Kitch, notice anything wrong with Kerry's shooting style? He's lacking proper protection. He needs safety glasses and hearing protection. At least he has those yellow jobs in the second one, but I am not sure if that is enough.
National Shooting Sports Foundation: Kerry Accepts Shotgun He Would Ban as 'Assault Weapon' Tuesday September 7, 5:00 pm ET
RACINE, W.Va., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a press release regarding the Remington model 11-87 shotgun that Sen. John Kerry recently accepted:
At a Labor Day campaign rally yesterday, Sen. John Kerry accepted an ironic gift from a labor union representative. The gift, a Remington model 11-87 shotgun commonly used in hunting and recreational shooting enjoyed by millions of Americans, would be banned as an "assault weapon" under a bill that Kerry is co-sponsoring.
"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns," said Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).
Keane said several sportsmen's groups have pointed out that Kerry's effort to cast himself as an avid hunter do not square with his anti-gun votes as a U.S. senator. In various photos Kerry appears unaware of proper firearms handling. The Hunting and Shooting Sports Heritage Fund is advertising in national sportsmen magazines and on the Web site, http://www.voteyoursport.com, to illustrate these points.
Kerry was given the shotgun by Cecil Roberts of the United Mine Workers of America. The union represents workers at a Remington factory in Ilion, New York. Last year the union urged Kerry to support a bill to end frivolous lawsuits against firearms makers (S. 659). The suits threaten manufacturing jobs. However, Kerry voted against the bill.
Remington President Tommy Milner said, "Rest assured, Remington was neither aware of this presentation in advance nor in any way supportive of its intent to support Senator Kerry's candidacy. In fact, the company remains amused by ongoing photos of Senator Kerry shooting without either ear or eye protection while discharging a firearm."
The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the companies and businesses that make and sell firearms, ammunition and other products for the 40 million Americans who responsibly hunt and enjoy recreational shooting. Learn more at http://www.nssf.org.
Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the "pistol grip," as loosely defined in the bill. [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii) and (b)(42): "The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."]
From the way Kerry is grasping the stock, it does seem to fall into the definition of "characteristic that can function as a grip" to allow "spray firing from the hip". As such it would fall into the 2003 Bill's intent to plug the "pistol-grip loophole" in the AWB where only an actual "pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon." was banned. (Yeah I know, but take it up with Sarah Brady)
"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns,"
Lies, Lies, Lies,
No one is banning shotguns, forgodsake.
Americans are safe to blow away ducks from now to eternity.
And yet Senate bill S. 1431. specifically included as "assault weapons" H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--...
Plus this little gem
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'
I think fly rods more than 6 feet in length should be banned.
Amendment (1) may not be operated with a cork or synthetic grip.
Amendment (2) must not carry more than 30 feet of line.
Amendment (3) above line must not exceed a diameter of 1/16 inch.
Amendment (4) operator may not be in possession of more than 5 flys.
Â
Â
Amendment (5) operator must first obtain a valid permit to purchase and carry such fly rod with proof of graduation from an accredited state mandated safety course.
I love family heirlooms. My wife's grandfather made a cedar chest for the grandmother before they were married. After their death, nobody wanted it because the lid was broke in half and the varnish was faded and cracked. My wife (we were dating at the time) took it and I glued it back together, stripped and varnished it and even made a new copper corner for it. Looked like new again. After seeing it, the rest of the family felt they got ripped off. They had first chance at it, but passed it by. It will go to our daughter whenever we pass away.
I never said you did. I just said that, contrary to what you say, the wild west mentality has appeal to you. The cities of America were frontier towns at one time. The attitude dies hard.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 8, 2004 at 05:30am.]
gorgeous piece of furniture you've got there, dan!
Thanks. With the family history behind it, I just couldn't let it go in the trash. I am proud of how it turned out and it was fun to do that for my fiance' at the time (wife now). We have made sure that our daughter knows about it and to save it for her first born after we are gone. Would be kind of cool to have it go from generation to generation like that.Â
I have nothing like it on my side of the family as my grandparent's house burned down when my mother was in high school. Lost all the pictures of family members and everything. All we have is some silver dollars that my grandfather earned by selling eggs from their farm. My dad's parents never saved old things like that either. My aunt saved some pictures of family members that my grandmother was throwing away.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 8, 2004 at 03:58pm.]
BOISE, Idaho - The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.
The 1994 ban, signed by President Clinton (news- web sites), outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Some of the 19 — foreign-made weapons like the AK-47 and Uzi — are still banned under a 1989 law prohibiting imports of specific automatic weapons.
Studies by pro- and antigun groups as well as the Justice Department (news- web sites) show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.
The differences between assault weapons and guns on the market before the ban expired are "cosmetic," Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said Monday on CBS's "The Early Show."
"To lead anyone to believe we're talking about a class of guns that's more powerful, makes bigger holes, shoots more rapidly is not true," LaPierre said.
Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady disagreed. "There's nothing cosmetic at all about this law," she said on "The Early Show."
Gun shop owners said the expiration of the ban would have little effect on the types of guns and accessories that are typically sold and traded across their counters every day.
At the Boise Gun Co., gunsmith Justin Davis last week grabbed up a black plastic rifle resembling the U.S. military's standard issue M-16 from a row of more than a dozen similar weapons stacked against a wall.
The civilian version of the gun, a Colt AR-15 manufactured before 1994, could be sold last week just as easily as it can be sold this week. "It shoots exactly the same ammo at exactly the same rate of fire," said Davis.
However, the expiration could result in sharply lower prices for some weapons, said Sanford Abrams, owner of Valley Guns in Baltimore and vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association.
He said some pre-ban, military-style rifles with a combination of banned features such as flash suppressors, bayonet mounts and detachable magazines had been trading at gun shows for up to $1,600, but the price could drop to less than $900 since those characteristics will again be allowed on new weapons.
"The biggest complaint we had was from ex-military wanting to buy a version of what they had in the military," Abrams said. "They wanted to buy one but they didn't want it to be minus any of the characteristics it had in the military."
Many states — including California, Massachusetts, New York and Hawaii — have passed their own laws curbing the use of assault weapons. Some of those are more stringent than the federal ban.
U.S. Rep. Butch Otter, R-Idaho, trumpeted the end of the federal law.
"President Clinton's so-called 'assault weapons' ban was nothing more than a sop to antigun liberals," Otter said Friday in a written statement. "It provided only the illusion of reducing gun violence, but it did real damage to our liberties."
But advocates for the ban, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, point to some particularly vicious shootings in which military-style weapons were used — including the 10 killings in the sniper shooting spree that terrorized residents in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., in 2002.
Â
National police organizations such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers and the Fraternal Order of Police all support the renewal of the ban. President Bush (news- web sites) has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it.
Presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (news- web sites) criticized Bush for not pushing for an extension.
"Today George Bush (news- web sites) made the job of terrorists easier and made the job of America's law enforcement officers harder and that's just plain wrong," Kerry said Monday.
Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said Kerry's comment was "another false attack from Senator Kerry." Bush believes the best way to curb gun violence is to enforce laws that are on the books, McClellan said.
The expiration of the assault weapons ban does not mean the end of federal background checks. The 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is separate legislation from the assault weapons ban, said Daniel Wells, chief of the FBI (news- web sites) unit charged with overseeing the background checks system.
"The change in law relating to assault weapons has no impact on the Brady Law," Wells said.
Davis predicted the biggest change in his business will be the ability of manufacturers and importers to market higher capacity ammunition magazines — the removable "clip" that holds and feeds bullets through guns.
Under the 1994 ban, the maximum capacity of a magazine was set at 10 rounds.
That article just proves what morons liberals are. You couldn't buy an AK-47 with a pistol grip stock after 1994 UNLESS it was made PRIOR to 1994. BUT you could buy an AK-47 with a thumbhole stock AFTER 1994. The SAME EXACT gun with a different piece of wood on it.
High capacity magazines? No problem. Millions upon millions were made prior to 1994 in anticipation of the ban. Cabelas, for instance, bought thousands prior to 1994 and you can still can buy them there.
Sarah Brady STILL has a problem with semi-autumatic vs automatic. Well she really doesn't but she uses "automatic" as a scare tactic. And of course the million morons in their little marches buy into it.
Kitch, notice anything wrong with Kerry's shooting style? He's lacking proper protection. He needs safety glasses and hearing protection. At least he has those yellow jobs in the second one, but I am not sure if that is enough.
National Shooting Sports Foundation: Kerry Accepts Shotgun He Would Ban as 'Assault Weapon'
Tuesday September 7, 5:00 pm ET
RACINE, W.Va., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a press release regarding the Remington model 11-87 shotgun that Sen. John Kerry recently accepted:
At a Labor Day campaign rally yesterday, Sen. John Kerry accepted an ironic gift from a labor union representative. The gift, a Remington model 11-87 shotgun commonly used in hunting and recreational shooting enjoyed by millions of Americans, would be banned as an "assault weapon" under a bill that Kerry is co-sponsoring.
"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns," said Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).
Keane said several sportsmen's groups have pointed out that Kerry's effort to cast himself as an avid hunter do not square with his anti-gun votes as a U.S. senator. In various photos Kerry appears unaware of proper firearms handling. The Hunting and Shooting Sports Heritage Fund is advertising in national sportsmen magazines and on the Web site, http://www.voteyoursport.com, to illustrate these points.
Kerry was given the shotgun by Cecil Roberts of the United Mine Workers of America. The union represents workers at a Remington factory in Ilion, New York. Last year the union urged Kerry to support a bill to end frivolous lawsuits against firearms makers (S. 659). The suits threaten manufacturing jobs. However, Kerry voted against the bill.
Remington President Tommy Milner said, "Rest assured, Remington was neither aware of this presentation in advance nor in any way supportive of its intent to support Senator Kerry's candidacy. In fact, the company remains amused by ongoing photos of Senator Kerry shooting without either ear or eye protection while discharging a firearm."
The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the companies and businesses that make and sell firearms, ammunition and other products for the 40 million Americans who responsibly hunt and enjoy recreational shooting. Learn more at http://www.nssf.org.
Source: The National Shooting Sports Foundation
It seems that Kerry doesn't have a committment to Gun Control for himself
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEPT 07, 2004 11:46:05 ET XXXXX
KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES
Was Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry seen this weekend waving a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law?
From the way Kerry is grasping the stock, it does seem to fall into the definition of "characteristic that can function as a grip" to allow "spray firing from the hip". As such it would fall into the 2003 Bill's intent to plug the "pistol-grip loophole" in the AWB where only an actual "pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon." was banned. (Yeah I know, but take it up with Sarah Brady)
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 04:44pm.]
"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns,"
Lies, Lies, Lies,
No one is banning shotguns, forgodsake.
Americans are safe to blow away ducks from now to eternity.
Yeah, with a bow if this gets through.
Lies, Lies, Lies,
Truth, truth, thruth
No one is banning shotguns, forgodsake.
Wanna bet?
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/s1431.html
(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) Armscor 30 BG;
(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
(iii) Striker 12; or
(iv) Streetsweeper.
___________________________________________________________________
(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip;
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
___________________________________________________________________
(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 06:00pm.]
And yet Senate bill S. 1431. specifically included as "assault weapons" H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--...
Plus this little gem
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 06:03pm.]
I missed that one.
That one's just wacky.
Thanks Allan.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 7, 2004 at 06:05pm.]
I can't wait for Rick's response.
My 1897 Winchester that was made in 1900 has always been on a proposed banned list because it holds 6 shells and has a pistol grip.
Make sense, Rick???
The duck hunters of Minnesota better worry: Kofi Annan and John Kerry are comin' to take your guns away.
Can't live without your "Streetsweeper?" The one with the telescoping stock?
Send in your money and a Wheaties UPS code to Remington and you'll set for the season opener.
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Yeah, whatever.
You guys love the Wild West. I never doubted it.
Lies huh?
I think ESD was being sarcastic.
It was the Lefty's that were saying MN streets would turn into the wild west.
Can't live without your "Streetsweeper?" The one with the telescoping stock?
If I wish to have one, that right "shall not be infringed".
Notice how Rick leaves out the pistol grip part.
Nobody is going to take away my semi-auto shotgun from me....sorry to say...but I WILL seriously DIE for that RIGHT!!!
why???
It was my grandfathers and was a gift to me right before his passing........
GOOD LUCK TAKING IT AWAY FROM ME
I think fly rods more than 6 feet in length should be banned.
Amendment (1) may not be operated with a cork or synthetic grip.
Amendment (2) must not carry more than 30 feet of line.
Amendment (3) above line must not exceed a diameter of 1/16 inch.
Amendment (4) operator may not be in possession of more than 5 flys.
Â
Â
Amendment (5) operator must first obtain a valid permit to purchase and carry such fly rod with proof of graduation from an accredited state mandated safety course.
Sound fair, Rick?
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 09:02pm.]
Kitch,
I love family heirlooms. My wife's grandfather made a cedar chest for the grandmother before they were married. After their death, nobody wanted it because the lid was broke in half and the varnish was faded and cracked. My wife (we were dating at the time) took it and I glued it back together, stripped and varnished it and even made a new copper corner for it. Looked like new again. After seeing it, the rest of the family felt they got ripped off. They had first chance at it, but passed it by. It will go to our daughter whenever we pass away.
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 08:50pm.]
The exact same thing and repair happend to us. Except that no one else has seen it looking new. And they probably won't.
Don't show them Torp. It did cause us some family problems for a little while.
My dad has 2 of the guns his father carried as railroad dick. As they used to be called back then.
Let's see if this shows up.
.
Â
[Edited by on Sep 7, 2004 at 09:22pm.]
And, just for fun...
.
"I think ESD was being sarcastic."
Well, I wasn't.
Torpedo-8 9/7/04 8:47pm
That's a future classic!
Well, I wasn't.
Then you're goofy. Not one of us "Gun Nuts" has killed anyone or gone shooting up the neighborhood. Not that I know of anyway.
I never said you did. I just said that, contrary to what you say, the wild west mentality has appeal to you. The cities of America were frontier towns at one time. The attitude dies hard.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 8, 2004 at 05:30am.]
gorgeous piece of furniture you've got there, dan!
I don't think so.
gorgeous piece of furniture you've got there, dan!
Thanks. With the family history behind it, I just couldn't let it go in the trash. I am proud of how it turned out and it was fun to do that for my fiance' at the time (wife now). We have made sure that our daughter knows about it and to save it for her first born after we are gone. Would be kind of cool to have it go from generation to generation like that.Â
I have nothing like it on my side of the family as my grandparent's house burned down when my mother was in high school. Lost all the pictures of family members and everything. All we have is some silver dollars that my grandfather earned by selling eggs from their farm. My dad's parents never saved old things like that either. My aunt saved some pictures of family members that my grandmother was throwing away.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Sep 8, 2004 at 03:58pm.]
That's beautiful, Dan. You can be proud of it. It's too bad that sometimes families can get into such snits about things like that.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040913/ap_on_go_co/assault_weapons&cid=512&ncid=716
By CHUCK OXLEY, Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho - The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.
AP Photo
AFP
Slideshow:Assault Weapons Ban
The 1994 ban, signed by President Clinton (news- web sites), outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Some of the 19 — foreign-made weapons like the AK-47 and Uzi — are still banned under a 1989 law prohibiting imports of specific automatic weapons.
Studies by pro- and antigun groups as well as the Justice Department (news- web sites) show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.
The differences between assault weapons and guns on the market before the ban expired are "cosmetic," Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said Monday on CBS's "The Early Show."
"To lead anyone to believe we're talking about a class of guns that's more powerful, makes bigger holes, shoots more rapidly is not true," LaPierre said.
Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady disagreed. "There's nothing cosmetic at all about this law," she said on "The Early Show."
Gun shop owners said the expiration of the ban would have little effect on the types of guns and accessories that are typically sold and traded across their counters every day.
At the Boise Gun Co., gunsmith Justin Davis last week grabbed up a black plastic rifle resembling the U.S. military's standard issue M-16 from a row of more than a dozen similar weapons stacked against a wall.
The civilian version of the gun, a Colt AR-15 manufactured before 1994, could be sold last week just as easily as it can be sold this week. "It shoots exactly the same ammo at exactly the same rate of fire," said Davis.
However, the expiration could result in sharply lower prices for some weapons, said Sanford Abrams, owner of Valley Guns in Baltimore and vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association.
He said some pre-ban, military-style rifles with a combination of banned features such as flash suppressors, bayonet mounts and detachable magazines had been trading at gun shows for up to $1,600, but the price could drop to less than $900 since those characteristics will again be allowed on new weapons.
"The biggest complaint we had was from ex-military wanting to buy a version of what they had in the military," Abrams said. "They wanted to buy one but they didn't want it to be minus any of the characteristics it had in the military."
Many states — including California, Massachusetts, New York and Hawaii — have passed their own laws curbing the use of assault weapons. Some of those are more stringent than the federal ban.
U.S. Rep. Butch Otter, R-Idaho, trumpeted the end of the federal law.
"President Clinton's so-called 'assault weapons' ban was nothing more than a sop to antigun liberals," Otter said Friday in a written statement. "It provided only the illusion of reducing gun violence, but it did real damage to our liberties."
But advocates for the ban, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, point to some particularly vicious shootings in which military-style weapons were used — including the 10 killings in the sniper shooting spree that terrorized residents in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., in 2002.
National police organizations such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers and the Fraternal Order of Police all support the renewal of the ban. President Bush (news- web sites) has said he would sign such a bill if Congress passed it.
Presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (news- web sites) criticized Bush for not pushing for an extension.
"Today George Bush (news- web sites) made the job of terrorists easier and made the job of America's law enforcement officers harder and that's just plain wrong," Kerry said Monday.
Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said Kerry's comment was "another false attack from Senator Kerry." Bush believes the best way to curb gun violence is to enforce laws that are on the books, McClellan said.
The expiration of the assault weapons ban does not mean the end of federal background checks. The 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is separate legislation from the assault weapons ban, said Daniel Wells, chief of the FBI (news- web sites) unit charged with overseeing the background checks system.
"The change in law relating to assault weapons has no impact on the Brady Law," Wells said.
Davis predicted the biggest change in his business will be the ability of manufacturers and importers to market higher capacity ammunition magazines — the removable "clip" that holds and feeds bullets through guns.
Under the 1994 ban, the maximum capacity of a magazine was set at 10 rounds.
___
That article just proves what morons liberals are. You couldn't buy an AK-47 with a pistol grip stock after 1994 UNLESS it was made PRIOR to 1994. BUT you could buy an AK-47 with a thumbhole stock AFTER 1994. The SAME EXACT gun with a different piece of wood on it.
High capacity magazines? No problem. Millions upon millions were made prior to 1994 in anticipation of the ban. Cabelas, for instance, bought thousands prior to 1994 and you can still can buy them there.
Sarah Brady STILL has a problem with semi-autumatic vs automatic. Well she really doesn't but she uses "automatic" as a scare tactic. And of course the million morons in their little marches buy into it.
tec 9Â ---here I come....might need it to protect my other guns in the future when the feds come and try to take them!!!
The ban was stupid to begin with.
THX 1138 9/13/04 4:27pm
Yes, indeed it was. But it made the liberals "feel" good.
Pocket-Sized Shotgun Hits Stores
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/06/national/main647747.shtml
"This I can see being the ultimate self-defense weapon," said Mark Koscielski, owner of
Koscielski's Guns and Ammo
, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.
At one time Nancy Reagan might have liked one of those. Rumor is she carried a little Dillinger pistol in her purse along with her white gloves.
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Pocket-Sized Shotgun Hits Stores
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/06/national/main647747.shtml
"This I can see being the ultimate self-defense weapon," said Mark Koscielski, owner of
Koscielski's Guns and Ammo
, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.
Â
(thanks...bugging me all day today.....I heard this on the radio....and been trying to remember what I wanted to look up)
I don't get it. You might as well carry a Mini Glock.
[Edited by on Oct 7, 2004 at 06:02am.]