you keep talking about pyramid schemes...but I'll tell you what your pyramid scheme is...it's that "trickle down" voodoo that says that if you invest in the wealthy (the top of the pyramid), it will trickle down to the rest of us...and that is the Republican plan in a nutshell.
 The projected shortfall for the next 75 years is only 1.89 percent of projected payroll. At worst, the shortfall could be alleviated by a two percent tax.
Pyramid schemes always do need new sources of revenue.
you are on f***** up dude, crabs. People that have the jobs to offer are allowing people to work. They are giving them wages in return for their time and effort. It isn't the same thing as asking for an invetment with little or no chance of a return.
you keep talking about pyramid schemes...but I'll tell you what your pyramid scheme is...it's that "trickle down" voodoo that says that if you invest in the wealthy (the top of the pyramid), it will trickle down to the rest of us...and that is the Republican plan in a nutshell.
When cornered, deflect.
Anyway, that's a bit different than SS administration. That's every single economy on the planet.
and of course those retirees haven't paid into it at all, right?
They/We do pay into it, I never said they/we didn't. BUT not nearly enough to support the system.
it's a pyramid...sure it is...keep saying it and maybe it will become true.
It is true, and you're either stupid or a liar to deny it. The fact is, current contributions are paying for those already in retirment. This means that those in retirement didn't contribute enough during their working years. I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm saying it's a flawed system.Â
"At present the trust funds are running an annual surplus of more than $120 billion; by the end of 1999, we should have more than a trillion dollars in the trust funds."
There IS NO MONEY IN A TRUST FUND. The money comes in and goes out. Anything left over, Congress spends and puts in an IOU to be paid in some la-la-land future.
Congressmen received flu shots after vaccine shortage revealed
BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
New York Daily News
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Seniors around the nation are standing in long lines hoping to get flu shots, but guess who didn't have to: their congressmen.
Even though many members of the Senate and House aren't considered high-risk by standards being used to decide who gets a vaccine, Capitol physician John Eisold inoculated lawmakers after the shortage was announced Oct. 5.
"(Dr. Eisold) considers members of Congress high-risk and always has ... for the simple reason that they shake hands, they meet scores of people and carry (diseases) back to their districts," said his spokesman.
Senators, although it was not clear exactly how many, got poked in a clinic on Oct. 7 held in the office of Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., sources said.
"Some got the shot and some didn't," said a congressional source. Frist, who is a heart surgeon, was among those who got one of the scarce flu vaccinations, his office said.
Even though Eisold thinks they are at risk, elected officials aren't on the priority list issued last week by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The CDC recommended only Americans at greatest health risk of dying from the flu virus get vaccinated.
Besides those with chronic diseases or who are pregnant, the CDC on Oct. 14 said: "People 2 to 64 years of age are asked to postpone or skip getting a flu shot this year."
The average age of a senator in the 108th Congress is 59 years, according to the Congressional Research Service.
Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson tried again Tuesday to minimize the political fallout over the vaccine shortage by announcing the sole manufacturer, Aventis, will produce almost 3 million extra doses by January, for a total of 60 million available this flu season.
About 24 million doses will soon be distributed to clinics and stocks of antiviral meds will be ready to treat 40 million people stricken, he added.
Thompson turned his news conference into a stump speech for President Bush when he answered Democrat John Kerry's criticism that the administration dropped the ball.
"No president or administration has invested more in the flu than this one," Thompson said.
And in an embarrassing twist for an administration that has refused to allow the importation of pharmaceuticals from Canada, the Bush White House is now negotiating with Canada to buy some of its surplus vaccine.
Despite the administration's opposition to Canadian drug imports, this time they're ready to make an exception - U.S. officials are negotiating with Canada to acquire excess flu shot stocks, Thompson said.
During the second debate with Kerry, Bush said he hasn't OK'd drug imports because "when a drug comes in from Canada, I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you." Kerry has argued Bush is simply protecting the interests of fat cat donors in the U.S. drug industry.
I wonder how many people over the years have dropped in their tracks out of fear of being called a sissy.
I was one of them. I used to work in potato houses in the winter between semesters and Christmas break. I swung a potato fork and tossed 100-pound sacks into stacks in rail cars. Crazy-terrible work. Before I did it, a friend of mine worked for the same guy. Worked half an hour and ended up at the chiropractor.
"He was made of poor stuff," said Earl, a potato farmer.
I swore I'd die in a stack of potatoes before I'd let Earl tell people I was made of poor stuff.
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Oct 21, 2004 at 02:00pm.]
When France had that heat wave that killed so many, people pointed to it as a failure of the country's "socialist" (though it really isn't) infrastructure.
We lose people to flu, they'll just find a way to blame Bill Clinton.
Especially when you consider most of those deaths were because of the flu in combination with pre-existing conditions such as emphysema.
The death toll pales in comparison to that of the worldwide flu epidemic of 1918, which killed more than 20 million people, including 500,000 Americans.
you keep talking about pyramid schemes...but I'll tell you what your pyramid scheme is...it's that "trickle down" voodoo that says that if you invest in the wealthy (the top of the pyramid), it will trickle down to the rest of us...and that is the Republican plan in a nutshell.
 The projected shortfall for the next 75 years is only 1.89 percent of projected payroll. At worst, the shortfall could be alleviated by a two percent tax.
Pyramid schemes always do need new sources of revenue.
crabs, our economy has always been "trickle down" for every employee.
so, our entire economy is a pyramid scheme.
no. up to your dishonest ways again are we, crabs? you are the one that equated trickle down economics with a pyramid scheme
it is...invest in the top tier and it will trickle down to the base.
it's the very definition of a pyramid scheme.
it is...invest in the top tier and it will trickle down to the base.
People with the capital are the one's that have the jobs to offer. I doubt that you would want to see that end.
it's a pyramid scheme.
people with capital = top of the pyramid.
you are on f***** up dude, crabs. People that have the jobs to offer are allowing people to work. They are giving them wages in return for their time and effort. It isn't the same thing as asking for an invetment with little or no chance of a return.
you keep talking about pyramid schemes...but I'll tell you what your pyramid scheme is...it's that "trickle down" voodoo that says that if you invest in the wealthy (the top of the pyramid), it will trickle down to the rest of us...and that is the Republican plan in a nutshell.
When cornered, deflect.
Anyway, that's a bit different than SS administration. That's every single economy on the planet.
you mean like calling it a pryamid scheme?
SS is a pyramid scheme!
It's totally dependent on current contributions to pay retiree benefits.
yeah, like that.
and of course those retirees haven't paid into it at all, right? it's a pyramid...sure it is...keep saying it and maybe it will become true.
and of course those retirees haven't paid into it at all, right?
They/We do pay into it, I never said they/we didn't. BUT not nearly enough to support the system.
it's a pyramid...sure it is...keep saying it and maybe it will become true.
It is true, and you're either stupid or a liar to deny it. The fact is, current contributions are paying for those already in retirment. This means that those in retirement didn't contribute enough during their working years. I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm saying it's a flawed system.Â
AKA:Â Pyramid Scheme.
It is true, and you're either stupid or a liar to deny it.
That describes crabs perfectly.
"At present the trust funds are running an annual surplus of more than $120 billion; by the end of 1999, we should have more than a trillion dollars in the trust funds."
There IS NO MONEY IN A TRUST FUND. The money comes in and goes out. Anything left over, Congress spends and puts in an IOU to be paid in some la-la-land future.
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/politics/9964724.htm
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Congressmen received flu shots after vaccine shortage revealed
BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
New York Daily News
WASHINGTON
-
(KRT) - Seniors around the nation are standing in long lines hoping to get flu shots, but guess who didn't have to: their congressmen.
Even though many members of the Senate and House aren't considered high-risk by standards being used to decide who gets a vaccine, Capitol physician John Eisold inoculated lawmakers after the shortage was announced Oct. 5.
"(Dr. Eisold) considers members of Congress high-risk and always has ... for the simple reason that they shake hands, they meet scores of people and carry (diseases) back to their districts," said his spokesman.
Senators, although it was not clear exactly how many, got poked in a clinic on Oct. 7 held in the office of Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., sources said.
"Some got the shot and some didn't," said a congressional source. Frist, who is a heart surgeon, was among those who got one of the scarce flu vaccinations, his office said.
Even though Eisold thinks they are at risk, elected officials aren't on the priority list issued last week by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The CDC recommended only Americans at greatest health risk of dying from the flu virus get vaccinated.
Besides those with chronic diseases or who are pregnant, the CDC on Oct. 14 said: "People 2 to 64 years of age are asked to postpone or skip getting a flu shot this year."
The average age of a senator in the 108th Congress is 59 years, according to the Congressional Research Service.
Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson tried again Tuesday to minimize the political fallout over the vaccine shortage by announcing the sole manufacturer, Aventis, will produce almost 3 million extra doses by January, for a total of 60 million available this flu season.
About 24 million doses will soon be distributed to clinics and stocks of antiviral meds will be ready to treat 40 million people stricken, he added.
Thompson turned his news conference into a stump speech for President Bush when he answered Democrat John Kerry's criticism that the administration dropped the ball.
"No president or administration has invested more in the flu than this one," Thompson said.
And in an embarrassing twist for an administration that has refused to allow the importation of pharmaceuticals from Canada, the Bush White House is now negotiating with Canada to buy some of its surplus vaccine.
Despite the administration's opposition to Canadian drug imports, this time they're ready to make an exception - U.S. officials are negotiating with Canada to acquire excess flu shot stocks, Thompson said.
During the second debate with Kerry, Bush said he hasn't OK'd drug imports because "when a drug comes in from Canada, I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you." Kerry has argued Bush is simply protecting the interests of fat cat donors in the U.S. drug industry.
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hmmm shake hands???????
OH.....I almost forgot....
Pres. Bush has declined to take the flu shot.....(I think that is a major mistake).
But maybe it will safe ONE life.....
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BAD news today.....I heard on tv that the company that makes this flu shot is stating will be short again next year.
When I was a kid, we didn't have flu shots like we do now.
We've turned into a country of sissy's.
We've turned into a country of sissy's.
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Yep a pill for everything...
when you were a kid, kid's got things like polio
I wonder how many people over the years have dropped in their tracks out of fear of being called a sissy.
I was one of them. I used to work in potato houses in the winter between semesters and Christmas break. I swung a potato fork and tossed 100-pound sacks into stacks in rail cars. Crazy-terrible work. Before I did it, a friend of mine worked for the same guy. Worked half an hour and ended up at the chiropractor.
"He was made of poor stuff," said Earl, a potato farmer.
I swore I'd die in a stack of potatoes before I'd let Earl tell people I was made of poor stuff.
[Edited 3 times. Most recently by on Oct 21, 2004 at 02:00pm.]
Sounds just like fold in the military. "My back hurts".
and as usual, Fold is wrong. There are only 2 or 3 companies worldwide that manufacture flu shots.
when you were a kid, kid's got things like polio
No they didn't. I'm not that old.
Besides, were talking about the flu here.
36,000 a year
When France had that heat wave that killed so many, people pointed to it as a failure of the country's "socialist" (though it really isn't) infrastructure.
We lose people to flu, they'll just find a way to blame Bill Clinton.
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How long can one roll their eyes at that one.
and you're living proof Mr. admitted dope smoker since age 14. But that's GW's fault too i suppose?
36,000 a year
Not really that many.
Especially when you consider most of those deaths were because of the flu in combination with pre-existing conditions such as emphysema.
The death toll pales in comparison to that of the worldwide flu epidemic of 1918, which killed more than 20 million people, including 500,000 Americans.
I'm sure they feel much better about being dead now.
weirdo alert!
"shut the fuck up" - Torpedo-8
I'm sure they feel much better about being dead now.
There's a million ways to die.
The flu is but one.
It's really a non issue.
The Plague was another. I knew you guys wanted to go back to the good old days, but this is ridiculous.
[Edited by molegrass on Oct 22, 2004 at 09:17pm.]
All I'm saying is, it's not as big as a deal as you're trying to make it out to be.
All I'm saying is tell it to the people it killed.
crabgrass 10/22/04 9:51pm
Water kills more people each year than the flu.
again, tell it to the people it killed, I'm sure they will feel much better about being dead.
besides, water kills more people ever day than marijuana has killed in all of history.
what's your point?
[Edited by molegrass on Oct 22, 2004 at 10:15pm.]
crabgrass 10/22/04 10:14pm
You can't figure my point?
So sad. We'll see if others can.
water kills more people than terrorists every year, so let's call off this war, okay?
There is a war against water?
Will wonders never cease?
well, according to you it kills more people than terrorists, so we should be invading the oceans any day now, right?
So tell it to everyone who ever died from anything....crabhole logic.
"Quit talking to me crabgrass" - Torpedo-8
[Edited by molegrass on Oct 23, 2004 at 01:03pm.]
hey, crabs, help is on the way! http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/10099743.htm
I'm glad you are getting help, bodine
You need more help, bodine?
Maybe you need OA or CEA
just don't outlaw food for the rest of us, okay?
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 5, 2004 at 02:37pm.]
or maybe you need TVWA
and remember, you can't outlaw TV without outlawing FauxNews