CCO did a story the other night on "Truth" in the political ads? GDubbya's ads were ALL found to be misleading and 0utright lies and distortions(as most informed people know anyway). ALL of them.
Did they mention Kerry's adds? Like the June 3 one in which he tells a small gathering that 43 million don't have health care. Truth is that they may lack insurance, but they still have access to health care in hospital emergency rooms and clinics. Kerry's own plan would not make insurance a right as he claims, but would still leave 16 million Americans without coverage and would cost about $653 billion over 10 years.
How about the one where he invents a new "misery index"? The old one makes things look better than it's been in most years since World War II. In fact, it's less than half the miserable level reached in 1980, the last year of the Carter administration, and better than in any of Clinton's first four years.
Or how about the Kerry ad that has Bush saying that sending jobs overseas "makes sense"? But Bush didn't say that. The quote is actually from Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. The Kerry campaign claims Bush signed the report containing those words, but that's wrong, too.
Perhaps they showed the Kerry campaign Feb. 27 add e-mailed to supporters, asking them to pass it on to friends. The ad accuses Bush of breaking his word. But the Kerry ad itself falsely implies that Bush has cut off health benefits for 200,000 veterans, and overstates the number of jobs lost under Bush.
The list goes on. I can show you more if you wish.
I don't beleive I've compared anyone to Hitler, except for Stalin, Pol Pot, Hussein and Kim Jong Il.
I guess Kerry will have to settle for being a war criminal and commie sympathizer.
But it won't be for lack of trying on his part.
He could be Hitler.
I find it strange that a sitting president during wartime isn't leading any poll against a candidate as weak as Kerry.
Bill, was it me who said it ? Jeez. For the record I think that kind of crap is out of place and think it's juvenille, if they want to have thier Kerry rally leave em' alone. I disagree strongly with what Kerry did when he got back in fact I think it was horrible and unnaccepptable , I'm not alone in that feeling so it's not just me, plenty of vets do obviously, some don't, that's fine. So as angry as you were at the guy who said it perhaps now you understand How some feel about Kerry's words when he castigated them, but I guess that's different.But good God because some asshole said something stupid to you it's my fault? Get real will you.
Rick,
Here's a simple quiz.
Did Kerry meet with the communists ?
A) True
B) False
Did John F Kerry admit to comitting war crimes?
A) True
B) False
If I say true to both does that make him a war criminal and communist sympathizer? Or a kid who got caught up in the heat of the times?
Did John F Kerry admit to comitting war crimes?
He did. How can the left justify their support while condeming Bush for Iraq?
I thought I answered them.
I'll say true to both and let you be judge and jury.
It's up to each of us how we judge our officials. I think you're one of the more fair minded people I've run across.
Reagan met with Gorby...they were friends even...
I guess Reagan was a commie sympathizer.
and didn't Nixon go to China?
Well one problem Crabs. They were elected officials or appointed by such. Kerry was not.
Kerry broke the law meeting with them. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/953.html
good for him.
laws either apply to everyone or they apply to no one.
particularly when it comes to drug laws...they should apply to no one because they aren't applied to everyone equally.
Yea, good fof him, nobody else.
OJ Simpson is walking around free so I guess we should do away with murder laws, too.
Where are you making that leap ?
good for the kids who didn't get killed in Nam in the late 70's too.
Yea like the 75,000 killed by those peace loving folks from the North after we left, and the 2 million or so Pol Pot was able to kill next door in Cambodia. Yea trying to stop the communists was a bad idea, what good folks.
Yeah, fuck the law, huh Crabby.
that seems to be Bush's attitude...
Bush Energy Plan Violates International Law
Bush Nuclear Policy Violates International Law. Again.
White House guilty of breaking propaganda law
Washington seeks to immunize U.S. leaders from war crimes prosecutions entirely, no matter what they may do
Unconventional Unwisdom - How the Bush administration is breaking the rules of war
yea...fuck the law.
"yea...fuck the law."
Wasn't that a song from the 50's ? No wait that was I fucked the law and the law won.
It doesn't matter in the end.
There's so many other reasons to dislike Kerry.
Well here's 11 guys who served DIRECTLY with Kerry who don't want their pics used in his campaign ads.
Here you go Bill.
Wow, 2 out of 20!
What are their names ? I have only seen 2 of the men he served directly with accomanying him on his campaign trips. Nor have I seen any stories of 11 guys doing so.Do you have any link or stories on this ?
That's it Bill, keep throwing Rash Lymphnode in there. I don't listen to him as I've told you but then again when it's all you've got use it eh.
Gee, I like the LINK you posted to that "Quote"...I suppose they all served DIRECTLY with him, right?
Your criteria.
JT, you are right. The ARE other reasons not to like Kerry. One, for me anyway, is that he won't take aggressive-action in his Campaign, to pin GDubbya to the wall on LOTS of topics. I don't know whether he's waiting for a specific time to do so, or if he is just that timid. I am hoping the former is true.
Having said that, I wish there were two OTHER GUYS(gals) running, because I don't particlarily like either one of these "choices". Kerry is a moderate Republican, and GDubbya is an extreme right-winger... There isn't a
REAL Democrat running.
Having said that, I am voting this time based upon just two topics: One is the WAR in IRAQ, which we should never have fought, and the other is The VA Health-Care System, something that extreme right-wingers like GDubbya and his "Band of Neos" (Rumsfeld & Associates)and most Rash Lymphnode-Republicans have proven time and time again they would favor ELIMINATING, all-together.
(And I do not CARE if you listen to him LUV, you certainly reflect his attitudes and opinions, so what's the diference?)
I will vote against THEM, by choosing Kerry, and hope that America will soon wake from it's long nightmare of
Right Turns.
You all know that as soon as he's re-elected
(IF he's re-elected), GDubbya WILL go after IRAN next...right?
You had better know it. He is preparing to do so, NOW.
Well both are true so I don't know how else it could be answered.
He's asking us to judge him on his record BEFORE he did those things. He was older then when he served so if we're supposed to look at that period as something to judge him by then it's fair to look at the whole period. In both elections now the left has brought up Bush's national guard service as a way to get out of Nam. O.K fine, people will judge him on that. Same with Kerry, they were both young.
Do we say the thugs at Abu Ghriab just got "caught up in the heat of the times"?
We're also not talking about some "kid" who simply went to protests. He testified before congress and met with the communists, so we're not talking some kid who simply showed up at a rally.
P.S Sorry for the double posts, not sure what's going on.
Toll Free JOE