So this argument doesn't go on for God knows how long, here's evidence of the post, in the "War in Iraq" thread.
jethro bodine - (PFID:efa8556) - 09:27am Nov 11, 2003 PST (# 3307 of 4262)
It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalms 118:8
Now I am able so I do, painful inch by painful inch, I walk the Lake, and in fact if you would like to meet-up some morning next summer, and walk around the Lake with me, I'll happily DROWN you, in that stinking mud-hole, you ungrateful Shit-Head, after I beat you senseless(shitless), with my Pop's old walking-stick.
And fold says he doesn't hate! I love Como. See you some time next summer, fold. I'll give you plenty of warning to bring your stick.
Oh shit man... Please, stop with the "bruised-ego" false-bravado, false-pride shit. I didn't eben KNOW that HE staged an "Event" with the IWO-Flag thing.
Yet you feel free to comment on it, that's normal for you though I guess. And it's not an ego or bravado thing. I just happen to have some reverence for the flag. If you saw a group of protestors doing the same today as on the cover of Kerry's book what would you do ? I'm guessing vote for them if they were running. 30 years ago or today it's wrong. It's legal and should be but it's still wrong.
WWII Veterans...? My father, a Decorated WWII-Veteran, fought in the South Pacific from New Guinea to the P.I., to the occupation of Japan. I have more respect for WWII GI's and the sacrifices they made than you could ever know. I work with them STILL, fighting for Disabled Veterans, to this day. Fuck your "lecture".
Then next time you're doing all the work your doing for them ask them if they dislike the flag being used like that. I hope they agree with you though, wouldn't want em lecturing you.
I wasn't trying to inflame the argument, I was acknowledging that the Upside-Down-Flag thing took place, as YOU say it happened, and asked for a QUOTE from his book, where YOU claim he said so many "Mocking" things about the guys who actually raised the flag on IWO. Got Any?
page 158 of John Kerry's book. "We were told we were killing communism, we were killing women and children". Well at least he didn't directly say baby killers.
The upside-down flag is not an act of disrespect, it's a distress signal.
THE FLAG CODE Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10 As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress Approved July 7, 1976
§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
TMK, I know fold went back and found it. I wanted to see how many times he would dance around it. He knew he was caught in yet ANOTHER lie and couldn't admit it. Lets see what Mr. Bitter has to say now.
Now, from the tone of your 6026, all this is very trivial to you, correct? Well then, you certainly won't mind if i interject my comments on other threads as to what i feel are YOUR boring arguements/opinions that i feel are going on for God knows how long.
Doing so with the flag didn't. Perhaps you see different. It's strictly a matter of opinion on what's acceptable. Burning them, hanging them upside down, defacing them etc. Is legal as it should be, but offensive to many.
my point is that I seriously wonder just how "Christian" people who claim to be Christians actually are.
What do you care ? What about someone who's Jewish, are they Jewish enough ? Anyone claiming to be a Christian is not perfect so their will always be faults as well. It's that they strive to be, or the journey if you will and it's a never ending quest.
Yes I am a man of peace, peace through strength. From what I can gather from crabs he is a man of peace through weakness. He has said he doesn't want to appear to be a threat and he believes he'll be left alone. What nonsense.
Perhaps it takes greater strength to resist violence in any instance than to give into the primal desire for aggression. Carl Sagan called it the R-Factor, as in reptilian.
Maybe what you consider strength is actually weakness and the age old instincts of lower creatures.
Perhaps it takes greater strength to resist violence in any instance than to give into the primal desire for aggression. Self defense is not agression.
Maybe what you consider strength is actually weakness and the age old instincts of lower creatures. Maybe you think too much. It sometimes overcomes common sense.
>See, there's an example of why I told you to Fuck-Off....that kinda shit.Â
No you told me to fuck off a bunch of times even before that because you flew off the handle as usual.
30 years ago or today it's wrong. It's legal and should be but it's still wrong.
>In YOUR Opinion. In my opinion, it is a wasted argument that conservatives can use to paint all Dems as Traitors. It's nothing less.
So you'd just walk away ? Suddenly you have no opinion about it? O.K fine. It's my opinion and many others as well. Then next time you're doing all the work your doing for them ask them if they dislike the flag being used like that.
>There you go again...more shitty, mocking-plattitudes.
How is that mocking? It was a simple question. Read what I said, ask the others you're helping if they dislike the flag being used like that. Sorry if you can't handle a question.
>I have neighbors on each side of me who are WWII Vets. They are NOT voting for GDubbya, and they don't talk to me or anyone I know of about deuchebags that stomp on the flag, because it is a non-issue, made into an issue that can be used to paint all Liberals as Traitors...nothing more, nothing less. I have never heard anyone up here get in a tizzy over that non-issue in fact, because they are usually too busy fishing.
I don't care what someone's party affiliation is. It's simply wrong.
>Here's some info for you LUV. Last weeken (Saturday in fact), I helped retire over 2,500 U.S. Flags, up here at The Vet's Camp. There were about 125 visitors, and we all shared a moment of silence for those who had given their lives in it's name, a prayer for those who wanted to participate in one, and then we retired-burned them all on a Khe-Sahn, just as is prescribed by law. That ceremony happens each year up here. We retire thousands of Flags that have been flown over VFW/Legion Posts, the State Capitol, Caskets, and any others which are tattered/old, and from as far away as the Capitol in D.C. and ALL of the 50 states. Over 4000 last year. I didn't see you here, by the way??? We retire more Flags on that day and in our ceremonies than any other Veteran's Group in America, fact. I am not bragging, I am merely telling you so you will stop trying to lecture me on "The Flag Issue"....K? I know it well, and I do NOT waste any energy on it any longer. I was saluting and honoring that Flag with my father, before you were born. I lost a brother to a war, and to our flag. I served that flag myself, remember? I actually post the laws reguarding the use of the Flag each year up here. The people who are here on that day use it as a time when they can teach THEIR kids, as my father taught me.
That's awesome Bill, it really is. and no I'm not mocking you, I mean it, I brought two flags a few weeks back to the VFW in White Bear. The snide comment about me not being there was uncalled for. As I told you I do as much volunteering as I can I simply don't wish to talk about it.
Anyway, Knowing what you do and feeling how you do about the flag how can you not take issue with it? It's o.k to disagree with someone who would mock the flag like that. It doesn't mean you can't support Kerry. It doesn't even make that person a traitor. I don't think people are traitors for burning or mocking the flag I just think it sucks, regardless of politics. The flag means a hell of alot to me as well and politics aside I'd take issue with anyone doing so. You don't have to respond but let's say Kerry was just some guy protesting and they did that what would you think? I would simply think they're morons. I wouldn't call them traitors etc. That's a serious charge, I just think they'd be wrong and I'd let them know.
Lastly, yes I do work hard for Veterans and Veteran's causes, each and every day. I am involved in so many different and interesting causes that my life is quite rewarding... Hey, maybe you would like to join me at the VAMC on the 27th of June, to visit patients out there?Just let me know... I'll tell you what time and where we will be. I'll be there, as will several of my friends from the DAV, and I am sure they would love to see any Veteran who cares about them enough to take two hours of their life and devote it to men&women who are for the most part, dying out there, aloneand in many cases forgotten. I take pride in that small-service, and you can make fun of it all you want
Why would I make fun of that ? Geez. E-gram me the info. If I can make it work I'll see what I can do.
>but when YOU come up next season to participate in our Flag-Retirement Ceremonies? That'sthe day I'll start taking you seriously.
Nevermind on the above. I'll continue to do other the other work I do for vets and non vets, spending 2 hours with you at this point doesn't sound very interesting. Tell you what I'll start taking you seriously when you can debate or discuss things like a grown up. I've met 14 year olds that are more mature than you. You're supposedly in your 50's. You'd think by now someone that age could take a little criticisim or even debate without acting like a kid on a playground. Then again considering how often you forget the facts of an item maybe the playground is the best place for you.
Until then, you can puff your chest out all you want and claim the higher moral-ground on the "Flag Issue", and the make believe "Mocking Statements" you claim Kerry made about WWII Veterans & Iwo Jima, but you are NOT a participant...you are just lecturing me. Big deal...Torpedo does that.Â
How do you know what Torpedo does or doesn't do? How do you know what I do or don't do? Because I wasn't there with you I wasn't or don't do anything, gee I didn't know you could be eveywhere Bill, tell us how you do it. I've never seen a picture of Torpedo with an upside down flag mocking the Iwo raising. I can agree and disagree with Torpedo without it resorting to schoolyard tactics. He's also never stabbed me in the back either.
Oh so if you don't do something you can't have an opinion on it? There's some volunteer work I'm doing that will take about 4-5 days at the end of July Wanna come so I take you seriously ? So if you don't do all the events I do then you don't deserve an opinion or visa versa? You know zip about me and what I do and that's fine with me. I don't go around telling people good deeds I do out of a belief I have. I don't answer to people like you because I have to have respect for the person. You get what you give Bill. So to take a page from the Bill Fold school of how to make friends and influence people. Screw you and the tired horse you rode in on.
I've bought flags from the VFW. Donated to them. Fold then accuses me of thumping my chest. He does it nearly every time he posts. Thumping that is. But that's ok because he's a vet? Yes, it is tired.
Nov. 11th, 2003, fold. What's the matter BOY, chickenshit again?
So this argument doesn't go on for God knows how long, here's evidence of the post, in the "War in Iraq" thread.
jethro bodine - (PFID:efa8556) - 09:27am Nov 11, 2003 PST (# 3307 of 4262)
It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalms 118:8
Now I am able so I do, painful inch by painful inch, I walk the Lake, and in fact if you would like to meet-up some morning next summer, and walk around the Lake with me, I'll happily DROWN you, in that stinking mud-hole, you ungrateful Shit-Head, after I beat you senseless(shitless), with my Pop's old walking-stick.
And fold says he doesn't hate! I love Como. See you some time next summer, fold. I'll give you plenty of warning to bring your stick.
Yet you feel free to comment on it, that's normal for you though I guess. And it's not an ego or bravado thing. I just happen to have some reverence for the flag. If you saw a group of protestors doing the same today as on the cover of Kerry's book what would you do ? I'm guessing vote for them if they were running. 30 years ago or today it's wrong. It's legal and should be but it's still wrong.
Then next time you're doing all the work your doing for them ask them if they dislike the flag being used like that. I hope they agree with you though, wouldn't want em lecturing you.
page 158 of John Kerry's book. "We were told we were killing communism, we were killing women and children". Well at least he didn't directly say baby killers.
The upside-down flag is not an act of disrespect, it's a distress signal.
TMK, I know fold went back and found it. I wanted to see how many times he would dance around it. He knew he was caught in yet ANOTHER lie and couldn't admit it. Lets see what Mr. Bitter has to say now.
Now, from the tone of your 6026, all this is very trivial to you, correct? Well then, you certainly won't mind if i interject my comments on other threads as to what i feel are YOUR boring arguements/opinions that i feel are going on for God knows how long.
You know, just trying to help out, as you are.
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pieter b 6/14/04 8:57am
The manner in which they did it was disrespectful. It was done as a form of protest.
Damn Hippies!
Damn dirty hippies!
Damn dirty hippies!
LOL!
protest respects our country.
Doing so with the flag didn't. Perhaps you see different. It's strictly a matter of opinion on what's acceptable. Burning them, hanging them upside down, defacing them etc. Is legal as it should be, but offensive to many.
It just bores the hell out of me.
I think we should burn hippies.
In protest, of course.
In protest of soap.
wash my feet, Christian
Get a grip, Crabby.
I'm just screwing around.
I looked like a dirty little hippy myself when I was a kid.
no...seriously...wash my feet, Christian
Come on over, I'll wash your feet.
It'll be fun.
you haven't seen my feet
Wanna borrow my pressure washer JT ?
my point is that I seriously wonder just how "Christian" people who claim to be Christians actually are.
What do you care ? What about someone who's Jewish, are they Jewish enough ? Anyone claiming to be a Christian is not perfect so their will always be faults as well. It's that they strive to be, or the journey if you will and it's a never ending quest.
Wanna borrow my pressure washer JT ?
Get the sandblaster ready too... just in case.
:-)
my point is that I seriously wonder just how "Christian" people who claim to be Christians actually are.
Not being a Christian, what do you know about being a Christian?
For the record, compared to Christ, I'm a total screw up.
you aren't a woman, what do you know about a fetus?
you aren't a woman, what do you know about a fetus?
I was a fetus.
That makes me a fucking expert.
how do you know I wasn't a Christian?
well, at least you've figured out that fucking is usually required
how do you know I wasn't a Christian?
I'm making an assumption based on the many things you've said. Maybe I read you totally wrong.
Are you a Christian? Do you believe Jesus Christ to be the Messiah?
no...seriously...wash my feet, Christian
Christ washed the feet of his disciples as an example. I don't think Christ would have washed the feet of Satan. I could be wrong.
Are you saying that crabby is Satan, jethro?
How . . . Christian of you.
Satan is usually depicted with hooves.
Are you saying that crabby is Satan, jethro?
I didn't say that. But I wouldn't argue with anyone that said that crabs was doing Satan's work.
I'd have to actually believe in him first...
you are the one who believes in such a thing, bodine...not me.
you can do Satan's work without belieng in him, crabs. Why? Because Satan believes in you.
"Sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace." Bob Dylan
so what are you saying, Rick? That crabs could be Satan?
So you're not a man of peace, jethro?
Yes I am a man of peace, peace through strength. From what I can gather from crabs he is a man of peace through weakness. He has said he doesn't want to appear to be a threat and he believes he'll be left alone. What nonsense.
Perhaps it takes greater strength to resist violence in any instance than to give into the primal desire for aggression. Carl Sagan called it the R-Factor, as in reptilian.
Maybe what you consider strength is actually weakness and the age old instincts of lower creatures.
Perhaps it takes greater strength to resist violence in any instance than to give into the primal desire for aggression. Self defense is not agression.
Maybe what you consider strength is actually weakness and the age old instincts of lower creatures. Maybe you think too much. It sometimes overcomes common sense.
See, there's an example of why I told you to Fuck-Off....that kinda shit.
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So you're not going to vote for Kerry?
>See, there's an example of why I told you to Fuck-Off....that kinda shit.Â
No you told me to fuck off a bunch of times even before that because you flew off the handle as usual.
30 years ago or today it's wrong. It's legal and should be but it's still wrong.
>In YOUR Opinion. In my opinion, it is a wasted argument that conservatives can use to paint all Dems as Traitors. It's nothing less.
So you'd just walk away ? Suddenly you have no opinion about it? O.K fine. It's my opinion and many others as well. Then next time you're doing all the work your doing for them ask them if they dislike the flag being used like that.
>There you go again...more shitty, mocking-plattitudes.
How is that mocking? It was a simple question. Read what I said, ask the others you're helping if they dislike the flag being used like that. Sorry if you can't handle a question.
>I have neighbors on each side of me who are WWII Vets. They are NOT voting for GDubbya, and they don't talk to me or anyone I know of about deuchebags that stomp on the flag, because it is a non-issue, made into an issue that can be used to paint all Liberals as Traitors...nothing more, nothing less. I have never heard anyone up here get in a tizzy over that non-issue in fact, because they are usually too busy fishing.
I don't care what someone's party affiliation is. It's simply wrong.
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>Here's some info for you LUV. Last weeken (Saturday in fact), I helped retire over 2,500 U.S. Flags, up here at The Vet's Camp. There were about 125 visitors, and we all shared a moment of silence for those who had given their lives in it's name, a prayer for those who wanted to participate in one, and then we retired-burned them all on a Khe-Sahn, just as is prescribed by law. That ceremony happens each year up here. We retire thousands of Flags that have been flown over VFW/Legion Posts, the State Capitol, Caskets, and any others which are tattered/old, and from as far away as the Capitol in D.C. and ALL of the 50 states. Over 4000 last year. I didn't see you here, by the way??? We retire more Flags on that day and in our ceremonies than any other Veteran's Group in America, fact. I am not bragging, I am merely telling you so you will stop trying to lecture me on "The Flag Issue"....K? I know it well, and I do NOT waste any energy on it any longer. I was saluting and honoring that Flag with my father, before you were born. I lost a brother to a war, and to our flag. I served that flag myself, remember? I actually post the laws reguarding the use of the Flag each year up here. The people who are here on that day use it as a time when they can teach THEIR kids, as my father taught me.
That's awesome Bill, it really is. and no I'm not mocking you, I mean it, I brought two flags a few weeks back to the VFW in White Bear. The snide comment about me not being there was uncalled for. As I told you I do as much volunteering as I can I simply don't wish to talk about it.
Anyway, Knowing what you do and feeling how you do about the flag how can you not take issue with it? It's o.k to disagree with someone who would mock the flag like that. It doesn't mean you can't support Kerry. It doesn't even make that person a traitor. I don't think people are traitors for burning or mocking the flag I just think it sucks, regardless of politics. The flag means a hell of alot to me as well and politics aside I'd take issue with anyone doing so. You don't have to respond but let's say Kerry was just some guy protesting and they did that what would you think? I would simply think they're morons. I wouldn't call them traitors etc. That's a serious charge, I just think they'd be wrong and I'd let them know.
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Lastly, yes I do work hard for Veterans and Veteran's causes, each and every day. I am involved in so many different and interesting causes that my life is quite rewarding... Hey, maybe you would like to join me at the VAMC on the 27th of June, to visit patients out there?Just let me know... I'll tell you what time and where we will be. I'll be there, as will several of my friends from the DAV, and I am sure they would love to see any Veteran who cares about them enough to take two hours of their life and devote it to men&women who are for the most part, dying out there, aloneand in many cases forgotten. I take pride in that small-service, and you can make fun of it all you want
Why would I make fun of that ? Geez. E-gram me the info. If I can make it work I'll see what I can do.
>but when YOU come up next season to participate in our Flag-Retirement Ceremonies? That'sthe day I'll start taking you seriously.
Nevermind on the above. I'll continue to do other the other work I do for vets and non vets, spending 2 hours with you at this point doesn't sound very interesting. Tell you what I'll start taking you seriously when you can debate or discuss things like a grown up. I've met 14 year olds that are more mature than you. You're supposedly in your 50's. You'd think by now someone that age could take a little criticisim or even debate without acting like a kid on a playground. Then again considering how often you forget the facts of an item maybe the playground is the best place for you.
Until then, you can puff your chest out all you want and claim the higher moral-ground on the "Flag Issue", and the make believe "Mocking Statements" you claim Kerry made about WWII Veterans & Iwo Jima, but you are NOT a participant...you are just lecturing me. Big deal...Torpedo does that.Â
How do you know what Torpedo does or doesn't do? How do you know what I do or don't do? Because I wasn't there with you I wasn't or don't do anything, gee I didn't know you could be eveywhere Bill, tell us how you do it. I've never seen a picture of Torpedo with an upside down flag mocking the Iwo raising. I can agree and disagree with Torpedo without it resorting to schoolyard tactics. He's also never stabbed me in the back either.
Oh so if you don't do something you can't have an opinion on it? There's some volunteer work I'm doing that will take about 4-5 days at the end of July
Wanna come so I take you seriously ? So if you don't do all the events I do then you don't deserve an opinion or visa versa? You know zip about me and what I do and that's fine with me. I don't go around telling people good deeds I do out of a belief I have. I don't answer to people like you because I have to have respect for the person. You get what you give Bill. So to take a page from the Bill Fold school of how to make friends and influence people. Screw you and the tired horse you rode in on.
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The playground thing is right.
I've bought flags from the VFW. Donated to them. Fold then accuses me of thumping my chest. He does it nearly every time he posts. Thumping that is. But that's ok because he's a vet? Yes, it is tired.
what happend to the text?
nevermind, i think.
How about it, fold? Como? TMK was kind enough to find it for you?
Still waiting, Mr. Bill.