The demonstrations outside the U.S. consulates in Johannesburg and Cape Town were part of a series of planned International Day of Action protests in Germany, Cameroon, Kenya, Zimbabwe, the United States and elsewhere in South Africa.
Wouldn't it be smarter to protest policy of their own leaders?Â
from JT"s link: Hundreds of demonstrators marched Thursday to protest U.S. policies on AIDS demanding that President Bush do more to treat and prevent the disease.
I am sure Bush is doing all he should do. Having safe sex and not sharing needles.
Bush has put more money into aids than any other president or nation. Yet, it's still not enough and he should do more to treat and prevent it? What, do they want George to put the condom on for them and hand them a new needle everytime they're jonesing?  Here's an idea, stop screwing without protection and shooting up. Great strides have been made in the fight against aids, it also takes a little action on the part of others.
Anyone read Hitchens eviscerating of Moore's new cartoonmovie?
Keep in mind Hitch is a liberal from way back. Some exerpts.
"To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.
He prefers leaden sarcasm to irony and, indeed, may not appreciate the distinction. In a long and paranoid (and tedious) section at the opening of the film, he makes heavy innuendoes about the flights that took members of the Bin Laden family out of the country after Sept. 11. I banged on about this myself at the time and wrote a Nation column drawing attention to the groveling Larry King interview with the insufferable Prince Bandar, which Moore excerpts. However, recent developments have not been kind to our Mike. In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights. And Richard Clarke, Bush's former chief of counterterrorism, has come forward to say that
, took the responsibility for authorizing those Saudi departures. This might not matter so much to the ethos of Fahrenheit 9/11, except that—as you might expect—Clarke is presented throughout as the brow-furrowed ethical hero of the entire post-9/11 moment.
A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims.
That this—his pro-American moment—was the worst Moore could possibly say of Saddam's depravity is further suggested by some astonishing falsifications. Moore asserts that Iraq under Saddam had never attacked or killed or even threatened (his words) any American. I never quite know whether Moore is as ignorant as he looks, or even if that would be humanly possible. Baghdad
was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna
and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)
Thus, in spite of the film's loaded bias against the work of the mind, you can grasp even while watching it that Michael Moore has just said, in so many words, the one thing that no reflective or informed person can possibly believe: that Saddam Hussein was no problem. No problem at all. Now look again at the facts I have cited above. If these things had been allowed to happen under any other administration, you can be sure that Moore and others would now glibly be accusing the president of ignoring, or of having ignored, some fairly unmistakable "warnings."
The same "let's have it both ways" opportunism infects his treatment of another very serious subject, namely domestic counterterrorist policy.
In response to Cheney, Leahy reminded Cheney that the vice president had once accused him of being a bad Catholic, to which Cheney replied either "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself."
You tell him, Dick!
"I think he was just having a bad day," said Leahy, "and I was kind of shocked to hear that kind of language on the floor."
Oh yeah, like you've never heard the word before, you little wussy.
A Tennessee man who has been sending medallions to the surviving relatives of servicemen and women and police officers who die in the line of duty says the U.S. Army has told him it can no longer help him because the mementos have Bible verses on them, reports WBIR-TV.
Bob Parker’s “Fallen Friends” organization has been sending out the medals, which feature a Liberty Bell on one side and a verse from John about self-sacrifice on the reverse, since 1996. The Army recently informed him, however, that because of the religious reference it would no longer be able to supply him with names and ranks of the fallen.
Parker says that the Army, which did not confirm the gist of the story, has returned the last 16 medals he attempted to distribute.
The historical society in a Massachusetts town is so worried about language on historical markers being offensive to modern sensibilities that it has taken to placing covers on them, reports the Boston Globe.
The markers in Deerfield, Mass. mark spots where, in 1704, French and Indian forces attacked settlers. Some contain references to ''savages" and ''Negro servants" that are now considered offensive.
Where one marble tablet originally read, ''Mary, adopted by an Indian, was named Walahowey. She married a savage, and became one," it now reads, ''She married a Kanien'kehaka and adopted the culture, customs and language of her new community in Kahnawake."
One couple said they were incensed by the changes.
Rose and James Matthews wrote in a letter to the historical society, ''We condemn your attempt to create a warm and fuzzy feeling for our Colonial history because of political correctness or personal attitudes. What will you do next? . . . [claim] the hatchet marks were actually tooth marks made by tall mice seeking shelter from the cold?"
U.S. Representatives in Ohio are calling for the head of a U.S. Department of Agriculture official who suggested that not all people using food stamps fall into the ‘needy’ category, reports the Ohio News Network.
In response to one of those newspaper perennials, a weeklong series on poverty in the Columbus Dispatch, Eric Bost, the Agriculture Department's undersecretary for the Food and Nutrition Service, said he was sceptical of claims made by hunger advocates that food needs among the poor were increasing
"There's a bump, but how much of that is due to people taking the easy way out? I don't know," Bost was quoted as saying.
A group of Ohio Democrats said the remark "displayed a disparaging attitude toward the victims of hunger and an astonishing lack of awareness of what is happening beyond the beltway ... It is clear to us that your callous and biased attitude make you unfit for the high position you hold."
Bob Parker’s “Fallen Friends” organization has been sending out the medals, which feature a Liberty Bell on one side and a verse from John about self-sacrifice on the reverse, since 1996.
did it ever occur to him that it might offend some of the recipients?
I mean, would you want him to send out unsolicited medals to the families of the dead with a verse from the Satanic Bible from it?
perhaps we could console these folks with these words....
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
did it ever occur to him that it might offend some of the recipients?
Did it occur to you that the reciepent should be tolerant and grateful that someone was trying to be thoughtful. No, of course it wouldn't occur to you.
Did it occur to you that the reciepent should be tolerant and grateful that someone was trying to be thoughtful. No, of course it wouldn't occur to you.
so, they should be grateful to the Sataist who sends along the message of vengence?
You did. You do understand the concept of Satan, don't you? I mean you talk enough about him so you should. But you, being a liberal, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't. You guys are always talking about stuff that you don't know anything about.
Moore's film opened here today to disappointing numbers according to the local news. "Still plenty of seats available", they said. Of course the exit interviews were from the 18-25 year old group saying what a wonderful film it is.
B as in B S as in S they should have ran it along the 394 corridor that would have at least made money, or they could have run it from St. cloud to Mpls. Or better yet they could have used existing track which is being torn up for bike trails and already had the whole thing up and running.
You think transportation planners are so stupid that they would forgo a place that would make money? Why would they do that? You think you see something that they don't? Some possibility they haven't considered?
Where is the track along 394. Is there trck adjacent the highway somewhere? What bike trails are you talking about? -- that little Greenway project in south Minneapolis? Can those tracks get people anywhere? The airport, the mall? Downtown?
This section involved the least amount of land acquisition and was the most doable.. The matching federal funds were available.
Here's the deal as I recall. The state owned the land. There was nothing to acquire, which, legally would take years. You have to approach landowners. Wrangle, condemn, the whole enchilada.
This is a place to start. Here's the deal. NONE of the routes you talk would turn a profit. Does a non-toll highway turn a profit? Does a non-toll bridge turn a profit? No. They're all expenses. This is an expense. It's not a business.
New York Times: "['Fahrenheit 9/11,'] is many things: a partisan rallying cry, an angry polemic, a muckraking inquisition into the use and abuse of power. But one thing it is not is a fair and nuanced picture of the president and his policies. What did you expect? Mr. Moore is often impolite, rarely subtle and occasionally unwise. He can be obnoxious, tendentious and maddeningly self-contradictory. He can drive even his most ardent admirers crazy. He is a credit to the republic." - A.O. Scott
Los Angeles Times: "Moore has made an overwhelming film. It is propaganda, no doubt about it, but propaganda is most effective when it has elements of truth, and too much here is taken from the record not to have a devastating effect on viewers..."
Fox News: "Once 'F9/11' gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.
THAT, isbullshit. That AIDS Bill, you sacks-o-shit, was for  AIDS/HIV funding for projects WORLDWIDE and especially in the Sub-Saharan African nations, NOT here at home, as I quite correctly pointed out. That is what I meant, and that is STILL a fact.
So now we're sacks o' shit? Take you all day to think of that one Fold ?
Here's what I said.
Bush has put more money into aids than any other president or nation.
And you responded with BULLSHIT! Of course you have no facts to back it up as usual and go on some rant with zero facts again but that's your m.o. So here's your chance Bill tell me that the US doesn't spend more on aids than other nations, show me that aids spending under Bush isn't higher than ever before. And yes that includes foreign and domestic.
You go on to say......
We have Hospitals and Schools being built with taxpayer money in IRAQ, AIDS prevention and care bills costing $15 Billion for OTHER nations, and on and on and on.
But back a few posts you said.
No new alternative strategies are soon to be coming. AIDS is killing half of Africa, and the numbers of infected people are rising all over the world.Â
So which is it, you're either upset he's not doing enough or too little ?
HEhasn't spent a DIME in Africa. WEhave.
Yea, that's pretty much the way it works Fold congrats.
So please do feel free to come forward with your facts showing the US is spending less on aids at home and abroad.
You are easily pleased lately Rob, perhaps because you don't use the VA System...?
Again, you know zip about me.
By the way... Missed you last Sunday. Lots of guys out there now who are missing limbs and seriously injured in many other ways...Thanks to IRAQ.
Couldn't find the VAMC, or the time?
Toot Toot!
No actually Bill I spent most of the weekend at my Mom's house trying to help her out since she is tired and weak from her chemotherapy but nice of you to ask where I was. Â
Go Fuck Yourself.
Ooh, the master of wit strikes again, ouch, that means so much coming from someone the likes of you.
Michael Moore's anti-Bush film breaks the single-day records at the two New York theaters.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/24/news/midcaps/fahrenheit.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
Protesters Decry Bush AIDS Policy
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123654,00.html
The demonstrations outside the U.S. consulates in Johannesburg and Cape Town were part of a series of planned International Day of Action protests in Germany, Cameroon, Kenya, Zimbabwe, the United States and elsewhere in South Africa.
Wouldn't it be smarter to protest policy of their own leaders?Â
from JT"s link: Hundreds of demonstrators marched Thursday to protest U.S. policies on AIDS demanding that President Bush do more to treat and prevent the disease.
I am sure Bush is doing all he should do. Having safe sex and not sharing needles.
Bush has put more money into aids than any other president or nation. Yet, it's still not enough and he should do more to treat and prevent it? What, do they want George to put the condom on for them and hand them a new needle everytime they're jonesing?  Here's an idea, stop screwing without protection and shooting up. Great strides have been made in the fight against aids, it also takes a little action on the part of others.
Anyone read Hitchens eviscerating of Moore's new
cartoonmovie?Keep in mind Hitch is a liberal from way back. Some exerpts.
"To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.
He prefers leaden sarcasm to irony and, indeed, may not appreciate the distinction. In a long and paranoid (and tedious) section at the opening of the film, he makes heavy innuendoes about the flights that took members of the Bin Laden family out of the country after Sept. 11. I banged on about this myself at the time and wrote a Nation column drawing attention to the groveling Larry King interview with the insufferable Prince Bandar, which Moore excerpts. However, recent developments have not been kind to our Mike. In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights. And Richard Clarke, Bush's former chief of counterterrorism, has come forward to say that
he, and he alone
, took the responsibility for authorizing those Saudi departures. This might not matter so much to the ethos of Fahrenheit 9/11, except that—as you might expect—Clarke is presented throughout as the brow-furrowed ethical hero of the entire post-9/11 moment.
A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims.
That this—his pro-American moment—was the worst Moore could possibly say of Saddam's depravity is further suggested by some astonishing falsifications. Moore asserts that Iraq under Saddam had never attacked or killed or even threatened (his words) any American. I never quite know whether Moore is as ignorant as he looks, or even if that would be humanly possible.
Baghdad
was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna
*
and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)
Thus, in spite of the film's loaded bias against the work of the mind, you can grasp even while watching it that Michael Moore has just said, in so many words, the one thing that no reflective or informed person can possibly believe: that Saddam Hussein was no problem. No problem at all. Now look again at the facts I have cited above. If these things had been allowed to happen under any other administration, you can be sure that Moore and others would now glibly be accusing the president of ignoring, or of having ignored, some fairly unmistakable "warnings."
The same "let's have it both ways" opportunism infects his treatment of another very serious subject, namely domestic counterterrorist policy.
Entire article.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/Â
Cheney curses senator over Halliburton criticism
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/cheney.leahy/index.html
In response to Cheney, Leahy reminded Cheney that the vice president had once accused him of being a bad Catholic, to which Cheney replied either "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself."
You tell him, Dick!
"I think he was just having a bad day," said Leahy, "and I was kind of shocked to hear that kind of language on the floor."
Oh yeah, like you've never heard the word before, you little wussy.
If any there is anyone that deserves to be talked to that way Leahy is one of them.
The Europeans must get a laugh if they ever hear someone talk about "the coarsening of American culture"
We've always been coarse people.
A Tennessee man who has been sending medallions to the surviving relatives of servicemen and women and police officers who die in the line of duty says the U.S. Army has told him it can no longer help him because the mementos have Bible verses on them, reports WBIR-TV.
Bob Parker’s “Fallen Friends” organization has been sending out the medals, which feature a Liberty Bell on one side and a verse from John about self-sacrifice on the reverse, since 1996. The Army recently informed him, however, that because of the religious reference it would no longer be able to supply him with names and ranks of the fallen.
Parker says that the Army, which did not confirm the gist of the story, has returned the last 16 medals he attempted to distribute.
The historical society in a Massachusetts town is so worried about language on historical markers being offensive to modern sensibilities that it has taken to placing covers on them, reports the Boston Globe.
The markers in Deerfield, Mass. mark spots where, in 1704, French and Indian forces attacked settlers. Some contain references to ''savages" and ''Negro servants" that are now considered offensive.
Where one marble tablet originally read, ''Mary, adopted by an Indian, was named Walahowey. She married a savage, and became one," it now reads, ''She married a Kanien'kehaka and adopted the culture, customs and language of her new community in Kahnawake."
One couple said they were incensed by the changes.
Rose and James Matthews wrote in a letter to the historical society, ''We condemn your attempt to create a warm and fuzzy feeling for our Colonial history because of political correctness or personal attitudes. What will you do next? . . . [claim] the hatchet marks were actually tooth marks made by tall mice seeking shelter from the cold?"
U.S. Representatives in Ohio are calling for the head of a U.S. Department of Agriculture official who suggested that not all people using food stamps fall into the ‘needy’ category, reports the Ohio News Network.
In response to one of those newspaper perennials, a weeklong series on poverty in the Columbus Dispatch, Eric Bost, the Agriculture Department's undersecretary for the Food and Nutrition Service, said he was sceptical of claims made by hunger advocates that food needs among the poor were increasing
"There's a bump, but how much of that is due to people taking the easy way out? I don't know," Bost was quoted as saying.
A group of Ohio Democrats said the remark "displayed a disparaging attitude toward the victims of hunger and an astonishing lack of awareness of what is happening beyond the beltway ... It is clear to us that your callous and biased attitude make you unfit for the high position you hold."
did it ever occur to him that it might offend some of the recipients?
I mean, would you want him to send out unsolicited medals to the families of the dead with a verse from the Satanic Bible from it?
perhaps we could console these folks with these words....
okay with you, bodine?
did it ever occur to him that it might offend some of the recipients?
Did it occur to you that the reciepent should be tolerant and grateful that someone was trying to be thoughtful. No, of course it wouldn't occur to you.
crabs wrote: IÂ mean, would you want him to send out unsolicited medals to the families of the dead with a verse from the Satanic Bible from it?
I would be tolerant, say nothing to the sender and then shove it up your ass, crabs.
so, they should be grateful to the Sataist who sends along the message of vengence?
so, it's okay with you if the Army gives out your name to the Church of Satan?
so, they should be grateful to the Sataist who sends along the message of vengence?
Your ignorance knows no bounds, crabs. You can not equate good with evil. But then you can't becuase you don't know the difference.
who said anything about evil?
so, it's okay with you if the Army gives out your name to the Church of Satan?
Being as they are public employees the names would be public record. There certainly wasn't a problem before.
who said anything about evil?
You did. You do understand the concept of Satan, don't you? I mean you talk enough about him so you should. But you, being a liberal, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't. You guys are always talking about stuff that you don't know anything about.
so why was the Army supplying this guy with names?
I understand it's something manufactured by Christians.
I understand it's something manufactured by Christians.
You understand very little
Moore's film opened here today to disappointing numbers according to the local news. "Still plenty of seats available", they said. Of course the exit interviews were from the 18-25 year old group saying what a wonderful film it is.
A city on the move
It's a big waste of money.
How many people do they really think will travel from DT MPLS to Fort Snelling, the airport, & MOA?
It's not that I disagree with Light Rail. I disagree with the route.
Gotta start somewhere. This was the most practical route to build from.
B as in B S as in S they should have ran it along the 394 corridor that would have at least made money, or they could have run it from St. cloud to Mpls.
Or better yet they could have used existing track which is being torn up for bike trails and already had the whole thing up and running.
You think transportation planners are so stupid that they would forgo a place that would make money? Why would they do that? You think you see something that they don't? Some possibility they haven't considered?
Where is the track along 394. Is there trck adjacent the highway somewhere? What bike trails are you talking about? -- that little Greenway project in south Minneapolis? Can those tracks get people anywhere? The airport, the mall? Downtown?
This section involved the least amount of land acquisition and was the most doable.. The matching federal funds were available.
Look at a map thay are every where.
Gotta start somewhere. This was the most practical route to build from.
It's a dumbass route.
You think transportation planners are so stupid that they would forgo a place that would make money?
Yes, and I'll prove it in coming months. Shit, the buses can't even pay for themselves. They're 65% taxpayer supported.
Why would they do that?
Because their idiots.
You think you see something that they don't? Some possibility they haven't considered?
Anyone that commutes in the Twin Cities sees it.
"Because their idiots. It's a dumbass route."
What are you, 12? You write like a kid.
Here's the deal as I recall. The state owned the land. There was nothing to acquire, which, legally would take years. You have to approach landowners. Wrangle, condemn, the whole enchilada.
This is a place to start. Here's the deal. NONE of the routes you talk would turn a profit. Does a non-toll highway turn a profit? Does a non-toll bridge turn a profit? No. They're all expenses. This is an expense. It's not a business.
not directly, no.
but if it takes people to a business where they make money which in turn provides tax revenue, then yes.
What are you, 12? You write like a kid.
Ok, so I write like I'm 12. That doesn't change the fact that LR is a big waste of money.
Wow big crowd average of 4 riders per train hmm it would be cheaper to fly them by helicopter.
it would be cheaper to fly them by helicopter.
Don't give them any ideas.
New York Times: "['Fahrenheit 9/11,'] is many things: a partisan rallying cry, an angry polemic, a muckraking inquisition into the use and abuse of power. But one thing it is not is a fair and nuanced picture of the president and his policies. What did you expect? Mr. Moore is often impolite, rarely subtle and occasionally unwise. He can be obnoxious, tendentious and maddeningly self-contradictory. He can drive even his most ardent admirers crazy. He is a credit to the republic." - A.O. Scott
Los Angeles Times: "Moore has made an overwhelming film. It is propaganda, no doubt about it, but propaganda is most effective when it has elements of truth, and too much here is taken from the record not to have a devastating effect on viewers..."
Fox News: "Once 'F9/11' gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.
Lies are brilliant work? The end must be near.
And propoganda is just great.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124014,00.html
What was Bush 41 thinking when he put Souter on the bench? It must have been the absolute worst thing he did.
New video shows a 12 week old unborn child "walking" in the womb.
link
President Signs HIV/AIDS Act
Remarks by the President on the Signing of H.R. 1298, the U.S. Leadership Against Hiv/Aids, Tuberculosis and Malaria Act of 2003
The Supreme Court get things ass backwards, again. They say government can regulate political speech but not porn. See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124138,00.html
Grandpa Dan Zachary 6/29/04 4:28am
Careful Dan, don't throw facts at him since he doesn't bother to look at any, of course he can't refute that Bush
HAS
spent more on AIDS than any other president so he'll just call it bullshit.
Â
and it is the Congress that appropriates the funds anyway
How come you never have that mentality when you're talking about Reagn and his Democrat Congress?
and it is the Congress that appropriates the funds anyway
How come you never have that mentality when you're talking about Reagn and his Democrat Congress?
Or Vets issues.
Couldn't find the VAMC, or the time?
That's your little pet project not his.
If I were Rob I'd tell you to eat shit and die, but I'm not Rob so I won't.
THAT, isbullshit. That AIDS Bill, you sacks-o-shit, was for  AIDS/HIV funding for projects WORLDWIDE and especially in the Sub-Saharan African nations, NOT here at home, as I quite correctly pointed out. That is what I meant, and that is STILL
a fact.
So now we're sacks o' shit? Take you all day to think of that one Fold ?
Here's what I said.
Bush has put more money into aids than any other president or nation.
And you responded with
BULLSHIT!
Of course you have no facts to back it up as usual and go on some rant with zero facts again but that's your m.o. So here's your chance Bill tell me that the US doesn't spend more on aids than other nations, show me that aids spending under Bush isn't higher than ever before. And yes that includes foreign and domestic.
You go on to say......
We have Hospitals and Schools being built with taxpayer money in IRAQ, AIDS prevention and care bills costing $15 Billion for OTHER nations, and on and on and on.
But back a few posts you said.
No new alternative strategies are soon to be coming. AIDS is killing half of Africa, and the numbers of infected people are rising all over the world.Â
So which is it, you're either upset he's not doing enough or too little ?
HEhasn't spent a DIME in Africa. WEhave.
Yea, that's pretty much the way it works Fold congrats.
So please do feel free to come forward with your facts showing the US is spending less on aids at home and abroad.
You are easily pleased lately Rob, perhaps because you don't use the VA System...?
Again, you know zip about me.
By the way... Missed you last Sunday. Lots of guys out there now who are missing limbs and seriously injured in many other ways...Thanks to IRAQ.
Couldn't find the VAMC, or the time?
Toot Toot!
No actually Bill I spent most of the weekend at my Mom's house trying to help her out since she is tired and weak from her chemotherapy but nice of you to ask where I was. Â
Go Fuck Yourself.
Ooh, the master of wit strikes again, ouch, that means so much coming from someone the likes of you.
THX 1138 6/30/04 6:07am
It's not worth my time. Not a bad idea though :)
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