Worry for the nation drives the need to win elections.
True, but the dems have taken it different than you try to portay it. When things do not go their way, they cry foul at every chance. Look at what is happening now with the passing of Reagan. Your guys cannot wait for him to hit the ground before starting in with the garbage.
During the Wellstone tragic passing, there was not the same type of response fron the other side of the aisle. The worst I heard was those that said they disagreed with his policies but that they did not wish this of him. From the dems there was talk of his plane being shot down. They could not even hold a ceremony that should have been a celebration of his life without turning it into a disgusting political display.
So go right ahead and allow them to continue the attacks and watch as the voters leave your party in disgust. Continue to support the likes of Rall who couldn't wait to speak of Reagan "I'm sure he's turning crispy brown right about now." This was what he had to say in his column without a care about the family that was left to mourn. Continue to support Kerry who didn't even care enough to show up for the vote today for a resolution documenting Reagan's achievements. This makes how many votes that he hasn't even showed up for?
As the voters see these things, they will be leaving the Democratic party in droves leaving nothing but the extremist to carry on. Enjoy. I am sure that it will all be blamed on Bush somehow.
I didn't know that Rall spoke for the Democratic Party. But I know that he'd make good TV for Sean Hannity.
If you want to take every fringe politcal player and anonymous goofball poster on Democratic Undeground and place him or her next to Kerry, then you're in Lowball Politics Land too, Dan. Why did you go there? Evidently you're not too disgusted by it.
I could find comments every bit as extreme and disgusting from the right wing side, but I'm not going to.
Until GDubbya, Bill Clinton sent more troops overseas and to more places, more successfully I might add, than any other modern President.
Uhm, what about the Gulf War?
Oh, that's right, the flaming Liberals didn't want to finish the job the first time. Which left Clinton 8 years to dick around with Saddam and do nothing.
my point is that these conservatives will install and use these dictators to accomplish whatever they want. It's not about "for" or "against"...it's about the need for an enemy to make weapons manufacturers rich...and if we can't fight that enemy ourselves, we will get another of these guys to do it for us.
No it's not. In world affairs allegiances shift. Saddam was seen as moderating influence as opposed to the hardliners in Iran. It just didn't work out that way.
If you weren't so woefully naive and starstruck by obscure conspiracies you'd learn something about internatonal relations.
“At the last moment when his breathing told us this was it, he opened his eyes and looked straight at my mother. Eyes that hadn‘t opened for days, did. And they weren‘t chalky or vague. They were clear, and blue, and full of love. If a death can be lovely, his was.” -Patti Davis.
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - Ray Charles, the Grammy-winning crooner who blended gospel and blues in such crowd-pleasers as "What'd I Say" and ballads like "Georgia on My Mind," died Thursday, a spokesman said. He was 73.
Charles died at his Beverly Hills home surrounded by family and friends, said spokesman Jerry Digney.
I didn't listen to Ray Charles much, but I remember one evening when we attended the singular experience that is the Stone Mountain Laser show outside Atlanta.
It's a redneck Confederate fantasy where Jackson, Davis and Lee, the men carved into the mountain are brought alive to ride again with the help of lasers. They do a laser reproduction of the famous trilogy by Elvis Presley (Battle Hymn of the Republic, Dixie, and one other song I forget).
Then comes the laser version of Georgia on my Mind, with a laser image of Ray Charles, which is the official version of state song. But the big cheer went up among the assembled yahoos when the Willie Nelson version was played. Clearly, they didn't care much for a 'colled man' to be singing the state song.
I like the Ray Charles version anyday. Something about his voice and emotion. The guy was a legend and deservedly so. He also does a rendition of America the Beautiful that was awesome as well. Rest in peace Mr. Charles.
BTW Loved him in the Blues Brothers too. What a great cameo.
I met his impersonator once in Vegas. Spittin image. Pretty cool. Must be time for a raise. And I agree with you L2F about his version of America The beautiful being the best rendition there is. Powerful stuff.
I know I prolly missed all the Reagan stuff by a couple days, but... whatever...
I dont really remember much about the ninja.... seeing as how I was born in 1981... but what I can say is that everyone that I know that does actually remember him, is sad about his death for various reasons..
myself.... when I hear his name, for some reason it brings to mind, "Back To The Future" when Marty McFly goes into the past, and meets up with Doc for the first time.... Doc keeps asking him about the future and asks him "Fine...who's president in 1985??" and Marty responds with "Ronald Reagan!!" to which Doc says "RONALD REAGAN?!! THE ACTOR, RONALD REAGAN!!?!? HA!!!!" and then proceeds to slam a door in his face...
I don't think Ford or Carter were as beloved or popular. I'm sure some will disagree. It's been 31 years since we've had a president die. That was before 24/7 cable and internet. So when Carter or Ford pass who knows how it will be covered. Cable will cover it because they have alot of time to fill. He was popular and loved by many. If people don't care for him or the coverage so be it.
In Solidarity The Polish people, hungry for justice, preferred "cowboys" over Communists.
BY LECH WALESA Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
GDANSK, Poland--When talking about Ronald Reagan, I have to be personal. We in Poland took him so personally. Why? Because we owe him our liberty. This can't be said often enough by people who lived under oppression for half a century, until communism fell in 1989.
Poles fought for their freedom for so many years that they hold in special esteem those who backed them in their struggle. Support was the test of friendship. President Reagan was such a friend. His policy of aiding democratic movements in Central and Eastern Europe in the dark days of the Cold War meant a lot to us. We knew he believed in a few simple principles such as human rights, democracy and civil society. He was someone who was convinced that the citizen is not for the state, but vice-versa, and that freedom is an innate right.
I often wondered why Ronald Reagan did this, taking the risks he did, in supporting us at Solidarity, as well as dissident movements in other countries behind the Iron Curtain, while pushing a defense buildup that pushed the Soviet economy over the brink. Let's remember that it was a time of recession in the U.S. and a time when the American public was more interested in their own domestic affairs. It took a leader with a vision to convince them that there are greater things worth fighting for. Did he seek any profit in such a policy? Though our freedom movements were in line with the foreign policy of the United States, I doubt it.
I distinguish between two kinds of politicians. There are those who view politics as a tactical game, a game in which they do not reveal any individuality, in which they lose their own face. There are, however, leaders for whom politics is a means of defending and furthering values. For them, it is a moral pursuit. They do so because the values they cherish are endangered. They're convinced that there are values worth living for, and even values worth dying for. Otherwise they would consider their life and work pointless. Only such politicians are great politicians and Ronald Reagan was one of them.
It's been 31 years since we've had a president die
I still count Nixon even if most won't. I think the press is talking about the actual federal funeral where a former president lay in State. Most people forget about that 30 second funeral that Nixon had in back in '94.
Jerry Ford's getting on in years. I don't think all we've seen this week is in store for him when he dies.
Ford is entitled to the same thing if he and his family wish it. We did not see this with Nixon because the family wanted a private ceremony as is their right.
Did any of you catch Sean Hannity going mano-a-mano with Ted Rall last night?
I wouldn't have been as restrained as Hannity was.
Ted Rall is a pig.
Worry for the nation drives the need to win elections.
True, but the dems have taken it different than you try to portay it. When things do not go their way, they cry foul at every chance. Look at what is happening now with the passing of Reagan. Your guys cannot wait for him to hit the ground before starting in with the garbage.
During the Wellstone tragic passing, there was not the same type of response fron the other side of the aisle. The worst I heard was those that said they disagreed with his policies but that they did not wish this of him. From the dems there was talk of his plane being shot down. They could not even hold a ceremony that should have been a celebration of his life without turning it into a disgusting political display.
So go right ahead and allow them to continue the attacks and watch as the voters leave your party in disgust. Continue to support the likes of Rall who couldn't wait to speak of Reagan "I'm sure he's turning crispy brown right about now." This was what he had to say in his column without a care about the family that was left to mourn. Continue to support Kerry who didn't even care enough to show up for the vote today for a resolution documenting Reagan's achievements. This makes how many votes that he hasn't even showed up for?
As the voters see these things, they will be leaving the Democratic party in droves leaving nothing but the extremist to carry on. Enjoy. I am sure that it will all be blamed on Bush somehow.
A fitting (Real Player) tributeto Ronald Reagan.
Grandpa Dan Zachary 6/9/04 9:39pm
Very nice. Thanks for posting that.
I didn't know that Rall spoke for the Democratic Party. But I know that he'd make good TV for Sean Hannity.
If you want to take every fringe politcal player and anonymous goofball poster on Democratic Undeground and place him or her next to Kerry, then you're in Lowball Politics Land too, Dan. Why did you go there? Evidently you're not too disgusted by it.
I could find comments every bit as extreme and disgusting from the right wing side, but I'm not going to.
Until GDubbya, Bill Clinton sent more troops overseas and to more places, more successfully I might add, than any other modern President.
Uhm, what about the Gulf War?
Oh, that's right, the flaming Liberals didn't want to finish the job the first time. Which left Clinton 8 years to dick around with Saddam and do nothing.
"Oh, that's right, the flaming Liberals didn't want to finish the job the first time."
Iraq was driven out of Kuwait. The mission was accomplished.
Funny how you can blame Clinton for Saddaam.
I don't blame Clinton for Saddam, I blame him for sitting on his hands regarding Saddam while he was President.
Even GDubbya has said his PAPPY should have finished the job.
If I recall, Bush 1 wanted to finish it.
He wanted Saddam dead.
Try reading ANY paper on the subject.
Try screwing yourself.
Iraq was driven out of Kuwait. The mission was accomplished.
See, that's what I mean.
That's why Saddam dicked around with us for years.
"If I recall, Bush 1 wanted to finish it."
Killing Saddam was not the mission. Bush I wanted to keep the coalition intact and enforce UN Resolutions. That was it,
uh...Saddam dicked around FORus for years too.
I recall talk of having Saddam assasinated.
uh...Saddam dicked around FOR us for years too.
A misrepresentation of the truth.
"Saddam dicked around FOR us for years too. "
So? What's your point?
no...it's not.
he was on our side...we did LOTS of business in weapons with him.
"I recall talk of having Saddam assasinated."
As usual, there's all kinds of talk going on. But killing Saddam was not the mission.
my point is that these conservatives will install and use these dictators to accomplish whatever they want. It's not about "for" or "against"...it's about the need for an enemy to make weapons manufacturers rich...and if we can't fight that enemy ourselves, we will get another of these guys to do it for us.
it's a con job...a grift.
we did LOTS of business in weapons with him.
I've proven that to be a lie.
You must be thinking of France & Germany & Russia.
Try again.
I've proven it to be the truth.
Just because other countries also play the weapons grift doesn't mean that we don't.
hell...we will sell weapons to people who are holding our people hostage if it means that we can create more war somewhere else.
my point is that these conservatives will install and use these dictators to accomplish whatever they want.
Oh yeah, only conservatives are evil and deal with dictators.
Man, you've got tunnel vision or something.
I've proven it to be the truth.
No you haven't.
Like I said, you must be thinking France, Germany, & Russia.
They're the ones that sold them weapons.
We hardly sold them anything.
so, you admit they do it then?
I didn't say only, now did I?
that's just not true.
"it's a con job...a grift. "
No it's not. In world affairs allegiances shift. Saddam was seen as moderating influence as opposed to the hardliners in Iran. It just didn't work out that way.
If you weren't so woefully naive and starstruck by obscure conspiracies you'd learn something about internatonal relations.
so, you admit they do it then?
Yes, sometimes you have to. That's how the world works.
It's nice to believe the world is nice and sterile and full of cute fuzzy bunnies that all love each other, but that's delusional.
I didn't say only, now did I?
You didn't mention Liberals, now did you?
that's just not true.
Yes it is.
Iraq got almost all their weapons from elsewhere, not the US.
Got work to do.
Later
Rick wrote: "Iraq was driven out of Kuwait. The mission was accomplished."
Funny how the left critizies Bush for his "mission accomplished" but turn around and say something like the above.
“At the last moment when his breathing told us this was it, he opened his eyes and looked straight at my mother. Eyes that hadn‘t opened for days, did. And they weren‘t chalky or vague. They were clear, and blue, and full of love. If a death can be lovely, his was.” -Patti Davis.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5164869/
Kind of wierd to think the last time we had a Presidential Funeral was for LBJ in 74. That's a long time. I don't remember LBJ's.
This is Sad.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040610/D834BPC01.html
I didn't listen to Ray Charles much, but I remember one evening when we attended the singular experience that is the Stone Mountain Laser show outside Atlanta.
It's a redneck Confederate fantasy where Jackson, Davis and Lee, the men carved into the mountain are brought alive to ride again with the help of lasers. They do a laser reproduction of the famous trilogy by Elvis Presley (Battle Hymn of the Republic, Dixie, and one other song I forget).
Then comes the laser version of Georgia on my Mind, with a laser image of Ray Charles, which is the official version of state song. But the big cheer went up among the assembled yahoos when the Willie Nelson version was played. Clearly, they didn't care much for a 'colled man' to be singing the state song.
I like the Ray Charles version anyday. Something about his voice and emotion. The guy was a legend and deservedly so. He also does a rendition of America the Beautiful that was awesome as well. Rest in peace Mr. Charles.
BTW Loved him in the Blues Brothers too. What a great cameo.
I met his impersonator once in Vegas. Spittin image. Pretty cool. Must be time for a raise. And I agree with you L2F about his version of America The beautiful being the best rendition there is. Powerful stuff.
crabs, pssssssssssst, it was saddam/contra, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Torpedo-8 6/10/04 9:53pm
Your decoder ring has been deactivated.
I warned you that it could happen.
;)
DOH!
Torpedo-8 6/10/04 10:31pm
;)
I know I prolly missed all the Reagan stuff by a couple days, but... whatever...
I dont really remember much about the ninja.... seeing as how I was born in 1981... but what I can say is that everyone that I know that does actually remember him, is sad about his death for various reasons..
myself.... when I hear his name, for some reason it brings to mind, "Back To The Future" when Marty McFly goes into the past, and meets up with Doc for the first time.... Doc keeps asking him about the future and asks him "Fine...who's president in 1985??" and Marty responds with "Ronald Reagan!!" to which Doc says "RONALD REAGAN?!! THE ACTOR, RONALD REAGAN!!?!? HA!!!!" and then proceeds to slam a door in his face...
Jerry Ford's getting on in years. I don't think all we've seen this week is in store for him when he dies.
Jerry Ford's getting on in years. I don't think all we've seen this week is in store for him when he dies.
I ain't seen nothing like this week in my lifetime.
Do you think, Fit for a King is an accurate discription?
Do you think, Fit for a King is an accurate discription?
Yeah
People sure loved him, that's for sure.
I don't think Ford or Carter were as beloved or popular. I'm sure some will disagree. It's been 31 years since we've had a president die. That was before 24/7 cable and internet. So when Carter or Ford pass who knows how it will be covered. Cable will cover it because they have alot of time to fill. He was popular and loved by many. If people don't care for him or the coverage so be it.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
In Solidarity
The Polish people, hungry for justice, preferred "cowboys" over Communists.
BY LECH WALESA
Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
GDANSK, Poland--When talking about Ronald Reagan, I have to be personal. We in Poland took him so personally. Why? Because we owe him our liberty. This can't be said often enough by people who lived under oppression for half a century, until communism fell in 1989.
Poles fought for their freedom for so many years that they hold in special esteem those who backed them in their struggle. Support was the test of friendship. President Reagan was such a friend. His policy of aiding democratic movements in Central and Eastern Europe in the dark days of the Cold War meant a lot to us. We knew he believed in a few simple principles such as human rights, democracy and civil society. He was someone who was convinced that the citizen is not for the state, but vice-versa, and that freedom is an innate right.
I often wondered why Ronald Reagan did this, taking the risks he did, in supporting us at Solidarity, as well as dissident movements in other countries behind the Iron Curtain, while pushing a defense buildup that pushed the Soviet economy over the brink. Let's remember that it was a time of recession in the U.S. and a time when the American public was more interested in their own domestic affairs. It took a leader with a vision to convince them that there are greater things worth fighting for. Did he seek any profit in such a policy? Though our freedom movements were in line with the foreign policy of the United States, I doubt it.
I distinguish between two kinds of politicians. There are those who view politics as a tactical game, a game in which they do not reveal any individuality, in which they lose their own face. There are, however, leaders for whom politics is a means of defending and furthering values. For them, it is a moral pursuit. They do so because the values they cherish are endangered. They're convinced that there are values worth living for, and even values worth dying for. Otherwise they would consider their life and work pointless. Only such politicians are great politicians and Ronald Reagan was one of them.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005204
It's been 31 years since we've had a president die
I still count Nixon even if most won't. I think the press is talking about the actual federal funeral where a former president lay in State. Most people forget about that 30 second funeral that Nixon had in back in '94.
I should have stated the first state funeral in 31 years. My bad.
Jerry Ford's getting on in years. I don't think all we've seen this week is in store for him when he dies.
Ford is entitled to the same thing if he and his family wish it. We did not see this with Nixon because the family wanted a private ceremony as is their right.