The administration just wants Iraq to have a legally elected government that is the choice of all the Iraqis. It probably won't be a true democracy, as we define it, at least not at first. What's important is that it have free elections and be our ally.
IRAQ will NEVERhave a democracy, no matter how hard we push for it or play all nicey-nice with their fledgeling government, because as soon as we are OUT, they will again return to insanity and Religionas their guiding force, and Democracy will NOT tale a foothold under such a "Theocracy". Never. There would be NO
"Freedom of Religion" under such a Government, because they do not believe in our Judeo-hristian value system, and NEVER have.I have said so, repeatedly. (LUV, you know it is true.)
Really?
I don't know you if realize this but Iraq is very secular. Yes there's extremist moonbats but they are in the minority. Here's a list of Christian churches in Iraq.
Chaldean Church (Catholic denomination):
1."Pregnant without Sin" (in reference to Virgin Mary), built in 1921 - Camp Gelani.
2.Mar Aphram, built in 1940s - Shalcheya.
3.Mar Yousif, built in 1956 - Eastern Karada.
4.Mar Youhanan the Baptist, built in 1960 - alDura.
5.Holy Family, built in 1960 - Aurfaleya (Betaween)
6.The Virgin- Prayer's Lord (Sultana alWardeya), built in 1960 - Karada Khareg.
7.Holy Heart of Jesus, built in 1964 - Hay alWehda.
8.Mar Eliya of Heyra, built in 1964 - Hay alAmeen.
9.Mar Yousif- Protector of the Workers, built in 1965 - Hay alYarmook
10.Mar Yaqoub- Bishop of Nisibin, built in 1965 - alDura
11.The passing of the Virgin, built in 1966 - alMansour
12.Mar Toma the Disciple, built in 1966 - Nereya and Gayara
13.Mother of Continuous Help, built in 1966 - Hay anNedhal and alSadoon
14.The Virgin- Protector of Crops, built in 1968 - alBayya'
15.Mar Gewergis, built in 1969 - Hay Sumer/New Baghdad
16.Virgin Mary, built in 1971 - Palestine Street
17.Martyr Mar Baythoon, built in 1978 - Baladeyat/7-April
18.Holy Trinity, built in 1978 - Habebeya/7-April
19.Mar Marey, built in 1980 - Hay Beydha/alBanook
20.The Disciples Mar Putros and Mar Polos, built in 1986 - alDura
21.Congratulating the Virgin, built in 1989 - Hay alMuthana/Suq alThelatha
22.The Rising, built in 1994 - Hay alMualemeen/alMashtal
23.Mar Polos- The Disciple, built ??, al-Zafaraneya
Assyrian (include Assyrian, Assyrian Evangelical, and Old Assyrian):
1.Virgin Mary (Mar Kura), built in 1928 -Karada Maryem
2.Mar Qaradagh, built in 1946 - Camp Gelani
3.Evangelical Assyrian, built ??, Sahat alTayaran
4.Mar Gewergis, built in 1961 - alDura
5.Mar Odishu Nokhreta, built in 1972 - Elwiya
6.Virgin Mary, built in 1970 - Neyreya and alGayara
7.Mar Marey, built in 1985 - alAmeen
8.Mar Zaya, built in ?? - alDura
9.Virgin Mary (Old Assyrian Church), built in 1988 - Hay alReyadh
Syriac (include Orthodox and Catholic)
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1.The Disciples Mar Putros and Mar Polos (Orthodox), built in 1964 - Industerial Street
2.Mar Yousif (Catholic), built in 1965 - alMansour
3.Lady of Salvation (Catholic), built in 1968 - Eastern Karada
4.Mar Maty (Orthodox), built in 1981 - Hay Sumer/Ghadeer
5.Mar Toma (Orthodox), built in 1978 - alMansour/Hay alMuhandeseen
6.Mar Behnam (Catholic), built in 1982 - Hay Sumer/alQanat
7.Mar Behnam (Orthodox), built in ?? - Hay alMechanic/alDura
Armenian (include Catholic and Orthodox) :
1.Holy Heart of Jesus (Catholic), built in 1938 - Eastern Karada
2.St. Gregor the Illluminant (Orthodox), built in 1956 - Sahat alTayran
3.St. Garabeet (Orthodox), built in 1973 - Hay alReyadh
Melkite, known commonly as "Room" (include Orthodox, Catholic and Latin):
1.Mar Anderaous (Orthodox), built in 1940's - Camp Gelani
Bill, I think it will be a grand day for the Iraqis just to have elections. Democracy is a messy thing. It took America years to get established. Democracy as we know it was, and still is called, an experiment. They probably won't get it right at first, and maybe they'll have to play around with it for awhile. They have to overcome years of chaos and tyranny as well as tribal and religious factions. But the people seem to want it, and if they keep their eyes on the goal, they'll get there. Don't give up on them.
Yeah sure, they do. Pretty soon shiites sunnis and kurds will start fighting for their religious rights, land rights and all kindsa other crap rights. To make things worse, Iranians, Syrians and other crappy fighters from Saudi, Jordan, and whole load of other crappy holy lands will join their brothers to recreate 6th century Mecca. Â
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Democracy in that part of the world aint gonna happen for several decades..until all of these current crap religious leaders and their devotees go to heaven.Â
We should have let sanctions work longer. We should have given inspections another try. The WMDs weren't there so we shouldn't have gone to war. It's a mistake. A grand diversion. The wrong war, the wrong place, at the wrong time.
Shame on all you people.
I don't mean those of you who opposed the war at the time and I don't mean those of you who think Bush bungled the job after the fact. I mean you and you and you — and most especially John Kerry and John Edwards. Shame on you both.
You voted for this war but you voted against the peace you say is so important to win merely because you decided that toppling the tyranny of Howard Dean's high poll numbers was worth paying any price, bearing any burden.
But forget all that. I just watched John Kerry preen in front of the cameras about how "good diplomacy" would have prevented the mistake he voted for. "Good diplomacy" in John Kerry's world would have let French and Russian politicians continue to line their pockets in the name of keeping Saddam in power so he could rape and murder and torture until "good diplomacy" welcomed him back into the "international community" and gave him the weapons he sought. I suppose in John Kerry's world good diplomacy lets the boys in the back of the bar finish raping the girl for fear of causing a fuss.
Okay, that was unfair. It just seems everything old is new again. Bush "lied" because he believed the same intelligence John Kerry believed. Bush "lied" even though John Edwards called the threat from Iraq "imminent" — something Bush never did. No one bothers to ask how it could be possible that Bush lied. How could he have known there were no WMDs? No one bothers to wonder why Tony Blairisn't a liar. Indeed, no one bothers to ask whether the Great Diplomat and Alliance Builder believes our oldest and truest allies Great Britain and Australia are lead by equally contemptible liars. Of course, they can't be liars — they are merely part of the coalition of the bribed. In John Kerry's world, it's a defense to say your oldest friends aren't dishonest, they're merely whores.
Oh, one more thing no one asks. How could Bush think he could pull this thing off? I mean, knowing as he did that there were no WMDs in Iraq, how could he invade the country and think no one would notice? And if he's capable of lying to send Americans to their deaths for some nebulous petro-oedipal conspiracy no intelligent person has bothered to make even credible, why on earth didn't he just plant some WMDs on the victim after the fact? If you're willing to kill Americans for a lie, surely you'd be willing to plant some anthrax to keep your job.
And speaking of the victim, if it's in fact true that Bush offered no rationale for the war other than WMDs, why shouldn't we simply let Saddam out of his cage and put him back in office? We can even use some of the extra money from the Oil-for-Food program to compensate him for the damage to his palaces and prisons. Heck, if John Edwards weren't busy, he could represent him.
I'm serious. If this whole war was such a mistake, such a colossal blunder, based on a lie and all that, not only should John Kerry show the courage to ask once again "How do you tell the last man to die for a mistake?" but he should also promise to rectify the error. And what better, or more logically consistent, way to solve the problem Bush created? Kerry insists it was wrong to topple Saddam. Well, let's make him a Weeble instead. Bush and Saddam can walk out to the podiums and explain that his good friend merely wobbled, he didn't fall down. That would end the chaos John Kerry considers so much worse than the status quo ante. And if the murderer needs help getting back in the game, maybe the Marines can cut off a few tongues and slaughter a couple thousand Shia and Kurds until Saddam's ready for the big league again. That will calm the chaos; that will erase the crime.
Yes, yes, these are all cheap shots, low blows, unfair criticisms. I know. Good and nice liberals don't want Saddam back in power. Sweet and decent Democrats shed no tears for Uday and Qusay. These folks just care about the troops who were sent to die based on a lie. I care about the troops too. But despite John Kerry's insistence that he speaks for the American Fighting Man, some of you might consider that a sizable majority of Americans in uniform will vote for Bush, according to surveys and polls. And since the Kedwards campaign continues to tell us that men who fight and serve cannot have their judgment questioned, that should mean something. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I forgot. Only fighting men who served for four months on the same boat with John Kerry are above reproach or recrimination. Even if you served in the next boat over, you're just a liar.
Damn, that was another cheap shot, another low blow — one more Dick Cheneyesque distortion. We soulless warmongers sometimes forget ourselves. I realize now that you forces of truth and light are nothing like me. If only Bush had justified this war in the high-flown language of liberty and justice he uses now, then you better angels of the American nature would have supported the toppling of Saddam.
Of course, Bush did exactly that. He spoke of the lantern of liberty lighting the Middle East long before the Iraqi Statue of Tyranny fell down in that Baghdad square. But he was lying then, of course. He only said that stuff to please those bloodlusting neocons who didn't care about Bush's vendetta to avenge his father and were too rich from their access to Zionist coffers to care about the Texas oil man's plot to capture the Iraqi oil fields and earn Halliburton the worst publicity any corporation has received in American history. Of course these neocons knew Bush was lying about democracy and WMDs alike, but they too didn't care that they would be found out. After all, that's a small price to pay for Mother Israel, where Jewish-American loyalties check in but don't check out.
Damn. Once again the gravity of Bush's villainy has pulled me off the trajectory of honest debate. I'm not making any sense. I'm not consistent in my "rationales." Indeed, John Kerry said it so eloquently when he noted that George W. Bush has offered 23 rationales for the war. Heaven forbid the International Grandmaster of Nuance contemplate that there could be more than a single reason to do something so simple as go to war. Let's not even contemplate that the ticket that says this administration hasn't "leveled" with the American people should have to grasp that sometimes leveling with the public requires offering more than one dumbed-down reason to do something very difficult and important.
Ah, I know. The problem isn't that Bush has offered more than one reason, it's that he's changed his reasons. That is the complaint of those who would otherwise support the war. Alas, that's not true, he's merely changed the emphasis. After all, what is he to do when he discovers there are no WMDs? Violate the "Pottery Barn rule" and simply leave a broken Iraq to fester? But let's imagine for a moment that he has "changed the rationale." Isn't that what Lincoln did when he changed the war to preserve the Union into the war to free the slaves? Isn't that what the Cold War liberals did when they changed a value-neutral stand-off into a twilight struggle between the human bondage and the last best hope of mankind?
Ah, but in the Cold War we never fought the Soviets, we merely leveled sanctions. Couldn't we have done the same to Iraq, since Saddam was no threat to America? I'm sure all of the people asking this asked it already of Bill Clinton when we toppled Slobodan Milosevic, a man who killed fewer people, threatened America less, and violated fewer U.N. sanctions than Saddam ever did.
I'm tired now. But the sad news is I could go on.
I'm not saying there are no good arguments against the war. I am saying that many of you don't care about the war. If Bill Clinton or Al Gore had conducted this war, you would be weeping joyously about Iraqi children going to school and women registering to vote. If this war had been successful rather than hard, John Kerry would be boasting today about how he supported it — much as he did every time it looked like the polls were moving in that direction. You may have forgotten Kerry's anti-Dean gloating when Saddam was captured, but many of us haven't. He would be saying the lack of WMDs are irrelevant and that Bush's lies were mistakes. And that's the point. I don't care if you hate George W. Bush; it's not like I love the guy. And I don't care if you opposed the war from day one. What disgusts me are those people who say toppling Saddam and fighting the terror war on their turf rather than ours is a mistake, not because these are bad ideas, but merely because your vanity cannot tolerate the notion that George W. Bush is right or that George W. Bush's rightness might cost John Kerry the election.
I get e-mails from you people every day and I see your candidate on TV every night. Shame on you all.
WASHINGTON — Insurgent networks across Iraq (news - web sites) are increasingly trying to acquire and use toxic nerve gases, blister agents and germ weapons against U.S. and coalition forces, according to a CIA (news - web sites) report. Investigators said one group recruited scientists and sought to prepare poisons over seven months before it was dismantled in June.
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U.S. officials say the threat is especially worrisome because leaders of the previously unknown group, which investigators dubbed the "Al Abud network," were based in the city of Fallouja near insurgents aligned with fugitive militant Abu Musab Zarqawi. The CIA says Zarqawi, who is blamed for numerous attacks on U.S. forces and beheadings of hostages, has long sought to use chemical and biological weapons against targets in Europe as well as Iraq.
An exhaustive report released last week by Charles A. Duelfer, the CIA's chief weapons investigator in Iraq, concluded that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) destroyed his stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s and never tried to rebuild them. But a little-noticed section of the 960-page report says the risk of a "devastating" attack with unconventional weapons has grown since the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq last year.
The Bush administration, which went to war primarily to disarm the Baghdad regime of suspected illicit stockpiles, has not previously disclosed that the insurgent groups that have emerged and steadily expanded since Hussein's ouster are trying to develop their own crude supplies of such deadly agents as mustard gas, ricin and the nerve gas tabun.
Neither of the two chemists who worked for Al Abud had ties to Hussein's long-defunct weapons programs, and Duelfer's investigators found no evidence that the group's poison project was part of a "prescribed plan by the former regime to fuel an insurgency."
For now, the leaders and financiers of the network "remain at large, and alleged chemical munitions remain unaccounted," the report says. It adds that other insurgent groups are "planning or attempting to produce or acquire" chemical and biological agents throughout Iraq, and says the availability of chemicals and munitions, as well as sympathetic former Iraqi weapons scientists, "increases the future threat."
The discoveries are separate from several attacks this year involving chemical munitions, the report says. In May and June, insurgents used old chemical-filled artillery shells, left over from Iraq's pre-1991 stocks, in three roadside bombs. Partly because of the age of the weapons, no chemical injuries were reported. In all, U.S. forces have recovered 53 decaying chemical-filled shells or artillery rockets that apparently were looted from unguarded ammunition bunkers or other sites.
Investigators from Duelfer's Iraq Survey Group learned of the Al Abud threat by chance in March when a U.S. Army patrol raided a laboratory in a Baghdad market known for chemical supply shops. They discovered an Iraqi chemist who had successfully produced small quantities of ricin, a potentially deadly toxin made from castor beans.
After the chemist was interrogated, Duelfer quickly created a special team of covert agents, analysts and weapons experts to track down the scientist's contacts and arrest other members of the Al Abud network, named for the lab where the chemist was found.
By June, Duelfer's team was able to identify and "neutralize" the group's chemists and chemical suppliers, and other members of the network. A series of raids, interrogations and detentions "disrupted key activities at Al Abud-related laboratories, safe houses, supply stores" and organizational centers, according to Duelfer's report.
"I think this is a case where we got ahead of a problem a bit," said a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the evidence.
Duelfer first revealed the network's existence in his testimony last week to the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), but he provided few details.
"I am convinced that we successfully contained a problem before it matured into a major threat," Duelfer said. "Nevertheless, it points to the problem that the dangerous expertise developed by the previous regime could be transferred to other hands. Certainly there are anti-coalition and terrorist elements seeking such capabilities."
In response to a question, he said, "We think we've got most of that particular activity not under control, but we understand it."
Duelfer said that Zarqawi "has expressed an interest in exactly this type of weapon." Duelfer's team could not determine whether the Al Abud effort was tied to Zarqawi's terrorist network or the broader insurgency in Iraq. Before the invasion, the Bush administration portrayed Zarqawi as Al Qaeda's link to Hussein's regime. Although those ties remain unclear, Zarqawi and his followers have claimed responsibility for a wave of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings. The U.S. government has placed a $25-million bounty on his head.
The Al Abud effort apparently began in December 2003, according to Duelfer's report, when Fallouja-based insurgents belonging mostly to the Jaish-e-Muhammad insurgent group recruited "an inexperienced Baghdad chemist" to help them produce tabun, mustard gas and other chemical agents. A wealthy Baghdad businessman who previously had business ties to Hussein's military and intelligence service agreed to provide financial backing.
Jaish-e-Muhammad, or Army of Muhammad, is made up largely of former members of Hussein's Baath Party, including former officers in the intelligence, security and police forces, the report says.
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The group has claimed responsibility for several attacks, including the bombing of the United Nations (news - web sites) compound in Baghdad on Aug. 19, 2003.
In interrogations, members of Jaish-e-Muhammad told Duelfer's team that they planned to use chemical-filled mortar rounds and other munitions against U.S. and other coalition forces.
Tabun, a nerve agent, can cause convulsions, paralysis or death. It is produced as a colorless, tasteless liquid and can be used as a vapor or to poison water supplies. Mustard gas, infamous since the gruesome gas attacks of World War I, is a disabling and potentially deadly blistering agent that attacks the skin, eyes and lungs.
Hussein's regime produced huge quantities of tabun and mustard gas during the 1980s, and repeatedly used them to attack Iranian troops during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran. The Iraqi gas attacks caused tens of thousands of casualties. Thousands more died when Hussein's forces used poison gas on Kurdish villages in northern Iraq.
The Baghdad chemist, who was not identified, soon helped the insurgent group acquire the pesticide malathion, which has a similar chemical structure to tabun, as well as nitrogen mustard gas precursors — or ingredients — from looted government supplies and chemical shops.
Despite numerous attempts, the scientist failed to produce tabun. But he managed to brew a poisonous compound, the report says. The insurgents filled nine mortar rounds with the mixture, but Duelfer's team determined that the rounds were useless because detonation would destroy the poison.
The group's focus shifted in late January and early February to production of mustard gas, the report says. Although the inexperienced chemist had the necessary materials, he used "incorrect amounts of the precursors and inadequate processes" and failed again in mid-March.
Frustrated at the lack of progress, the Al Abud group soon found and hired another young chemist in Baghdad who owned his own small laboratory. Unlike the first scientist, this recruit was "a profit-seeking mercenary" and not an insurgent, the report says.
The Al Abud group returned to the Baghdad market and obtained materials to produce a more potent mustard gas. Although the effort again failed, the Duelfer report says "with time and experience it is plausible" that the second chemist could have produced a workable weapon.
Success finally came in late March when the two chemists working together produced ricin cake, a substance that can be converted to ricin poison. Investigators later determined that their lab could produce only enough ricin to cause isolated casualties and "was not capable of facilitating a mass-casualty ricin attack."
They also found that the two scientists had prepared napalm, a highly flammable jellied gasoline used by U.S. troops in Vietnam, and sodium fluoride acetate, a poison. But Duelfer's group said the nascent effort was "highly unlikely" to be capable of causing mass casualties.
Despite his success in curbing the network's immediate threat, Duelfer said he was alarmed that the group had "quickly and effectively" found scientists, munitions and money to build chemical weapons. Had the group not been stopped, he said, "the consequences ... could have been devastating to coalition forces."
"Every day you read the articles in the States where it's like, 'Oh, it's getting better and better,' " said Lance Cpl. Jonathan Snyder, 22, of Gettysburg, Pa. "But when you're here, you know it's worse every day."
Lance Cpl. Alexander Jones, 20, of Ball Ground, Ga., agreed: "We're basically proving out that the government is wrong," he said. "We're catching them in a lie."
Snyder, who was listening, added: "Pretty much I think they just diverted the war on terrorism. I agree with the Afghanistan war and all the Sept. 11 stuff, but it feels like they left the bigger war over there to come here. And now, while we're on the ground over here, it seems like we're not even close to catching frigging bin Laden."
Asked if he was concerned that the Marines would be punished for speaking out, Autin responded: "We don't give a crap. What are they going to do, send us to Iraq?"
May be may be not....who knows. The only way to test that is to ask those questions to every soldier without any fear of being harassed or removed from jobs.....something that has happened to senior officers and Generals.
Do you believe that those soldiers who express such opinions are anti-american......with the terrorists, american haters etc.....as many claim here when crticized?????
May be may be not....who knows. The only way to test that is to ask those questions to every soldier without any fear of being harassed or removed from jobs.....something that has happened to senior officers and Generals.
But they just said they don't have any fear of being harassed in your story.
Do you believe that those soldiers who express such opinions are anti-american......with the terrorists, american haters etc.....as many claim here when crticized?????
No.
I think they should have joined the peace corp instead of the military.
Yes, it is a stretch.......but, stretch is what we hear all day from the other side when the repubs are criticized for Iraq war policy.....like saying anti-american and stuff like dat.
Many American patriots here and elsewhere.....sadly, all of them are repubs. Most of my repub friends say that democrats are antiamerican and with the terrrrrrrooooooooriiiiists. Go figure!
I've been called anti-American myself. All by Liberals. Go figure.
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That may be true in a sense. Think about it. The repubs are taking extreme actions in the name of country and religion and their actions are destroying this country.......so then they are antiamericans, right? :)))  just kidding!
I've had a standing offer to any America bashing liberal. A one way ticket to the Sudan, Congo or Nigeria. Your choice. No takers in 3 years. Go figure.
Hey Rick you have the right to criticize if you want......but dont take it the point where it sounds like you hate America......Not good. Regardless of some problems here, this is the best nation on this planet. That is partly because we allow people to speak their mind and in some ways make corrections over time. That never happens in other countries....well most other countries. Now, you will see Booosh out of job next year. That is the beauty of this great country.
Abdul Qadir - ( PFID:efa82da) - 08:45pm Oct 11, 2004 PST (# 4984 of 4986) If someone says they speak to God every minute, please give them some change for breakfast and send them straight to a shrink.
Hey Rick you have the right to criticize if you want......but dont take it the point where it sounds like you hate America......Not good. Regardless of some problems here, this is the best nation on this planet. That is partly because we allow people to speak their mind and in some ways make corrections over time. That never happens in other countries....well most other countries. Now, you will see Booosh out of job next year. That is the beauty of this great country.
Unless you are a Republican employed by Brown College or a student of same, we are not allowed to speak about politics as it upsets the Dem's, but in my web design class the teacher can go on and on about how Bush is a war criminal. seems free speech only works if you agree with the left.
We now have fairly compelling evidence, in the form of a Military Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and enlisted personnel), that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent). Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other analyst had expected.
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That is less than once a week......may be that is why suicide rate is going up. Wonder how this number would be with the repubs............may be somewhere around 24 times a year???? no wonder they are so trigger happy.
He is my nephew, so I hope I can be there also. I bet you could easily get most of the "Cooler Crew" to show up as well. It would be fantastic if our troops could get off a plane and have a large cheering crowd waiting for them.
The administration just wants Iraq to have a legally elected government that is the choice of all the Iraqis. It probably won't be a true democracy, as we define it, at least not at first. What's important is that it have free elections and be our ally.
Bill,
IRAQ will NEVERhave a democracy, no matter how hard we push for it or play all nicey-nice with their fledgeling government, because as soon as we are OUT, they will again return to insanity and Religionas their guiding force, and Democracy will NOT tale a foothold under such a "Theocracy". Never. There would be NO
"Freedom of Religion" under such a Government, because they do not believe in our Judeo-hristian value system, and NEVER have.I have said so, repeatedly. (LUV, you know it is true.)
Really?
I don't know you if realize this but Iraq is very secular. Yes there's extremist moonbats but they are in the minority. Here's a list of Christian churches in Iraq.
Chaldean Church (Catholic denomination):
1."Pregnant without Sin" (in reference to Virgin Mary), built in 1921 - Camp Gelani.
2.Mar Aphram, built in 1940s - Shalcheya.
3.Mar Yousif, built in 1956 - Eastern Karada.
4.Mar Youhanan the Baptist, built in 1960 - alDura.
5.Holy Family, built in 1960 - Aurfaleya (Betaween)
6.The Virgin- Prayer's Lord (Sultana alWardeya), built in 1960 - Karada Khareg.
7.Holy Heart of Jesus, built in 1964 - Hay alWehda.
8.Mar Eliya of Heyra, built in 1964 - Hay alAmeen.
9.Mar Yousif- Protector of the Workers, built in 1965 - Hay alYarmook
10.Mar Yaqoub- Bishop of Nisibin, built in 1965 - alDura
11.The passing of the Virgin, built in 1966 - alMansour
12.Mar Toma the Disciple, built in 1966 - Nereya and Gayara
13.Mother of Continuous Help, built in 1966 - Hay anNedhal and alSadoon
14.The Virgin- Protector of Crops, built in 1968 - alBayya'
15.Mar Gewergis, built in 1969 - Hay Sumer/New Baghdad
16.Virgin Mary, built in 1971 - Palestine Street
17.Martyr Mar Baythoon, built in 1978 - Baladeyat/7-April
18.Holy Trinity, built in 1978 - Habebeya/7-April
19.Mar Marey, built in 1980 - Hay Beydha/alBanook
20.The Disciples Mar Putros and Mar Polos, built in 1986 - alDura
21.Congratulating the Virgin, built in 1989 - Hay alMuthana/Suq alThelatha
22.The Rising, built in 1994 - Hay alMualemeen/alMashtal
23.Mar Polos- The Disciple, built ??, al-Zafaraneya
Assyrian (include Assyrian, Assyrian Evangelical, and Old Assyrian):
1.Virgin Mary (Mar Kura), built in 1928 -Karada Maryem
2.Mar Qaradagh, built in 1946 - Camp Gelani
3.Evangelical Assyrian, built ??, Sahat alTayaran
4.Mar Gewergis, built in 1961 - alDura
5.Mar Odishu Nokhreta, built in 1972 - Elwiya
6.Virgin Mary, built in 1970 - Neyreya and alGayara
7.Mar Marey, built in 1985 - alAmeen
8.Mar Zaya, built in ?? - alDura
9.Virgin Mary (Old Assyrian Church), built in 1988 - Hay alReyadh
Syriac (include Orthodox and Catholic)
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1.The Disciples Mar Putros and Mar Polos (Orthodox), built in 1964 - Industerial Street
2.Mar Yousif (Catholic), built in 1965 - alMansour
3.Lady of Salvation (Catholic), built in 1968 - Eastern Karada
4.Mar Maty (Orthodox), built in 1981 - Hay Sumer/Ghadeer
5.Mar Toma (Orthodox), built in 1978 - alMansour/Hay alMuhandeseen
6.Mar Behnam (Catholic), built in 1982 - Hay Sumer/alQanat
7.Mar Behnam (Orthodox), built in ?? - Hay alMechanic/alDura
Armenian (include Catholic and Orthodox) :
1.Holy Heart of Jesus (Catholic), built in 1938 - Eastern Karada
2.St. Gregor the Illluminant (Orthodox), built in 1956 - Sahat alTayran
3.St. Garabeet (Orthodox), built in 1973 - Hay alReyadh
Melkite, known commonly as "Room" (include Orthodox, Catholic and Latin):
1.Mar Anderaous (Orthodox), built in 1940's - Camp Gelani
http://www.chaldeansonline.net/church/christian.html
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Hey Kitch, even though Fold has been all over these boards today, notice that 4889 was ignored.
Bill, I think it will be a grand day for the Iraqis just to have elections. Democracy is a messy thing. It took America years to get established. Democracy as we know it was, and still is called, an experiment. They probably won't get it right at first, and maybe they'll have to play around with it for awhile. They have to overcome years of chaos and tyranny as well as tribal and religious factions. But the people seem to want it, and if they keep their eyes on the goal, they'll get there. Don't give up on them.
and you know this how?
But people seem to want it
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Yeah sure, they do. Pretty soon shiites sunnis and kurds will start fighting for their religious rights, land rights and all kindsa other crap rights. To make things worse, Iranians, Syrians and other crappy fighters from Saudi, Jordan, and whole load of other crappy holy lands will join their brothers to recreate 6th century Mecca. Â
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Democracy in that part of the world aint gonna happen for several decades..until all of these current crap religious leaders and their devotees go to heaven.Â
until all of these current crap religious leaders and their devotees go to heaven.Â
Or wherever.
The same as you don't know, crabhole.
"shut the fuck up" - Torpedo-8
heh-heh
By the way... As Grandpa-Dan posted... I agree.
Which post and what part of that post are you talking about Fold?
An unusually angry column from Jonah Goldberg:
October 08, 2004, 9:41 a.m.
Shame, Shame, Shame
Many of you just don’t care about this war.
We should have let sanctions work longer. We should have given inspections another try. The WMDs weren't there so we shouldn't have gone to war. It's a mistake. A grand diversion. The wrong war, the wrong place, at the wrong time.
Shame on all you people.
I don't mean those of you who opposed the war at the time and I don't mean those of you who think Bush bungled the job after the fact. I mean you and you and you — and most especially John Kerry and John Edwards. Shame on you both.
You voted for this war but you voted against the peace you say is so important to win merely because you decided that toppling the tyranny of Howard Dean's high poll numbers was worth paying any price, bearing any burden.
But forget all that. I just watched John Kerry preen in front of the cameras about how "good diplomacy" would have prevented the mistake he voted for. "Good diplomacy" in John Kerry's world would have let French and Russian politicians continue to line their pockets in the name of keeping Saddam in power so he could rape and murder and torture until "good diplomacy" welcomed him back into the "international community" and gave him the weapons he sought. I suppose in John Kerry's world good diplomacy lets the boys in the back of the bar finish raping the girl for fear of causing a fuss.
Okay, that was unfair. It just seems everything old is new again. Bush "lied" because he believed the same intelligence John Kerry believed. Bush "lied" even though John Edwards called the threat from Iraq "imminent" — something Bush never did. No one bothers to ask how it could be possible that Bush lied. How could he have known there were no WMDs? No one bothers to wonder why Tony Blairisn't a liar. Indeed, no one bothers to ask whether the Great Diplomat and Alliance Builder believes our oldest and truest allies Great Britain and Australia are lead by equally contemptible liars. Of course, they can't be liars — they are merely part of the coalition of the bribed. In John Kerry's world, it's a defense to say your oldest friends aren't dishonest, they're merely whores.
Oh, one more thing no one asks. How could Bush think he could pull this thing off? I mean, knowing as he did that there were no WMDs in Iraq, how could he invade the country and think no one would notice? And if he's capable of lying to send Americans to their deaths for some nebulous petro-oedipal conspiracy no intelligent person has bothered to make even credible, why on earth didn't he just plant some WMDs on the victim after the fact? If you're willing to kill Americans for a lie, surely you'd be willing to plant some anthrax to keep your job.
And speaking of the victim, if it's in fact true that Bush offered no rationale for the war other than WMDs, why shouldn't we simply let Saddam out of his cage and put him back in office? We can even use some of the extra money from the Oil-for-Food program to compensate him for the damage to his palaces and prisons. Heck, if John Edwards weren't busy, he could represent him.
I'm serious. If this whole war was such a mistake, such a colossal blunder, based on a lie and all that, not only should John Kerry show the courage to ask once again "How do you tell the last man to die for a mistake?" but he should also promise to rectify the error. And what better, or more logically consistent, way to solve the problem Bush created? Kerry insists it was wrong to topple Saddam. Well, let's make him a Weeble instead. Bush and Saddam can walk out to the podiums and explain that his good friend merely wobbled, he didn't fall down. That would end the chaos John Kerry considers so much worse than the status quo ante. And if the murderer needs help getting back in the game, maybe the Marines can cut off a few tongues and slaughter a couple thousand Shia and Kurds until Saddam's ready for the big league again. That will calm the chaos; that will erase the crime.
Yes, yes, these are all cheap shots, low blows, unfair criticisms. I know. Good and nice liberals don't want Saddam back in power. Sweet and decent Democrats shed no tears for Uday and Qusay. These folks just care about the troops who were sent to die based on a lie. I care about the troops too. But despite John Kerry's insistence that he speaks for the American Fighting Man, some of you might consider that a sizable majority of Americans in uniform will vote for Bush, according to surveys and polls. And since the Kedwards campaign continues to tell us that men who fight and serve cannot have their judgment questioned, that should mean something. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I forgot. Only fighting men who served for four months on the same boat with John Kerry are above reproach or recrimination. Even if you served in the next boat over, you're just a liar.
Damn, that was another cheap shot, another low blow — one more Dick Cheneyesque distortion. We soulless warmongers sometimes forget ourselves. I realize now that you forces of truth and light are nothing like me. If only Bush had justified this war in the high-flown language of liberty and justice he uses now, then you better angels of the American nature would have supported the toppling of Saddam.
Of course, Bush did exactly that. He spoke of the lantern of liberty lighting the Middle East long before the Iraqi Statue of Tyranny fell down in that Baghdad square. But he was lying then, of course. He only said that stuff to please those bloodlusting neocons who didn't care about Bush's vendetta to avenge his father and were too rich from their access to Zionist coffers to care about the Texas oil man's plot to capture the Iraqi oil fields and earn Halliburton the worst publicity any corporation has received in American history. Of course these neocons knew Bush was lying about democracy and WMDs alike, but they too didn't care that they would be found out. After all, that's a small price to pay for Mother Israel, where Jewish-American loyalties check in but don't check out.
Damn. Once again the gravity of Bush's villainy has pulled me off the trajectory of honest debate. I'm not making any sense. I'm not consistent in my "rationales." Indeed, John Kerry said it so eloquently when he noted that George W. Bush has offered 23 rationales for the war. Heaven forbid the International Grandmaster of Nuance contemplate that there could be more than a single reason to do something so simple as go to war. Let's not even contemplate that the ticket that says this administration hasn't "leveled" with the American people should have to grasp that sometimes leveling with the public requires offering more than one dumbed-down reason to do something very difficult and important.
Ah, I know. The problem isn't that Bush has offered more than one reason, it's that he's changed his reasons. That is the complaint of those who would otherwise support the war. Alas, that's not true, he's merely changed the emphasis. After all, what is he to do when he discovers there are no WMDs? Violate the "Pottery Barn rule" and simply leave a broken Iraq to fester? But let's imagine for a moment that he has "changed the rationale." Isn't that what Lincoln did when he changed the war to preserve the Union into the war to free the slaves? Isn't that what the Cold War liberals did when they changed a value-neutral stand-off into a twilight struggle between the human bondage and the last best hope of mankind?
Ah, but in the Cold War we never fought the Soviets, we merely leveled sanctions. Couldn't we have done the same to Iraq, since Saddam was no threat to America? I'm sure all of the people asking this asked it already of Bill Clinton when we toppled Slobodan Milosevic, a man who killed fewer people, threatened America less, and violated fewer U.N. sanctions than Saddam ever did.
I'm tired now. But the sad news is I could go on.
I'm not saying there are no good arguments against the war. I am saying that many of you don't care about the war. If Bill Clinton or Al Gore had conducted this war, you would be weeping joyously about Iraqi children going to school and women registering to vote. If this war had been successful rather than hard, John Kerry would be boasting today about how he supported it — much as he did every time it looked like the polls were moving in that direction. You may have forgotten Kerry's anti-Dean gloating when Saddam was captured, but many of us haven't. He would be saying the lack of WMDs are irrelevant and that Bush's lies were mistakes. And that's the point. I don't care if you hate George W. Bush; it's not like I love the guy. And I don't care if you opposed the war from day one. What disgusts me are those people who say toppling Saddam and fighting the terror war on their turf rather than ours is a mistake, not because these are bad ideas, but merely because your vanity cannot tolerate the notion that George W. Bush is right or that George W. Bush's rightness might cost John Kerry the election.
I get e-mails from you people every day and I see your candidate on TV every night. Shame on you all.
Awesome Muskwa
Simply awesome
Glad you liked it.
On my screen it runs off to the right and I can't read all of it. If you have the same problem, here's the URL:
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200410080941.asp
Sorry for that.
Muskwa 10/9/04 2:36pm
Thanks for the link. Excellent article IMO.
The Other Weapons Threat in Iraq
Sun Oct 10, 7:55 AM ET
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By Bob Drogin Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Insurgent networks across Iraq (news - web sites) are increasingly trying to acquire and use toxic nerve gases, blister agents and germ weapons against U.S. and coalition forces, according to a CIA (news - web sites) report. Investigators said one group recruited scientists and sought to prepare poisons over seven months before it was dismantled in June.
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U.S. officials say the threat is especially worrisome because leaders of the previously unknown group, which investigators dubbed the "Al Abud network," were based in the city of Fallouja near insurgents aligned with fugitive militant Abu Musab Zarqawi. The CIA says Zarqawi, who is blamed for numerous attacks on U.S. forces and beheadings of hostages, has long sought to use chemical and biological weapons against targets in Europe as well as Iraq.
An exhaustive report released last week by Charles A. Duelfer, the CIA's chief weapons investigator in Iraq, concluded that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) destroyed his stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s and never tried to rebuild them. But a little-noticed section of the 960-page report says the risk of a "devastating" attack with unconventional weapons has grown since the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq last year.
The Bush administration, which went to war primarily to disarm the Baghdad regime of suspected illicit stockpiles, has not previously disclosed that the insurgent groups that have emerged and steadily expanded since Hussein's ouster are trying to develop their own crude supplies of such deadly agents as mustard gas, ricin and the nerve gas tabun.
Neither of the two chemists who worked for Al Abud had ties to Hussein's long-defunct weapons programs, and Duelfer's investigators found no evidence that the group's poison project was part of a "prescribed plan by the former regime to fuel an insurgency."
For now, the leaders and financiers of the network "remain at large, and alleged chemical munitions remain unaccounted," the report says. It adds that other insurgent groups are "planning or attempting to produce or acquire" chemical and biological agents throughout Iraq, and says the availability of chemicals and munitions, as well as sympathetic former Iraqi weapons scientists, "increases the future threat."
The discoveries are separate from several attacks this year involving chemical munitions, the report says. In May and June, insurgents used old chemical-filled artillery shells, left over from Iraq's pre-1991 stocks, in three roadside bombs. Partly because of the age of the weapons, no chemical injuries were reported. In all, U.S. forces have recovered 53 decaying chemical-filled shells or artillery rockets that apparently were looted from unguarded ammunition bunkers or other sites.
Investigators from Duelfer's Iraq Survey Group learned of the Al Abud threat by chance in March when a U.S. Army patrol raided a laboratory in a Baghdad market known for chemical supply shops. They discovered an Iraqi chemist who had successfully produced small quantities of ricin, a potentially deadly toxin made from castor beans.
After the chemist was interrogated, Duelfer quickly created a special team of covert agents, analysts and weapons experts to track down the scientist's contacts and arrest other members of the Al Abud network, named for the lab where the chemist was found.
By June, Duelfer's team was able to identify and "neutralize" the group's chemists and chemical suppliers, and other members of the network. A series of raids, interrogations and detentions "disrupted key activities at Al Abud-related laboratories, safe houses, supply stores" and organizational centers, according to Duelfer's report.
"I think this is a case where we got ahead of a problem a bit," said a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the evidence.
Duelfer first revealed the network's existence in his testimony last week to the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), but he provided few details.
"I am convinced that we successfully contained a problem before it matured into a major threat," Duelfer said. "Nevertheless, it points to the problem that the dangerous expertise developed by the previous regime could be transferred to other hands. Certainly there are anti-coalition and terrorist elements seeking such capabilities."
In response to a question, he said, "We think we've got most of that particular activity not under control, but we understand it."
Duelfer said that Zarqawi "has expressed an interest in exactly this type of weapon." Duelfer's team could not determine whether the Al Abud effort was tied to Zarqawi's terrorist network or the broader insurgency in Iraq. Before the invasion, the Bush administration portrayed Zarqawi as Al Qaeda's link to Hussein's regime. Although those ties remain unclear, Zarqawi and his followers have claimed responsibility for a wave of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings. The U.S. government has placed a $25-million bounty on his head.
The Al Abud effort apparently began in December 2003, according to Duelfer's report, when Fallouja-based insurgents belonging mostly to the Jaish-e-Muhammad insurgent group recruited "an inexperienced Baghdad chemist" to help them produce tabun, mustard gas and other chemical agents. A wealthy Baghdad businessman who previously had business ties to Hussein's military and intelligence service agreed to provide financial backing.
Jaish-e-Muhammad, or Army of Muhammad, is made up largely of former members of Hussein's Baath Party, including former officers in the intelligence, security and police forces, the report says.
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The group has claimed responsibility for several attacks, including the bombing of the United Nations (news - web sites) compound in Baghdad on Aug. 19, 2003.
In interrogations, members of Jaish-e-Muhammad told Duelfer's team that they planned to use chemical-filled mortar rounds and other munitions against U.S. and other coalition forces.
Tabun, a nerve agent, can cause convulsions, paralysis or death. It is produced as a colorless, tasteless liquid and can be used as a vapor or to poison water supplies. Mustard gas, infamous since the gruesome gas attacks of World War I, is a disabling and potentially deadly blistering agent that attacks the skin, eyes and lungs.
Hussein's regime produced huge quantities of tabun and mustard gas during the 1980s, and repeatedly used them to attack Iranian troops during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran. The Iraqi gas attacks caused tens of thousands of casualties. Thousands more died when Hussein's forces used poison gas on Kurdish villages in northern Iraq.
The Baghdad chemist, who was not identified, soon helped the insurgent group acquire the pesticide malathion, which has a similar chemical structure to tabun, as well as nitrogen mustard gas precursors — or ingredients — from looted government supplies and chemical shops.
Despite numerous attempts, the scientist failed to produce tabun. But he managed to brew a poisonous compound, the report says. The insurgents filled nine mortar rounds with the mixture, but Duelfer's team determined that the rounds were useless because detonation would destroy the poison.
The group's focus shifted in late January and early February to production of mustard gas, the report says. Although the inexperienced chemist had the necessary materials, he used "incorrect amounts of the precursors and inadequate processes" and failed again in mid-March.
Frustrated at the lack of progress, the Al Abud group soon found and hired another young chemist in Baghdad who owned his own small laboratory. Unlike the first scientist, this recruit was "a profit-seeking mercenary" and not an insurgent, the report says.
The Al Abud group returned to the Baghdad market and obtained materials to produce a more potent mustard gas. Although the effort again failed, the Duelfer report says "with time and experience it is plausible" that the second chemist could have produced a workable weapon.
Success finally came in late March when the two chemists working together produced ricin cake, a substance that can be converted to ricin poison. Investigators later determined that their lab could produce only enough ricin to cause isolated casualties and "was not capable of facilitating a mass-casualty ricin attack."
They also found that the two scientists had prepared napalm, a highly flammable jellied gasoline used by U.S. troops in Vietnam, and sodium fluoride acetate, a poison. But Duelfer's group said the nascent effort was "highly unlikely" to be capable of causing mass casualties.
Despite his success in curbing the network's immediate threat, Duelfer said he was alarmed that the group had "quickly and effectively" found scientists, munitions and money to build chemical weapons. Had the group not been stopped, he said, "the consequences ... could have been devastating to coalition forces."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6214573/
"Every day you read the articles in the States where it's like, 'Oh, it's getting better and better,' " said Lance Cpl. Jonathan Snyder, 22, of Gettysburg, Pa. "But when you're here, you know it's worse every day."
Lance Cpl. Alexander Jones, 20, of Ball Ground, Ga., agreed: "We're basically proving out that the government is wrong," he said. "We're catching them in a lie."
Snyder, who was listening, added: "Pretty much I think they just diverted the war on terrorism. I agree with the Afghanistan war and all the Sept. 11 stuff, but it feels like they left the bigger war over there to come here. And now, while we're on the ground over here, it seems like we're not even close to catching frigging bin Laden."
Asked if he was concerned that the Marines would be punished for speaking out, Autin responded: "We don't give a crap. What are they going to do, send us to Iraq?"
[Edited by on Oct 10, 2004 at 08:38am.]
I don't believe that to be the opinion of the majority of soldiers.
May be may be not....who knows. The only way to test that is to ask those questions to every soldier without any fear of being harassed or removed from jobs.....something that has happened to senior officers and Generals.
Do you believe that those soldiers who express such opinions are anti-american......with the terrorists, american haters etc.....as many claim here when crticized?????
May be may be not....who knows. The only way to test that is to ask those questions to every soldier without any fear of being harassed or removed from jobs.....something that has happened to senior officers and Generals.
But they just said they don't have any fear of being harassed in your story.
Do you believe that those soldiers who express such opinions are anti-american......with the terrorists, american haters etc.....as many claim here when crticized?????
No.
I think they should have joined the peace corp instead of the military.
I think they should have joined the peace corp instead of the military.
Boy, that's a stretch from what I said.
Yes, it is a stretch.......but, stretch is what we hear all day from the other side when the repubs are criticized for Iraq war policy.....like saying anti-american and stuff like dat.
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Who exactly are you talking about?
Who has called you anti-american?
Many American patriots here and elsewhere.....sadly, all of them are repubs. Most of my repub friends say that democrats are antiamerican and with the terrrrrrrooooooooriiiiists. Go figure!
Your camels need tending, Akbar. Signed, American Patriot.
Torp, that was out of line.
Many American patriots here and elsewhere.....sadly, all of them are repubs.
I'm sorry to hear that.
I've been called anti-American myself. All by Liberals.
Go figure.
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Sorry mom.
Go figure.
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That may be true in a sense. Think about it. The repubs are taking extreme actions in the name of country and religion and their actions are destroying this country.......so then they are antiamericans, right? :)))  just kidding!
Are you an American, Abdul?
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[Edited by on Oct 10, 2004 at 07:41pm.]
The repubs are taking extreme in the name of country and religion and their actions are destroying this country
and the lies continue. i wonder if these propl realize the demoralizing effect the lie have?
Rick 10/10/04 7:41pm
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May God Bless America!!!
God Bless America, indeed, Abdul,
This country's a nuthouse.
[Edited by on Oct 11, 2004 at 05:36pm.]
Rick 10/11/04 5:34pm
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Yes, that is why we need God's blessings....which God will be kind enough to do this? Jesus's father? Allah? Krishna?
Rick 10/11/04 5:34pm
If you don't like it... Leave.
What do you do when you love it so much you can't?
[Edited by on Oct 11, 2004 at 07:21pm.]
I've had a standing offer to any America bashing liberal. A one way ticket to the Sudan, Congo or Nigeria. Your choice. No takers in 3 years. Go figure.
Hey Rick you have the right to criticize if you want......but dont take it the point where it sounds like you hate America......Not good. Regardless of some problems here, this is the best nation on this planet. That is partly because we allow people to speak their mind and in some ways make corrections over time. That never happens in other countries....well most other countries. Now, you will see Booosh out of job next year. That is the beauty of this great country.
Keep dreaming, Akbar.
"Hey Rick you have the right to criticize if you want......but dont take it the point where it sounds like you hate America......Not good. "
I think you can love your country and still think -- from time to time -- that it's a nuthouse.
Abdul Qadir - ( PFID:efa82da) - 08:45pm Oct 11, 2004 PST (# 4984 of 4986)
If someone says they speak to God every minute, please give them some change for breakfast and send them straight to a shrink.
Hey Rick you have the right to criticize if you want......but dont take it the point where it sounds like you hate America......Not good. Regardless of some problems here, this is the best nation on this planet. That is partly because we allow people to speak their mind and in some ways make corrections over time. That never happens in other countries....well most other countries. Now, you will see Booosh out of job next year. That is the beauty of this great country.
Unless you are a Republican employed by Brown College or a student of same, we are not allowed to speak about politics as it upsets the Dem's, but in my web design class the teacher can go on and on about how Bush is a war criminal. seems free speech only works if you agree with the left.
[Edited by on Oct 12, 2004 at 07:48am.]
We're only getting one side of your case, Digger.
We now have fairly compelling evidence, in the form of a Military Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and enlisted personnel), that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent). Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other analyst had expected.
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Here is another survey that maketh more sense!
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6233843/
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That is less than once a week......may be that is why suicide rate is going up. Wonder how this number would be with the repubs............may be somewhere around 24 times a year???? no wonder they are so trigger happy.
Good then LUV and ares...!
Sounds like fun!
He is my nephew, so I hope I can be there also. I bet you could easily get most of the "Cooler Crew" to show up as well. It would be fantastic if our troops could get off a plane and have a large cheering crowd waiting for them.
Survey names France world's sexiest nation
Laissize bon ton roulette et joie de virve.
I hear they're crappy fighters, though.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Oct 12, 2004 at 06:51pm.]
Yes that's much more imporant.
U.S, Military must have thought that French terminology was important.
We still have Generales, and Coloneals, and Capitiains. Troops go out on Reconnaissanceand set up Bivouacs.
Bet in War College they taught a little about Napoleon. He might not be PC now.