your law also makes that assumption and it's not a very accurate assumption.
and even if they are willing, how does that absolve the male of creating a fetus that may be aborted? The woman doesn't need to be willing to have sex, the woman needs to be willing to give birth to a child. If that isn't there, then the man has no right impregnating her.
He shouldn't have gotten someone pregnant, but he has zero say in whether she has an abortion or not.
he failed his responsibility already...He created a fetus inside a woman who doesn't want a fetus inside her.
what about holding the impregnator responsible by controlling their bodies by means of sterilization?
For the record, Crabby doesn't believe in the taking of another human life, that is, unless it's a defenseless unborn child...then he has no problem whatsoever.
For the record, Crabby doesn't believe in the taking of another human life, that is, unless it's a defenseless unborn child...then he has no problem whatsoever.
for the record, I have never had an abortion nor caused one to have to be considered.
I just don't believe in interfeing with someone else's medical care.
The Vatican has long championed the case of Gianna Beretta Molla, an Italian pediatrician who died in 1962 at the age of 39 -- a week after giving birth to her fourth child.
Doctors had told her it was dangerous to proceed with the pregnancy because she had a tumor in her uterus, but she insisted on carrying the baby to term.
You did say "She emanates respect for human life, except for herself." That sounds like an objection to me. Unless respect for human life means nothing to you.
But as secular and humanistic influences have gained ascendance in our culture, I've anticipated the day when moral relativists would become so brazen as to discard their reliance on the argument that "the fetus is not a human life."
Indeed, with the breathtaking scientific and technological advances -- such as the discovery that a baby in the womb smiles and feels pain -- it's practically inevitable that the pro-aborts will be forced to abandon that argument.
It's been flying over Minneapolis last coupla days. A banner is trailing behind it. On the banner it says Stop The War and it shows a picture of a fetus with something about abortion and a telephone number, I think.
One reason for the new push against abortion is powerful 3D images that are now possible with the latest in ultrasound technology. It produces pictures from the womb in more detail than ever before — moving, yawning, even appearing to smile.
Something tells me he's misusing the word fallacy, and that type of ignorance is a pet peeve of mine.
The word "fallacy" means: a false notion. I wrote: "You would know about fallacies, Demon, your entire life is built upon them." Therefore, I used the term properly and quite accurately I might add. Maybe you should get a dictionary.
Don't be too hard on Damon. He is young and has recently graduated from an establishment known to try to liberalize young minds. With luck, he will mature and realize that his current views of the world aren't all that accurate.
it's a truth you ignore to justify your desire to control women.
men are impregnating women with children that they don't want to have.
it's a truth you ignore to justify your desire to control women.
It has nothing to do with controlling women, and everything to do with protecting innocent babies.
men are impregnating women with children that they don't want to have.
It takes two to tango.
You could say, women are getting impregnated by men they don't want to have children with.
it's a truth you ignore to justify your desire to control women.
That I or those that want to end abortion want to control is just another lie you perpetuate.
you don't want to endanger babies, don't create any that may be endangered.
and you could say gun shot victims are being shot by people they don't want to shoot them, so they are responsible for the bullet holes.
and so the man is just as responsible for the murder as anyone.
you don't want to endanger babies, don't create any that may be endangered.
I don't disagree with you really.
and you could say gun shot victims are being shot by people they don't want to shoot them, so they are responsible for the bullet holes.
It's a little different. I'm assuming the women are willingly having sex. I'm not making that assumption with the bullet holes.
and so the man is just as responsible for the murder as anyone.
Almost as responsible.
He shouldn't have gotten someone pregnant, but he has zero say in whether she has an abortion or not.
The final responsibility rests on the woman.
your law also makes that assumption and it's not a very accurate assumption.
and even if they are willing, how does that absolve the male of creating a fetus that may be aborted? The woman doesn't need to be willing to have sex, the woman needs to be willing to give birth to a child. If that isn't there, then the man has no right impregnating her.
he failed his responsibility already...He created a fetus inside a woman who doesn't want a fetus inside her.
what about holding the impregnator responsible by controlling their bodies by means of sterilization?
you still haven't addressed this question
your law also makes that assumption and it's not a very accurate assumption.
Yeah, most women that have abortions are raped.
::slams head on desk::
The woman doesn't need to be willing to have sex, the woman needs to be willing to give birth to a child.
If she's willing to have sex, she should pay the consequences. The child shouldn't have to pay.
what about holding the impregnator responsible by controlling their bodies by means of sterilization?
Sure. I'm all for that.
We should also sterilize any/every woman that has an abortion.
so, you are okay with abortion when rape is involved?
if HE'S willing to have sex, he should pay the consequences. The consequences are he may be part of what you consider a murder.
so, I assume you are first in line for the sterilization?
sometimes, women have to choose abortion to avoid becoming sterile.
For the record, Crabby doesn't believe in the taking of another human life, that is, unless it's a defenseless unborn child...then he has no problem whatsoever.
for the record, I have never had an abortion nor caused one to have to be considered.
I just don't believe in interfeing with someone else's medical care.
So, Von, you meet the woman in that picture at an anti-abortion rally?
She emanates respect for human life, except for herself.
so, you are okay with abortion when rape is involved?
No.
if HE'S willing to have sex, he should pay the consequences.
He does. It's called child support.
The consequences are he may be part of what you consider a murder.
I don't disagree with you there. The flaw in your argument is, a man cannot force a woman to have an abortion, nor can he prevent her from doing so.
so, I assume you are first in line for the sterilization?
I've never gotten anyone pregnant. I've also never had sex with a woman that wasn't willing to have a child with me.
sometimes, women have to choose abortion to avoid becoming sterile.
Very, very rarely. It's just another justification.
not so rare as you think.
and it's not justification to the woman who has to deal with it. It's all too real.
and how can you justify forcing a woman who was raped to birth the child of her rapist?
Anti-abortion mother made a saint
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/05/16/vatican.saints.ap/index.html
The Vatican has long championed the case of Gianna Beretta Molla, an Italian pediatrician who died in 1962 at the age of 39 -- a week after giving birth to her fourth child.
Doctors had told her it was dangerous to proceed with the pregnancy because she had a tumor in her uterus, but she insisted on carrying the baby to term.
this is the same Vatican that paid for the covering up of the sexual abuse of children, right?
You're so viciously hostile to religion Crabs, it's become comical. The mere mention of it produces the same predictable, knee-jerk response.
Rick, did it ever occur to you that the girl in Von's pic might be having a little fun? You do remember what that is, right?
Hey Torp, what would you think if that picture was of your daughter?
Can you honestly say you wouldn't be very disappointed in her?
this is the same Vatican that paid for the covering up of the sexual abuse of children, right?
No, it's the other Vatican.
Are you against abortion in the case of a rape, JT?
You can't use "what ifs", JT. I was poking fun at Rick's arrow straight lifestyle.
Are you against abortion in the case of a rape, JT?
Yes, but I would allow it in that case.
You can't use "what ifs", JT.
Sure I can. I know how I'd feel in that "What if" situation.
I was poking fun at Rick's arrow straight lifestyle.
I know. I just happen to agree with Rick on this one. Not that I consider myself that uptight.
She emanates respect for human life, except for herself.
What is it that you object to, Rick?
I didn't object to anything.
You did say "She emanates respect for human life, except for herself." That sounds like an objection to me. Unless respect for human life means nothing to you.
Respect for human life means nothing to me, jethro. Nothing! -- get it? got it? good!
Really? Well you are a liberal after all. I shouldn't be surprised!
But as secular and humanistic influences have gained ascendance in our culture, I've anticipated the day when moral relativists would become so brazen as to discard their reliance on the argument that "the fetus is not a human life."
Indeed, with the breathtaking scientific and technological advances -- such as the discovery that a baby in the womb smiles and feels pain -- it's practically inevitable that the pro-aborts will be forced to abandon that argument.
 http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040706.shtml
Anyone seen the Anti-Abortion Airplane?
It's been flying over Minneapolis last coupla days. A banner is trailing behind it. On the banner it says Stop The War and it shows a picture of a fetus with something about abortion and a telephone number, I think.
One reason for the new push against abortion is powerful 3D images that are now possible with the latest in ultrasound technology. It produces pictures from the womb in more detail than ever before — moving, yawning, even appearing to smile.
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126516,00.html
abortion>jethro
What a punk.
Torpedo=abortion that lived
You know I wouldn't object if Demon were to be aborted.
that's just heartless, morality superior
Hey I personally wouldn't abort you, Demon, but it could be someone else's personal choice.
indeed, it would be.
but that's a post hoc fallacy anyway
You would know about fallacies, Demon, you entire life is built upon them.
do you even know what a post hoc fallacy is without looking it up?
What if he doesn't know what post hoc means?
Something tells me he's misusing the word fallacy, and that type of ignorance is a pet peeve of mine.
Something tells me he doesn't give a rip and in fact will use it even more to irritate you.
his repeated ignorance won't annoy me, rather, it will amuse me.
Something tells me he's misusing the word fallacy, and that type of ignorance is a pet peeve of mine.
The word "fallacy" means: a false notion. I wrote: "You would know about fallacies, Demon, your entire life is built upon them." Therefore, I used the term properly and quite accurately I might add. Maybe you should get a dictionary.
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Fallacy: deceptive appearance or; a false or mistaken idea or; erroneous character or; an often plausible argument using false or invalid inference
it's the last of these that "post hoc fallacy" appears to be using
"post hoc" means relating to or being the fallacy of arguing from temporal sequence to a causal relation or; formulated after the fact
this means that "post hoc fallacy" is redundant. Something post hoc is a fallacious concept in and of itself.
you both are using the term incorrectly.
Damon
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Torpedo-8 7/23/04 9:30pm
Don't be too hard on Damon. He is young and has recently graduated from an establishment known to try to liberalize young minds. With luck, he will mature and realize that his current views of the world aren't all that accurate.