How do you do that? Because I think a law that tells people what the can or cannot do with their own body is wrong?
I don't know. You've never elaborated. Do you smoke dope on a regular basis? Like I said, everyone I've met that is anti drug laws is a stoner.
Do you also think all the anti-abortion people give birth on a regular basis?
No, I think they abort on a regular basis.
You should get out more.
I don't hang out with stoners, other than my sister & brother in law at Christmas. I did when I was younger, but then I saw where their lives were leading and didn't want to be . Just my own person observations.
BTW, I support people right to own guns, but I have never ownd own myself nor do I have any desire to do so.
I'm on the fence on drug laws. I know that being an addict isn't good for a person, but making it a crime is much more expensive than treatment & prevention.
I don't want a government telling me what I can or cannot do with my own body. It's pretty simple really.
I see your point, but I could argue those that are stoned all the time don't know what's best for their own bodies.
Then why did you suggest it was?
Because although it's not illegal, it would nullify your right to vote.
 I know that being an addict isn't good for a person, but making it a crime is much more expensive than treatment & prevention.
If we were to leagalize drugs would create more dependence and even more costs for treatment. But then the stigma attached to it would dissipate and then serious problems would set in.
well fold, can't you see how easy it is to get addicted when it is illegal to have the drugs as in Limbaugh's case? Making them readily avialable will just make it that much easier for people to fall into that trap.
U.S. Army reservists and National Guardsmen witnessed the looting and some soldiers sent messages to commanders in Baghdad requesting help, but received no reply, they said.
"It was complete chaos. It was looting like L.A. during the Rodney King riots," one officer said.
The eyewitness accounts reported by the Times are the first provided by U.S. soldiers and bolster claims that the U.S. military had failed to safeguard the powerful explosives, the newspaper said.
Not good news. However...
The soldiers who spoke to the Times asked to remain unidentified, saying they feared retaliation from the Pentagon.
No Bodine, I don't see that at all. Having been both inAA for more(much) than 20 years now, and having been a Drug Counselor for 3 of those years in a Treatment Center... I see addiction TOTALLY different than you do, both in cause and effect, and I see options for Treatment
diferent too.
How can you be a drug counselor? I mean you nearly drive me to drink and drugs!
Illegalities are always Illegal
, to me... There is always a priceto pay for them,if you are a small-guy Especially ...and don't have lots of MONEYand LAWYERS, like Rush does...??? You know, Lawyers who are draining our health-care
coffers and should be restricted or limited in thewir ability to fight for little guys like you, and as GDubbya and Rush have oftencarried on about??? Now, he has 10 of them I bet... or MORE, working hard to get him OFF on any charges. Wanna Bet?
I think you missed my point.
Now go ahead... Call me an "Addict" or something.
Isn't that what you guys say, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic?
Torp, you are right that AA is a form of treatment, in the sense that it is an ongoing aid to the addicted. I was speaking of formal, institutional treatment programs like Hazelden. Certainly many people have been able to quit drinking with AA alone. But there is a difference in that treatment programs are short-term, intense procedures designed to get the addict to understand the problem and to provide ways of coping with it. They cost money, unlike AA, and they are considered to be medical treatment. So it isn't truly correct to say that someone in AA for X number of years has been in treatment all that time.Â
I'd also like to add that being in AA is a sign of strength, not weakness.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Nov 7, 2004 at 04:59am.]
No thanks needed, Bill. My dad was an alcoholic and through him I learned a great deal about the disease and what it takes to overcome it. I have nothing but respect for those who have struggled with it and learned to live with it, every day, a day at a time, as you said.
That's the 8th time he's referred to me as being on his ignore list. Strange to say the least.
Do i have this straight now? A disabled, alcoholic, foul mouthed, bitter, i know more than you, i've done it better than you, i was there, extreme liberal, conservative hating, dope smoking, victim, can't deal with criticisim, you can't have an opinion because you never served, refuses to get out of the 70's, Vietnam Veteran. Quite the guy.
I got an email from my buddy...he's kinda pissed at nbc and cbs....he said he can't tell me all the details about this over email...but he's upset about something (i'd guess typical press telling half the story)...
but he unit did secure the area and treat all victoms....he is first to responde to all car bombings in downtown.
Nine Minnesotans have died in operations in Iraq, according to the Associated Press database.
•Army Pfc. Edward J. Herrgott, 20, of Shakopee, was killed July 3, 2003, when a sniper shot him in the neck outside the National Museum in Baghdad.
•Army Sgt. Brian R. Hellermann, 35, formerly of Freeport, was killed Aug. 6, 2003, in an ambush in Baghdad.
•Army Staff Sgt. Dale A. Panchot, 26, of Northome, was killed Nov. 17, 2003, in an ambush on his patrol near Balad.
•Army Chief Warrant Officer Patrick Dorff, 32, of Minneapolis, died Jan. 25, 2004, when his helicopter crashed in the Tigris River while on a rescue mission.
•Marine Cpl. Tyler R. Fey, 22, of Eden Prairie, was killed in fighting April 4, 2004, in Al Anbar Province.
•Marines Pfc. Moises Langhorst, 19, of Moose Lake, was killed in hostile fire April 5, 2004, in Al Anbar Province.
•Marines Lance Cpl. Levi Angell, 20, of Cloquet, was killed April 8, 2004, in a rocket-propelled grenade attack in Al Anbar Province, west of Baghdad.
•Spc. James Holmes, 28, of North Dakota National Guard, East Grand Forks, Minn., was wounded May 3, 2004, when a roadside bomb exploded while he was on vehicle patrol. He died May 8, 2004, in Landstuhl, Germany.
•Army Cpl. Demetrius Lamont Rice, 24, of Ortonville, died July 14, 2004, in a vehicle rollover near Talafar, 45 miles from Mosul in northern Iraq.
According to the Associated Press database, 24 service members from Wisconsin have been killed in Iraq. Two of them — both Marines — were killed Monday south of Baghdad.
''I will not allow the Michael Moores of this world to take my son's death and turn it and twist it to suit their own greedy and malicious purposes,'' she told me.
''People like Moore would have you believe that we hold President Bush responsible for my son's death. Michael Moore has not spoken to me — ever. So he cannot profess to know how I feel. He is a coward who thrives on the lives of others by twisting the truth and rewriting it to suit his own agenda.
THX, there are just as many people on the other side of the issue that would say the opposite.
Probably.
Not really the point though.
She is entitled to her opinion, but I suspect her angst has jaded her opinions, just a TAD bit.
What angst? I don't see any angst in her words. She's just wants the world to know that Mike Moore is a bottom feeder. Using her son for his own means.
Yea She and He both have a right to their opinions and nobody is taking it away. She has every right to be upset with Moore for using her son nad his memory.
Remember Bill, this is a guy who compared the fucking scumbags killing our men to the minute men.
Michael Moore did more to help elect Bush than any 527 or ad campaign. Thanks Mike. Keep on talking :) Â
Yea, much better to let them gather strength in these cities. They tried the political way of ending it and now they are ending it the military way. It was worth a try to do the first.
How do you do that? Because I think a law that tells people what the can or cannot do with their own body is wrong?
I don't know. You've never elaborated. Do you smoke dope on a regular basis? Like I said, everyone I've met that is anti drug laws is a stoner.
Do you also think all the anti-abortion people give birth on a regular basis?
No, I think they abort on a regular basis.
You should get out more.
I don't hang out with stoners, other than my sister & brother in law at Christmas. I did when I was younger, but then I saw where their lives were leading and didn't want to be . Just my own person observations.
BTW, I support people right to own guns, but I have never ownd own myself nor do I have any desire to do so.
I'm on the fence on drug laws. I know that being an addict isn't good for a person, but making it a crime is much more expensive than treatment & prevention.
I don't want a government telling me what I can or cannot do with my own body. It's pretty simple really.
I see your point, but I could argue those that are stoned all the time don't know what's best for their own bodies.
Then why did you suggest it was?
Because although it's not illegal, it would nullify your right to vote.
You understand that some states passed medical marijuana reforms, right?
That's a bit different than totally unrestricted drug laws.
I would vote for medical marijuana in a heartbeat. I'd have to think about all out drug legalization.
So, you are just sort of a stoner?
Or are you just a stoner if you need chemotherapy?
Or do you just think about being a stoner?
A poor diet isn't good for a person either, but you aren't suggesting we outlaw fast food, are you?
And vegetarians could argue that people who eat red meat all the time don't know what's best for their own bodies either. Shut down the butcher shop?
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 2, 2004 at 08:52pm.]
And who are you to decide what is or isn't good for someone else?
And what about tobacco? That isn't exactly good for you. And it's far more addictive than marijuana.
Outlaw tobacco?
"I would if I was aware of it."
Tattle-tale, tattle-tale, hangin' on a wooden nail...
alcoholism is a horrible problem for many many people. Back to prohibition?
I guess only drunks are for keeping alcohol legal, right?
You didn't answer the $25,000 question.
You've never elaborated. Do you smoke dope on a regular basis? Like I said, everyone I've met that is anti drug laws is a stoner.
Tattle-tale, tattle-tale, hangin' on a wooden nail...
Yeah, go ahead and mock me. Yes, I would "tattle".
If you're drunk or high when you're voting, FU.
alcoholism is a horrible problem for many many people. Back to prohibition?
I guess only drunks are for keeping alcohol legal, right?
Sure, if that's what it takes to keep crack and heroin outlawed.
Scribe had some interesting stories to tell me about the voting today.
The Democrats are one slimey bunch.
I'll tell when I have more time.
No.
liar
JT=just sort of a stoner....heh.
 I know that being an addict isn't good for a person, but making it a crime is much more expensive than treatment & prevention.
If we were to leagalize drugs would create more dependence and even more costs for treatment. But then the stigma attached to it would dissipate and then serious problems would set in.
[Edited by on Nov 3, 2004 at 06:24am.]
There is nothing to back this up.
tell me bodine, is the reason you don't smoke marijuana because it's illegal?
if it was legal, would you start?
You're just full of sunshine.
well fold, can't you see how easy it is to get addicted when it is illegal to have the drugs as in Limbaugh's case? Making them readily avialable will just make it that much easier for people to fall into that trap.
so, it's about keeping people from getting addicted... I guess bodine wants tobacco, alcohol, sex amd TV outlawed too.
funny how these "keep government out of people's lives" conservatives want Big Brother protecting people from themselves.
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 4, 2004 at 07:46am.]
U.S. troops watched weapons-site looting
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/04/iraq.weapons.ap/index.html
U.S. Army reservists and National Guardsmen witnessed the looting and some soldiers sent messages to commanders in Baghdad requesting help, but received no reply, they said.
"It was complete chaos. It was looting like L.A. during the Rodney King riots," one officer said.
The eyewitness accounts reported by the Times are the first provided by U.S. soldiers and bolster claims that the U.S. military had failed to safeguard the powerful explosives, the newspaper said.
Not good news. However...
The soldiers who spoke to the Times asked to remain unidentified, saying they feared retaliation from the Pentagon.
No Bodine, I don't see that at all. Having been both inAA for more(much) than 20 years now, and having been a Drug Counselor for 3 of those years in a Treatment Center... I see addiction TOTALLY different than you do, both in cause and effect, and I see options for
Treatment
diferent too.
How can you be a drug counselor? I mean you nearly drive me to drink and drugs!
Illegalities are always
Illegal
, to me...
There is always a priceto pay for them,if you are a small-guy
Especially
...and don't have lots of MONEYand LAWYERS,
like Rush does...???
You know, Lawyers who are draining our health-care
coffers and should be restricted or limited in thewir ability to fight for little guys like you, and as GDubbya and Rush have oftencarried on about??? Now, he has 10 of them I bet... or MORE, working hard to get him OFF on any charges. Wanna Bet?
I think you missed my point.
Now go ahead...
Call me an "Addict" or something.
Isn't that what you guys say, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic?
"How can you be a drug counselor? I mean you nearly drive me to drink and drugs!"
That's the only thing I've laughed at in three days.
Your quite welcome. Sometimes I just get lucky!
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Have Scott Speicher's remains been found?
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=27099
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Have Scott Speicher's remains been found?
I hope so. I totally forgot about that story. I remember the initials being found in a prison.
Sad.
Well, if Fold has been in treatment for 20 years, he is an addict.
And quit making excuses.
Torp, you don't go into treatment for 20 years. Some people go into treatment, some don't. Treatment therapies can vary in time from weeks to months.
 Addiction isn't a black mark on your character. If Bill has been sober for 20 years, I say more power to him. Some people never make it at all.
I would also add that I respect anyone that sees they have a problem and then take steps to stop it. 20 years sober, I say way to go Bill!
Indeed, Wolvie. Addicted people have a corner on the denial market. The biggest, most important step in their lives is to admit the problem.
Muskwa, AA is not a form of treatment? I believe it is.
Torp, you are right that AA is a form of treatment, in the sense that it is an ongoing aid to the addicted. I was speaking of formal, institutional treatment programs like Hazelden. Certainly many people have been able to quit drinking with AA alone. But there is a difference in that treatment programs are short-term, intense procedures designed to get the addict to understand the problem and to provide ways of coping with it. They cost money, unlike AA, and they are considered to be medical treatment. So it isn't truly correct to say that someone in AA for X number of years has been in treatment all that time.Â
I'd also like to add that being in AA is a sign of strength, not weakness.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Nov 7, 2004 at 04:59am.]
No thanks needed, Bill. My dad was an alcoholic and through him I learned a great deal about the disease and what it takes to overcome it. I have nothing but respect for those who have struggled with it and learned to live with it, every day, a day at a time, as you said.
That's the 8th time he's referred to me as being on his ignore list. Strange to say the least.
Do i have this straight now? A disabled, alcoholic, foul mouthed, bitter, i know more than you, i've done it better than you, i was there, extreme liberal, conservative hating, dope smoking, victim, can't deal with criticisim, you can't have an opinion because you never served, refuses to get out of the 70's, Vietnam Veteran. Quite the guy.
After all, it doesn't take much strength to hold a glass of beer...espcially if it is your 10th in a row.
After 10 beers it can be a challenge to hold the glass.
Â
Back to the reason I'm posting here....
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/314/nation/Weapons_sleuth_Duelfer_narrowl:.shtml
I got an email from my buddy...he's kinda pissed at nbc and cbs....he said he can't tell me all the details about this over email...but he's upset about something (i'd guess typical press telling half the story)...
but he unit did secure the area and treat all victoms....he is first to responde to all car bombings in downtown.
Â
[Edited by on Nov 10, 2004 at 12:43pm.]
?????? did you start drinking again???
#5291 is rather strange.
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Nine Minnesotans have died in operations in Iraq, according to the Associated Press database.
•Army Pfc. Edward J. Herrgott, 20, of Shakopee, was killed July 3, 2003, when a sniper shot him in the neck outside the National Museum in Baghdad.
•Army Sgt. Brian R. Hellermann, 35, formerly of Freeport, was killed Aug. 6, 2003, in an ambush in Baghdad.
•Army Staff Sgt. Dale A. Panchot, 26, of Northome, was killed Nov. 17, 2003, in an ambush on his patrol near Balad.
•Army Chief Warrant Officer Patrick Dorff, 32, of Minneapolis, died Jan. 25, 2004, when his helicopter crashed in the Tigris River while on a rescue mission.
•Marine Cpl. Tyler R. Fey, 22, of Eden Prairie, was killed in fighting April 4, 2004, in Al Anbar Province.
•Marines Pfc. Moises Langhorst, 19, of Moose Lake, was killed in hostile fire April 5, 2004, in Al Anbar Province.
•Marines Lance Cpl. Levi Angell, 20, of Cloquet, was killed April 8, 2004, in a rocket-propelled grenade attack in Al Anbar Province, west of Baghdad.
•Spc. James Holmes, 28, of North Dakota National Guard, East Grand Forks, Minn., was wounded May 3, 2004, when a roadside bomb exploded while he was on vehicle patrol. He died May 8, 2004, in Landstuhl, Germany.
•Army Cpl. Demetrius Lamont Rice, 24, of Ortonville, died July 14, 2004, in a vehicle rollover near Talafar, 45 miles from Mosul in northern Iraq.
According to the Associated Press database, 24 service members from Wisconsin have been killed in Iraq. Two of them — both Marines — were killed Monday south of Baghdad.
[Edited by on Nov 11, 2004 at 08:59am.]
May their souls rest easy and may we never forget the price those men paid for what we have today.
Moore does not speak for them
http://tennessean.com/opinion/columnists/chavez/archives/04/11/61255182.shtml?Element_ID=61255182
''I will not allow the Michael Moores of this world to take my son's death and turn it and twist it to suit their own greedy and malicious purposes,'' she told me.
''People like Moore would have you believe that we hold President Bush responsible for my son's death. Michael Moore has not spoken to me — ever. So he cannot profess to know how I feel. He is a coward who thrives on the lives of others by twisting the truth and rewriting it to suit his own agenda.
[Edited by on Nov 12, 2004 at 05:10am.]
THX, there are just as many people on the other side of the issue that would say the opposite.
Probably.
Not really the point though.
She is entitled to her opinion, but I suspect her angst has jaded her opinions, just a TAD bit.
What angst? I don't see any angst in her words. She's just wants the world to know that Mike Moore is a bottom feeder. Using her son for his own means.
[Edited by on Nov 12, 2004 at 07:15am.]
Yea She and He both have a right to their opinions and nobody is taking it away. She has every right to be upset with Moore for using her son nad his memory.
Remember Bill, this is a guy who compared the fucking scumbags killing our men to the minute men.
Michael Moore did more to help elect Bush than any 527 or ad campaign. Thanks Mike. Keep on talking :) Â
Â
moore should have asked permission to use the photos.
38 Dead...and for what?
Freedom for Iraqi citizens.
Over 300,000 Iraqis in mass graves.
For what?
Yea, much better to let them gather strength in these cities. They tried the political way of ending it and now they are ending it the military way. It was worth a try to do the first.
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