How Many Troops Did Those European Nations SendTo Fight WITHus in Korea, compared to now? How much did they "Chip In", then?
19,570 in Korea, 18,622 in Iraq. There are more countries involved in Iraq than in Korea. There were 11,403 troops more foreign troops involved in Korea. Percentage wise it's minor compared ot Iraq. There were 302,000 U.S troops in Korea 130,000 in Iraq. I'm not comparing them battle wise.All I'm saying is that Korea was not unilateral and neither is this.
And, YOU have steadfastly DENIED IRAQ is anything like Vietnam. I say it is, and is becomming more and more of a drag on us DAILY, with the killing going on willy-nilly, and the soldiers coming home in bodybags faster than ever.
To you, we are winning. To me, we are losing, and will continue to lose as long as this dim-bulb named Gdubbyaremains in the White-House.
Iraq is nothing like Vietnam. First of all the majority of people don't want these jihaidiots in their country anymore than you'd want drug dealers in your neighborhood. Second. the populace of Vietnam was not on our side in the majority. They are in Iraq, they'll be glad when they can stand on their own and we leave but most of them are helping and many risk their lives to stand up against these thugs. There's 22 million people in Iraq and 150 k troops. If the majority was against us we'd know about it. The casualty rates don't compare. The political times don't compare. We are making progress. In Nam we never controlled Hanoi, we never set foot in it. The differences are numerous.
Terrezza says Bin Laden will "appear" before election.
Heinz Kerry said she could see the al-Qaida chief being caught before the November election.
"I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in the next month," said Heinz Kerry, alluding to a possible capture by United States and allied forces before election day.
Yes Terrezza we have Bin Laden tied up at a Red Roof Inn somewhere in Idaho. Mickey Moore said we have him too. (pssst Afghanistan was for a pipeline and Bush knew about 9-11) Yes something like that would sure be easy to keep quiet. Please adjust your tinfoil hat and return to one of your mansions.
It's especially hard considering He keeps ordering porn on the pay per view and is constantly asking for Hummus to be delivered to his room. I think the desk clerks are getting suspicious.
My guess is that the troops in general know little until it's time for an actual ops and the intell they get while on them. I mean they know in general who and what  they are looking for but usually they're told Go to objective A and engage B. Some of our S.F, CIA, etc. guys know more regarding the aops they're assigned for and the intell that they are getting from their own ops and interrigations . The people at the top can only go by what they are told by them. But if he had been captured, there's no way in hell to keep that under wraps for long a few days even weeks maybe. But for as long as the theory has been floated no way IMHO would it not leak out.
And what if he was caught before the election. Would it be a bad thing? Â
I still think he's worm food personally. If not I doubt he's in Afghanistan. Probably Pakistan if he hasn't fled the region since our people have to tip toe around there. He's got a shitload of money and sympathiers all over. It's not an easy propostion to find one guy in the middle of all that.
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I agree. We would have seen something from him by now. Maybe a video with him holding up a newspaper with todays date on it or something along those lines just to show his followers that you can get away with the stuff he has done.
All we have seen is video with audio dubbed on it. You mean the guy has millions and controlls jihadists globally but can't get a videocam with a built in mic? I agree He'd be rubbing our noses in it to get his fellow pieces of shit to rise up.
Not a single soul in the world can do that by the "minute and day" and even you know that.
That's how it appears from all of Kerry's flip flopping on the war.
What is important to remember is that he(Kerry) WOULD end it, and our boys and girls would come home MUCH faster, and ALIVE.
How would Kerry end it? Is that what he's stated he would do? Could you be more specific, cuz I don't recall him saying he would end it. What would he do differently? Please be specific.
You of course, do not want to see that happen. Right?
Yeah, I want soldiers to continue dying. I want them coming home in body bags. I want unrest in Iraq. I want the fanatics to control Iraq.
How come YOU aren't over there?
Why aren't you over there?
How come there is no "Draft" and the thousands of Patriots who WANT to fight this War are not over there???
Who here has said they want to fight this war?
How come we didn't fight the WOT to WIN it, in Afghanistan?
I see this as your only valid question, and I don't know the answer. I think we should have our troops in Afghanistan, not in Iraq.
Ralph Nader is the most arrogant and narcissistic guy I've ever met. I had a meeting with him in the early Nineties. I was jazzed going into the meeting, and I was disgusted leaving. I don't think I've ever met a bigger asshole. If he hadn't run in the last election, we wouldn't be in Iraq and thousands of people wouldn't have died needlessly. And still he's well pleased to go in and be the spoiler again!
Harry Truman said that the one crime more heinous than treason is war profiteering, and yet we have the company that our vice president is still on retainer to - which is illegal - making a huge fortune. Every time the terrorists blow up another pipeline over there, Halliburton makes millions of dollars pasting it back together. They don't even have to be pumping oil to be making money. This is who owns our government now.
Though I've never really endorsed a political candidate before, I'm going to have to this time. I liked the look in Kerry's eye when I met him. He looks like an aware human being and a guy with a sense of humor. So we're just going to have to hope and pray that the debates go well.
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**ROCK the VOTE is going to have an Massive IMPACT on this ELECTION**
(the main reason I brought this up is that I know I won't be able to find the "post"..but I know that somebody said that "moveon.org" shouldn't have that much of an impact......heck if Every Deadhead in Florida voted 4 yrs ago...we would have had another story.)
Mike Mills R.E.M. The vote for change tour is a wake-up call. We may alienate some fans over this. I don't like that - I prefer to have music stand apart from political feelings. But this is so important, it's worth it. If I piss a few people off, good. Because, frankly, I'm scared. Unlike a lot of political issues, this is literally life or death. Kerry understands how the world works, in a way that Bush does not. When Bush ran the first time, I realized something: I want my president to be smarter than I am. I don't ask much, but I want him to be smarter than me.
Shock-rock legend Alice Coopercalls rock stars campaigning for Democrat John Kerry treasonous morons.
The 56-year-old Cooper says he was disgusted to learn the likes of Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M., Sheryl Crow, James Taylor and Dave Matthews were hitting the road for a series of concerts designed to help defeat President Bush.
"To me, that's treason," Cooper told the Canadian Press. "I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics."
You won't be joining Bruce Springsteen's Kerry fundraising drive then?
Isn't that weird? All these liberal entertainers that support Kerry are so rich they use their wealth to make them feel good. They employ yes-men to insulate them from discomforting information. The information Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi insulate themselves from is the most important information of all. If we pursue only 'good feeling' things, it causes a gangrene that will kill you. It may hurt to turn around and cut that gangrenous appendage off but you will live. I look at it and go: 'Holy s**t, give me the knife.' It's an insulated cult of denial.
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Should we have no compassion for the downtrodden? Why do we pay for the pimp who is in hospital? Why do we have to support 'alternative' lifestyles? Why do we have to find a cure for Aids? Here's the cure for Aids pal: 'Quit f**king up the ass with no condom and quit sharing needles.' But I'm a homophobe for saying that. I'm not. I'm their friend. I want them to live. Liberals would rather support the lifestyle and see them die. It's unbelievable. I'm the real friend of the downtrodden. I'll say to someone: 'I have a pile of rocks in the driveway that I need moved. I'll pay you good money.' And they don't want to come. The hardest thing in America right now, and I'm sure it's the same in England, is to find someone who is willing to haul some serious ass in order to get a wage.
what was their purpose? Why would it infect mostly gay males?
Last I heard it was mostly africans something like 75% of there population will or is infected. How strange that Bush is spending more than any one else in aid to help.
How Many Troops Did Those European Nations SendTo Fight WITHus in Korea, compared to now? How much did they "Chip In", then?
19,570 in Korea, 18,622 in Iraq. There are more countries involved in Iraq than in Korea. There were 11,403 troops more foreign troops involved in Korea. Percentage wise it's minor compared ot Iraq. There were 302,000 U.S troops in Korea 130,000 in Iraq. I'm not comparing them battle wise.All I'm saying is that Korea was not unilateral and neither is this.
And, YOU have steadfastly DENIED IRAQ is anything like Vietnam. I say it is, and is becomming more and more of a drag on us DAILY, with the killing going on willy-nilly, and the soldiers coming home in bodybags faster than ever.
To you, we are winning. To me, we are losing, and will continue to lose as long as this dim-bulb named Gdubbyaremains in the White-House.
Iraq is nothing like Vietnam. First of all the majority of people don't want these jihaidiots in their country anymore than you'd want drug dealers in your neighborhood. Second. the populace of Vietnam was not on our side in the majority. They are in Iraq, they'll be glad when they can stand on their own and we leave but most of them are helping and many risk their lives to stand up against these thugs. There's 22 million people in Iraq and 150 k troops. If the majority was against us we'd know about it. The casualty rates don't compare. The political times don't compare. We are making progress. In Nam we never controlled Hanoi, we never set foot in it. The differences are numerous.
[Edited by on Sep 24, 2004 at 08:09am.]
How do you know that's their intent? I don't know that they're trying to pursuade people as much as point on the issue as they see it.
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What are they working on?
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Bill Fold, what will John Kerry do differently/better than Dubya? What is it he proposes that will make you vote for him.
Please be specific, and post times/dates, for it changes by the minute.
Terrezza says Bin Laden will "appear" before election.
Heinz Kerry said she could see the al-Qaida chief being caught before the November election.
"I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in the next month," said Heinz Kerry, alluding to a possible capture by United States and allied forces before election day.
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2004/09/20/daily58.html
Yes Terrezza we have Bin Laden tied up at a Red Roof Inn somewhere in Idaho. Mickey Moore said we have him too. (pssst Afghanistan was for a pipeline and Bush knew about 9-11) Yes something like that would sure be easy to keep quiet. Please adjust your tinfoil hat and return to one of your mansions.
[Edited by on Sep 24, 2004 at 11:54am.]
"Yes Terrezza we have Bin Laden tied up at a Red Roof Inn somewhere in Idaho"
I think that scenario would be tough to keep quiet.
It's especially hard considering He keeps ordering porn on the pay per view and is constantly asking for Hummus to be delivered to his room. I think the desk clerks are getting suspicious.
What do you think the troops and the field and the people in charge in Afghanistan know about the movements of bin Laden, Rob?
LOL
I thought it was because the maintenance guy was always up there unclogging drains that were full of hair.
My guess is that the troops in general know little until it's time for an actual ops and the intell they get while on them. I mean they know in general who and what  they are looking for but usually they're told Go to objective A and engage B. Some of our S.F, CIA, etc. guys know more regarding the aops they're assigned for and the intell that they are getting from their own ops and interrigations . The people at the top can only go by what they are told by them. But if he had been captured, there's no way in hell to keep that under wraps for long a few days even weeks maybe. But for as long as the theory has been floated no way IMHO would it not leak out.
And what if he was caught before the election. Would it be a bad thing? Â
I still think he's worm food personally. If not I doubt he's in Afghanistan. Probably Pakistan if he hasn't fled the region since our people have to tip toe around there. He's got a shitload of money and sympathiers all over. It's not an easy propostion to find one guy in the middle of all that.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 24, 2004 at 01:30pm.]
I still think he's worm food personally.
I agree. We would have seen something from him by now. Maybe a video with him holding up a newspaper with todays date on it or something along those lines just to show his followers that you can get away with the stuff he has done.
Grandpa Dan Zachary 9/24/04 2:39pm
All we have seen is video with audio dubbed on it. You mean the guy has millions and controlls jihadists globally but can't get a videocam with a built in mic? I agree He'd be rubbing our noses in it to get his fellow pieces of shit to rise up.
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Not a single soul in the world can do that by the "minute and day" and even you know that.
That's how it appears from all of Kerry's flip flopping on the war.
What is important to remember is that he(Kerry) WOULD end it, and our boys and girls would come home MUCH faster, and ALIVE.
How would Kerry end it? Is that what he's stated he would do? Could you be more specific, cuz I don't recall him saying he would end it. What would he do differently? Please be specific.
You of course, do not want to see that happen. Right?
Yeah, I want soldiers to continue dying. I want them coming home in body bags. I want unrest in Iraq. I want the fanatics to control Iraq.
How come YOU aren't over there?
Why aren't you over there?
How come there is no "Draft" and the thousands of Patriots who WANT to fight this War are not over there???
Who here has said they want to fight this war?
How come we didn't fight the WOT to WIN it, in Afghanistan?
I see this as your only valid question, and I don't know the answer. I think we should have our troops in Afghanistan, not in Iraq.
Why are our kids dying in Iraq?
You already know the answer.
Within four months? He's said that? I'm not aware of him saying such a thing. If he has, he's nuts. It's unrealistic.
You didn't answer my question.
Even if your statement is true. Tell me how is he going to accomplish such a thing? What is he going to do differently?
You, and Kerry himself, make all these bold promises and bullet points, but you don't say anything.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 25, 2004 at 07:51am.]
It's all out there. Go read some of what he's saying.
I have, and like I've said, I don't recall that he said he'd bring them home in four months, and if he has, he's nuts.
He's going to bring them home but he rarely informs me of his "Plan".
Well, he really should inform the American public if he expects us to vote for him.
By the way, what is GDubbya's "Plan" for the WOT?
He's already carrying out his plan. In Iraq and Afghanistan.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 25, 2004 at 09:24am.]
Bob Weir
THE DEAD
Ralph Nader is the most arrogant and narcissistic guy I've ever met. I had a meeting with him in the early Nineties. I was jazzed going into the meeting, and I was disgusted leaving. I don't think I've ever met a bigger asshole. If he hadn't run in the last election, we wouldn't be in Iraq and thousands of people wouldn't have died needlessly. And still he's well pleased to go in and be the spoiler again!
Harry Truman said that the one crime more heinous than treason is war profiteering, and yet we have the company that our vice president is still on retainer to - which is illegal - making a huge fortune. Every time the terrorists blow up another pipeline over there, Halliburton makes millions of dollars pasting it back together. They don't even have to be pumping oil to be making money. This is who owns our government now.
Though I've never really endorsed a political candidate before, I'm going to have to this time. I liked the look in Kerry's eye when I met him. He looks like an aware human being and a guy with a sense of humor. So we're just going to have to hope and pray that the debates go well.
Â
**ROCK the VOTE is going to have an Massive IMPACT on this ELECTION**
(the main reason I brought this up is that I know I won't be able to find the "post"..but I know that somebody said that "moveon.org" shouldn't have that much of an impact......heck if Every Deadhead in Florida voted 4 yrs ago...we would have had another story.)
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Mike Mills
R.E.M.
The vote for change tour is a wake-up call. We may alienate some fans over this. I don't like that - I prefer to have music stand apart from political feelings. But this is so important, it's worth it. If I piss a few people off, good. Because, frankly, I'm scared. Unlike a lot of political issues, this is literally life or death. Kerry understands how the world works, in a way that Bush does not. When Bush ran the first time, I realized something: I want my president to be smarter than I am. I don't ask much, but I want him to be smarter than me.
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**you gotta admit...this is funny...
I think Alice Cooper said recently that people who let rock stars tell them how to vote are bigger morons then the rock stars are.
[Edited by on Sep 26, 2004 at 04:11pm.]
ELECTION 2004
Alice Cooper: Anti-Bush acts treasonous morons
Legendary shock artist: 'Rock should never be in bed with politics'
Posted: August 24, 2004
4:15 p.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Alice Cooper
Shock-rock legend Alice Coopercalls rock stars campaigning for Democrat John Kerry treasonous morons.
The 56-year-old Cooper says he was disgusted to learn the likes of Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M., Sheryl Crow, James Taylor and Dave Matthews were hitting the road for a series of concerts designed to help defeat President Bush.
"To me, that's treason," Cooper told the Canadian Press. "I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics."
Ted Nugent
by James Ellis, August 24th, 2004
From a Ted Nugent interview.....
You won't be joining Bruce Springsteen's Kerry fundraising drive then?
Isn't that weird? All these liberal entertainers that support Kerry are so rich they use their wealth to make them feel good. They employ yes-men to insulate them from discomforting information. The information Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi insulate themselves from is the most important information of all. If we pursue only 'good feeling' things, it causes a gangrene that will kill you. It may hurt to turn around and cut that gangrenous appendage off but you will live. I look at it and go: 'Holy s**t, give me the knife.' It's an insulated cult of denial.
Â
Should we have no compassion for the downtrodden?
Why do we pay for the pimp who is in hospital? Why do we have to support 'alternative' lifestyles? Why do we have to find a cure for Aids? Here's the cure for Aids pal: 'Quit f**king up the ass with no condom and quit sharing needles.' But I'm a homophobe for saying that. I'm not. I'm their friend. I want them to live. Liberals would rather support the lifestyle and see them die. It's unbelievable. I'm the real friend of the downtrodden. I'll say to someone: 'I have a pile of rocks in the driveway that I need moved. I'll pay you good money.' And they don't want to come. The hardest thing in America right now, and I'm sure it's the same in England, is to find someone who is willing to haul some serious ass in order to get a wage.
I got news for Alice. His statement is political.
and not only that, it was one of the most political of all rockers who first signed the guy....
[Edited by molegrass on Sep 26, 2004 at 05:28pm.]
"It's an insulated cult of denial."
That's a standard phrase when you hear when people don't agree and won't change.
"You gotta be in denial." That and "You don't get it, do you?"
I usually get it. I just don't always agree.
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Zappa sure influenced politics didn't he?
Most of them play music and party all night, I don't think they spend much time reading the news.
Zappa was an idiot. I remember him saying that AIDS was created from the Government infecting people.
What a maroon.
where do you think it came from? little green monkeys?
actually, he wrote an entire musical about it.
Up there with "Oklahoma" in the pantheon of the American stage.
He was very conservative politically.
He was a conservative, politically.
where do you think it came from? little green monkeys?
You don't think the US develops biological things like that?
You don't think the US Government would do something like that?
You might want to chat with the men who were in the Tuskegee syphilis study...if you can find any that are still alive.
actually, that's what he called himself....a "pratical conservative". He devoted an entire chapter of his autobiography to it.
a smaller, less intrusive government? that's a conservative idea, isn't it?
a lot of today's "Conservatives" have little to do with actual conservative thought.
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I think you don't know shit about me then.
You might want to chat with the men who were in the Tuskegee syphilis study...if you can find any that are still alive.
What was that, 70 years ago?
As horrible at that was, that is not proof that the Government conjured up the AIDS virus.Â
And if they did, what was their purpose? Why would it infect mostly
gay males?
They were doing it to those guys up until something like 1972.
no, it's an example that our govenment is capable of it.
no one knows where the AIDS virus came from.
I think you may have just answered your own question there.
They were doing it to those guys up until something like 1972.
They may have been doing check ups on the victims until then, but I don't believe they were infecting people until 1972.
no one knows where the AIDS virus came from.
My guess is it came from deviant behavior.  You had mentioned green monkeys. You can fill in the blanks.
I think you may have just answered your own question there.
We were denying them treatment for it.
Sure it is. Our goverment would NEVER develop bio-weapons! Of course they wouldn't. Nope. No way. Never gonna happen.
Test them on citizens? How could they, they would never make them in the first place!
And the Warren Commision told the whole truth.
And the body counts reported in Viet Nam were totally accurate.
Go back to sleep.
Ok, what sort of proof do you have regarding AIDS?
I'm not saying it's impossible, just highly unlikely.
Didn't I just say that no one knowswhere it came from?
You might want to check out the microfilm for stories about virus going missing from the CDC in Atlanta prior to the initial outbreak
So basically your theory is based on paranoia and speculation?
So basically your theory is based on paranoia and speculation?
I'll stick to my theory of some deviant getting freaky with a green monkey.
No more than yours is, no.
My theory is based on the fact that it looks like the type of virus that was designed.
Yours is based on the theory that it just sorta happened by chance.
Yours is based on the theory that it just sorta happened by chance.
what was their purpose? Why would it infect mostly gay males?
Last I heard it was mostly africans something like 75% of there population will or is infected. How strange that Bush is spending more than any one else in aid to help.
[Edited by on Sep 27, 2004 at 02:32pm.]