I am sorry that you went to school with delinquents. What is that you did to get placed with them?
Nothing, other than living in Springfield MO. I don't appreciate the insinuation. I've never as much as received a speeding ticket.
Missourians are nice folks as nice as Minnesotans I have met and generally a bit warmer.
I can only speak for my experience at my high school in Springfield. Last year when I took my family down there I enjoyed MO. Especially Poplar Bluff and Cape Girardeau.
Phrases like "due process" and "freedom of the press" had a long established meaning in British law even before they were put into the Constitution of the United States. If we want to change the Constitution, there is a process for amending it, without having unelected judges doing the amending for us.
Anyone who doesn't understand this should not be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a roadblock to restoring Constitutional law in America.
Missouri could be cutting edge in the New American Century.
Minnesota? -- hah! Stateful of backward thinking losers. Antiquated ideas. Silly notions of the role of government in public life. Too much organized labor. Too damn cold.
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Every newspaperperson and ex-newpaperperson likes quoting this guy, The Rat imagines here that both both sides could claim, with examples, he's talking about the other side.
Truth is, Mencken seems to be just a cynical guy, neither liberal or conservative. Cynicism is probably a more common trait among reporters than is political identity; and probably something they take more pride in.
"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental--men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... [A]ll the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."  - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
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White Boys, have the Power, and Blacks do NOT live amongst them, as a General Rule. Whether you like it or not, that is the facts.
You really believe this shit don't you? When I went to our plant in Virginia, I expected much of what you speak of, but found just the opposite to be true. Not only did the 2 races live and work side by side, they also fished and hunted side by side. This is in a town that just a couple of generations ago shut down their schools because they were forced to let blacks attend them.
If it is so tough for them, why are they moving south at record rates while the northeast is seeing a decline? More than 680,000 blacks moved to the south from other regions in 1995-2000 outnumbering those who moved away by a 2-1 margin. This has been going on since 1975 and is growing. Georgia had a net increase of 130,000 blacks during this same time period. Fact is that the south is the only region to have a net increase of blacks moving in. Compare that to Minnesota which only had a net increase of 9,000 and Iowa which had a net loss. These are census bureau numbers.
I don't care if you want to deny it, as it is a fact. Just ask anyone you know who is Blackand has Been there. Theyare the experts.
Alright, let's just see what the "experts" have to say:
"A lot of people are so stuck on staying up north, but once they hear what it's like, they come down here," said the 21-year-old Baldwin, now a senior interning at the NAACP of Georgia. "It's not the way people perceive it to be. People are actually a lot nicer than they think - the whole stereotype is going away little by little."
Or this one:
"It's like what immigrants felt, when they came to Ellis Island," said Shahdaiah, 39, who came to Georgia from Shreveport, La., in 2002. "African-American professionals can actually play alongside with their white counterparts with the same pay and opportunities."
I know you do not like the south because they voted for President Bush, but so did most of the rest of the nation except for the likes of those "racist" policemen in California and those wonderful white folks in the upper east coast that the blacks are moving away from.Â
As for blacks living amongst the "white boys", how many do you know that live outside of the metro area in MN? By your set of standards, MN must also have a problem with racism then. Actually, I think that the problem is with your prejudiced mind.
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The Rat is having a Red State Christmas, back in Atlanta. Looking forward to it. I imagine I'll hear a lot of about the election. The in-laws are politically split family. One family member was ashamed to be from Georgia after seeing Zell Miller's speech at the Republican Convention.
A couple others are pretty hard right wing, so The Rat expects a good deal of gloating.
But I wonder if the South is flush from this election. Part of the regional shift in cultural influence mentioned yesterday. Lots of defenders from the conservative side. JT seems to think that Minnesota is somehow more insidiously racist than the the south. Dan seems think there's evidence of a new day dawning in the south. I think so to.
Minnesota could very well be the new Alabama in this new century. Backward and out of touch.
t seems that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist may have suddenly located his gonads. He's a doctor, so one would expect it would have happened sooner. He's warning the Democrats that any filibusters of Bush's judicial nominees will not be tolerated. It's about time. - Neal Boortz
If "mainstream" becomes the litmus test for judicial nominees, then that means continuing the trends of the past half-century toward judges who take policy decisions out of the hands of the voters and their elected representatives, and impose their own notions as the law of the land.
 "Mainstream" is not even a fixed position. The more judges get away with overstepping the boundaries between the courts' jurisdictions and the areas reserved by the Constitution for democratically elected officials, the further into those reserved areas judges go.
Maureeen Dowd quotes Bob Jones III in a letter to President Bush
'"In your re-election, God has graciously granted America - though she doesn't deserve it - a reprieve from the agenda of paganism," Mr. Jones wrote. "Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ." Way harsh.
"The Christian avengers and inquisitors, hearts hard as marble, are chasing poor 74-year-old Arlen Specter through the Capitol's marble halls, determined to flagellate him and deny him his cherished goal of taking over the Senate Judiciary Committee. "
"To think a Christian can separate their religion from their politics is insane."
So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
That's "insane?' You seem to use that word a lot.
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So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
No.
It just seems some people expect others to totally turn themselves off and ignore their religious beliefs.
That's "insane?' You seem to use that word a lot.
The extreme left is insane if you ask me.
The idea that you can separate yourself from your religion is insane.
, that there IS a clear delineation between Church and State, many times, and on this and other boards.
Only Jethro
swears there is noneand that there never HAS been.
No there is separation but it is a fantasy of the Supreme Court. The first amendment only prohibited Congress from establishing a religion. It didn't prohibit the states from doing so and some had them for a considerable time after the adoption of the Constitution. But it should be evident that when the Supreme Court banned school prayer that they did so without any Constitutional authority to do so.
So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
There is nothing inconsistent between the US Constitution and Christian beliefs.
I know what you're saying. If I were a judge, I would have to respect that abortion is currently legal.
Abortion is only legal in some states because the Supreme Court violated its oath to uphold the Constitution when it ruled that abortion was protected by the Constitution.
fold wrote: I don't think that I am a part of the "Extreme Left" either, as I don't think Rick is.
I
think you both are left wing extremists. The only difference is Rick realizes that he is an extremists and does a fairly good job at concealing it.Â
In fact, I have been steadfast in my opposition to GDubbya as a Leaderand as a President, but I have always said that he never sent in enough troops to correctly do the job in IRAQ, and now he is losing that War, as he is losing the people of that country. They want us GONE.
Well which is it fold, not enough troops in Iraq or that they should all get out?
jethro, I was referring to Powell's reputation, not his choice of sides in the election. Why does it matter? I mean anyone else that supported Bush was trashed by the left why should Powell be any different?I know it's hard, but do try to keep up. It is for you.
Mencken seems to be just a cynical guy, neither liberal or conservative
H L Mencken is what is known as a curmudgeon...not only that, he's the curmudgeon's curmudgeon.
as for his politics, he was a libertarian before they started calling themselves that.
Mencken's Creed
I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind - that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking. Â Â Â Â Â I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious. Â Â Â Â Â I believe that all government is evil, in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty... Â Â Â Â Â I believe that the evidence for immortality is no better than the evidence of witches, and deserves no more respect. Â Â Â Â Â I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech... Â Â Â Â Â I believe in the capacity of man to conquer his world, and to find out what it is made of, and how it is run. Â Â Â Â Â I believe in the reality of progress. Â Â Â Â Â I - But the whole thing, after all, may be put very simply. I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than be ignorant.
jethro, what language is it that you speak? It appears to be English, but it's obvious that a number of words do not mean the same thing to you that they do to the rest of the people who speak it.
The damage to Powell's reputation is entirely self-inflicted, and it's a pity. Of course, My Lai should have given us a clue, but I was willing to let that slide.
What did Missouri do to you? Did they give you prison time?
They're simply not nice people.
Watch "Joe Dirt", Kid Rock's character will give you an idea of the guys I went to school with.
pieter wrote: You just can't make this stuff up, folks . . .
apparently you have made something up in that twisted brain of yours.
I am sorry that you went to school with delinquents. What is that you did to get placed with them?
Nothing, other than living in Springfield MO. I don't appreciate the insinuation. I've never as much as received a speeding ticket.
Missourians are nice folks as nice as Minnesotans I have met and generally a bit warmer.
I can only speak for my experience at my high school in Springfield. Last year when I took my family down there I enjoyed MO. Especially Poplar Bluff and Cape Girardeau.
Phrases like "due process" and "freedom of the press" had a long established meaning in British law even before they were put into the Constitution of the United States. If we want to change the Constitution, there is a process for amending it, without having unelected judges doing the amending for us.
Anyone who doesn't understand this should not be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a roadblock to restoring Constitutional law in America.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20041110.shtml
Missouri could be cutting edge in the New American Century.
Minnesota? -- hah! Stateful of backward thinking losers. Antiquated ideas. Silly notions of the role of government in public life. Too much organized labor. Too damn cold.
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Too damn cold.
It's not too cold. I just gotta get you out there medallion hunting.
The Rat has plenty to do outdoors in the Winter. One of them isn't scampering around a park like a colony of ants.
And you guys couldn't find cheese on a cheese sandwich
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And you guys couldn't find cheese on a cheese sandwich
I gotta start saving these sayings of his. We could add them to Med Hunters new Medallion book.
They're almost like Ratherisms
CM:
I guess I can't expect to get paid for it
At any rate:
Every newspaperperson and ex-newpaperperson likes quoting this guy, The Rat imagines here that both both sides could claim, with examples, he's talking about the other side.
Truth is, Mencken seems to be just a cynical guy, neither liberal or conservative. Cynicism is probably a more common trait among reporters than is political identity; and probably something they take more pride in.
"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental--men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... [A]ll the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
ÂÂ
- H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
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 guess I can't expect to get paid for it
I'm so broke I can't even pay attention
Besides, I didn't see any 'C' or 'R' after the sayings ;-)
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White Boys, have the Power, and Blacks do NOT live amongst them, as a General Rule. Whether you like it or not, that is the facts.
You really believe this shit don't you? When I went to our plant in Virginia, I expected much of what you speak of, but found just the opposite to be true. Not only did the 2 races live and work side by side, they also fished and hunted side by side. This is in a town that just a couple of generations ago shut down their schools because they were forced to let blacks attend them.
If it is so tough for them, why are they moving south at record rates while the northeast is seeing a decline? More than 680,000 blacks moved to the south from other regions in 1995-2000 outnumbering those who moved away by a 2-1 margin. This has been going on since 1975 and is growing. Georgia had a net increase of 130,000 blacks during this same time period. Fact is that the south is the only region to have a net increase of blacks moving in. Compare that to Minnesota which only had a net increase of 9,000 and Iowa which had a net loss. These are census bureau numbers.
I don't care if you want to deny it, as it is a fact. Just ask anyone you know who is Blackand has Been there. Theyare the experts.
Alright, let's just see what the "experts" have to say:
Or this one:
both quotes are at http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/7148680.htm and the census info is at http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t25/tab01.pdf
I know you do not like the south because they voted for President Bush, but so did most of the rest of the nation except for the likes of those "racist" policemen in California and those wonderful white folks in the upper east coast that the blacks are moving away from.Â
As for blacks living amongst the "white boys", how many do you know that live outside of the metro area in MN? By your set of standards, MN must also have a problem with racism then. Actually, I think that the problem is with your prejudiced mind.
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Not one person here said there was no racism in the south.
There's racism everywhere.
At least down south you know who the racists are.
The Rat is having a Red State Christmas, back in Atlanta. Looking forward to it. I imagine I'll hear a lot of about the election. The in-laws are politically split family. One family member was ashamed to be from Georgia after seeing Zell Miller's speech at the Republican Convention.
A couple others are pretty hard right wing, so The Rat expects a good deal of gloating.
But I wonder if the South is flush from this election. Part of the regional shift in cultural influence mentioned yesterday. Lots of defenders from the conservative side. JT seems to think that Minnesota is somehow more insidiously racist than the the south. Dan seems think there's evidence of a new day dawning in the south. I think so to.
Minnesota could very well be the new Alabama in this new century. Backward and out of touch.
It's obvious from the last 2 elections that MN is indeed backward and out of touch.
JT seems to think that Minnesota is somehow more insidiously racist than the the south.
No, I don't. It's just different. In my opinion it's more subvert here than in the south.
I haven't spent a lot of time in the South in the past 20 years, other than visiting, so maybe my opinion is out of date.
I do know, I have a sister who's children are black. She wants to move back to MN from MO.
Sorry Man... You're right. There is noinstitutional racism in the South, anymore...Â
(Funny...)
fold, you are still living in the '60's
I prefer the racism out in the open.
There's an old riddle -- "What's a nigger?" "The 'colored gentleman' who just left the room."
That's the attitude that steams me.
t seems that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist may have suddenly located his gonads. He's a doctor, so one would expect it would have happened sooner. He's warning the Democrats that any filibusters of Bush's judicial nominees will not be tolerated. It's about time. - Neal Boortz
It's about time that
Evangelicals
were told to get OUT of the process. -
Bill Fold
They have been told that for years. I think the Evangelicals are telling their critics, so to speak, to go to hell.
If "mainstream" becomes the litmus test for judicial nominees, then that means continuing the trends of the past half-century toward judges who take policy decisions out of the hands of the voters and their elected representatives, and impose their own notions as the law of the land.
 "Mainstream" is not even a fixed position. The more judges get away with overstepping the boundaries between the courts' jurisdictions and the areas reserved by the Constitution for democratically elected officials, the further into those reserved areas judges go.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20041111.shtml
I don't believe the Republicans filibustered Clinton's judicial nominees. It took Democrats to do that.
Bill Fold, Where were your complaints about Church involvement in politics a month ago?
Infallible ad infinitum?
Maureeen Dowd quotes Bob Jones III in a letter to President Bush
'"In your re-election, God has graciously granted America - though she doesn't deserve it - a reprieve from the agenda of paganism," Mr. Jones wrote. "Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ." Way harsh.
"The Christian avengers and inquisitors, hearts hard as marble, are chasing poor 74-year-old Arlen Specter through the Capitol's marble halls, determined to flagellate him and deny him his cherished goal of taking over the Senate Judiciary Committee. "
Progressive, single dudes have welcoming place to wait out regime change
"Now that George W. Bush has been officially elected, single, sexy, American liberals - already a threatened species - will be desperate to escape.
"These lonely, afraid (did we mention really hot?) progressives will need a safe haven."
What I want:
Someone to save the trees with me. A boy named Chad, Conner, or Mackenzie.
Bill Fold, I have no problem with Christian involvement in politics. It's no different that Moveon.org.
To think a Christian can separate their religion from their politics is insane.
Rick, Post # 7397 is funny as hell.
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"To think a Christian can separate their religion from their politics is insane."
So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
That's "insane?' You seem to use that word a lot.
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So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
No.
It just seems some people expect others to totally turn themselves off and ignore their religious beliefs.
That's "insane?' You seem to use that word a lot.
The extreme left is insane if you ask me.
The idea that you can separate yourself from your religion is insane.
I think people have enough discipline to address an issue on its merits and set aside personal feelings. It's done all the time.
I don't think it's insane at all. In some instances, it might be very sane.
I know what you're saying. If I were a judge, I would have to respect that abortion is currently legal.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
I just read a post from you that said we need to get out, now I read we need more troops.
I don't get it.
'Bill - Fold' "The war in Iraq" 11/15/04 5:12am
It is WAY past time to get out.
'Bill - Fold' 11/15/04 5:23am
but I have always said that he never sent in enough troops to correctly do the job in IRAQ
I stand corrected. Kind of, but not really.
OH, and Colin Powell just announced that he was resigning...as I predicted he would
LOL
You said last May he was quitting. Then you said he'd quit before the election.
Everyone saw this coming.
It IS way past time, to get OUT.
Well, that ain't gonna happen.
Thing is, you said he was quitting last May.
Then you said he was going to quit before the election.
I suppose one of your predictions was bound to come true sooner or later.
And by the way... I have said
many times
, that there IS a clear delineation between Church and State, many times, and on this and other boards.
Only
Jethro
swears there is noneand that there never HAS been.
No there is separation but it is a fantasy of the Supreme Court. The first amendment only prohibited Congress from establishing a religion. It didn't prohibit the states from doing so and some had them for a considerable time after the adoption of the Constitution. But it should be evident that when the Supreme Court banned school prayer that they did so without any Constitutional authority to do so.
So its unreasonable, nay, crazy to ask them to pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States in their elected office? That may not be consistent with Christian belief at all times.
There is nothing inconsistent between the US Constitution and Christian beliefs.
I know what you're saying. If I were a judge, I would have to respect that abortion is currently legal.
Abortion is only legal in some states because the Supreme Court violated its oath to uphold the Constitution when it ruled that abortion was protected by the Constitution.
Absolutely nothing?
fold wrote: I don't think that I am a part of the "Extreme Left" either, as I don't think Rick is.
I
think you both are left wing extremists. The only difference is Rick realizes that he is an extremists and does a fairly good job at concealing it.Â
In fact, I have been steadfast in my opposition to GDubbya as a Leaderand as a President, but I have always said that he never sent in enough troops to correctly do the job in IRAQ, and now he is losing that War, as he is losing the people of that country. They want us GONE.
Well which is it fold, not enough troops in Iraq or that they should all get out?
Absolutely nothing?
It's a pity that Powell couldn't have resigned in time to save his reputation.
What do you mean Pieter?
Didn't Bush win the election?
What does Bush winning the election have to do with Colin Powell's reputation?
What does Bush winning the election have to do with Colin Powell's reputation?
jethro, I was referring to Powell's reputation, not his choice of sides in the election. I know it's hard, but do try to keep up.
jethro, I was referring to Powell's reputation, not his choice of sides in the election. Why does it matter? I mean anyone else that supported Bush was trashed by the left why should Powell be any different?I know it's hard, but do try to keep up. It is for you.
H L Mencken is what is known as a curmudgeon...not only that, he's the curmudgeon's curmudgeon.
as for his politics, he was a libertarian before they started calling themselves that.
Mencken's Creed
I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind - that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking.
     I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious.
     I believe that all government is evil, in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty...
     I believe that the evidence for immortality is no better than the evidence of witches, and deserves no more respect.
     I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech...
     I believe in the capacity of man to conquer his world, and to find out what it is made of, and how it is run.
     I believe in the reality of progress.
     I - But the whole thing, after all, may be put very simply. I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than be ignorant.
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 15, 2004 at 03:01pm.]
jethro, what language is it that you speak? It appears to be English, but it's obvious that a number of words do not mean the same thing to you that they do to the rest of the people who speak it.
The damage to Powell's reputation is entirely self-inflicted, and it's a pity. Of course, My Lai should have given us a clue, but I was willing to let that slide.
What does Bush winning the election have to do with Colin Powell's reputation?
I don't know.
What are you trying to say?
What is wrong with Powells reputation?
nothing