I wonder why atheists and others insist on mocking and ridiculing Christianity and Christians? Why are they so threatened by it and them? Inferiority I suppose or guilt that they have failed to live up to the standards. I guess they don't realize that Christ can forgive them for their sins. Oh well, it is their choice.
Here are the morals that the right wing voted for:
>AN executive jet is being used by the American intelligence agencies to fly terrorist suspects to countries that routinely use torture in their prisons.
>The movements of the Gulfstream 5 leased by agents from the United States defence department and the CIA are detailed in confidential logs obtained by The Sunday Times which cover more than 300 flights.
>Witnesses described seeing the prisoners handed to US agents whose faces were masked by hoods. The clothes of the handcuffed prisoners were cut off and they were dressed in nappies covered by orange overalls before being forcibly given sedatives by suppository.
I wonder if evangelicals will see the obvious connection to Revelations in this story?
As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations -- including seeds the Iraqis themselves developed over hundreds of years. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve.
Now, am I mistaken, or isn't there a reference to this kind of thing in Revelations? The evangelicals aren't the ones special to God in the Revelations myth. Rather, they are the deluded followers of Satan.
Check out the above post. It's a direct reference to Revelations 6:6
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying "A quart of wheat for a day's wages and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine.
The US-puppet Iraqi government has passed a law making it ILLEGAL for Iraqi farmers to save their own seeds. They will be forced, under Iraqi law, to buy seed from US corporations each year.
No. Trying to dominate the supply of food all over the world is satanic. The above scripture I quoted refers to the power of the Antichrist, in the Last Days, to dictate the price of food all over the world.
I'm not a Christian. But I have studied well the Christian scripture. My aim is to show Christians that the man they adore as one of theirs bears more resemblance to the Antichrist who deceives the masses.
Note the following, which is from a well documented story. I provided the link for this story in my last post:
In 2002, FAO estimated that 97 percent of Iraqi farmers used saved seed from their own stocks from last year's harvest or purchased from local markets. When the new law - on plant variety protection (PVP) - is put into effect, seed saving will be illegal and the market will only offer proprietary "PVP-protected" planting material "invented" by transnational agribusiness corporations. The new law totally ignores all the contributions Iraqi farmers have made to development of important crops like wheat, barley, date and pulses. Its consequences are the loss of farmers' freedoms and a grave threat to food sovereignty in Iraq. In this way, the US has declared a new war against the Iraqi farmer.
It means that the transnational corporations (like Monsanto) will gain a monopoly over food production in Iraq that they could never get away with in a country with a democratic society. Can you imagine a law being passed in the US that makes it a crime to save your seeds for next year? Satanic? Yes, it's satanic. It's dictatorial on a Biblical scale.
Iraq is under the control of George Bush and his corporate cronies. It says a lot that the puppet regime that has been set up by Bush has passed a law that is just the kind of law that would be imposed by the Antichrist if he were scheming to control the whole world. The Christian scripture SAYS that the Antichrist will impose such control over the food supply.
The people who believe in that scripture ought to reconsider whether they can, in good faith, continue to believe the scripture while supporting George Bush. Those two things contradict, apparently.
"GRAIN is an international non-governmental organisation (NGO) which promotes the sustainable management and use of agricultural biodiversity based on people's control over genetic resources and local knowledge.
"GRAIN was established at the beginning of the 1990s to launch a decade of popular action against one of the most pervasive threats to world food security: genetic erosion."
Another is the Coalition Provisional Authority. The directives decreed by Bremer, the former US dictator of Iraq, include the directive concerning the seeds.
I'm quoting the Book of Revelations to make a sharp point to those who claim to be Christians, not because I believe the Book of Revelations.
Satan is an archetype of human evil. I think the fact that the Bush Administration's appointed dictator of Iraq issued a decree making it a crime for people to save seeds for planting so that they will be forced to buy from a corporate monopoly is evil. It's evil at the archetypal level.
Grain is not just a "Food Politics" website. You omitted the information that shows they are an international organization that conducts research. You omitted that they have been around for 14 years.
If it's too scary for you to admit that Bush is an Antichrist-level threat, then admit it. Hopefully, you don't help the enemy of mankind by dismissing legitimate criticism of him. It's all we have left, and we may not have that much longer.
As I write this, Bush is overseeing a purge of the CIA and State Dept so that they won't have any more embarassing lapses in the propaganda where people tell the truth according to an objective analysis of the facts.
I might add that Bush is appointing Ashcroft's replacement: Alberto Gonzales, the guy who wrote the legal argument on authorizing torture of prisoners who haven't been charged with a crime, and circumventing US and international law, including the Geneva Convention. These are the same kind of legal precedents that the Nazis pioneered when they were laying the foundation for the extermination of six million Jews.
The concentration camps are in operation. The torture is taking place. The precedents for imprisoning people based solely on the president's discretion are being aggressively pursued in court. When Bush loses in court (As he did before the Supreme Court), he defies the court and does what he wants to do anyway. People are being imprisoned in dog kennels for years without even being charged.
>Back when Bush declared major combat officially over in Iraq, you might recall, the focus was on uranium stored at Tuwaitha, which could be used in the manufacture of "dirty bombs."Today, however, the concern is over full-blown nukes. "Equipment which could be used in an illicit nuclear bomb program has disappeared from previously monitored sites in Iraq," the Guardianexplained, referring to the machinery that was dismantled and carted away.
The nuclear materials which were under wraps and monitered by the UN before the war are now loose in the world, and Bush let that happen. He had oil wells to protect. The SATANIST is helping bring us another holocaust.
>The Roots of Torture The road to Abu Ghraib began after 9/11, when Washington wrote new rules to fight a new kind of war. A NEWSWEEK investigation  Read this article. It's been widely verified. They have concentration camps. They are torturing people: people who haven't been accused of a crime before a court.  That's what the Nazis did. When the Nazis wanted to save money, they decided to just kill people instead of bearing the cost of imprisoning them. Six million people killed.  The nuke story I posted is verified and documented.  My conclusion is that Bush's policies reveal an agenda that I can only describe as satanic. I don't know how people can conclude that these policies are good or spiritual.  Bush invaded Iraq claiming that he needed to do that in order to prevent WMDs, including nukes, from falling into the hands of terrorists. Yet, after invading Iraq, he takes steps that HELP terrorists acquire WMDs, including nukes.  Bizarre behavior at the very least. Intolerably and dangerously incompetent at best. But if I take his supporters at their word and believe that he is a strong, decisive and competent leader, then I can only conclude that his agenda is satanic.
May God give us an unworldly love for spiritual conflict. May God give us deep persistence and commitment so that no matter what demons we face, we will not be deterred from His high and lofty call. Oh, that there would be a people who embrace the struggle for that which is grand instead of looking for a place of ease inside the Christian Disneyland.
"Bush-Cheney 04 won 97 of the fastest growing 100 counties in America, a domination of the exurbs that should chill every Democrat for whom the MoveOn.org KoolAid has worn off. (Hewitt missed the irony of the Jim Jones metaphor). Dems can barely imagine operating in these areas much less winning them because they are defined by church-goers and married parents with children, two demographic groups that view the Democratic Party as not just different, but as an enemy of much of what they value,."
Chilling, indeed.
[Edited 5 times. Most recently by on Nov 23, 2004 at 05:29am.]
"Dems can barely imagine operating in these areas much less winning them because they are defined by church-goers and married parents with children, two demographic groups that view the Democratic Party as not just different, but as an enemy of much of what they value,."
Blind unthinking devotion is what leads jethro to state that all Republicans are good and all Democrats are bad. I know, he didn't say it in exactly those words, but it permeates his posts.
by responding
Misguided as usual, pieter, I don't use those words because that is not what I believe.
And yet here jethro bodine 11/23/04 7:14amhe agrees with the statement that the Democratic Party is not just different but an enemy of what Christians value.
I thought that the religion you claim to be an adherent of places a high priority on truth, jethro. By your example, the real principle is that the end justifies the means.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Nov 23, 2004 at 08:58am.]
But Jethro, you are not ignoring AQ. atleast you don't think of him as an idiot.
Really? Then why do I see this?
I wonder why atheists and others insist on mocking and ridiculing Christianity and Christians? Why are they so threatened by it and them? Inferiority I suppose or guilt that they have failed to live up to the standards. I guess they don't realize that Christ can forgive them for their sins. Oh well, it is their choice.
jethro bodine 11/10/04 2:09pm
That was three posts too late. No point ignoring after the fact :)
That was three posts too late. No point ignoring after the fact :)
now this looks interesting: http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=5201&schedID=311
more info:
http://www.gnpcb.org/product/1581344589
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http://www.awayofthinking.com/total_truth.html
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[Edited by on Nov 12, 2004 at 11:17am.]
are you trying to say I'm a genius?
Whoooooooooooosh! Right over your head, as usual.
man, Torpid is really dense
Bush's ongoing program of torture
Here are the morals that the right wing voted for:
>AN executive jet is being used by the American intelligence agencies to fly terrorist suspects to countries that routinely use torture in their prisons.
>The movements of the Gulfstream 5 leased by agents from the United States defence department and the CIA are detailed in confidential logs obtained by The Sunday Times which cover more than 300 flights.
>Witnesses described seeing the prisoners handed to US agents whose faces were masked by hoods. The clothes of the handcuffed prisoners were cut off and they were dressed in nappies covered by orange overalls before being forcibly given sedatives by suppository.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1357699,00.html
Makes you think of something Jesus would do to people, doesn't it?
Doesn't Jesus advocate torturing people in the New Testament? Must be in there somewhere. His relationship with Jesus changed Bush's heart.
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There must be some kind of religious significance to shoving sedative suppositories up the asses of prisoners.
After all, Bush is one of the evangelicals and he says thart he brings his faith into the decisions that he makes.
Interesting choice don't you think?
By FORCIBLY administering sedatives with suppositories, they choose a method of delivery that allows them to RAPE the prisoners.
I guess that's the way an evangelical thinks people who haven't been accused of a crime ought to be treated.
[Edited by on Nov 14, 2004 at 07:47pm.]
I wonder if evangelicals will see the obvious connection to Revelations in this story?
As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations -- including seeds the Iraqis themselves developed over hundreds of years. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve.
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/iraq_seeds.htm
Now, am I mistaken, or isn't there a reference to this kind of thing in Revelations? The evangelicals aren't the ones special to God in the Revelations myth. Rather, they are the deluded followers of Satan.
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Spritual beliefs are something that are only used by the Right, to condemn those of us on the Left. WE are the Devils, after all.
Really?
Wasn't it just last week that Hillary said "Jesus is a Democrat"?
It's something I've heard many times from people on the Left.
LOL
You don't even see your contradictions.
You're in rare form today, Bill Fold.
Spiritual beliefs are something that are only used by the Right, to condemn those of us on the
Left
. wrong again.
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WE
are the Devils, after all.
you give liberals to much credit. liberals are only minions of the the devil!
Taraka Das 11/14/04 8:32pm
Check out the above post. It's a direct reference to Revelations 6:6
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying "A quart of wheat for a day's wages and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine.
The US-puppet Iraqi government has passed a law making it ILLEGAL for Iraqi farmers to save their own seeds. They will be forced, under Iraqi law, to buy seed from US corporations each year.
Satanic. No other word for it.
this from someone who calls those who don't believe the same thing he believes "minions of Satan"
the deal is, Christianity itself mocks, ridicules and threatens all whom don't believe it. It's built into the religion itself.
Buying seeds is now satanic?
Taraka Das Kook.
Forcing people to buy seeds from non-native companies, when they have always supplied their own from their crops may not be Satanic, but's it's evil.
It's a simple concept, really.
Forcing people to buy seeds from non-native companies, when they have always supplied their own from their crops may not be Satanic, but's it's evil.
I agree.
I'd like to hear the reasoning behind it. On the surface it seems merely as a way to enrich US agricultural companies.
You mean there's another side to one of Das's "stories"?
"On the surface it seems merely as a way to enrich US agricultural companies."
On the surface. I'd look beyond vegsource.com.
[Edited by on Nov 15, 2004 at 06:00pm.]
On the surface. I'd look beyond vegsource.com.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
good for you. have a cookie.
Torpedo-8 11/15/04 4:00pm
No. Trying to dominate the supply of food all over the world is satanic. The above scripture I quoted refers to the power of the Antichrist, in the Last Days, to dictate the price of food all over the world.
I'm not a Christian. But I have studied well the Christian scripture. My aim is to show Christians that the man they adore as one of theirs bears more resemblance to the Antichrist who deceives the masses.
Note the following, which is from a well documented story. I provided the link for this story in my last post:
It means that the transnational corporations (like Monsanto) will gain a monopoly over food production in Iraq that they could never get away with in a country with a democratic society. Can you imagine a law being passed in the US that makes it a crime to save your seeds for next year? Satanic? Yes, it's satanic. It's dictatorial on a Biblical scale.
Iraq is under the control of George Bush and his corporate cronies. It says a lot that the puppet regime that has been set up by Bush has passed a law that is just the kind of law that would be imposed by the Antichrist if he were scheming to control the whole world. The Christian scripture SAYS that the Antichrist will impose such control over the food supply.
The people who believe in that scripture ought to reconsider whether they can, in good faith, continue to believe the scripture while supporting George Bush. Those two things contradict, apparently.
The Rat 11/15/04 6:00pm
Please DO look beyond vegsource.com
They give the sources on the page I linked:
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/iraq_seeds.htm
I found and read your source....
"GRAIN is an international non-governmental organisation (NGO) which promotes the sustainable management and use of agricultural biodiversity based on people's control over genetic resources and local knowledge.
"GRAIN was established at the beginning of the 1990s to launch a decade of popular action against one of the most pervasive threats to world food security: genetic erosion."
It looks like one of the Poltics of Food sites.
And you're quoting the Book of Revelation.
Flake City, Tarakas.
http://www.grain.org/about/
Here is one of the sources of the seed story.
Another is the Coalition Provisional Authority. The directives decreed by Bremer, the former US dictator of Iraq, include the directive concerning the seeds.
This is clearly the satanic agenda of Bush.
Yes, clear as day.
hey Rat, Taraka is one of your allies! hah!
The Rat 11/16/04 9:17pm
I'm quoting the Book of Revelations to make a sharp point to those who claim to be Christians, not because I believe the Book of Revelations.
Satan is an archetype of human evil. I think the fact that the Bush Administration's appointed dictator of Iraq issued a decree making it a crime for people to save seeds for planting so that they will be forced to buy from a corporate monopoly is evil. It's evil at the archetypal level.
Grain is not just a "Food Politics" website. You omitted the information that shows they are an international organization that conducts research. You omitted that they have been around for 14 years.
If it's too scary for you to admit that Bush is an Antichrist-level threat, then admit it. Hopefully, you don't help the enemy of mankind by dismissing legitimate criticism of him. It's all we have left, and we may not have that much longer.
As I write this, Bush is overseeing a purge of the CIA and State Dept so that they won't have any more embarassing lapses in the propaganda where people tell the truth according to an objective analysis of the facts.
I might add that Bush is appointing Ashcroft's replacement: Alberto Gonzales, the guy who wrote the legal argument on authorizing torture of prisoners who haven't been charged with a crime, and circumventing US and international law, including the Geneva Convention. These are the same kind of legal precedents that the Nazis pioneered when they were laying the foundation for the extermination of six million Jews.
The concentration camps are in operation. The torture is taking place. The precedents for imprisoning people based solely on the president's discretion are being aggressively pursued in court. When Bush loses in court (As he did before the Supreme Court), he defies the court and does what he wants to do anyway. People are being imprisoned in dog kennels for years without even being charged.
Satanic? Yes, satanic.
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[Edited by on Nov 17, 2004 at 10:48am.]
Bush is pretending to go after the people who would use a nuke against an American city, but his policies are making that more likely. Again: SATANIC.
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/10/far04035.html
>Back when Bush declared major combat officially over in Iraq, you might recall, the focus was on uranium stored at Tuwaitha, which could be used in the manufacture of "dirty bombs."Today, however, the concern is over full-blown nukes. "Equipment which could be used in an illicit nuclear bomb program has disappeared from previously monitored sites in Iraq," the Guardianexplained, referring to the machinery that was dismantled and carted away.
The nuclear materials which were under wraps and monitered by the UN before the war are now loose in the world, and Bush let that happen. He had oil wells to protect. The SATANIST is helping bring us another holocaust.
seek help, taraka. you are in desperate need of it.
taraka das kook, X2.
Perhaps you find the reality too frightening to acknowledge, so you nervously dismiss me as a kook.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989481/
>The Roots of Torture
The road to Abu Ghraib began after 9/11, when Washington wrote new rules to fight a new kind of war. A NEWSWEEK investigation
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Read this article. It's been widely verified. They have concentration camps. They are torturing people: people who haven't been accused of a crime before a court.
Â
That's what the Nazis did. When the Nazis wanted to save money, they decided to just kill people instead of bearing the cost of imprisoning them. Six million people killed.
Â
The nuke story I posted is verified and documented.
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My conclusion is that Bush's policies reveal an agenda that I can only describe as satanic. I don't know how people can conclude that these policies are good or spiritual.
Â
Bush invaded Iraq claiming that he needed to do that in order to prevent WMDs, including nukes, from falling into the hands of terrorists. Yet, after invading Iraq, he takes steps that HELP terrorists acquire WMDs, including nukes.
Â
Bizarre behavior at the very least. Intolerably and dangerously incompetent at best. But if I take his supporters at their word and believe that he is a strong, decisive and competent leader, then I can only conclude that his agenda is satanic.
 I can only conclude that his agenda is satanic.
May God give us an unworldly love for spiritual conflict. May God give us deep persistence and commitment so that no matter what demons we face, we will not be deterred from His high and lofty call. Oh, that there would be a people who embrace the struggle for that which is grand instead of looking for a place of ease inside the Christian Disneyland.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/dg20041120.shtml
Hugh Hewitt, Bush's biggest sychophant said this about my party, after attending one of those exurb omnichurches, this one in Louisville
"Bush-Cheney 04 won 97 of the fastest growing 100 counties in America, a domination of the exurbs that should chill every Democrat for whom the MoveOn.org KoolAid has worn off. (Hewitt missed the irony of the Jim Jones metaphor). Dems can barely imagine operating in these areas much less winning them because they are defined by church-goers and married parents with children, two demographic groups that view the Democratic Party as not just different, but as an enemy of much of what they value,."
Chilling, indeed.
[Edited 5 times. Most recently by on Nov 23, 2004 at 05:29am.]
For once I looked, and I have to Thank You Jethro, for showing me what a truly ignorant and Condescending-Christian, you truly are.
I see you didn't get it. I didn't expect that you would.
"Dems can barely imagine operating in these areas much less winning them because they are defined by church-goers and married parents with children, two demographic groups that view the Democratic Party as not just different, but as an enemy of much of what they value,."
And it is.
Why don't you explain it then...?Â
The point was that people need to work for good. You got caught up in the style and missed the point. You do that a lot.
"And it is."
That's a lie. I'm an enemy of no American. I think it's foul to even imply it.
[Edited by on Nov 23, 2004 at 08:13am.]
That's a lie. I'm an enemy of no American. I think it's foul to even imply it.
More lies. It's all right to hold an opinion, But don't state it as fact.
[Edited by on Nov 23, 2004 at 08:23am.]
The views of your party are at minimum detrimental to America and a large number of people know it.
as are those of yours, imho.
More lies. It's all right to hold an opinion, But don't state it as fact.
The views of your party are at minimum detrimental to America and a large number of people know it.
ares: as are those of yours, imho.
No worries here. You are usually wrong.
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Change one word in that sentence and you wouldn't doubt me if I told you it came out of the mouth of Arafat or bin Laden.
Over in General Politics, jethro responded to my post
by responding
Misguided as usual, pieter, I don't use those words because that is not what I believe.
And yet here jethro bodine 11/23/04 7:14amhe agrees with the statement that the Democratic Party is not just different but an enemy of what Christians value.
I thought that the religion you claim to be an adherent of places a high priority on truth, jethro. By your example, the real principle is that the end justifies the means.
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Nov 23, 2004 at 08:58am.]
what's your point? so are you.
assuming the end is that his truth is imposed on everyone, then yes, your statement is correct.